WWI Digest 763

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) Re: the bridge back
	by mgoodwin@ricochet.net
  2) Re: Strut Stock
	by Bob Pearson <bpearson@kaien.com>
  3) Re: Aurora smell
	by mgoodwin@ricochet.net
  4) Re: Strut Stock
	by Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton <Aidrian.BS@ConnectorSystems.co.nz>
  5) curing AOL and bad monitor blues
	by KarrArt@aol.com
  6) Re: Strut StockBAMBOO
	by KarrArt@aol.com
  7) Re: Strut Stock
	by "Sandy Adam" <cbbs@almac.co.uk>
  8) Re: Hansa Brandenburg D.I
	by "Paul Schwartzkopf" <pauls@transcrypt.com>
  9) Re: Aurora smell
	by Joey Valenciano <joeyval@philonline.com.ph>
 10) Re: the bridge back
	by Joey Valenciano <joeyval@philonline.com.ph>
 11) Re: Strut Stock
	by Joey Valenciano <joeyval@philonline.com.ph>
 12) Re: Aurora smell
	by "Sandy Adam" <cbbs@almac.co.uk>
 13) Re: the bridge back
	by mgoodwin@ricochet.net
 14) Re: the bridge back
	by "Paul Schwartzkopf" <pauls@transcrypt.com>
 15) Re: Roland CII part 1
	by REwing@aol.com
 16) Re:  C&C USA CD
	by Charles Hart <hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU>
 17) Re: Matlan news re WWI
	by ModelerAl@aol.com
 18) Re: Bleriot XI
	by Alberto Rada <rada@true.NET>
 19) Re: Roland CII part 1
	by Steve Borland <ccc4291@vip.cybercity.dk>
 20) Re: Strut Stock
	by Steve Borland <ccc4291@vip.cybercity.dk>
 21) What do whales look like on the inside? better ask Jonas....
	by Pedro Nuno Soares <pnsoares@mail.telepac.pt>
 22) FMP New Titles
	by BStett3770@aol.com
 23) Re: What do whales look like on the inside? better ask Jonas....
	by John & Allison Cyganowski <Janah@worldnet.att.net>
 24) Re: C&C USA CD
	by Bob Pearson <bpearson@kaien.com>
 25) Re: Aurora smell
	by "John Glaser" <JohnGlaser@worldnet.att.net>
 26) Re:  Re: Roland CII part 1
	by JimAlley@aol.com
 27) Re: What do whales look like on the inside? better ask Jonas....
	by Geoff Smith <GeoffSmith@compuserve.com>
 28) RE: What do whales look like on the inside? better ask Jonas....
	by Shane Weier <SDW@qld.mim.com.au>
 29) RE: What do whales look like on the inside? better ask Jonas....
	by Shane Weier <SDW@qld.mim.com.au>

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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 22:46:54 -0800
From: mgoodwin@ricochet.net
To: wwi
Subject: Re: the bridge back
Message-ID: <346BF3DE.67EB@ricochet.net>

KarrArt@aol.com wrote:

(I also usually see plenty of Gothas)

Well, don't pass the next one by. If it's a Gotha, Breguet or the rare
Halberstadt Cl.II for $40 or less, pick it up and I'll be eternally
grateful. Those birds are scarce in my neck 'o the woods.

Cheers,

Riordan

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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 23:01:00 -0800
From: Bob Pearson <bpearson@kaien.com>
To: WW1 Mailing list <wwi>
Subject: Re: Strut Stock
Message-ID: <07010022606514@KAIEN.COM>


John,

On my scratchbuilds I just cut a thin strip off 10 or 20 thou sheets of
styrene and shave them to oval sections and then cut to length.

Bob

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> From: mgoodwin@ricochet.net
> To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
> Subject: Re: Strut Stock
> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 01:52:27 -0500
> 
> John & Allison Cyganowski wrote:
> > 
> > I am looking for a source of ridgid plastic strut stock.  Contrail,
while nicly shaped
> > is like working with linguine.  Strutz is also nice, but I dont like to
bend it and
> > soldering it together is for the birds.  Wood is for toothpicks. Anybody
have any
> > sources.
> > 
> > John
> 
> John,
> 
> You have touched on one of the ultimate quests of modeling biplanes:
> scale struts that are strong enough to hold up and hold together a
> model. With my K&B Breguet, I've resorted to brass wire for replacing
> the undercarriage and I may try a little blacksmithing. I think brass
> wire faired with .05 thou strip 'envelopes' may be a solution. Other
> people have successfully used paper clips and all manner of eccentric
> contrivances. Perhaps thin sprue could be heated up and pressed into
> oval section & sanded into shape. Probably a hairbrained idea, but
> that's the best I can do. Someone on the list must have tried this
> already.
> Odd that Contrail didn't use proper styrene.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Riordan


