WWI Digest 740 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: See-throught effect by Bob Pearson 2) Decals available by Rob Hickson 3) Re: New subscriber with alot of questions by Charles Hart 4) Re: New subscriber with alot of questions by "Sandy Adam" 5) Re: Albatros D.V silver fuselage by mgoodwin@ricochet.net 6) Re: Albatros D.V silver fuselage by Charles Hart 7) Re: New subscriber with alot of questions by Geoff Smith 8) Re: Albatros D.V silver fuselage by "Don RInker" 9) Possiblity for exchanges/ was need help from Brits by phoward@abilene.com (Paul Howard) 10) Re: 1/144 Gotha by Suvoroff 11) Re:Re: Need help from the Brits on this list by Pedro Nuno Soares 12) Re: See-throught effect by KarrArt@aol.com 13) Re: See-throught effect by KarrArt@aol.com 14) Re: 1/144 Gotha by John & Allison Cyganowski 15) Re: New subscriber with alot of questions by B-A-L 16) Re: Fee observer position by Mick Fauchon 17) Hanger by KarrArt@aol.com 18) Re: See-throught effect by John & Allison Cyganowski 19) Re: British Markings by Mick Fauchon 20) Re: British Markings by Mick Fauchon 21) Re: 1/144 Gotha by mgoodwin@ricochet.net 22) Sopwith Baby tail by knut.erik.hagen@login.eunet.no (Knut Erik Hagen) 23) Re: See-throught effect by KarrArt@aol.com 24) German Tent Hanger by KarrArt@aol.com 25) A trade, I hope? by ilyam@pipeline.com (Carl J. Bobrow) 26) Finned cyliders by Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton 27) Re: Fee observer position by Redwilde@bdsbbs.com (Redwilde) 28) Re: German Tent Hanger by Alberto Rada 29) Re: Masking by Mark K Nelson ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 07:01:36 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: See-throught effect Message-ID: <15013618608279@KAIEN.COM> David wrote . . > - Perhaps wire from an electrical solenoid would be better/ stronger - > Speaking of which, anyone out there know a scource for REALLY fine > steel or similar wire How about the wire used in a guitar pickup? This is quite fine (it would have to be to have couple thousand winding on a 3x1/2 inch magnet), although it may not be strong enough. Regards, Bob Pearson ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Nov 1997 10:36:59 -0600 From: Rob Hickson To: wwi Subject: Decals available Message-ID: <345CAC2B.30E@caa-archeology.org> Rob Hickson (rnhickson@caa-archeology.org) PO Box 141 Kampsville, IL 62053 I have a small selection of unused decal sheets available. Please include $1.00 postage. Americal/Gryphon No. 1 (revised) Kriegsmarine Camoflauge 1917-1918 1/72 $5.00 Americal/Gryphon No. 20 Five Color Lozenge Camoflauge 1917-1918 (Top) 1/48 $5.00 Americal/Gryphon No. 21 Five Color Lozenge Camoflauge 1917-1918 (Bottom) 1/48 $5.00 Americal/Gryphon No. 25 Alternate Lozenge (Top) 1917-1918 1/72 $5.00 Americal/Gryphon No. 33 Ubergangsformige Balkenkreuze (II) 1/48 $5.00 Americal/Gryphon No. 70 Luftfahrtruppe, Fliks 1-30 1/72 $5.00 Blue Rider No. BR210 K.U.K Luftfahrtruppe Flik Insignias 1/72 $5.00 Blue Rider No. BR501 (1989) Luftstreikrafte 2 1/48 $5.00 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 10:42:25 -0700 From: Charles Hart To: wwi Subject: Re: New subscriber with alot of questions Message-ID: Aidrian, down in CHCH, wrote: > >The engine details aren't quite such an issue - I can work from what I >have and from photos. However I find it easier to model any thing like >this from a good G.A since it gives you a feel for the way the real >thing goes together. Does any body else feel this way - that with >exposed engines the engine needs to be a scale model in its own right as >far as possible? Try building a BR2 from photos alone - most published >data gives you a weight and performance figures, togehter with a photo >if you are lucky, but never a useful dimension from which to prepare a >drawing. Some past issues of WWI Aeroplanes, a journal here in the US, have published dimensional drawings of miscellaneous WW I aero engines. What are you looking for ? I can check though my collection of issues (13 years worth). Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 18:59:05 -0000 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: New subscriber with alot of questions Message-ID: <199711021759.RAA19922@beryl.sol.co.uk> Of course no sooner had I replied to Aidrian re RR Eagles in F2A flying boats, than I happened on Jane's 1919 and found 3 pages of large photos and GA Drawings of this particular engine. The 1919 volume is better and clearer than the WW1 Aircraft reprint which is printed much smaller. HTH Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Nov 1997 10:07:25 -0800 From: mgoodwin@ricochet.net To: wwi Subject: Re: Albatros D.V silver fuselage Message-ID: <345CC15D.4CE7@ricochet.net> Joey Valenciano wrote: > My question is, what kind shade or colour did this finish have? Was it a > bright silver ala Nieuport or a greyish one ala Pfalz? Joey, Your guess might well be as good as anyone's. Cheers, Riordan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 12:26:23 -0700 From: Charles Hart To: wwi