WWI Digest 739 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Hans Waldhausen. by Mick Fauchon 2) 1/285th lozenge by Redwilde@bdsbbs.com (Redwilde) 3) Re: Fee observer position by Redwilde@bdsbbs.com (Redwilde) 4) Chandelle by "Rob" 5) Albatros D.V silver fuselage by Joey Valenciano 6) Re: Fee observer position by Joey Valenciano 7) Re: 1/285th lozenge by Joey Valenciano 8) Re: British Markings by B-A-L 9) Re: New subscriber with alot of questions by B-A-L 10) Re: British Markings by Bob Pearson 11) Re: Fee observer position by "Sandy Adam" 12) Re: Need help from the Brits on this list by "Sandy Adam" 13) Re: New subscriber with alot of questions by Bob Pearson 14) Re: See-throught effect by B-A-L 15) Re: British Markings by B-A-L 16) Re: British Markings by Bob Pearson 17) Re: New subscriber with alot of questions by B-A-L 18) Re: 1/285th lozenge by Suvoroff@aol.com 19) Re: 1/285th lozenge by Bob Pearson 20) Re: 1/285th lozenge by Suvoroff@aol.com 21) Chandelle images? by Joey Valenciano 22) Re: British Markings by Joey Valenciano 23) Re: See-throught effect by Joey Valenciano 24) Re: 1/285th lozenge by Joey Valenciano 25) Re: Need help from the Brits on this list by Joey Valenciano 26) 1/144 Gotha by Joey Valenciano 27) Re: British Markings by Bob Pearson 28) Dazzled by Felixstowes by Bob Pearson 29) Re: See-throught effect by B-A-L 30) Re: New subscriber with alot of questions by B-A-L ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 16:04:02 +1100 (EST) From: Mick Fauchon To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Hans Waldhausen. Message-ID: > Thanks, Mick. When I did the plane, I know it was in color on the back of > something! Thanks, Mike. Just what I need: a clue! Now I'll probably spend the next three weeks looking for it! 80) Anyway, it made into a nice looking model, even if I did use the > old Aurora DVa kit. "Even"?! What: "Even"?!! It's not a bad old kit, despite the caning it's been getting recently, if you don't mind putting a lot of work into it. It certainly is a challenge 80) Cheers, Mick. -- -- Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM M M M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M M M M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M M M MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ------------------------------ Date: 2 Nov 1997 02:36:00 EDT From: Redwilde@bdsbbs.com (Redwilde) To: wwi Subject: 1/285th lozenge Message-ID: <87845621884019@bdsbbs.com> WW>Original Sender: Joey Valenciano WW>How about this: WW>Make artwork for lozenges, in a computer program. WW>Scale it down to 285th scale and print it on decal paper. WW>Paint the whole wing white. WW>Apply the decal. WW>:-) WW>********************************************************************* WW>Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, WW>joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist WW>tel. (632) 921-26-75 WW>Metro-Manila, Philippines WW> "The more you know, the more you don't know." WW>********************************************************************* Intriguing idea. I currently have my decals printed by Microscale. Their quality is just superb; verythin film and the registration is usuallly pretty tight. I'll keep my eyes out though for decal film/paper that's suitable for running through the printer. Brian RW ------------------------------ Date: 2 Nov 1997 02:42:52 EDT From: Redwilde@bdsbbs.com (Redwilde) To: wwi Subject: Re: Fee observer position Message-ID: <87845658058020@bdsbbs.com> Mick wrote: > While he *was* operating the weapon, he would need to mkove around a fair bit, so fairly rigid constraint would be a hinderance. I'd go for some sort of life-line with a carbine-hook attached, and I've seen evidence Well yes, but we'd also choose parachutes. We're just that way. I've never seen evidence of restraints for observers. Col. Hartney's book, Up & At 'Em, has an entertaining account of how the Fee gunner would almost fall out of the cockpit in one maneuver (by the description I think it would be a stall turn or renversement as they called it, a hammerhead by WWII jargon) but got scooped back in at the last moment. I forget the source, but recall reading an account of an Italian Caproni doing a loop (successfully), but unfortunately loosinga gunner at the top of the loop. Brian RW ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 00:37:32 +0000 From: "Rob" To: wwi Subject: Chandelle Message-ID: <199711020746.CAA28914@marconi.concentric.net> The long-delayed new issue of the aviation-history webzine Chandelle is now up at . ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 17:05:05 +0800 From: Joey Valenciano To: wwi Subject: Albatros D.V silver fuselage Message-ID: <199711020905.RAA10673@fiesta.philonline.com.ph> Greetings all, Some Albatros D.V's went to the front with their fuselages finished in a silver colour. My question is, what kind shade or colour did this finish have? Was it a bright silver ala Nieuport or a greyish one ala Pfalz? ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 18:00:53 +0800 From: Joey Valenciano To: wwi Subject: Re: Fee observer position Message-ID: <199711021000.SAA16963@fiesta.philonline.com.ph> At 02:47 AM 11/2/97 -0500, you wrote: >Well yes, but we'd also choose parachutes. We're just that way. I recall reading somewhere that RFC airmen were not issued parachutes (only balloonmen had them) because the Brass Hats felt that the pilots would too easily loose their nerve with this equipment strapped on. Can anybody confirm this? ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 18:00:51 +0800 From: Joey Valenciano To: wwi Subject: Re: 1/285th lozenge Message-ID: <199711021000.SAA16960@fiesta.philonline.com.ph> At 02:40 AM 11/2/97 -0500, you wrote: >Intriguing idea. I currently have my decals printed by Microscale. >Their quality is just superb; verythin film and the registration is >usuallly pretty tight. I'll keep my eyes out though for decal >film/paper that's suitable for running through the printer. Brian, Brian, That's what you get for not joining the list soon enough. A couple of weeks back there was a discussion on printing decals on clear decal film. One of the outcomes of this discussion is me, drawing up some artwork to replace the erroneous Dragon decals of the Eduard Alb.C.III kit. Bob Pearson gave me the correct artwork and I am in the process of cleaning the drawings up. So far, what I have looks very good. It's just taking me some time because I'm trying to include every little curve that goes into the artwork (plus, I want to continue making models on the side!) If you do want some lozenge artwork in 1/285th scale, I have these done already: 4 colour top & bottom, 5 colour top & bottom, 5 colour night camo, naval hexagons (grey & brown patterns) All I need do is shrink the artwork to the proper scale, paste adjacent "bolts of cloth" to get a wider area of coverage, and print away! I made the artwork because I paint my own lozenge in 1/48th scale and needed to SEE the colours side by side in a lozenge pattern to make sure I got the shades I wanted. I have posted an article on how I do this some time back. I'm trying to get the article together with matching images for Chandelle (haven't forgotten, Robert). I have successfully painted a Fok.D.VIII, Fok.D.VII, and a SSW.D.III this way. ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Nov 1997 21:25:57 +0000 From: B-A-L To: wwi Subject: Re: British Markings Message-ID: <345CEFE5.2A2D@eis.net.au> Mick Genau ! ACH DU LIEBER HIMMEL UND ER KOMMT NOCH AUS AUSTRALIAN !!! Regards DAVID ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Nov 1997 21:34:13 +0000 From: B-A-L To: wwi Subject: Re: New subscriber with alot of questions Message-ID: <345CF1D5.6348@eis.net.au> Aidrian, VAC FORM @###@! Don't listen to them !!! ( Sorry Bob, I need a fellow sufferer - and Aidrian is so handy - just across the Tasman ) Keep scratch Building !!! REGARDS DAVID ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 03:35:05 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: British Markings Message-ID: <11350510908142@KAIEN.COM> David and Mick. Excuse me gentlemen but we have enough trouble with English on the list as it is without introducing another :-) Regards, Bob sl (still listening): Dusty Springfield Anthology disc 3 ---------- > From: B-A-L > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: British Markings > Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 06:26:49 -0500 > > Mick > > Genau ! > > ACH DU LIEBER HIMMEL UND ER KOMMT NOCH AUS AUSTRALIAN !!! > > Regards > > DAVID ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 12:31:31 -0000 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: Fee observer position Message-ID: <199711021131.LAA15418@beryl.sol.co.uk> > > I recall reading somewhere that RFC airmen were not issued parachutes (only > balloonmen had them) because the Brass Hats felt that the pilots would too > easily loose their nerve with this equipment strapped on. Can anybody > confirm this? > This is a whole subject in itself, but yes, there has always been an attribution of this attitude to Staff officers. There were many other factors however. Interesting that this same argument was levelled in WW2 - where the Lancaster's escape hatches, for example, were said to be designed small, to be very difficult to exit the plane through - to discourage windy crews taking the easy(!!??!!) option. Personally its not just my nerves that would be "loose", my bowels would be in a fairly liquid state too! Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 12:20:36 -0000 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: Need help from the Brits on this list Message-ID: <199711021131.LAA15413@beryl.sol.co.uk> I've fought shy of asking members on the other side of the Atlantic to buy things for me as it would probably get rather difficult to manage. With minimum commission rates making buying foreign currency expensive, I have always found credit cards offer the best solution - best exchange rates, ease of use, and some comeback if any problems. This unfortunately isn't possible however with people like Sierra and Americal/Gryphon. Buying from UK however you will find that most suppliers offer CC purchasing and low minimum orders. Hannants are the main problem here as their mins are high and P&P rates are expensive - of course they have such a large catalogue they can get away with it. I however only buy by mail from them when I absolutely have to. BUT why buy Aeroclub from Hannants? - buy direct from John Adams himself. He accepts Visa and Access (Mastercard) and only has minimum 5GBP order. He also deducts UK VAT (17.5% tax) for US sales. This helps offset the 25% US P&P (under 30GBP - 20% over 30GBP). (For EEC P&P under 7GBP is only 1GBP) I have been buying in person and by mail from John since I came back to the hobby a few years back and have had consistently good and helpful service always.I would probably buy from Aeroclub as first choice wherever possible. (No connection except as happy customer.) Order by phone on (0)115-9670044 Fax (0)115-9671633 HTH Sandy PS If anybody wants to set up some sort of exchange/barter system where I can send UK stuff for equivalent value Americal transfers please let me have any suggestions. ---------- > From: Pedro Nuno Soares > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Need help from the Brits on this list > Date: 01 November 1997 20:52 > > Hi guys, > > Is any of you Brits on the list willing to help me with a small problem? > > I need a couple of Aeroclub parts for my Airfix 1/72nd Roland but mail = > order won't work since Hannants only accepts orders for more than 30GBP. = > All I need is a Mercedes 160 hp engine (Aeroclub ref: ABE020) and = > parabellum mgs (ABG004). > > The total cost of these two items should be about 2 pounds. So if any of = > you guys is willing to help, I'd send you the money in cash after = > knowing how much was spent not only on the parts but also on p&p and = > I'd be forever grateful. > > Thanks a lot > > Pedro > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 03:38:41 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: New subscriber with alot of questions Message-ID: <11384194008144@KAIEN.COM> David, No offense taken - I did my time on scratchbuilts before I discovered vacs and someday I *WILL DO* that Dolphin as a scratchbuilt just to keep my hand in. Bob ---------- > From: B-A-L > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: New subscriber with alot of questions > Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 06:35:15 -0500 > > Aidrian, > > VAC FORM @###@! > > Don't listen to them !!! ( Sorry Bob, I need a fellow sufferer - and > Aidrian is so handy - just across the Tasman ) > > Keep scratch Building !!! > > REGARDS > > DAVID ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Nov 1997 21:40:59 +0000 From: B-A-L To: wwi Subject: Re: See-throught effect Message-ID: <345CF36B.7376@eis.net.au> Tom, Funny you should mention this - Robert Karr and I have just had a short exhcange about this to achieve that effect you are seeking - He and I have both used Clear - Robert has used solid material and I am experimenting with a built up wing ( using clear on a framed fuselage is easy - and very effective as long as you are careful about the design - A wacking great big 40 thou "spine " rather spoils the whole effect !) DAVID ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Nov 1997 21:54:23 +0000 From: B-A-L To: wwi Subject: Re: British Markings Message-ID: <345CF68F.E17@eis.net.au> Bob Mick Es konnte immer schlecter sein, nicht wahr ? David ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 03:54:17 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: British Markings Message-ID: <11541721508164@KAIEN.COM> Oh great, now I have to find that #$%&* dictionary :-) Bob ---------- > From: B-A-L > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: British Markings > Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 06:54:45 -0500 > > Bob Mick > > Es konnte immer schlecter sein, nicht wahr ? > > David ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Nov 1997 22:01:30 +0000 From: B-A-L To: wwi Subject: Re: New subscriber with alot of questions Message-ID: <345CF83A.2EBE@eis.net.au> Bob Good man - I just knew that Handriot Etc... you mentioned before must have kept the scratchy juices moving - Couldn't I tempt you with say an Alb W 7 ??? Iv'e even kept the fuselage, float and wing templates for you ! Think of it as suitable nemesis for the F 2A - Now Iv'e done it - some party pooper is going to tell me that there was never a recorded combat between these two types ... Oh well ... Kind Regards DAVID ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 07:17:43 -0500 (EST) From: Suvoroff@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: 1/285th lozenge Message-ID: <971102071742_-1728238715@emout04.mail.aol.com> Joey; So then you could make 1/144th lozenge just as easily? There are a few people on this list who do 1/144th scale besides me, I think. Yours, James D. Gray ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 04:28:02 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: 1/285th lozenge Message-ID: <12280204708181@KAIEN.COM> James et al, As we are doing this for our