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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 22:51:18 -0800
From: mgoodwin@ricochet.net
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Aurora smell
Message-ID: <346BF4E6.438C@ricochet.net>

the Aurora pioneers desrve credit for launching the WW
> I bug in many of us.

For us youngsters it was Airfix and Revell. 

Cheers,

Riordan

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 21:01:45 -0800
From: Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton <Aidrian.BS@ConnectorSystems.co.nz>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Strut Stock
Message-ID: <346D2CB9.6D11@ConnectorSystems.co.nz>

John & Allison Cyganowski wrote:
> 
 Wood is for toothpicks. Anybody have any
> sources.
John

Heathen, go and wash your mouth out!!!!!:-) 

Plastic is for making fake wood out of.

Seriously though, heed the words of the prophets of bamboo for such
things -you can do all sorts of improbable things with it.  Not all of
them are improper.

Aidrian
IDFVMLBMS

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 03:19:45 -0500 (EST)
From: KarrArt@aol.com
To: wwi
Subject: curing AOL and bad monitor blues
Message-ID: <971114031945_1481927611@mrin39>

Well, I sit here tonight after another bad day of wondering where my mail-
both in and out might be.Am I typing to the Great Void? What little mail
there is is out of order.Well, I guess I'll do a little catching up on the
sites I regularly visit-WRONG. Every URL I try AOL says doesn't exist. And to
add to it all- my monitor now refuses to show the color red.
These are the things that drive me to the building table. I'm finally getting
my scratch 1/48 Tabloid seriously going. Today I built the fuselage
frame.It's done up like the real article. I started with model Railroad HO
scale 2x2s and after a few hours of fiddling with sticks I had a passable
scale-structure Sopwith fuselage.Sand them tiny sticks down , slop some
water-base Testors clear gloss(tinted with alittle red, yellow and brown)on
them , sand again and I've got my stick stock.

Disgruntled with modern electronics
Robert
IDFVMLBMS

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 03:22:10 -0500 (EST)
From: KarrArt@aol.com
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Strut StockBAMBOO
Message-ID: <971114032210_-1640003551@mrin42.mail.aol.com>

In a message dated 97-11-14 03:07:55 EST, Aidrian.BS@ConnectorSystems.co.nz
writes:

<< Seriously though, heed the words of the prophets of bamboo for such
 things -you can do all sorts of improbable things with it.  Not all of
 them are improper.
 
 Aidrian
 IDFVMLBMS >>

And yea- another prophet speaks.Verily I say unto you- BAMBOO
Robert
IDFVMLBMS

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 10:16:50 -0000
From: "Sandy Adam" <cbbs@almac.co.uk>
To: <wwi>
Subject: Re: Strut Stock
Message-ID: <199711141305.NAA07808@beryl.sol.co.uk>


> I am looking for a source of ridgid plastic strut stock.  Contrail, while
nicly shaped 
> is like working with linguine.  Strutz is also nice, but I dont like to
bend it and 
> soldering it together is for the birds.  Wood is for toothpicks. Anybody
have any 
> sources.
> 
> John

Those who have heard this forgive me for repeating, but

Either - plastic coated paper clips, run thin CA down inside the plastic
sheathing, then sand to section - 
Or - slide brass wire inside plastic tubing, run in CA and sand to section.

Sandy

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 07:43:25 +0000
From: "Paul Schwartzkopf" <pauls@transcrypt.com>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Hansa Brandenburg D.I
Message-ID: <199711141346.HAA03260@tscrypt1.transcrypt.com>

David, I was not able to find them listed in the latest Zenith 
catalog.  I believe another list member offered a suggestion on who 
might still have them, but I don't remember the member or what company.
(I think in both cases they were from Great Britain, though.)

Paul

> I was doing some house keeping in the Hard drive and stumbled
> across this one - If there was a second half to the Aircraft Archives
> via Zenith Publishing I don't seem to have kept it - Therefore with
> apologies TO YOU AND THE LIST !! ( acute embarrassment ) are the books
> still available ??