Subject: Re: Albatros D.V silver fuselage Message-ID: >Joey Valenciano wrote: >> My question is, what kind shade or colour did this finish have? Was it a >> bright silver ala Nieuport or a greyish one ala Pfalz? > >Joey, > >Your guess might well be as good as anyone's. > >Cheers, > >Riordan My suspicions are that the notion of a "silver-grey" finished Albatros fuselage come from early writings about Jasta 5 finishes. I'm not even certain that these Jasta's a/c were overpainted on their fuselages, though Americal/Gryphon's Jasta 5 instruction sheet maintains that this Jasta did overpaint the fuselages. However, I personally am very dubious about "factory" silver grey Albatros fuselages. My feeling is that this notion may have grown out of indistinct photos of Albatrai with muddied looking fuselage tones. In good clear photo prints varnished plywood finishes are pretty easy to spot. My US$ 0.02 worth. Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 14:27:43 -0500 From: Geoff Smith To: "INTERNET:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: New subscriber with alot of questions Message-ID: <199711021427_MC2-2677-93CB@compuserve.com> Aidrian wrote and Sandy replied: >> 2. Engine drawings - does any one know of a good source of drawings fo= r >> the engines. The MAP plan has a sketchy GA, but its a little hard to >> decipher >Welcome Aidrian >The best ref I know is the old Scale Models article from Dec77 by C Rupe= rt >Moore - but I reckon this may be the same set of drawings that you have got >from MAP? >If not, they include 3-view elevations of the RR Eagle engines which are= >reasonably clear. Also includes good 3-views and sections of the beachin= g >trolley. >Great subject, wish I could contemplate one, but at my rate of productio= n, >the model would likely outlast the builder!< Adrian, I spent yesterday morning taking photos of Rolls Royce engines, Eagle, Falcon & Hawk. If it'll help & Alan is willing, I can send him some for t= he web page when they're ready. At the UK nats yesterday aft I saw the resin= F.2 and Short 184 by TC Models. Both veeeery nice kits but at 70GBP & 39G= BP I can't stretch my pocket far enough. Yet. Regards, Geoff. Regards, Geoff ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 14:57:47 -0500 From: "Don RInker" To: Subject: Re: Albatros D.V silver fuselage Message-ID: <01bce7c9$97b9a4e0$3491f5ce@default> -----Original Message----- From: mgoodwin@ricochet.net To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Sunday, November 02, 1997 1:17 PM Subject: Re: Albatros D.V silver fuselage >Joey Valenciano wrote: >> My question is, what kind shade or colour did this finish have? Was it a >> bright silver ala Nieuport or a greyish one ala Pfalz? ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^ How did you come to this conclusion? Aren't you donning the top part of your color police uniform to make a blanket statement like that? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 14:12:36 -0600 From: phoward@abilene.com (Paul Howard) To: Subject: Possiblity for exchanges/ was need help from Brits Message-ID: <01bce7cb$a98256c0$69868ece@default> Sandy, This exchange/barter system would be very useful to some of us modelers. I think the main stipulation would have to be the understanding that these exchanges would almost invariably take more time than a direct purchase from a vendor, and that what is offered for exchange need only meet the "value" criteria of those involved. With the differences in cost and availabilty problems for some items in different parts of the world, flexability would have to be a key factor. I honestly believe, with the calibre of the people in this group, it could be a real benefit to everyone. Implementing a plan of attack might be kind of tough, but it would definately be worth the effort. The volume of Email seems to be a major problem with some of our users, and as such I would hesitate to just add those requests to list traffic. I would suggest that we find a volunteer to act as a clearinghouse for the requests. A single post by the clearinghouse person to the list would allow everyone to know there is a request. They could then email the clearinghouse manager for a copy of any requests. Any corespondence would then be between the parties involved without generating list traffic. The other thing that I would hesitate to do is to just put the requests on the web page. Keeping the barter system between list members would seem to be prudent. Casual passers by, or those with no interest in the wellbeing of the group, would be prevented from fouling up the works. This is only one possible way for the idea to work, and most subject to changes at the drop of a hat... Cheers, Paul H >HTH Sandy > >PS If anybody wants to set up some sort of exchange/barter system where I >can send UK stuff for equivalent value Americal transfers please let me >have any suggestions. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 15:15:51 EST From: Suvoroff To: wwi Subject: Re: 1/144 Gotha Message-ID: Skytrex makes a white metal Gotha, like all Skytrex offerings, it is kind of crude (wings are flat, etc.) but can be cleaned up well enough. These are mainly wargaming figures and so sturdiness is important, ie. struts very thick etc. I am currently making the Mamoli (another manufacturer of white metal kits) Bre.XIV, rigging this will be a real challenge. Conversely, I don't have to worry about the cockpit interior! The kit says it is a G.IV, but I don't have the sources to check the accuracy of that (or the outline, either) and I am not sure if it really needs lozenge or not, though the picture on the outside of the box shows lozenge. Yours, James D. Gray ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 20:13:00 +0100 From: Pedro Nuno Soares To: "'ww1 modeling list'" Subject: Re:Re: Need help from the Brits on this list Message-ID: <01BCE7D3.A981C0E0@fei1-p16.telepac.pt> Sandy wrote: >>BUT why buy Aeroclub from Hannants? - buy direct from John Adams = himself. He accepts Visa and Access (Mastercard) and only has minimum 5GBP order. = He also deducts UK VAT (17.5% tax) for US sales. This helps offset the 25% = US P&P (under 30GBP - 20% over 30GBP).>> Thanks a lot for your info Sandy. The only supplier of Aeroclub goods I = knew was Hannants and it would be impractical to order from them for the = reasons I explained on my previous message. Now if Aeroclub accepts direct orders and has a minimum tag of 5 GBP per = order my problem is solved.=20 >>(For EEC P&P under 7GBP is only 1GBP)>> Great!!!=20 >>I have been buying in person and by mail from John since I came back = to the hobby a few years back and have had consistently good and helpful = service always.I would probably buy from Aeroclub as first choice wherever possible. (No connection except as happy customer.)>> Thanks again Sandy. I'll let Mr. Adams know it was you who directed me = his way. >>Order by phone on (0)115-9670044 Fax (0)115-9671633>> No e-mail, by chance?? HTH Sandy Sure did. A million thanks. Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 16:57:45 -0500 (EST) From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: See-throught effect Message-ID: <971102161402_1467701886@emout06.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 97-11-02 08:50:30 EST, joeyval@philonline.com.ph writes: << This thread is very helpful for those with the Inpact "Fabulous Flying Machine" kits. Anyone know where an Inpact Bleriot can be bought? Also, have any of you tried the Harry Woodman method of making wire wheels in 1/48 scale? He uses a jig and weaves some monofilament then sandwiches the lot between two half wheels. Anyone done this successfully? Tell your story. >> Geez, I wish somebody would re-release those Inpact kits. I was lucky enough to get ahold of the Bleriot and it's a GREAT kit. The Woodman spoke method has always frightened me. Robert ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 17:20:40 -0500 (EST) From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: See-throught effect Message-ID: <971102163007_-1158071547@mrin46.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 97-11-01 22:27:54 EST, shingend@ix.netcom.com writes: << > I have seen this done once. FineScale Modeler, Vol. 8, No.7, November > 1990. The Reader's Gallery features a scratch built BE2c by Robert Karr > of Bell Gardens, CA. He photgraphed this thing through a glass sheet > against a blue sky and you can see right through the wings. A work of > art. The issue also features an article showing how to scratch build an >> Actually what made those wings look the way they did was the light reflecting up from the glass- BUT the tail surfaces were my first experiments in clear plastic construction. They were made from 1/16 clear styrene sheet, internal detail added to cast the appropriate shadows from within, and painted with translucent colors made by mixing with Floquil Glaze- a vile smelling and sticky substance with a thousand uses. Later, I started making wings using again 1/16 sheet styrene, drawing internal details such as wire bracing, spars etc. then KrazyGluing ribs of fishing line across the chord and building up the between-rib fabric sag with multiple multiple multiple coats of Floquil CrystalCote as a kind of clear filler.After letting this set for a couple of days,LOTS of wet sanding. Painting the mess with the translucent colors finished the wing.Actual hands-on construction time is not too bad but drying time for all the CrystalCote allows one time to do something else- such as dealing with The List! Robert Karr (and thanks for the good word about my lil 'ol BE ) not in Bell Gardens anymore ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Nov 1997 17:20:01 -0500 From: John & Allison Cyganowski To: wwi Subject: Re: 1/144 Gotha Message-ID: <345CFC91.52D@worldnet.att.net> Conversely, I don't have to worry about the cockpit interior! What? No throttle quadrant? John ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 09:14:29 +0000 From: B-A-L To: wwi Subject: Re: New subscriber with alot of questions