own uses and not for sale, I could scan in some Aeromaster or Pegasus lozenge, reduce it to either 1/144 or 1/288 (close enough Brian?) and email it to you to print out. Regards, Bob Pearson ---------- > From: Suvoroff@aol.com > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: 1/285th lozenge > Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 07:21:35 -0500 > > Joey; > So then you could make 1/144th lozenge just as easily? There are a few > people on this list who do 1/144th scale besides me, I think. > > Yours, > James D. Gray ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 08:24:09 -0500 (EST) From: Suvoroff@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: 1/285th lozenge Message-ID: <971102082408_-190236658@emout11.mail.aol.com> Quoth Bob: "As we are doing this for our own uses and not for sale, I could scan in some Aeromaster or Pegasus lozenge, reduce it to either 1/144 or 1/288 scale and email it to you to print out." Bob; The results would look funny on my 24dot B&W printer. Besides, when I really need any (I have the 1/144th Gotha, and a couple DV's) I could probably just buy some 1/72nd scale (being multiscalular, it would not go to waste) and print it out for myself on some blank decal film at 50%. Thanks for the offer, though. Yours, James D. Gray ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 21:54:12 +0800 From: Joey Valenciano To: wwi Subject: Chandelle images? Message-ID: <199711021354.VAA09926@fiesta.philonline.com.ph> Robert (Johnson), Where are the images for the previous issue? Did you remove them? The articles load without the images. ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 21:54:00 +0800 From: Joey Valenciano To: wwi Subject: Re: British Markings Message-ID: <199711021354.VAA09882@fiesta.philonline.com.ph> At 06:54 AM 11/2/97 -0500, you wrote: >Es konnte immer schlecter sein, nicht wahr ? Ano ba ang pinagsasabi ninyo, Dyos ko day! ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 21:54:03 +0800 From: Joey Valenciano To: wwi Subject: Re: See-throught effect Message-ID: <199711021354.VAA09890@fiesta.philonline.com.ph> At 06:41 AM 11/2/97 -0500, you wrote: >Funny you should mention this - Robert Karr and I have just had a >short exhcange about this to achieve that effect you are seeking - He >and I have both used Clear - Robert has used solid material and I am >experimenting with a built up wing ( using clear on a framed fuselage >is easy - and very effective as long as you are careful about the >design - A wacking great big 40 thou "spine " rather spoils the whole >effect !) This thread is very helpful for those with the Inpact "Fabulous Flying Machine" kits. Anyone know where an Inpact Bleriot can be bought? Also, have any of you tried the Harry Woodman method of making wire wheels in 1/48 scale? He uses a jig and weaves some monofilament then sandwiches the lot between two half wheels. Anyone done this successfully? Tell your story. ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 21:54:07 +0800 From: Joey Valenciano To: wwi Subject: Re: 1/285th lozenge Message-ID: <199711021354.VAA09910@fiesta.philonline.com.ph> At 07:21 AM 11/2/97 -0500, you wrote: So then you could make 1/144th lozenge just as easily? There are a few >people on this list who do 1/144th scale besides me, I think. Yes, of course! I have made lozenge stencil patterns for my painting method in 1/48th scale. I rescaled it in all the popular scales (1/28, 32, 72, 144) just to see how the lozenge looked in that scale. But of course you're not talking about this painting method, right? :-) Yes, 1/144th PRINTED lozenge is a real possibility. I'm now trying to think of as many ways to apply this Computer drawing - inkjet printer combination to the extreme. The biggest problem is that you'll need a white surface to apply the colour printed decals. With simple geometrically shaped this is not so big a problem, just paint a white circle, square, etc. first. But with more irregularly shaped insignia (like Jacob's devil/angel) this gets a bit more complicated. But with lozenge fabric that covers the whole wing, it can easily be done! Tell me if you're interested and we'll discuss making the decals. BTW, I'm interested in 1/144 scale as well but don't know where to get the kits. I've scaled down some drawings and the planes look real neat in that scale. Possibly even nicer in 1/285th. ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 21:54:05 +0800 From: Joey Valenciano To: wwi Subject: Re: Need help from the Brits on this list Message-ID: <199711021354.VAA09900@fiesta.philonline.com.ph> I for one want to try to get Datafiles straight from the source. But I can make sense of Rommel's (oops, I mean Rimmel's) Shipping charges. Can anyone help? At least to explain how the postage works. Plus, I can't buy GB currency over here, only US$ :-( ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 22:00:06 +0800 From: Joey Valenciano To: wwi Subject: 1/144 Gotha Message-ID: <199711021400.WAA10707@fiesta.philonline.com.ph> At 08:28 AM 11/2/97 -0500, you wrote: > The results would look funny on my 24dot B&W printer. Besides, when I >really need any (I have the 1/144th Gotha Who makes a 1/144 Gotha? ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 06:05:09 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: British Markings Message-ID: <14050941608234@KAIEN.COM> Oh come on now, I am still stuck on the last one :-) ---------- > From: Joey Valenciano > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: British Markings > Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 08:52:56 -0500 > > At 06:54 AM 11/2/97 -0500, you wrote: > > >Es konnte immer schlecter sein, nicht wahr ? > > Ano ba ang pinagsasabi ninyo, Dyos ko day! > > > ********************************************************************* > > Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, > joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist > tel. (632) 921-26-75 > Metro-Manila, Philippines > > "The more you know, the more you don't know." > > ********************************************************************* > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 06:14:21 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Dazzled by Felixstowes Message-ID: <14142188108242@KAIEN.COM> Aidrian and other Felixstowe fans, According to Austin Robinson (who should know as he flew them) the painting of the Felixstowes was entirely an affair of the summer and autumn 1918. And that they were painted with dazzle schemes, not as an attempt at camouflage, but the exact opposite - to make them recognizable at a glance in the air and (as importantly) to be able to see a downed boat at sea. Apparently only one or two boats were painted as such prior to June 4 1918, when on this date three Felixstowe based boats and two from Great Yarmouth were involved in a fight with German seaplanes. One of the Yarmouth boats (either N4298 or N4289) was painted in red/yellow stripes and was the only one easily recognized of the five boats concerned. After this the others crews were allowed to paint their boats in similarly garish colours and patterns. The profiles I sent were based on the article in C&C(INT) 21/4, however I have been involved in correspondence with Stuart Leslie and he has pointed out some mistakes in the article, mostly involved in boat I.D.s. He is sending me some photos of the various boats and I will try to update the serials when they arrive. One way to tell that the photo is taken in the fall (or later) of 1918 is the appearance of the open cockpit on F2As. This was originally a field mod made by the crews at the Felixstowe and Great Yarmouth NASs during the Summer of 1918, and it wasn't until mid-October that the first production boats with open cockpits began to appear. In the 21/4 article 12 of the 16 boats have open cockpits so are obviously post RNAS, while it is REMOTELY possible that some of the others may have been painted prior to the amalgamation of RNAS/RFC, I tend to think it unlikely. However I welcome any evidence to the contrary. ---------------- Further reading on the Felixstowes can be found in the following issues of C&C (GB/INT) 11/1 Recognition of First War Flying Boats: Austin Robinson; also includes corrections to errors on recognition in other published sources. 21/4 HIgh Visibility Colour Schemes: Adrian Vicary; has drawings and photos of 16 dazzle boats 22/2, 22/3, 24/1 all contain corrections to the Vicary article 27/4 Aspects of the RNAS: Peter Wright; FSL Boultings time on various boats at Felixstowe NAS Regards, Bob Pearson tb (thinking about building) MY FELIXSTOWE np (painting): nothing, three Hannovers left the factory yesterday nl: still the same thing as the last day or so. . . Dusty Springfield Anthology ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 00:48:23 +0000 From: B-A-L To: wwi Subject: Re: See-throught effect Message-ID: <345D1F57.7CC4@eis.net.au> Joey I have given it a go, but was not entirely happy with the results - Undoubtedly my failing in the execution rather than the method - But I found that using really fine wire ( such as that you can get from telephone wiring can be stitched satisfactorily if you use great care - Perhaps wire from an electrical solenoid would be better/ stronger - Speaking of which, anyone out there know a scource for REALLY fine steel or similar wire - basically anything stronger than copper - Prefer something that isn't a special mail order if possible If you want to look at a stunningly executed methodology - Try Gerald Wingrove's book - I do not have the exact title but its about scratch building model cars - This fellow even gets the lacing of his wheel wires in the correct staggered configurations - the man's an artist but time is the enemy of us all and spending the time this man must to get the result is something I could never justify ! Regards DAVID ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 00:57:53 +0000 From: B-A-L To: wwi Subject: Re: New subscriber with alot of questions Message-ID: <345D2191.4532@eis.net.au> BOB, DID YOU GET MY NOTE OF " AEROPLANE'S " ARTICLES ON THE F 2A - David ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 739 *********************