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Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 00:58:48 +0800
From: Joey Valenciano <joeyval@philonline.com.ph>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Aurora smell
Message-ID: <199711141658.AAA11197@fiesta.philonline.com.ph>

At 01:40 AM 11/14/97 -0500, you wrote:

>Without Aurora and what they did for WW I airplanes, I know alot of people
>would have never taken up the interest. Their products may be crude by
>today's standard, but the Aurora pioneers desrve credit for launching the WW
>I bug in many of us.

I grew up with my share of Blackbeard, Captain Kidd, American Bison, All the
Knights (even Gallahad, who was actually the blue knight moulded in silver)
except the Gold Knight with horse (how I yearned for that one).

But I never was able to lay my hands on one of their WWI kits. I don't
recall them being available over here. I did have an Aurora catalog though.
And I would spend many a time pouring over the WWI box art. Remeber the
Fokker D.VII box art? They had the plane in flames. What a way to market the
kit!


*********************************************************************

Joey Valenciano               WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, 
joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph     sitarist 
tel. (632) 921-26-75
Metro-Manila, Philippines

            "The more you know, the more you don't know."

*********************************************************************


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Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 00:58:51 +0800
From: Joey Valenciano <joeyval@philonline.com.ph>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: the bridge back
Message-ID: <199711141658.AAA11210@fiesta.philonline.com.ph>

At 02:00 AM 11/14/97 -0500, you wrote:

>Well, don't pass the next one by. If it's a Gotha, Breguet or the rare
>Halberstadt Cl.II for $40 or less, pick it up and I'll be eternally
>grateful. Those birds are scarce in my neck 'o the woods.

Halb Cl.II?! Get the Tom's resin kit for $25. You won't regret it. I am not
a stockholder at Tom's, just a satisfied customer who wants them to come out
with more kits of similar quality.

BTW, wasn't someone coming out with a 1/48 resin Breguet? Who, where and when?


*********************************************************************

Joey Valenciano               WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, 
joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph     sitarist 
tel. (632) 921-26-75
Metro-Manila, Philippines

            "The more you know, the more you don't know."

*********************************************************************


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Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 00:58:50 +0800
From: Joey Valenciano <joeyval@philonline.com.ph>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Strut Stock
Message-ID: <199711141658.AAA11202@fiesta.philonline.com.ph>

At 01:52 AM 11/14/97 -0500, you wrote:
>John & Allison Cyganowski wrote:
>> 
>> I am looking for a source of ridgid plastic strut stock.  Contrail, while
nicly shaped
>> is like working with linguine.  Strutz is also nice, but I dont like to
bend it and
>> soldering it together is for the birds.  Wood is for toothpicks. Anybody
have any
>> sources.

I'd go with Strutz, or bamboo, which I get form disposeable bamboo chopsticks.

Aeroclub provides rigid strut stock with their kits, this may be the type
you'd like to work with, but I don't know where you can get it without the kit.


*********************************************************************

Joey Valenciano               WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, 
joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph     sitarist 
tel. (632) 921-26-75
Metro-Manila, Philippines

            "The more you know, the more you don't know."

*********************************************************************


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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 18:03:01 -0000
From: "Sandy Adam" <cbbs@almac.co.uk>
To: <wwi>
Subject: Re: Aurora smell
Message-ID: <199711141717.RAA14952@beryl.sol.co.uk>

> 
> But I never was able to lay my hands on one of their WWI kits. I don't
> recall them being available over here. I did have an Aurora catalog
though.
> And I would spend many a time pouring over the WWI box art. Remeber the
> Fokker D.VII box art? They had the plane in flames. What a way to market
the
> kit!
 Best thing to do with a Fokker D.VII! - especially with a Camel shooting
it down if I remember correctly.
Sandy

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 09:54:50 -0800
From: mgoodwin@ricochet.net
To: wwi
Subject: Re: the bridge back
Message-ID: <346C906A.3A29@ricochet.net>

Joey Valenciano wrote:
> 
> Halb Cl.II?! Get the Tom's resin kit for $25

Got it from John Roll ages ago. I still like working with the old
plastic kits tho. The Halby is very rare- I've seen people asking
$100(!) for it.

