WWI Digest 741 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Albatros D.V silver fuselage by Joey Valenciano 2) Re: Albatros D.V silver fuselage by Joey Valenciano 3) Steve Hustad's diorama in FSM by Mark K Nelson 4) Re: German Tent Hanger by TPTPUMPER@aol.com 5) Re: Albatros D.V silver fuselage by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 6) Re: German Tent Hanger by KarrArt@aol.com 7) Re: Fee observer position by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 8) Re: British Markings by Mick Fauchon 9) Re: Blue Max Camel by DavidL1217 10) Re: Finned cyliders by B-A-L 11) The Trans-Tasman league of scratchbuilders. by Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton 12) Re: Albatros D.V silver fuselage by KarrArt@aol.com 13) Re: The Trans-Tasman league of scratchbuilders. by KarrArt@aol.com 14) Re: The Trans-Tasman league of scratchbuilders. by Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton 15) Re: Steve Hustad's diorama in FSM by mbittner@juno.com 16) Re: Possiblity for exchanges/ was need help from Brits by Graham Nash 17) Re: New thread/Masking by "Paul Schwartzkopf" 18) A7V Tank by "Paul Schwartzkopf" 19) Re: 1/285th lozenge by Redwilde@bdsbbs.com (Redwilde) 20) American Stripes by Redwilde@bdsbbs.com (Redwilde) 21) Re: Need help from the Brits on this list by "Sandy Adam" 22) Re: A7V Tank by Joey Valenciano 23) Re: 1/285th lozenge by "Sandy Adam" 24) Re: Sopwith Baby tail by Geoff Smith 25) Re: The Trans-Tasman league of scratchbuilders. by KarrArt@aol.com 26) Re: See-throught effect by KarrArt@aol.com 27) Re: A7V Tank by Charles Hart 28) Re: Cross and Cockade USA by Patrick Padovan 29) Re: Alberto's Pix by Alberto Rada ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 13:50:46 +0800 From: Joey Valenciano To: wwi Subject: Re: Albatros D.V silver fuselage Message-ID: <199711030550.NAA04851@fiesta.philonline.com.ph> At 02:22 PM 11/2/97 -0500, you wrote: > My suspicions are that the notion of a "silver-grey" finished Albatros >fuselage come from early writings about Jasta 5 finishes. I'm not even >certain that these Jasta's a/c were overpainted on their fuselages, though >Americal/Gryphon's Jasta 5 instruction sheet maintains that this Jasta did >overpaint the fuselages. FWIW, I've seen (maybe many of you have too) coloured photos of the D.Va of Champlin Fighter Museum, Mesa, Arizona. It carries the colours of the Jasta 5 Hippel/Flashar plane with the dragon on the fuselage sides. They've painted this plane (restoration or replica?) with a silver fuselage. I've seen only one picture of the real plane (Sq/Sig Albatros in Action) in it's overturned sans bottom wings state. Judging from the not so clear photo, it seems more likely to me that the plane didn't have a silver fuselage, grey (as Americal suggests) would be more likely. But here is a quote from Rimmell's Albatros Fighters Special Datafile: Page 36 (caption for Gonterman's stippled fuselage D.V '.... Quite a few of the early D.V machines are believed to have had aluminum doped fuselages and many examples have been noted bearing the stippled finish as seen here. Obviously it is almost impossible to distinguish between aluminum-doped and clear varnished fuselages from study of monochrome photographs so modellers should exercise caution when selecting final colour schemes. It is thought that many early production Albatros D.V fighters had aluminum-doped fuselages and several photographs show these machines in service with Jasta 15 and 37 as well as Marine Feld Jastas." I'm curious about this finish (if it ever did exist) because Dan San Abbott interpret's Udet's Alb.D.Va (D.6560, Jasta 37, Wynghene Airfield, March 1918) as having a silver fuselage (he wrote describing it as such but there's no mention of it being silver anywhere on his drawing). Has anyone seen a photo of this particular plane? I want to paint the Eduard kit in this manner. The plane, other than having a silver/clear varnished fuselage has a black "LO" on the fuselage, black rudder, white edged eiserne kreuz, lozenge wings, and Jasta 37 markings of black & white diagonal stripes on the horizontal tail. ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 13:50:40 +0800 From: Joey Valenciano To: wwi Subject: Re: Albatros D.V silver fuselage Message-ID: <199711030550.NAA04836@fiesta.philonline.com.ph> At 03:01 PM 11/2/97 -0500, you wrote: >>Joey Valenciano wrote: >>> My question is, what kind shade or colour did this finish have? Was it a >>> bright silver ala Nieuport or a greyish one ala Pfalz? > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >How did you come to this conclusion? Aren't you donning the top part of your >color police uniform to make a blanket statement like that? No, the kilt. ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 22:47:39 -0700 From: Mark K Nelson To: wwi Subject: Steve Hustad's diorama in FSM Message-ID: Steve Hustad's WW1 trench diorama article in the latest FSM is pretty good. . . 4 out of 4 store employees thought it was a great looking diorama, 2 though it was kind of gruesome too (The rat was a nice touch)- appropriate for an article that came out the week of Halloween. _____________________________________________________________________ Mark (An Employee at Kites & Other Delights in West Edmonton Mall) ------------------------ mnelson@v-wave.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 00:53:36 -0500 (EST) From: TPTPUMPER@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: German Tent Hanger Message-ID: <971103005335_358769376@emout06.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 97-11-03 00:46:08 EST, you write: > Hi Robert > > Then it won't be fun any more > > SALUDOS > > ALBERTO Hi Robert! Yeah! What he said! Haven't you ever opened an old box of models and think you fell into a hobby shop from another age? I love it when that happens . . . Have Fun!! IRA ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 20:23:00 -0800 From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: Albatros D.V silver fuselage Message-ID: <199711030423.AA26153@ednet1.orednet.org> Joey wrote: >Greetings all, > >Some Albatros D.V's went to the front with their fuselages finished in a >silver colour. > >My question is, what kind shade or colour did this finish have? Was it a >bright silver ala Nieuport or a greyish one ala Pfalz? I can't find any references to any factory-finished silver fuselaged Albatri although Jasta 34b apparently used a silver color as a Jasta marking on the tail/rear fuselage on some of their machines, including their D.V's Attempting to speculate on the exact tone of that color would be just that, speculation although it more probable that a tone similar to the Pfalz finish would be used - after all, presumably the Pfalz paint would be a standard issue item available through the standard supply system - there wouldn't seem to be any good reason to cobble up a completely new paint standard if a standard issue "silver" paint were available. Jest guessing though, mostly. Cheers and all, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org "All generalizations are dangerous, even this one." Alexandre Dumas ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 01:03:52 -0500 (EST) From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: German Tent Hanger Message-ID: <971103010350_-325399167@emout05.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 97-11-03 00:56:07 EST, TPTPUMPER@aol.com writes: << > Hi Robert > > Then it won't be fun any more > > SALUDOS > > ALBERTO Hi Robert! Yeah! What he said! Haven't you ever opened an old box of models and think you fell into a hobby shop from another age? I love it when that happens . . . Have Fun!! IRA >> Perhaps the most fun I've had in a couple of years (at least as far as WWI modeling goes) was when I was at a model collectors vending show and bought a plastic bag full of old built up Auroras for $20. The bag contained- 2 Fokker D VIIs, 3 Albatros D whatevers, a DH-4, an Albatros C III and a Camel. After we got home that afternoon, my wife and son went grocery shopping and I was home alone. I actually started racing through the house with a Foker in one hand and a Camel in the other, making airplane and machine gun noises with my mouth and acting just like the happiest kid in the world.Then the phone rang and ended my reverie.Indeed IRA and Alberto-FUN!!! Robert ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 17:12:42 -0800 From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: Fee observer position Message-ID: <199711030112.AA07516@ednet1.orednet.org> Mick writes: > > Yes, well......two bodies + armament + fuel + two parachutes !?..... >it doubt if the poor old thing would make it into the air. Especially in a >head-wind 80) > Apart from that, I