WWI Digest 735 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: British Markings - A-B info by "Sandy Adam" 2) Re: British Markings by Bob Pearson 3) Re: Nie.17bis versus Nie.24 by mbittner@juno.com 4) Re: more Nieuports by mbittner@juno.com 5) Colour Policeman (was RE: Silbergrau) by "Paul Schwartzkopf" 6) Introduction by Redwilde@bdsbbs.com (Redwilde) 7) Re: back from London by Joey Valenciano 8) Re: more Nieuports by Joey Valenciano 9) Pfalz D.VIII, Tom's Modelworks, Review by Joey Valenciano 10) Re: more Nieuports by The Shannons 11) Re: Pfalz Pfuselage/Glencoephiles by KarrArt@aol.com 12) Re: back from London by TPTPUMPER@aol.com 13) Re: Silbergrau/ Color police etc. Atn: Shane by KarrArt@aol.com 14) Re: Silbergrau vs. Nieuport Aluminum by Patrick Padovan 15) Re: New Thread by rjray@uswest.com (Randy J. Ray) 16) back from London by Brian Nicklas 17) Squadron DC store by Charles Hart 18) Re: Introduction by Bob Pearson 19) Alberto's Models by aew (Allan Wright) 20) Re: WINDSOCK DATA FILES FOR SALE by Patrick Padovan 21) MPM Brandenburg W.29 (part 4) by Shane Weier 22) Re: Introduction by bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 23) Great work guys by Pedro Nuno Soares 24) Book on Guynemer by Pedro Nuno Soares 25) Re: Windsock Data Files for sale: by DavidL1217@aol.com 26) Re: British Markings by B-A-L 27) am I here? by KarrArt@aol.com 28) Re: British Markings by Bob Pearson ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 10:59:36 -0000 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: British Markings - A-B info Message-ID: <199710301000.KAA12508@beryl.sol.co.uk> > >Where can I find this book! > > > >Mike Denest > The book "The Se-5 File" can be purchased directly from Air-Britain. > Check out their Web site: http://www.air-brit.demon.co.uk/ > I have ordered directly from them in the past with very good service. > They take credit cards and have phone and FAX numbers for ordering if Air > Mail is too slow. A couple of their WW I related books on Royal Navy a/c > are on sale for about US$16.00 plus shipping. Both are excellent values. > Charles If I can just add that members of C&C get a substantial discount on the non-sale items which reduces the Camel and SE5 files by about 20-25% Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 02:33:59 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: British Markings Message-ID: <10335980701095@KAIEN.COM> Sandy Adam wrote. . . > I would also suggest that most members of this list > would not find such practices as "peculiar" or "odd" but laudable and wish > that we could do the same for every WW1 aircraft, irrespective of National > origin. I'm sure if a tome were to appear doing the same for the Albatros > D-series I would search in vain for references to the peculiarity or oddity > of such a concept. ---------------- Sandy (and others), I also applaud those who kept such records and another fine source is the truly excellent book "Die Albatros (OEFFAG)-Jagdflugzeuge der KuK Fuftfahrtruppe" which contains a history of each A-H Albatros built. Although in German the pertinent details can be deciphered. Regards. Bob Pearson nb: nothing, they are all in boxes again :-( nl: Melanie Doane: Shakespearean Fish np: (now painting): three Hannovers ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 04:45:58 -0600 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Nie.17bis versus Nie.24 Message-ID: <19971030.044746.4358.4.mbittner@juno.com> On Wed, 29 Oct 1997 22:10:28 -0500 Charles Hart writes: > It looks as though the cowling of the Ni. 24 and 24 bis has a > greater chord than the cowlings found on the Ni-17 bis. Ah yes. I had forgot about that, since the Nie.17bis went with the Clerget, while the Nie.24 used the Le Rhone. Thanks, Charles. Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 04:47:45 -0600 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: more Nieuports Message-ID: <19971030.044746.4358.5.mbittner@juno.com> On Wed, 29 Oct 1997 23:22:12 -0500 Charles Hart writes: > Does anyone out there have a reference for drawings of the > Nieuport 10? Surprisingly, this is not included in the > Albatros volumes on Nieuport Fighters. The old Scale Models series on Nieuports had scale drawings. It was in Scale Models, February 1981. I can provide you a copy of a copy, if you want. Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 07:46:50 +0000 From: "Paul Schwartzkopf" To: wwi Subject: Colour Policeman (was RE: Silbergrau) Message-ID: <199710301352.HAA09452@tscrypt1.transcrypt.com> Charles asked: > what does a Colour Policeman wear under his kilt ? Probably his nightstick. > And what colour is it ? Can't comment firsthand on this one, but I'm sure it is "the correct shade". I'm wondering if it isn't undersized for the scale... :-) Paul A. Schwartzkopf =================================================================== Development Engineer--Software Transcrypt International, Inc. Telephone: (402) 474-4800 E-Mail: pauls@transcrypt.com =================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: 30 Oct 1997 11:32:32 EDT From: Redwilde@bdsbbs.com (Redwilde) To: wwi Subject: Introduction Message-ID: <87822916794010@bdsbbs.com> Hi folks, Bob Pearson recommended that I join this list and I took him up on the idea. To introduce myself, I publish the tabletop miniatures wargame, Hostile Aircraft and an accompanying line of 1/285 scale cast metal figures and decals. My modeling skills are a bit different than that of kit-building; I carve the master figures of the planes out of styrene plastic and then have molds made from them. Questions that I'm likely to poe to this list will tend towards the fairly obscure, as I'm at the point now of adding decals of squadron markings for a variety of nations, national insignia for post-Armistice Eastern European conflicts, and fun accessories like hangars. Which leads me to two obscure questions that I've been chasing for awhile: I produce a resin cast model of the Bessonneau Hangar based on the drawings in Aircraft Archive Vol.III. Does anyone have a clue what color(s) the hangars were? I presume they were some shade of khaki? Were they ever done in a camoflage pattern? I'd also like to do a model of the German peaked roof tent hangar. Is there any source of scale drawings for these? Do they have a name? What color(s) are they? Thanks, Brian Reddington-Wilde ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 00:28:04 +0800 From: Joey Valenciano To: wwi Subject: Re: back from London Message-ID: <199710301628.AAA25151@fiesta.philonline.com.ph> At 05:12 PM 10/29/97 -0500, you wrote: >I'm back from Paradise! >wonderfull museums, nice weather, great aircraft ( I fall in love with that >Se5 at Hendon) lot of photo, and last but not least, a 20 min. flight on a >Dragon Rapide DH89 at Duxford!!!WOW >Regards Hi Franco, Welcome back. ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 00:28:01 +0800 From: Joey Valenciano To: wwi Subject: Re: more Nieuports Message-ID: <199710301628.AAA25139@fiesta.philonline.com.ph> At 11:21 PM 10/29/97 -0500, you wrote: > Does anyone out there have a reference for drawings of the Nieuport 10 >? Surprisingly, this is not included in the Albatros volumes on Nieuport >Fighters. There's a 1/48 3 view, w/ fuselage cross sections by Ian Stair in the FMP Ruski book. If you need, I can send. ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 00:28:20 +0800 From: Joey Valenciano To: wwi Subject: Pfalz D.VIII, Tom's Modelworks, Review Message-ID: <199710301628.AAA25220@fiesta.philonline.com.ph> Flash! To add to the my review of Tom's 1/48 resin Pfalz D.VIII. I just received the engine today. In the interest of making my report complete, I'd like to comment on the part: The engine is resin and moulded in a 2 part mould. There's a lot of flash between the cylinders but I imagine that this can be cleaned up with little problem. Both sides of the mould were in perfect register on my copy so I expect that the cylinders will come out nice when cleaned of flash. I think the detail is nice and crisp. Thank God that there are no rocker arms moulded in, but you'll have to make them from sprue or wire (no problem). ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 10:56:12 -0600 From: The Shannons To: wwi Subject: Re: more Nieuports Message-ID: <3458BC2C.19BA@ix.netcom.com> Charles Hart wrote: > > Greetings All, > > Does anyone out there have a reference for drawings of the Nieuport 10 > ? Surprisingly, this is not included in the Albatros volumes on Nieuport > Fighters. > > Many thanks. > > Charles > > hartc@spot.colorado.edu -- Scale Models had one of these in the late seventies, I believe in January or so of 1979. Matt may have a copy of the article or plans, and I think they are available from MAP still. -- This has been Mark and/or Mary Shannon at Shingend@ix.netcom.com History manages to get away with cliches no novelist could. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 12:16:06 -0500 (EST) From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Pfalz Pfuselage/Glencoephiles Message-ID: <971030120922_1769377434@mrin46.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 97-10-28 22:44:24 EST, mgoodwin@ricochet.net writes: << KarrArt@aol.com wrote: > I nicked the engine from an Eduard SSW. I got an extra one from an exasperated local who usually builds WWII German stuff (mostly Fw 190s). I'm impressed. Is the fuselage round enough to be turned on a lathe? You should've used the fuselage as a master and cast a few in resin-I woulda bought/traded for one. Cheers, Riordan >> Howdy- Well Well, it appears AOL has finally decided to allow us peasants to use e-mail again after yesterday's electronic debacle.Anyway- that there Pfalz fuselage starts out round at the nose and gradually squirms itself into a vertical knife edge at the rear- an ever changing series of ovals.No lathe work hear- just gool old fashioned hacking and carving and constantly checking with templates.The guys at my local hobby shop jumped on my case about not making resin copies.....maybe one day! Robert ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 12:49:45 -0500 (EST) From: TPTPUMPER@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: back from London Message-ID: <971030124804_1994807798@mrin41.mail.aol.com> Hi Franco! Welcome back! Glad you had a good time. A few years ago my wife and I went up for 20 minutes or so in a Ford Trimotor, so I think I know how you feel. Good show! Have Fun!! IRA Campbell ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 13:00:00 -0500 (EST) From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Silbergrau/ Color police etc. Atn: Shane Message-ID: <971030125744_1534543868@mrin46.mail.aol.com> It's people like the color police what cause unrest.I prefer something like color constable-friendly, informative"Good morning there Mr.Knork- I think you had probably better get your stray sheep back in the pen- wouldn't want anything to happen to them and by the way you might want to rethink that flourescent orange AEG" .Obviously we all want the most accurate info possible.A lime green metalflake Fokker might look neat(hmm...I might give it try)- but it's not exactly an option if one is trying to capture a miniature piece of 1918.All of us are trying to be as exact as possible within our own skill limitations and tastes.If no one built anything until EXACT color specs were available, I'm afraid no models would get built.A "best guess" may be a guess, but it's still the best- until new research proves otherwise Robert ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 10:34:53 -0800 (PST) From: Patrick Padovan To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Silbergrau vs. Nieuport Aluminum Message-ID: Dear Mark: You are spot on, absolutely correct! I hope that by now my reply to Shane has been seen and read, and this matter cleared up. In fact, I had not even seen Shane's comment about Silbergrau at the time I sent my post. I say again, I was referring to the IPMS member in the original Silbergrau posting, and not to anyone on this list. But while we're on the subject of Silbergrau (sort of): I'd like to talk about Nieuport Aluminum. Am I correct in thinking that this shade was probably a light, metallic silver or aluminum (I can't tell the difference, myself) color? I really don't care for this idea, as I find "Silver-colored" (as differentiated from Silbergrau) aircraft somewhat dull (no pun intended!) to model. But, the more I look at the descriptions of French aluminum, the more I feel forced to conclude that metallic silver is probably pretty much correct. Anyone care to comment, elucidate, or enlighten me on this subject? Please, please, please tell me I'm wrong! Also: when we look at an a/c like, for example, Guynemer's