> 
> BTW, wasn't someone coming out with a 1/48 resin Breguet? Who, where and when?

Don't know. I've heard rumors, but again, not having developed resin
skills, I'd rather wrestle with an old plastic war horse.
> 
> *********************************************************************
> 
> Joey Valenciano               WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician,
> joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph     sitarist
> tel. (632) 921-26-75
> Metro-Manila, Philippines
> 
>             "The more you know, the more you don't know."
> 
> *********************************************************************

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 13:16:10 +0000
From: "Paul Schwartzkopf" <pauls@transcrypt.com>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: the bridge back
Message-ID: <199711141919.NAA06927@tscrypt1.transcrypt.com>

>> Halb Cl.II?! Get the Tom's resin kit for $25
> Got it from John Roll ages ago. I still like working with the old
> plastic kits tho. The Halby is very rare- I've seen people asking
> $100(!) for it.

Riordan,  I picked up an Aurora  Halb. at the Omaha Nationals a couple years 
ago for $45--only because the box was in terrible shape.

I have to agree with you, I too prefer building the old plastic kits.
I have not had much luck working with even the resin detail 
parts, let alone trying a whole kit.  I think that plastic is more 
forgiving and workable.  Beside, I find the old kits nostalgic!!   

Paul A. Schwartzkopf

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 14:21:52 -0500 (EST)
From: REwing@aol.com
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Roland CII part 1
Message-ID: <971114142151_1812492802@mrin52.mail.aol.com>

In a message dated 97-11-12 12:05:21 EST, you write:

<< At 06:43 PM 11/11/97 -0500, Pedro Nuno Soares wrote:
 >
 >One last note: I've been using a lot of information on building this kit =
 >from an article in the french mag "Avions" that Matt sent me. The =
 >article is pretty well detailed and I've translated it to english. So if =
 >anyone cares to have a copy of my crappy translation just let me know =
 >and I'll e-mail it.
  Pedro >>

I too would like a copy.  E-mail to REwing@AOL.com.  TIA, -Rick-

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 12:26:18 -0700
From: Charles Hart <hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU>
To: wwi
Subject: Re:  C&C USA CD
Message-ID: <l03102804b0925536d3db@[128.138.153.98]>

>mgoodwin@ricochet.net wrote:
>>
>> Oh, a CD.
>
>What an inspired idea!  Fraught with legalities though.  "Who owns the
>rights?" is the
>question. Would Cross & Cockade (GB) have rights here?  What about the
>Over the Front
>group?  The authors might be the least of your problems, since as I recall
>they didn't
>get paid for their articals.  And if the magazines are in the public
>domain...how the
>hell do you protect an investment in the CD?  Come on - we must have a
>lawyer in the
>group?????
>
>John

     Even before considering the copyright ramifications of such a venture
as putting C&C USA ( the C&C (GB) group is independent of the US
organization) a more important consideration would be the cost of getting
26 years of journals into a digital form.  Not a small task, so who would
do it and how much would they charge ?  That gets figured into the cost of
proposed CD.  Just like a kit, one has to consider how many folks would
like to purchase said CD, 50 ?, 300?, 1000?  Again this issue begs the
question "How many WW I enthusiasts/ modelers are there ?"

My US$ 0.02 worth.

Charles

hartc@spot.colorado.edu



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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 15:25:56 -0500 (EST)
From: ModelerAl@aol.com
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Matlan news re WWI
Message-ID: <971114152555_2060083793@mrin47>

At great personal risk, here's the latest news I just got from this source in
Belgium:

<< just receive(d) :
 
 FLASHBACK 1/48 :
 
 FOKKER E.III EINDECKER	850 BEF
 
 FOKKER E V FLYING RAZOR	850 BEF
 
 This is EDUARD molds with resin interior, photoetched parts & different
decals.>>

Al

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 17:16:16 -0400
From: Alberto Rada <rada@true.NET>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Bleriot XI
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971114171616.00e10698@pop.true.net>


Hi David

Aeroplane Books : Aeroplane Books <aerobook@hroads.net>

I'll send you tomorow the list of types

SALUDOS

ALBERTO

p.d. I have several jpg photos, some with good detail that I can 
email you if you wish, just let me know

 