doubt whether you could cram a body and a >parachute into either cockpit. I gather that was one of the biggest >constraints in their use, plus their weight, comments about official dis- >approval [true or not, as that may be] notwithstanding. Still, those constraints didn't seem to deter the Germans from using parachutes - who managed to cram parachute-encumbered bodies into cockpits and still make reasonable progress against the wind. Parachute construction can hardly have been the 1918 equivelent of rocket science - if the Germans could make parachutes small enough and light enough to fit into cockpits and not impose an untoward weight penalty on the aircraft, certainly the RAF could have done so as well. Perhaps the German willingness, and the RAF reluctance, to embrace parachutes is related to the tactical doctrines of the two air services and the German proclivity to mostly remain on their side of the frontlines while the British emphasized operations over the German side of the lines. Thus, a German pilot parachuting from a damaged aircraft was almost certain to come down within his own lines (more so, with the generally prevailing west winds) and live to fight another day. A parachuting RAF airman, conversely, was much more likely to land within enemy lines and be "lost of the duration". Perhaps the theory was, "If he jumps, we've lost him in any case, while if he _has_ to stay with the craft, perhaps he'll nurse it home." A little cold-hearted but then the British high-command was not known for warm-heartedness during the Great War - indeed, warm-heartedness was not a common commodity with _any_ of the high commands during that conflict. Cheers and all, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org "All generalizations are dangerous, even this one." Alexandre Dumas ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 15:55:17 +1100 (EST) From: Mick Fauchon To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: British Markings Message-ID: David, > Bob Mick > > Es konnte immer schlecter sein, nicht wahr ? I can't answer for Bob, but as far as I'm concerned: Jawohl, es k"onnte noch schlimmer sein 80) Cheers, Mick. -- -- Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM M M M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M M M M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M M M MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 01:12:33 EST From: DavidL1217 To: wwi Subject: Re: Blue Max Camel Message-ID: <8e04cd49.345d6b25@aol.com> Just got the Blue Max Camel. It almost has parts for two planes. ONE WOULD THINK THAT AN ENTERPRISING RESIN PARTS FIRM WOULD MAKE PARTS TO COMPLETE A SECOND CAMEL!!! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 17:08:37 +0000 From: B-A-L To: wwi Subject: Re: Finned cyliders Message-ID: <345E0515.6661@eis.net.au> Thanks to Aidrian for the Machine screws idea - I tried that, or at least went hunting , but couldn't find anything which seemed to be ABOUT right Hey , I'll cheat with the best of them where I can ! Good luck to anyone with access to some of the finer old BS threads or a lathe Bit the bullet today and bought a fine ( modeller's ) pipe cutter at lunch-time together with some ali rod - Now all I have to do is work out how to control the screw adjustment on the cutter tensioner and hold the rod " just so " while the other hand supports everything as the other spare hand turns the pipe ##@##@! REGARDS TO ALL DAVID ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 21:13:09 -0800 From: Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton To: wwi Subject: The Trans-Tasman league of scratchbuilders. Message-ID: <345EAEE5.3D5C@ConnectorSystems.co.nz> B-A-L wrote: > > Aidrian, > > VAC FORM @###@! > > Don't listen to them !!! ( Sorry Bob, I need a fellow sufferer - and > Aidrian is so handy - just across the Tasman ) > > Keep scratch Building !!! > > REGARDS > > DAVID Well - I've got a few vacs in the collection and some injection moulded jobs too, but for WWI a/c I find scratchbuilding just as easy as a vac - at least for small models. By the time you have thinned down the trailing edges and prepared the mouldings in plastic you can just about make the parts from wood anyway - I have to say afew years making ships and trains conditions you to working in defunct fibrous vegetable matter and lumps of brass. I'm not knocking plastics, but