N.17 with green/brown camo wing upper surfaces, am I correct in supposing this to be a field mod, and thus the missing roundels on the upper wing upper surface? (And can I say "Upper" at least one more time in this paragraph?) Regards, Patrick ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Patrick Padovan Interlibrary Loan Associate Timberland Regional Library Voice: 360-943-5001 415 Airdustrial Way SW FAX: 360-586-6838 Olympia, WA 98501-5799 e-mail: ppadovan@timberland.lib.wa.us ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Wed, 29 Oct 1997, The Shannons wrote: > Shane Weier wrote: > > > > Patrick notes: > > > > >, but whatever I happen to > > >have available at the time I need the Silbergrau. You've seen, > > perhaps, > > >references to the Color Police on this list? Well, now you've > > seen them in > > >action! The best defence: put your thumbs in your ears, wiggle > > your > > >fingers, and send a loud, wet rasberry in their general > > direction! Then, > > >when you feel better (which you will), and they are nonplussed > > (which they > > >will be!), just say, "Oh yeah? Prove it!" > > > > Am I the target of this slur? If not, who is? I've just looked > > back over the combined writings of list members on the subject and can't > > find ONE judgemental comment regarding the rights and wrongs of > > *anything* that *anyone* chooses to use as silbergrau. > > > > If anyone *had*, I'd be first to complain (dressed in my > > fetching Colour Police Hunting and Taxidermy Society shooting jacket and > > matching kilt), but what I saw was a series of "this is what I *think* > > is the case" or "this is what I use, but *you* choose for yourself" > > type postings. > > > > Sorry Patrick, but if we start to characterise any debate on > > colours as "(the colour police) in action" we all lose the opportunity > > to see serious discussion of the subject and perhaps be party to > > original research. > > > > Regards > > > > Shane > > Shane, I think the comment was in regard to the original post, in which > a "IPMS Member" at a show told him the Silbergrau was all wrong. IPMS > has its share of know-it-all types. > > Your post was more extensive on the reasoning than most of them, but you > weren't being any kind of color police, just offering an alternative > thought process on the color. > > -- > -- > This has been Mark and/or Mary Shannon > at Shingend@ix.netcom.com > > History manages to get away with cliches no novelist could. > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 11:31:55 -0700 From: rjray@uswest.com (Randy J. Ray) To: wwi Subject: Re: New Thread Message-ID: <199710301831.LAA18491@tremere.ecte.uswc.uswest.com> >>>>> "Alberto" == Alberto Rada >>>>> wrote the following on Wed, 29 Oct 1997 18:33:35 -0500 Alberto> I just got from Pacific Front Hobbies ( they have a web Alberto> page) Two reels of transparent monofilament thread 30 m Alberto> long each of 0.02" and 0.06" that renders them perfect for Alberto> 1/72 and 1/48 rigging , they have all the sizes from 0.02" Alberto> to 0.07" , they are pricey $ 4.50 each , but this is one of Alberto> those things you buy only once in a life time , the brand Alberto> is Dai-Riki and come in a very practical reel . I have several thicknesses of Dai Riki on my desk. The stuff is very workable, typical fishing line material. It's fairly dark colored, which I consider good, and shrinks down gently with careful application of heat to the area (I take a length of piano wire in pin vise or X-acto handle, heat it over a candle, and wave within 1/4" or so of the line). One spool of this stull should rig over a dozen aircraft. If you are adverse to mail order, find a fishing supply shop (I can recommend two in Denver), especially one that specialized in angling. Randy -- """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" Randy J. Ray -- U S WEST IT, Inc. Software Config Mgmt Phone: (303)595-2869 Denver, CO rjray@uswest.com "Reach up your hand, if your cup be empty/If your cup is full, may it be again" --Grateful Dead, "Ripple" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 97 13:42:31 EST From: Brian Nicklas To: Subject: back from London Message-ID: <199710301846.NAA15512@pease1.sr.unh.edu> Franco, I'm VERY jealous. The Dragon Rapide