At 08:42 PM 12-11-97 -0500, you wrote:
>Alberto Rada wrote:
>> 
>> David
>> 
>> I don't think it is, but it can be found, try Aeroplane Books
>> 
>> SALUDOS
>> 
>> ALBERTO
>> 
>> p.d. I have it , it you need any thing on it let me know
>> 
>ALBERTO
>
>MANY THANKS -
>
>Do you have a contact for Aeroplane Books and in the meantime might I 
>impose and ask if you could do a quick list of the types of WW 1 
>aircraft covered
>
>REGARDS
>
>DAVID
>
>


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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 22:19:03 +0100
From: Steve Borland <ccc4291@vip.cybercity.dk>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Roland CII part 1
Message-ID: <346CC047.E57CB4FB@vip.cybercity.dk>

REwing@aol.com wrote:
> 
> In a message dated 97-11-12 12:05:21 EST, you write:
> 
> << At 06:43 PM 11/11/97 -0500, Pedro Nuno Soares wrote:
>  >
>  >One last note: I've been using a lot of information on building this kit =
>  >from an article in the french mag "Avions" that Matt sent me. The =
>  >article is pretty well detailed and I've translated it to english. So if =
>  >anyone cares to have a copy of my crappy translation just let me know =
>  >and I'll e-mail it.
>   Pedro >>
> 
> I too would like a copy.  E-mail to REwing@AOL.com.  TIA, -Rick-

I would also be much obliged to recieve a copy. Many TIA.
Steve at ccc4291@vip.cybercity.dk


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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 22:08:03 +0100
From: Steve Borland <ccc4291@vip.cybercity.dk>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Strut Stock
Message-ID: <346CBDB3.CE1C0C13@vip.cybercity.dk>

mgoodwin@ricochet.net wrote:

> 
> You have touched on one of the ultimate quests of modeling biplanes:
> scale struts that are strong enough to hold up and hold together a
> model. 

snip

 Perhaps thin sprue could be heated up and pressed into
> oval section & sanded into shape. Probably a hairbrained idea, but
> that's the best I can do. Someone on the list must have tried this
> already.

 
Hi Riordan,
If I have understood the question correctly, yes. If you take your lump of
sprue and introduce it to a file, after you have produced a satisfactory "RAF"
section, you can then stretch it in the normal way, resulting in lots of "RAF"
section thin-as-you-like strut material.

Hope this is of some use.

Steve Borland



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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 22:09:56 +0100
From: Pedro Nuno Soares <pnsoares@mail.telepac.pt>
To: "'ww1 modeling list'" <wwi>
Subject: What do whales look like on the inside? better ask Jonas....
Message-ID: <01BCF14A.725B6F00@fei1-p6.telepac.pt>

Hi Gang

I'm working on the cockpit details of my Roland and it's about time to =
lay some colour on the inside of the fuselage. Knowing that the fuselage =
skin was made out of plywood strips I am tempted to paint it in a not =
too dark wood shade. The guy who wrote the article for the "avions" mag =
though says that the interior should be painted in linen colour (Humbrol =
74). What do you all think about that? Would the inside of the fuselages =
 also be covered in clear doped lenin (he..he..) or should I go for the =
wood shade? I know one of you out there must have an answer to this =
question so don't go about dodging your responsibilities...;-).

Also following the recent thread on beardmore engines I would appreciate =
if someone would give me a hint as to what shades of metal I should =
paint the mercedes engine (which I already received from Aeroclub - =
super service, thanks again Sandy), Only the cylinders and the exhaust =
system will be visible after installation and I suspect that steel grey =
would be ok but is there any copper on those cylinders?

The page on Al's site with photographs of engines would sure be a great =
help.

Thanks guys

Over and out

Um abraco
Pedro



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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 17:27:52 -0500 (EST)
From: BStett3770@aol.com
To: wwi
Subject: FMP New Titles
Message-ID: <971114172752_2026615969@mrin53.mail.aol.com>

Hi Gang

Just spoke to the powers that be at Flying Machines Press today.

The Great War Profile #2 Berg D-1 & WWI VC Winners book have
been delayed to the End of November. ( they were due on Nov 17th)

Anyone whom ordered from us sorry for the delay not much we can do about it.