Message-ID: <345D95F5.477@eis.net.au> Charles Hart wrote: > > Aidrian, down in CHCH, wrote: > > > > >The engine details aren't quite such an issue - I can work from what I have and from photos. However I find it easier to model any thing like this from a good G.A since it gives you a feel for the way the real thing goes together. Does any body else feel this way - that with exposed engines the engine needs to be a scale model in its own right as far as possible? Having just dumped two sets of nacelles for the dual Gotha GV project I'm about ( G IV and GVa ) because the Mercedes kit engines I had earmarked as moulding patterns ( Eduard AND a number of others !!! @##$#@@! ) were fully 1 scale foot short !! I'd have to agree with Charles AS TO FINNING THE CYLNDERS - It occurred to me the other day that using a small pipe cutter ( but on solid metal - brass and then blue to stop corrosion !!! ) might be a way of doing this awkward irksome job - Has anyone tried that idea or is it just too hard to get spacings right or is the cutter wheel just tooo thick ?? ( I don't fancy having to break down the tool and then grind the wheel to a very fine edge - I'd be apprehensive about the thing chipping in use !! ) REGARDS DAVID ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 10:21:33 +1100 (EST) From: Mick Fauchon To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Fee observer position Message-ID: Brian, > Mick wrote: > > While he *was* operating the weapon, he would need to mkove > around a fair bit, so fairly rigid constraint would be a hinderance. I'd > go > for some sort of life-line with a carbine-hook attached, and I've seen > evidence Just a small point of clarification here: I wasn't thinking strictly of the Fee. In fact I'd be quite confident that there would be no kind of restraint in the Fee at all. > > Well yes, but we'd also choose parachutes. Yes, well......two bodies + armament + fuel + two parachutes !?..... it doubt if the poor old thing would make it into the air. Especially in a head-wind 80) Apart from that, I doubt whether you could cram a body and a parachute into either cockpit. I gather that was one of the biggest constraints in their use, plus their weight, comments about official dis- approval [true or not, as that may be] notwithstanding. We're just that way. Yep, and with very good reason! 80) I've > never seen evidence of restraints for observers. Agreed. > I forget the source, but recall reading an account of an Italian > Caproni doing a loop (successfully), but unfortunately loosinga gunner > at the top of the loop. If you were quick enough, you could almost recover him at the bottom of the loop ............on second thoughts, I wouldn't try it in the Fee 80\ Just like the instructions in the observer's station in my car: "Get in, sit down, shut up, hang on!" Simple, but effective 80) Cheers, Mick. -- -- Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM M M M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M M M M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M M M MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 18:21:25 -0500 (EST) From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Hanger Message-ID: <971102165039_-2079900915@mrin44.mail.aol.com> And to my previous list of folks who asked for the German Hanger drawings- indeed yes Ken! We've had an unusually busy weekend and I'm trying to catch up on all this list business in one swell foop. As I sit sweltering in Southern California 100 degree F Santa Ana wind heat wave, I'm methodically going through almost 3 days of postings . Robert Karr ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Nov 1997 18:18:25 -0500 From: John & Allison Cyganowski To: wwi Subject: Re: See-throught effect Message-ID: <345D0A41.2FDB@worldnet.att.net> >Robert Karr (and thanks for the good word about my lil 'ol BE ) Let me pay hommage. Awesome! Clearly, only a man under the influence of DiaSol could achieve such a feat! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 10:25:29 +1100 (EST) From: Mick Fauchon To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: British Markings Message-ID: David, > ACH DU LIEBER HIMMEL UND ER KOMMT NOCH AUS AUSTRALIAN !!! Ja, auch noch. Oooooooh, I think I dectect a thread developing here. You might have to excuse us for a couple of posts, fellas 80) Cheers, Mick. -- -- Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM M M M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M M M M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M M M MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 10:37:07 +1100 (EST) From: Mick Fauchon To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: British Markings Message-ID: > David and Mick. > > Excuse me gentlemen but we have enough trouble with English on the list as > it is without introducing another :-) > > Regards, > Bob Sorry, Bob! 80( See, David, I knew this would happen 80) Cheers, Mick. -- -- Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM M M M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M