WWI Digest 734 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Silbergrau by The Shannons 2) New Thread by Alberto Rada 3) Re: Dragon Aircraft by Alberto Rada 4) RE: British Markings by Alberto Rada 5) Re: Windsock Data Files for sale: by Alberto Rada 6) RE: Silbergrau by Charles Hart 7) Re: British Markings by B-A-L 8) Re: Windsock Data Files for sale: by phoward@abilene.com (Paul Howard) 9) Re: Armchaoir Auctions by B-A-L 10) RE: British Markings by Charles Hart 11) Re: Windsock Data Files for sale: by kevinkim@interlog.com (barrett) 12) RE: Silbergrau by Shane Weier 13) Nie.17bis versus Nie.24 by mbittner@juno.com 14) Re: Nie.17bis versus Nie.24 by Charles Hart 15) more Nieuports by Charles Hart 16) fabric mold problems by Hirohisa Ozaki 17) Re: fabric mold problems by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 18) Re: fabric mold problems by Hirohisa Ozaki 19) Re: fabric mold problems by Bob Pearson 20) Re: fabric mold problems by Hirohisa Ozaki 21) Re: fabric mold problems by Bob Pearson 22) Re: British Markings by "Sandy Adam" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 17:12:24 -0600 From: The Shannons To: wwi Subject: Re: Silbergrau Message-ID: <3457C2D8.6E38@ix.netcom.com> Shane Weier wrote: > > Patrick notes: > > >, but whatever I happen to > >have available at the time I need the Silbergrau. You've seen, > perhaps, > >references to the Color Police on this list? Well, now you've > seen them in > >action! The best defence: put your thumbs in your ears, wiggle > your > >fingers, and send a loud, wet rasberry in their general > direction! Then, > >when you feel better (which you will), and they are nonplussed > (which they > >will be!), just say, "Oh yeah? Prove it!" > > Am I the target of this slur? If not, who is? I've just looked > back over the combined writings of list members on the subject and can't > find ONE judgemental comment regarding the rights and wrongs of > *anything* that *anyone* chooses to use as silbergrau. > > If anyone *had*, I'd be first to complain (dressed in my > fetching Colour Police Hunting and Taxidermy Society shooting jacket and > matching kilt), but what I saw was a series of "this is what I *think* > is the case" or "this is what I use, but *you* choose for yourself" > type postings. > > Sorry Patrick, but if we start to characterise any debate on > colours as "(the colour police) in action" we all lose the opportunity > to see serious discussion of the subject and perhaps be party to > original research. > > Regards > > Shane Shane, I think the comment was in regard to the original post, in which a "IPMS Member" at a show told him the Silbergrau was all wrong. IPMS has its share of know-it-all types. Your post was more extensive on the reasoning than most of them, but you weren't being any kind of color police, just offering an alternative thought process on the color. -- -- This has been Mark and/or Mary Shannon at Shingend@ix.netcom.com History manages to get away with cliches no novelist could. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 19:25:28 -0400 From: Alberto Rada To: wwi Subject: New Thread Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971029192528.006cb558@pop.true.net> I just got from Pacific Front Hobbies ( they have a web page) Two reels of transparent monofilament thread 30 m long each of 0.02" and 0.06" that renders them perfect for 1/72 and 1/48 rigging , they have all the sizes from 0.02" to 0.07" , they are pricey $ 4.50 each , but this is one of those things you buy only once in a life time , the brand is Dai-Riki and come in a very practical reel . I have no shares on this company or on Pacific Front Hobbies, or practically any where else after this fortnight market crash, Questions can be asked to Bill at : pacfront@accessone.com SALUDOS ALBERTO ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 18:49:11 -0400 From: Alberto Rada To: wwi Subject: Re: Dragon Aircraft Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971029184911.006cc078@pop.true.net> Hi Scott A really lovely diorama, you gave me a lot of ideas for a proyect I have . SALUDOS ALBERTO At 11:57 PM 27-10-97 -0500, you wrote: > >Speaking of Eduard kits, there a picture of my latest Eduard kit in the >IPMS/Houston Scale Model Forum (Yes, tis a shameless plug!). There's also a >few pictures of my Airfix Hannover CL.III diorama I was asking about >several months ago. If anyone is interested it's at: > > > >Some critiques would be nice, but I know the Hannover tail is missing a few >parts! > >Cheers! > > >Scott M. Head >IPMS/Houston >IPMS/USA 32841 >smh@iapc.net > >IPMS/Houston Scale Model Forum: http://web-hou.iapc.net/~smh > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 18:46:01 -0400 From: Alberto Rada To: wwi Subject: RE: British Markings Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971029184601.006cc078@pop.true.net> Hi