Keep Modeling
Barry
Rosemont Hhobby

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 18:05:04 -0500
From: John & Allison Cyganowski <Janah@worldnet.att.net>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: What do whales look like on the inside? better ask Jonas....
Message-ID: <346CD920.4944@worldnet.att.net>

Pedro Nuno Soares wrote:
> 
> Hi Gang
>
> Snip
>
> what shades of metal I should =
> paint the mercedes engine (which I already received from Aeroclub - =
> super service, thanks again Sandy), Only the cylinders and the exhaust =
> system will be visible after installation and I suspect that steel grey =
> would be ok but is there any copper on those cylinders?
> 
> The page on Al's site with photographs of engines would sure be a great =
> help.
> 
>This is from the modeler reference photos site listed in the other links
area of the web page.  A BMW thoough not a Mercedes...

http://www.xnet.com/~tmblweed/bmw.html

John

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 15:19:16 -0800
From: Bob Pearson <bpearson@kaien.com>
To: WW1 Mailing list <wwi>
Subject: Re: C&C USA CD
Message-ID: <23191679808024@KAIEN.COM>


Greetings all,

At the 1994 OTF Seminar I believe the very question of reprinting the old
C&C(USA) journals was raised at the business meeting. And the answer was to
the effect of Charles' reply - ie: just how many people are there out there,
and how many of them would buy the collection, and where would they store
those that are unsold etc. Although fairly rare, the US issues can be found
- I just didn't have enough to purchase them when my chance came at the
Washington Seminar, but they are out there and still circulating for around
$1000 US

Perhaps we could do something on our own here instead. Those with the
journals could lend them to those uf us with scanners to copy as jpegs, this
would permit any page to be opened by a browser (as I seem to recall that
some of you are silly enough to not use Macs, so we shouldn't be tied to
just one format). The result being placed unto a Jaz disc or many Zips and
then copied to CD. I know of a couple of people that have CD burners and
perhaps they may be able to help. 

One problem with putting 25 1/2 years of journals on one disc is to find
where everything is, especially if each page is a separate jpeg. One option
is the use of a database to find the relevant article, photo etc - those who
have made use of my article/photo databases may attest to how helpful this
is, and it shouldn't be too hard to add this as well.

Well what does everyone think?

Regards,
        Bob Pearson

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> From: Charles Hart <hartc@spot.colorado.edu>
> To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
> Subject: Re: C&C USA CD
> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 14:28:48 -0500
> 
> >mgoodwin@ricochet.net wrote:
> >>
> >> Oh, a CD.
> >
> >What an inspired idea!  Fraught with legalities though.  "Who owns the
> >rights?" is the
> >question. Would Cross & Cockade (GB) have rights here?  What about the
> >Over the Front
> >group?  The authors might be the least of your problems, since as I
recall
> >they didn't
> >get paid for their articals.  And if the magazines are in the public
> >domain...how the
> >hell do you protect an investment in the CD?  Come on - we must have a
> >lawyer in the
> >group?????
> >
> >John
> 
>      Even before considering the copyright ramifications of such a venture
> as putting C&C USA ( the C&C (GB) group is independent of the US
> organization) a more important consideration would be the cost of getting
> 26 years of journals into a digital form.  Not a small task, so who would
> do it and how much would they charge ?  That gets figured into the cost of
> proposed CD.  Just like a kit, one has to consider how many folks would
> like to purchase said CD, 50 ?, 300?, 1000?  Again this issue begs the
> question "How many WW I enthusiasts/ modelers are there ?"
> 
> My US$ 0.02 worth.
> 
> Charles
> 
> hartc@spot.colorado.edu
> 
> 


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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 17:21:42 -0600
From: "John Glaser" <JohnGlaser@worldnet.att.net>
To: <wwi>
Subject: Re: Aurora smell
Message-ID: <19971114232354.AAA19680@johng>

If anybody wants to fondly recall Aurora box art, check out the "Boxtop
Archive" link at the following site.

http://members.aol.com/billbayer/kcchome.htm


- John

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> From: Sandy Adam <cbbs@almac.co.uk>
> To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
> Subject: Re: Aurora smell
> Date: Friday, November 14, 1997 11:26 AM
> 
> > 
> > But I never was able to lay my hands on one of their WWI kits. I don't
> > recall them being available over here. I did have an Aurora catalog
> though.
> > And I would spend many a time pouring over the WWI box art. Remeber the
> > Fokker D.VII box art? They had the plane in flames. What a way to
market
> the
> > kit!
>  Best thing to do with a Fokker D.VII! - especially with a Camel shooting
> it down if I remember correctly.
> Sandy

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 19:04:17 -0500 (EST)
From: JimAlley@aol.com
To: wwi
Subject: Re:  Re: Roland CII part 1
Message-ID: <971114190417_412235434@mrin86.mail.aol.com>

> >One last note: I've been using a lot of information on building this kit =
> >from an article in the french mag "Avions" that Matt sent me. The =
> >article is pretty well detailed and I've translated it to english. So if =
> >anyone cares to have a copy of my crappy translation just let me know =
> >and I'll e-mail it.
>  Pedro >>

I'd like a copy!