give decent timbers a chance - fruit woods are particularly good for modelmaking. Avoid Balsa for static models - it 'orrible stuff, with the only advantage being lightness and availability. I have a fancy for doing a German plane just for the effect of the varnished fuselage; I know wood grain doesn't scale well, but the effect should be stunning - given the right wood. Really the difficulty with any early model is that attaching of the struts and rigging - again I think the ship modelling experience helps here- and this is as difficult in a Vacform as it is on a scratch model, so a vac isn't always going to help all that much. Big advantage of sratch over resin and Vac? Cheap - though decent wood is getting dearer all the time and harder to get. What kits do help with is the fiddly details -try scratch building a Lewis in 1/48th let alone 1/72nd. Thank the lord for Mr Adams little gems in these cases. Give it a shot folks - you won't need to pester the manufacturers again just because they don't make a Crashen-Splatz DLXXXXIVa. Of course, there is the very high probabilty that as soon as you are close to completion of the scratch model, Shagnasty models will announce a beautiful resin and etched brass model in exactly the scale you want and with the decals for the colour scheme you have just hand painted. Cheers Aidrian ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 03:34:56 -0500 (EST) From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Albatros D.V silver fuselage Message-ID: <971103033456_746016965@emout02.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 97-11-03 02:04:45 EST, joeyval@philonline.com.ph writes: << Champlin Fighter Museum, Mesa, Arizona. It carries the colours of the Jasta 5 Hippel/Flashar plane with the dragon on the fuselage sides. They've painted this plane (restoration or replica?) with a silver fuselage. I've >> The Champlin machine is a replica. Looking at the old Profile Pub and other sources it does appear that some had a grayish finish- no wood grain detectable and the light reflects differently than the natural wood fuselages. Robert ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 03:34:58 -0500 (EST) From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: The Trans-Tasman league of scratchbuilders. Message-ID: <971103033457_276000581@emout03.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 97-11-03 03:22:30 EST, Aidrian.BS@ConnectorSystems.co.nz (Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton) writes: << I have to say afew years making ships and trains conditions you to working in defunct fibrous vegetable matter and lumps of brass. >> Yes! I can see it now- the IDFVMLBMS ! I would join such a modeling society in 1/3546353423th of a second. Scratching a model in wood- even 1/48- is often less hassle than correcting a plastic kit- and bamboo can be shaved, carved, thinned and lovingly tortured into the most realistic and strongest parts you'll ever make. Robert ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 21:50:08 -0800 From: Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton To: wwi Subject: Re: The Trans-Tasman league of scratchbuilders. Message-ID: <345EB790.3663@ConnectorSystems.co.nz> KarrArt@aol.com wrote: > > Yes! I can see it now- the IDFVMLBMS ! I would join such a modeling society > in 1/3546353423th of a second. Scratching a model in wood- even 1/48- is > often less hassle than correcting a plastic kit- and bamboo can be shaved, > carved, thinned and lovingly tortured into the most realistic and strongest > parts you'll ever make. > Robert And there will be a prize for the first model made entirely from celery. Aidrian ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 05:18:40 -0600 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Steve Hustad's diorama in FSM Message-ID: <19971103.051841.10974.7.mbittner@juno.com> On Mon, 3 Nov 1997 00:51:22 -0500 Mark K Nelson writes: > Steve Hustad's WW1 trench diorama article in the latest FSM is > pretty good. . . 