is one of my all-time favorites, and in my top five. I think while maybe not a "sexy" airplane, is has to considered beautiful. The lines and form with those dragonfly wings are just great - a ride would be a highlight for me. I've built several of the Heller 1/72 Rapides, and have a whole bunch of Tasman re-issues awaiting. Congrats. Brian ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 12:45:57 -0700 From: Charles Hart To: wwi Subject: Squadron DC store Message-ID: Greetings All, I don't know how many members of this list are in the far East coast/DC area. Apparently the Squadron Shop in the DC area is closing. Their liquidation sale starts soon. Surf on over to: http://www.squadron.com/store.html for details. Happy Hunting Guys. Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 11:47:25 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: Introduction Message-ID: <19472550402155@KAIEN.COM> Brian, First off welcome to the list - now you can stop bothering me all the time :-) For those who haven't seen his line of 1/285 scale aircraft I must say that they are the cutest little things (sorry Brian, but they are). Bob Pearson ---------- > From: Redwilde@bdsbbs.com (Redwilde) > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Introduction > Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 10:35:50 -0500 > > > Hi folks, > Bob Pearson recommended that I join this list and I took him up on the > idea. To introduce myself, I publish the tabletop miniatures wargame, > Hostile Aircraft and an accompanying line of 1/285 scale cast metal > figures and decals. My modeling skills are a bit different than that of > kit-building; I carve the master figures of the planes out of styrene > plastic and then have molds made from them. Questions that I'm likely > to poe to this list will tend towards the fairly obscure, as I'm at the > point now of adding decals of squadron markings > for a variety of nations, national insignia for post-Armistice Eastern > European conflicts, and fun accessories like hangars. > Which leads me to two obscure questions that I've been chasing for > awhile: > > I produce a resin cast model of the Bessonneau Hangar based on the > drawings in Aircraft Archive Vol.III. Does anyone have a clue what > color(s) the hangars were? I presume they were some shade of khaki? > Were they ever done in a camoflage pattern? > > I'd also like to do a model of the German peaked roof tent hangar. Is > there any source of scale drawings for these? Do they have a name? > What color(s) are they? > > Thanks, > Brian Reddington-Wilde > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 15:09:41 -0500 (EST) From: aew (Allan Wright) To: wwi Subject: Alberto's Models Message-ID: <199710302009.PAA16063@pease1.sr.unh.edu> Hi Everyone, Alberto send me more photos of his models, you might want to check out his images page again. -Al =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | You fell victim to one of the 'classic' blunders! University of New Hampshire+--------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 12:49:06 -0800 (PST) From: Patrick Padovan To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: WINDSOCK DATA FILES FOR SALE Message-ID: Gentlemen: Lencraft list the following Data Files for Sale: 4 Brisfit 5 Dr1 6 Sop 2f1 Camel 7 Pfalz d-iii 9 Fok D-VII 12 Hanriot HD1 15 Fok EIII 21 Pfalz D-IIIa 25 Fok D-VIII 28 Avro 504k 30 SE5 31 Phoenix DI 32 Spad 13 33 Junkers DI 34 1 & 1/2 Stutter 39 Junker J-I 44 Bristol Scouts 45 Aviatik D-I 46 Sop Snipe 52 Bristol M1 53 DFW C-IV 54 Sop Dolphin 55 HB W 29 56 FB5 57 Alb C-I 58 MS N/I/V All the above list for 15.95 62 RE5/RE7 63 Aviatik C-I 64 AW FK8 All the above @ 18.50 02 Sop Pup 12.95 24 RE8 11.95 37 Roland D-VI 11.95 38 DH 10 10.95 42 BE2c 11.95 43 Halb CL-IV 10.95 50 DH5 12.95 54 Dolphin 10.95 59 Pfalz monoplanes 12.95 60 Sop Baby 12.95 Vickers Vimy Special 22.22 Mini Datafiles: 1 Alb W4 2 Pkz-2 4 Spad SA-2/SA4 5 MS A-1 6 Vickers Guns 7 Fok E-IV 10 Spandau Guns 11 Fok D-V Above @ 11.95 Mini Datafiles: 8 Martin Kitten 9 Sop Tabloid Above @ 8.95 Lencraft can be reached at: PO Box 770, Springville, CA 93265-0770, tel No 209 539-2973 As I said, I'm not affiliated EXCEPT as a long-time customer who has always had exemplary service from