Jim Alley
jimalley@aol.com


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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 19:04:30 -0500
From: Geoff Smith <GeoffSmith@compuserve.com>
To: "INTERNET:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" <wwi>
Subject: Re: What do whales look like on the inside? better ask Jonas....
Message-ID: <199711141904_MC2-2839-DAD7@compuserve.com>


>> what shades of metal I should =3D
> paint the mercedes engine (which I already received from Aeroclub - =3D=

> super service, thanks again Sandy), Only the cylinders and the exhaust =
=3D
> system will be visible after installation and I suspect that steel grey=
 =3D
> would be ok but is there any copper on those cylinders?
> =

> The page on Al's site with photographs of engines would sure be a great=
 =3D
> help.<

Pedro,

If you've got a copy of Windsock Vol.11/5, there's a photo of a D.I
Mercedes in colour. If not, let me know, I'll try to scan it for you.
Basically, this engine is silver crankcase, black cylinders, dark steel
camshaft/valves with silver housing at rear of camshaft & silver lagged
inlets. There's no exhaust manifold on this example. I don't know how
original this colour scheme is.

Having said all that, the black & white photos of 180 and 200 hp engines =
in
Jane's appear not to have painted cylinders, I'd say  dark steel or coppe=
r.
   ???    A bit vague but all I have.

Regards,

Geoff.

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Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 11:15:19 +1000
From: Shane Weier <SDW@qld.mim.com.au>
To: Pedro Nuno Soares <pnsoares@mail.telepac.pt>
Cc: "'wwi'" <wwi>
Subject: RE: What do whales look like on the inside? better ask Jonas....
Message-ID: <199711150225.MAA00252@mimmon.mim.com.au>

	Hi Pedro,


	>Knowing that the fuselage =
	>skin was made out of plywood strips I am tempted to paint it in
a not =
	>too dark wood shade. The guy who wrote the article for the
"avions" mag =
	>though says that the interior should be painted in linen colour
(Humbrol =
	>74). What do you all think about that? Would the inside of the
fuselages =
	> also be covered in clear doped lenin (he..he..) or should I go
for the =
	>wood shade? 

	Actually, the Roland technique for making this style of fuselage
included not just numerous strips of thin wood laminated over each other
at an angle but also strips of cloth doped between them to hold the
entire mass together. 

	A photo of the C.II interior (#83) in the Datafile clearly shows
the strips, just like rib tapes, and the colour of both strip and the
wood (?) in between is the same. That being so, and there being (quite
definitely) no wood grain showing, I suggest that the entire interior is
doped with *some* colour, and is NOT wood.  I suppose it is possible
that the interior has a sheet of fabric clear doped over it and further
strengthened at the wood joints, in which case the guy from Avions is
right, but I'd have assumed another coloured dope. I leave you to guess
the colour, but exterior colour does not seem impossible given the
simplicity of using just one dope.

	Regards

	Shane

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Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 11:24:04 +1000
From: Shane Weier <SDW@qld.mim.com.au>
To: Pedro Nuno Soares <pnsoares@mail.telepac.pt>
Cc: "'wwi'" <wwi>
Subject: RE: What do whales look like on the inside? better ask Jonas....
Message-ID: <199711150232.MAA00511@mimmon.mim.com.au>

Pedro,

	>I'm working on the cockpit details of my Roland and it's about
time to =
	>lay some colour on the inside of the fuselage.

	A post script to my previous post.

	There are several other photos, all of which show the same
effect, The wall is exactly the same shade as the framework, which most
probably not e fabric wrapped. 

	I'm as sure as I ever get that the interior is *colour* doped
(of course they may have had a big drum of Humbrol 74 ;-)

	One other thing - the floor is WOOD, and the grain is quite
obvious in the photos

	Regards

	Shane 

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