4 out of 4 store employees thought it was a > great looking diorama, 2 though it was kind of gruesome too (The > rat was a nice touch)- appropriate for an article that came out > the week of Halloween. Steve is like a god. :-) You should see his dioramas in person. They are so much better that way. As far as gruesome goes, war is not pretty. The rat is TM and copyright, Steve Hustad. ;-) Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 12:36:23 -0800 From: Graham Nash To: wwi Subject: Re: Possiblity for exchanges/ was need help from Brits Message-ID: <199711031234.AA14226@egate2.citicorp.com> Paul Howard wrote: > > Sandy, > > This exchange/barter system would be very useful to some of us modelers. Isn't this the whole idea about the Shop N'Swap page? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 07:45:33 +0000 From: "Paul Schwartzkopf" To: wwi Subject: Re: New thread/Masking Message-ID: <199711031350.HAA11494@tscrypt1.transcrypt.com> > So, the question is, what to use for masking. I bought some > liquid > stuff, but that doesn't work well for sharp lines, etc. If masking > tape works, what brand and kind. TIA Mike Muth Mike, I have been using 3-M brand Fine Line masking tape. This can be purchased at a good auto body supply shop. It is used in the auto painting industry to mask off pin stripes, etc. It comes in different widths, and has never pulled off the underlying color on anything I used it on. It does take a little practice to apply, as it has a different composition of any of the previously discussed products. Also, it is not the cheapest thing in the world. HTH Paul A. Schwartzkopf =================================================================== Development Engineer--Software Transcrypt International, Inc. Telephone: (402) 474-4800 E-Mail: pauls@transcrypt.com =================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 07:51:45 +0000 From: "Paul Schwartzkopf" To: wwi Subject: A7V Tank Message-ID: <199711031356.HAA11512@tscrypt1.transcrypt.com> I picked up an old RareTank (vacuform) 1/76 scale kit of the German A7V this weekend. The roof has got what appears to be "grillework" on the front and rear sections. This grillework is not formed very well, with many of the openings plugged with plastic. Should this area actually be opened up like a screen, as for crew compartment ventilation? Also, any references on details, finishes, etc. would be appreciated. Now if I could just find a replacement for the vacuformed treads.... Paul A. Schwartzkopf =================================================================== Development Engineer--Software Transcrypt International, Inc. Telephone: (402) 474-4800 E-Mail: pauls@transcrypt.com =================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: 3 Nov 1997 10:34:56 EDT From: Redwilde@bdsbbs.com (Redwilde) To: wwi Subject: Re: 1/285th lozenge Message-ID: <8785713515206@bdsbbs.com> Hi folks, Joey Valenciano wrote: >If you do want some lozenge artwork in 1/285th scale, I have these done already: 4 colour top & bottom, 5 colour top & bottom, 5 colour night camo, naval hexagons (grey & brown patterns) and Bob Pearson wrote: >As we are doing this for our own uses and not for sale, I could scan in some Aeromaster or Pegasus lozenge, reduce it to either 1/144 or 1/288 (close enough Brian?) and email it to you to print out. Yes, I would love toget copies of these to experiment with. However, hold that thought and I'll let you know when I have a provider that accepts file attachments. Probably will be in a few weeks, right now I'll be working my buns off getting ready to go to a big gaming convention down Gettysburg this coming weekend. And yes, 1/288 would be close enough. I have no idea why 1/285 got established as the gaming microscale instead of 1/288. And to complicate things further, 1/285 got established as the U.S. standard, while British manufacturers use 1/300. Sigh. Brian RW P.S. What's a good source for clear decal film? ------------------------------ Date: 3 Nov 1997 10:36:32 EDT From: Redwilde@bdsbbs.com (Redwilde) To: wwi Subject: American Stripes Message-ID: <8785714113907@bdsbbs.com> The evidence does point to use of stripes being very sporadic on Nieuports. How about on Spads? Did they ever use the stripes regularly? Brian RW ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 16:55:18 -0000 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: Need help from the Brits on this list Message-ID: <199711031556.PAA11286@beryl.sol.co.uk> > I for one want to try to get Datafiles straight from the source. But I can > make sense of Rommel's (oops, I mean Rimmel's) Shipping charges. Can anyone > help? At least to explain how the postage works. Plus, I can't buy GB > currency over here, only US$ :-( > Joey