them. Regards, Patrick ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Patrick Padovan Interlibrary Loan Associate Timberland Regional Library Voice: 360-943-5001 415 Airdustrial Way SW FAX: 360-586-6838 Olympia, WA 98501-5799 e-mail: ppadovan@timberland.lib.wa.us ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 06:14:14 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi'" Cc: "'Tom Eisenhour'" Subject: MPM Brandenburg W.29 (part 4) Message-ID: <199710302123.HAA17278@mimmon.mim.com.au> Hi all, When last I commented on this kit, I was ready to join the fuselage halves. Okay, so now the deed is done. However, I chose to use the brass firewall/instrument panel, and despite the engraved position in the fuselage interior it's still markedly too wide to fit. I engraved the marked positions to several times the original depth before the fuselage would close. When it *did* close it became clear that the engine panels are canted inboard to a greater degree than they should be, so that the fit to the radiator would become problematical. I added a shim of 5 thou card between the fuselage halves forward of the cockpit which eliminates this slight distortion (and incidentally also eases fitting of the firewall. Got everything nicely glued, seams sanded and polished out and look inside to admire the cockpit - and notice that the process has shaken loose the petite rudder bar. Aaaargh !. Happily, I had replaced the control column (which is way too thick and clunky) with a piece of fine brass rod. It was possible to bend it back, shake the rudder bar out, hold it on a piece of brass rod with blue tack and manouevr and glue it back via the gap between steering wheel and cockpit coaming. Moral: Be careful because the fuselage interior is JUST wider than the bar and the are of glue is tiny. At this point i need to correct a correction I made in an earlier part. The engine support part had been modified for width, and the tabs on the fuselage modified to allow it to sit horizontally above the lower of the two. BUT when I slipped the engine in, it immediately becomes obvious that the even the lower pair of tabs are much too high. The true position for the panel seems to be below the lower ones. I fudged it by triming about 2mm off the bottom of the engine, and since it can't be seen it doen't matter, but the experience reminded me how necesary it is to repeatedly dry fit everything. Just in time for adding the wings ! First up, the wings have tabs presumably at the position where the spars run, since some of the float spars share the same mounting holes on the fuselage. The tabs are in the same position on each wing - but the slots in the fuselage are not. I filled ALL the slots, cut off all the tabs, and added two brass rod "spars" to strengthen the joint. The wings wouldn't look right, no matter what. I traced this to there being far too great a sweepback on the wings. According to the datafile, this is about 4 degrees, mine were nearer double that. You cn improve matters by *carefully* sanding the inboard end of the wing o that the leading edge is shortened while the trailing edge is not, but I don't recommend completely correcting the angle, o it will be obvious that the ribs now have an angle of 4 degrees to the fuselage, instead of parallel. I halved the difference, built a complicated jig to hold everything in alignment and glued the wings on. That left me pondering whether the supplied hex would sufficiently confuse the eye to hide the minor outline errors. While doing so, and idly perusing the decals I note that a) mine are impeccably registered, perfectly printed, and match two colours of the A/G decals precisely b) the hex is printed in shapes to fit the various surfaces, with plenty of extra to allow easy trimming. I notice that they have correctly printed the hexes chordwise (wings) spanwise (ailerons), lengthwise (floats, if you need it) and fuselage. Neat. Full marks to MPM for capturing this detail. Thats where I know stand folks. Still enjoying the model. I'd like to point out again that the changes I've made are scarcely *obligatory*, except where being able to close the fuselage is concerned, so if you buy one and don't make the same alterations (or different ones) - good for you Shane ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 17:07:18 -0500 From: bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Introduction Message-ID: <199710302207.RAA16419@pease1.sr.unh.edu> At 10:36 AM 10/30/97 -0500, Redwilde wrote: > >Hi folks, > Bob Pearson recommended that I join this list and I took him up on the >idea. To introduce myself, I publish the tabletop miniatures wargame, >Hostile Aircraft and an accompanying line of 1/285 scale cast metal >figures and decals. Hee Hee, someone to tell Matt he works in a huge scale! ;-)) My modeling skills are a bit different than that of >kit-building; I carve the master figures of the planes out of styrene >plastic and then have molds made from them. Questions that I'm likely >to poe to this list will tend towards the fairly obscure, as I'm at the >point now of adding decals of squadron markings >for a variety of nations, national insignia for post-Armistice Eastern >European conflicts, and fun accessories like hangars. After being in this group for a little over 1 year, I truly believe there is no question or interest too obscure. Welcome. Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 23:32:22 +0100 From: Pedro Nuno Soares To: "'ww1 modeling list'" Subject: Great work guys Message-ID: <01BCE585.7C1B3460@fei1-p15.telepac.pt> Alberto and Scott Excellent work you two. It's seeing this kind of stuff that motivates me to try harder the next time. Thanks guys. Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 00:11:45 +0100 From: Pedro Nuno Soares To: "'ww1 modeling list'" Subject: Book on Guynemer Message-ID: <01BCE585.80C163E0@fei1-p15.telepac.pt> Bob wrote: "One other item is the announcement of a book on Guynemer and his = aircraft. Unfortunately there is no information as to cost. However it does state = that it includes many new photos as well as profiles." I suspect he is referring to "Guynemer - Les Avions d'un As" by Bernard = Klaeyle and Philippe Osche" According to an ad, on last issue of Avions: "208 pages full of photos and never before seen documents. The whole of = Guynemer's aircraft is also dealt with in detail, with charts and = abundant profile views" Price in France 220F including postage. = Published in September 97. HTH Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 18:53:55 -0500 (EST) From: DavidL1217@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Windsock Data Files for sale: Message-ID: <971030185220_1312108038@emout10.mail.aol.com> I would be interested in #10, SE5a David Layton ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 10:50:27 +0000 From: B-A-L To: wwi Subject: Re: British Markings Message-ID: <3459B7F3.85A@eis.net.au> Bob, Re Jagdflugzeuge - if you need any German translated let me know - If its not too technisch I can probably manage soemthing reasonably accurate REGARDS ( und bis zum sp"ater ) ' DAVID ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 21:23:06 -0500 (EST) From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi Subject: am I here? Message-ID: <971030212109_505471564@mrin47> Hello After yesterday's AOL mess, I'm still not sure if everything is working correctly.From the couple of list entries I've recieved today it seems like I've missed even some of today's posts.Any other AOLers out there in WW I list land still having difficulties? Did this message go through? Thanks Robert ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 18:30:43 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: British Markings Message-ID: <02304326903101@KAIEN.COM> David, Boy you are full of surprises - German too. Thanks for the offer, however by judicious use of a German-English dictionary I was able to get the jist of the book. In fact I have the first 100 or so captions translated if anyone wants a copy (some year I may finish it). Bob ---------- > From: B-A-L > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: British Markings > Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 19:51:32 -0500 > > Bob, > > Re Jagdflugzeuge - if you need any German translated let me know - If > its not too technisch I can probably manage soemthing reasonably > accurate > > REGARDS ( und bis zum sp"ater ) > ' > DAVID ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 735 *********************