M M M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M M M MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Nov 1997 15:55:00 -0800 From: mgoodwin@ricochet.net To: wwi Subject: Re: 1/144 Gotha Message-ID: <345D12D4.2DEF@ricochet.net> Suvoroff wrote: > The kit says it is a G.IV, but I don't have the sources to check the > accuracy of that (or the outline, either) and I am not sure if it really needs > lozenge or not, though the picture on the outside of the box shows lozenge. I'll chime in here and offer drawings and info on Gothas, one of my major WWI fetishes. G.IVs were generally a very pale blue overall (with the exception of LVG-built machines, which were finished in dk blue/'charcoal') with pale gray nacelles and crew initials painted on the fuselage. G.Vs generally had a hand-painted lozenge pattern applied, but some were covered with printed night lozenge fabric and there is evidence to suggest a very few were transitionally finished in the above G.IV scheme The most conspicuous difference between the IV an V were the nacelles, those of the IV housing fuel tanks as well as engines and being enclosed and attatched directly to the lower wing. The G.V on the other hand rectified the dangerous arrangement of fuel next to engines, placing the tankage within the fuselage or upper wing and had a semi-enclosed nacelle (with exposed cylinders) suspended between the upper and lower wings via struts. Copies of drawings are available from the list library. Cheers, Riordan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 01:15:29 +0100 (MET) From: knut.erik.hagen@login.eunet.no (Knut Erik Hagen) To: wwi Subject: Sopwith Baby tail Message-ID: <199711030015.BAA02496@login.eunet.no> Gentlemen, I was working on an Eduard 1/48 Sopwith Baby, hoping to finish it before the Norwegian IPMS competition next weekend. Tried to figure out where some of the fittings were to go around the tail, but could not get drawings and models to match. The fixed part of the vertical rudder extends on the kit some distance forward of the horizontal tail, but on the factory drawings they end at the same spot. Looking at pictures in the Datafile some British machines appear to have theirs extended a few inches forward, but most looks like the Norwegian ones. Someone out there who have built the kit earlier and can comment on this? Eders Knut Erik ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 19:50:06 -0500 (EST) From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: See-throught effect Message-ID: <971102163636_-22978936@emout07.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 97-11-01 09:29:33 EST, tomwerner.hansen@of.telia.no writes: << Has anybody tried vacforming a wing from clear plasticard? I'll try it when I've built my vacforming machine. Making the mold from the kit wing presents few problems. The tricky bit would probably be to get the pant job sufficiently even afterwards. Tom Werner Hansen > I've not tried it yet but I've been thinking about it for some time. My own method produces good results after just a little practice but there's got to be a better, less tedious and time consuming way.The vacuum way should be really great on smaller wings- I'm thinking about something like the Inpact Bleriot wing- if one could just vac over the kit wing , he could capture the true look especially in this case because the Inpact has fabulous wings- they're just not translucent. Robert Karr ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 19:52:28 -0500 (EST) From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi Subject: German Tent Hanger Message-ID: <971102164057_-1728198775@emout07.mail.aol.com> Greetings to Brian,John, Joey and Alberto- I'm still searching for those dwarings and when I find them I shall certainly see that you get them in an appropriate fashion. One day ( perhaps more accurately several weeks) I'm going to have to break down and index all my reference junk! Robert Karr ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 22:31:30 -0500 From: ilyam@pipeline.com (Carl J. Bobrow) To: wwi Subject: A trade, I hope? Message-ID: I hope this bit of crass self indulgence does not offend too many of you. I inadvertently purchased a second copy of the 1960 hard cover "Harleyford" publication "Air Aces of The 1914-1918 War" when in fact what I wanted was the hard cover "Harleyford" publication "Fighter Aircraft of The 1914-1918 War". Although it might be a long shot, what I am willing to do is to trade one for the other and to make it more palatable for those of you who might not want to part with your copy I am willing to add into the mix the Tab Books soft back second printing version too. That is a two for one deal, so if you have a copy and would like to own the Aces book and still have a copy of the Aircraft book here is your chance. cjb (*<* ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 14:59:32 +1300 From: Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Finned cyliders Message-ID: <199711030159.OAA29747@smurfy.gen.nz> Hi