Valenciano Albatros don't do Credit Card orders unfortunately and trying to get foreign currency to an exact amount is always complicated. My suggestion would be to buy with a credit card from one of the other UK sources - you'll get the best exchange rate and no commission! My recommendation would be MCP, who always have a large stock of Windsock Datafiles and Specials. They have a large stock of everything else as well! Midland Counties Publications Unit 3 Maizenfield Hinckley Leicester LE10 1YF United Kingdom Tel (0)1455-233-747 Fax(0)1455-233-737 email 106371.573@compuserve.com I haven't used email with them (didn't realise until I checked address that they had one!) but suggest you send them a request for a quote for what you want. I have no connection but have been a happy customer for some time. Oh BTW they also total up what you buy and give you a discount against future purchases. HTH Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 00:17:31 +0800 From: Joey Valenciano To: wwi Subject: Re: A7V Tank Message-ID: <199711031617.AAA26619@fiesta.philonline.com.ph> >This grillework is not formed very well, >with many of the openings plugged with plastic. Should this area >actually be opened up like a screen, as for crew compartment ventilation? Yes. >Also, any references on details, finishes, etc. would be appreciated. >Now if I could just find a replacement for the vacuformed treads.... I have some colour schemes for particular tanks. Snailmail location please. ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 17:14:46 -0000 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: 1/285th lozenge Message-ID: <199711031614.QAA11738@beryl.sol.co.uk> >.... And to complicate things further, 1/285 got established as the U.S. standard, > while British manufacturers use 1/300. Sigh. > Brian RW I don't think I could work with this complication - imagine if the only cocking levers you could get for your Spandaus were 1/285 and you had to put them on a 1/300 Fokker D.VII! You wouldn't be able to sleep at night! Or worse, what if the 1/300 throttle quadrants were slightly undersized? - they'd be lost in the vast emptiness of a 1/285 cockpit! Much easier in Matt's Balloon Scale of 1/72. Sandy TIC (tongue in cheek) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 13:31:37 -0500 From: Geoff Smith To: "INTERNET:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Sopwith Baby tail Message-ID: <199711031331_MC2-2685-BF24@compuserve.com> Knut Erik wrote: >I was working on an Eduard 1/48 Sopwith Baby, hoping to finish it before= = >the Norwegian IPMS competition next weekend. = >Tried to figure out where some of the fittings were to go around the tai= l, >but could not get drawings and models to match. >The fixed part of the vertical rudder extends on the kit some distance forward >of the horizontal tail, but on the factory drawings they end at the same= spot. >Looking at pictures in the Datafile some British machines appear to have= theirs >extended a few inches forward, but most looks like the Norwegian ones. >Someone out there who have built the kit earlier and can comment on this= ? I haven't built mine yet but I've just compared it against the Datafile. = If you look at the stabiliser and elevator, they are a mile too small, yet t= he fin/rudder aren't too different. from the drawing. Looks like this is whe= re the difference is. I haven't found a photo showing, clearly, a fin extending forward of the tailplane leading edge. HTH Regards, Geoff ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 13:48:34 -0500 (EST) From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: The Trans-Tasman league of scratchbuilders. Message-ID: <971103131322_1346585363@emout10.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 97-11-03 03:54:44 EST, Aidrian.BS@ConnectorSystems.co.nz writes: << And there will be a prize for the first model made entirely from celery. Aidrian >> Yeah- second prize after my Sop Snipe made from wet leaves takes first.Models made from bacon will not be allowed (you've got to keep an eye on those sneaky meat-modelers) Robert ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 14:06:29 -0500 (EST) From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: See-throught effect Message-ID: <971103130822_459185297@emout05.