David >AS TO FINNING THE CYLNDERS - It occurred to me the other day that >using a small pipe cutter ( but on solid metal - brass and then blue >to stop corrosion !!! ) might be a way of doing this awkward irksome >job - Has anyone tried that idea or is it just too hard to get >spacings right or is the cutter wheel just tooo thick ?? ( I don't >fancy having to break down the tool and then grind the wheel to a very >fine edge - I'd be apprehensive about the thing chipping in use !! ) Well I ain't sure about using a pipe cutter - I think you'll find the effect too heavy, and it could too difficult to space the fiins consistently. Now this might sound like a cop out, but I use fine machine screws for this sort of thing. The fact that the threads are threads and not separate fins is almost undetectable if you get a fine enough screw. The real problem is that fins (in the sort of scales we deal in) become vanishingly fine - perhaps this is a cop out, but I can live with a slightly coarse effect, provided the balance between highlight and shadow is right they eye is fooled by the overall impression. They tend to be plated steel so no painting needed, and you can solder rocker ars and what have you very successfully to the bare steel end.. Since all models are to some extent a subterfuge, substituting wood plastics and resin for wire metal and cloth, I will accept an impression rather than 100% fidelity. Indeed since I work in wood on occasion there are questions about the dimensional stability of bits of dead tree that might preclude the concept of an accurate scale model except with reference to a particular time and date - remember that the effects of humidity on my lump of timber were also present in the full size beast. Do you really want to go to the extent of a model of S/Lt Snoopy's Camel at 3.30 pm on a warm autumn afternoon at 70% R.H. and 23 deg celsius? Get it so that the model looks right and only Mr Fussy will find fault. You have all met Mr Fussy, he is the type that always knows that Robey built shorts were fitted with single pin snog-blasters instead of two slot crinklepins. Never built a model yet, but knows what's wrong with yours! USE SCREWS AND DAMN THE CRITICS, unless you have a screwcutting lathe in which case you can make your own really fine threads to whatever size you choose Cheers. Aidrian ******************************************************************************* * Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton. * * Connector Systems Ltd, Christchurch NZ * * Ph 03 366-7839, 02175924(mobile), 03 355 3341(Pte) * * Fax 03 36678471 * ******************************************************************************* Any opinions expressed are my own fault. ------------------------------ Date: 2 Nov 1997 23:03:00 EDT From: Redwilde@bdsbbs.com (Redwilde) To: wwi Subject: Re: Fee observer position Message-ID: <87853526536043@bdsbbs.com> Joey Valenciano wrote: >I recall reading somewhere that RFC airmen were not issued parachutes (only balloonmen had them) because the Brass Hats felt that the pilots would too easily loose their nerve with this equipment strapped on. Can anybody confirm this? Correct. The feeling was that the pilots would abandon still serviceable aircraft and that the parachutes would be bad for morale. The Germans didn't start using them until around mid-'18. It took awhile to work out the mechanics of making the chute small enough to fit in the cockpit. The balloonists chutes were rather bulky static-line affairs. Brian RW ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Nov 1997 22:29:54 -0400 From: Alberto Rada To: wwi Subject: Re: German Tent Hanger Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971102222954.006d9e38@pop.true.net> Hi Robert Then it won't be fun any more SALUDOS ALBERTO At 07:56 PM 02-11-97 -0500, you wrote: > Greetings to Brian,John, Joey and Alberto- I'm still searching for those >dwarings and when I find them I shall certainly see that you get them in an >appropriate fashion. >One day ( perhaps more accurately several weeks) I'm going to have to break >down and index all my reference junk! > Robert Karr > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 22:44:02 -0700 From: Mark K Nelson To: wwi Subject: Re: Masking Message-ID: I like the Tamiya tape myself. It cuts to shape easily (paper tape) comes in three widths, is thin enough so you can see panel line through it (if you hold it up to a light) it's low-tack enough to rarely lift paint, and it doesn't leave "glue" behind! >Riordan,John,Bill, Bob and John > Hhhmmmm, plain old Scotch "magic " tape, huh? OK, I'll give it a >shot. One worry is that the stuff will pull off the paint on the covered >area...skin oil is all it takes to prevent this? >Thanks a lot. >Mike Muth _____________________________________________________________________ Mark (An Employee at Kites & Other Delights in West Edmonton Mall) ------------------------ mnelson@v-wave.com ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 740 *********************