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 97-11-03 03:40:18 EST, Janah@worldnet.att.net (John & Allison Cyganowski) writes: << >Robert Karr (and thanks for the good word about my lil 'ol BE ) Let me pay hommage. Awesome! Clearly, only a man under the influence of DiaSol could achieve such a feat! >> (typing through a petro-chemical haze)Thanks Robert ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 12:23:51 -0700 From: Charles Hart To: wwi Subject: Re: A7V Tank Message-ID: >I picked up an old RareTank (vacuform) 1/76 scale kit of the German A7V >this weekend. The roof has got what appears to be "grillework" on the >front and rear sections. This grillework is not formed very well, >with many of the openings plugged with plastic. Should this area >actually be opened up like a screen, as for crew compartment ventilation? > >Also, any references on details, finishes, etc. would be appreciated. >Now if I could just find a replacement for the vacuformed treads.... > >Paul A. Schwartzkopf This is indeed a Rare kit. I haven't seen one in I don't know how many years. Once upon a time, about the time this kit was produced, there was a Bellona print (i.e. drawing) of this beast published in 1/76. I used to have it, but lost track of it years ago. I'd be interested to know if there is another source for drawings of this machine as well. As for the vac treads, thought of scratchbuilding a couple of master links and casting the rest in resin ? You might even recover your costs by selling extras to the list. A thought. In a related vein, you might want to surf on over to: http://www.phd.msu.edu/storto/afv.htm This site is devoted to info and images of 1/76 and 1/72 scale armor. Enjoy. Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 11:32:31 -0800 (PST) From: Patrick Padovan To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Cross and Cockade USA Message-ID: Dear Matt: Mel Torme, aka "Velvet Fog." Can ya dig it, Daddy-o? Patrick ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Patrick Padovan Interlibrary Loan Associate Timberland Regional Library Voice: 360-943-5001 415 Airdustrial Way SW FAX: 360-586-6838 Olympia, WA 98501-5799 e-mail: ppadovan@timberland.lib.wa.us ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Sat, 1 Nov 1997 mbittner@juno.com wrote: > On Sat, 1 Nov 1997 15:06:26 -0500 Carlos Valdes > writes: > > >C&C USA: 1960-1985. > > A lot of people don't know this, but did you know there was a "big shot" > who was one of the founding members? Yep, it was Mel Torme, "Velvet > Voice" (or whatever his nickname is). > > > Matt Bittner > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 16:41:18 -0400 From: Alberto Rada To: wwi Subject: Re: Alberto's Pix Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971103164118.00d37924@pop.true.net> Thanks Andy On the tips, these photos where taken with a Ricoh RDC-2 Digital Camera, I have just had it for a short while, so I am still just experimenting, it has a two lenses equivalent to 35mm and 55 mm and of course macro mode up to 1cm. It is fully automatic, so you can not fiddle with the f . or time exposure, therefore you have to concentrate on light and light sources. There are two books, as far as I know , on the subject " How to photograph scale models " by Sheperd Paine and Lane Stewarand " Photography for the scalemodeller " by Pieter Stroethoff, the first one I found very little enlightning, they seem to know the subject but don't seem to know how to transmit it. Stroethoff's book is much better and does go through all the stages of model photography , the models are not as nice as Paine's ones, but you don't want to see models but learn on how to photograph them. Nevertheless, still this is just a base, you have to develop your own approach, just like modeling itself, you can learn and lend techniques from others ( specially on WW1 modeling list ) but you will come with your own solutions and touch, that's why you see a model and say , "Ah that's Hustad's or that's Casirati's etc. If there is interest on the subject, please let me know, and when I fiddle a bit more with it , I can try and put some ideas together and pass them on. My 1 peso SALUDOS ALBERTO At 06:08 PM 31-10-97 -0800, you wrote: >Alberto's models photographs on the WWI website are remarkable -- both the >models and the photography. Any special tips on the latter? > >-----------> Andy Hall > > > ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 741 *********************