Please could you give me the name of these books thanks SALUDOS ALBERTO p.d. to the list: Thanks for the kind words on the photos At 02:54 PM 29-10-97 -0500, you wrote: >>Where can I find this book! >> >>Mike Denest >>Rapid Prototyping Center >>The Boeing Company >>Building 3-29 M/S P38-01 >>PO Box 16858 >>Philadelphia, PA 19142 >>Phone 1-610-591-4681 >>Fax 1-610-591-4444 >>e-mail to: michael.denest@PHL.boeing.com >> >> > The book "The Se-5 File" can be purchased directly from Air-Britain. >Check out their Web site: http://www.air-brit.demon.co.uk/ > I have ordered directly from them in the past with very good service. >They take credit cards and have phone and FAX numbers for ordering if Air >Mail is too slow. A couple of their WW I related books on Royal Navy a/c >are on sale for about US$16.00 plus shipping. Both are excellent values. > > Charles > >hartc@spot.colorado.edu > > > >>> > >>> >Get real guys, I can take as much of this info - on British, French, >>> >German, Italian, Belgian, American, Austro-Hungarian... as I can get. >>> And >>> >I don't think this is a peculiar British habit. Unfortunately its >>> just not >>> >so easy for the others because the records aren't as complete. >>> > >>> >Sandy >>> >>> Sandy, >>> >>> I'll post here exactly what I wrote for the review in Chandelle >>> of >>> the A-B title "The Se-5 File". I began: >>> >>> "This reviewer has always been somewhat in awe of the peculiar >>> British >>> propensity for recording serial numbers of aircraft (among other >>> things) >>> and subsequently the operational history of individual machines. This >>> book >>> continues that tradition with the bulk of its text being a listing of >>> every >>> serial number of every Se-5 and Se-5a built." >>> >>> If you consider this sniffy, so be it. I don't begrudge anyone >>> their >>> opinion. >>> >>> For those on the list interesed in seeing the rest of what I >>> wrote, >>> and I might add that I was very favorably inclined toward this book, >>> surf >>> on over to: >>> http://www.cris.com/~Rojo1/se5review.html >>> >>> A new edition of Chandelle, including reviews of books and kits >>> by >>> yours truly, should be ready in a few days. Watch this space. >>> >>> Charles >>> >>> hartc@spot.colorado.edu >>> >>> > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 19:30:20 -0400 From: Alberto Rada To: wwi Subject: Re: Windsock Data Files for sale: Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971029193020.006cb0d0@pop.true.net> Hi Patrick Anything interesting besides the datafiles SALUDOS ALBERTO At 05:50 PM 29-10-97 -0500, you wrote: > Gentlemen: Just want to draw the attention of anyone interested to the >fact that Lencraft, a mom & pop mail order outfit specializing in WWI >kits, is going out of business after many years. Ron & Jean Lentes, the >owners and sole proprietors, have decided to retire for health reasons. >They are the first mail order company I ever dealt with, when I got back >into this hobby in 1980, and I have always been very pleased and satisfied >with their prompt and friendly service. I will miss them. > Anyway, their latest (last?) mailer lists a number of Windsock >Datafiles for sale. If anyone is interested, I will post a list of titles >and prices tomorrow, as well as the address and phone number of Lencraft. >The clock is ticking, because it looks like they are aiming to liquidate >their inventory by December 1st. > I'd better also add that except as a longtime customer, I am not >affiliated with Lencraft in any way whatever. Just thought some of you >might be interested. > Ciao, Patrick > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Patrick Padovan >Interlibrary Loan Associate > >Timberland Regional Library Voice: 360-943-5001 >415 Airdustrial Way SW FAX: 360-586-6838 >Olympia, WA 98501-5799 e-mail: ppadovan@timberland.lib.wa.us >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 16:44:06 -0700 From: Charles Hart To: wwi Subject: RE: Silbergrau Message-ID: Shane wrote that he was: > (dressed in my >fetching Colour Police Hunting and Taxidermy Society shooting jacket and >matching kilt) I have to ask, what does a Colour Policeman wear under his kilt ? And what colour is it ? Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 09:49:23 +0000 From: B-A-L To: wwi Subject: Re: British Markings Message-ID: <34585823.55A5@eis.net.au> Sandy I've just run down an older second hand text dealing with this subject area - It's being held for me at the moment -m I think it's one of the Michael Bowyer ( or of that ilk ) volumes from the late 1970's will be happy to send a copy if there's anything useful - if you send me a reminder/ wake up ! rocket in a week I should have it by then Regards David ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 17:54:46 -0600 From: phoward@abilene.com (Paul Howard) To: Subject: Re: Windsock Data Files for sale: Message-ID: <01bce4c6$092c7fa0$31868ece@default> Please do post a list. I still have quite a few holes in the series. Thanks, Paul H -----Original Message----- From: Patrick Padovan To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Wednesday, October 29, 1997 3:52 PM Subject: Windsock Data Files for sale: > Gentlemen: Just want to draw the attention of anyone interested to the >fact that Lencraft, a mom & pop mail order outfit specializing in WWI >kits, is going out of business after many years. Ron & Jean Lentes, the >owners and sole proprietors, have decided to retire for health reasons. >They are the first mail order company I ever dealt with, when I got back >into this hobby in 1980, and I have always been very pleased and satisfied >with their prompt and friendly service. I will miss them. > Anyway, their latest (last?) mailer lists a number of Windsock >Datafiles for sale. If anyone is interested, I will post a list of titles >and prices tomorrow, as well as the address and phone number of Lencraft. >The clock is ticking, because it looks like they are aiming to liquidate >their inventory by December 1st. > I'd better also add that except as a longtime customer, I am not >affiliated with Lencraft in any way whatever. Just thought some of you >might be interested. > Ciao, Patrick > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Patrick Padovan >Interlibrary Loan Associate > >Timberland Regional Library Voice: 360-943-5001 >415 Airdustrial Way SW FAX: 360-586-6838 >Olympia, WA 98501-5799 e-mail: ppadovan@timberland.lib.wa.us >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 09:59:14 +0000 From: B-A-L To: wwi Subject: Re: Armchaoir Auctions Message-ID: <34585A72.6538@eis.net.au> Hello all The latest C&C ( Intl ) deals with the Russian front - Has anyone seen anything on the airwar during the Italian campaign in the former Yugoslavia during WW 1 - Our "community " TV station SBS had an Italian feature on this recently - Ghastly stuff - 1.2 million dead, it lasted about 2 and half years and was " just around the corner " from Gallipoli where my mothers' father served as a Captain ( 7th Btln AIF ) for almost the entire campaign - I knew nothing of it militarily although I have seen a few photographs of A/c taken in this general area ( theatre of ops ) Anyone able to direct me to some specific rescource material Thanks Regards to all DAVID ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 17:16:23 -0700 From: Charles Hart To: wwi Subject: RE: British Markings Message-ID: >Hi > >Please could you give me the name of these books > >thanks > >SALUDOS > >ALBERTO > ---Royal Navy Shipboard Aircraft Developments 1912-1931 (ISBN 0 85130 165 7) by Dick Cronin ---Royal Navy Aircraft Serials and Units 1911 - 1919 (ISBN 0 85130 191 6) by Ray Sturtivant I.S.O. and Gordon Page A good description is found on the A-B Web site >> The book "The Se-5 File" can be purchased directly from Air-Britain. >>Check out their Web site: http://www.air-brit.demon.co.uk/ >> I have ordered directly from them in the past with very good service. >>They take credit cards and have phone and FAX numbers for ordering if Air >>Mail is too slow. A couple of their WW I related books on Royal Navy a/c >>are on sale for about US$16.00 plus shipping. Both are excellent values. >> >> Charles >> >>hartc@spot.colorado.edu >> >> >> >>>> > >>>> >Get real guys, I can take as much of this info - on British, French, >>>> >German, Italian, Belgian, American, Austro-Hungarian... as I can get. >>>> And >>>> >I don't think this is a peculiar British habit. Unfortunately its >>>> just not >>>> >so easy for the others because the records aren't as complete. >>>> > >>>> >Sandy >>>> >>>> Sandy, >>>> >>>> I'll post here exactly what I wrote for the review in Chandelle >>>> of >>>> the A-B title "The Se-5 File". I began: >>>> >>>> "This reviewer has always been somewhat in awe of the peculiar >>>> British >>>> propensity for recording serial numbers of aircraft (among other >>>> things) >>>> and subsequently the operational history of individual machines. This >>>> book >>>> continues that tradition with the bulk of its text being a listing of >>>> every >>>> serial number of every Se-5 and Se-5a built." >>>> >>>> If you consider this sniffy, so be it. I don't begrudge anyone >>>> their >>>> opinion. >>>> >>>> For those on the list interesed in seeing the rest of what I >>>> wrote, >>>> and I might add that I was very favorably inclined toward this book, >>>> surf >>>> on over to: >>>> http://www.cris.com/~Rojo1/se5review.html >>>> >>>> A new edition of Chandelle, including reviews of books and kits >>>> by >>>> yours truly, should be ready in a few days. Watch this space. >>>> >>>> Charles >>>> >>>> hartc@spot.colorado.edu >>>> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 20:09:49 -0500 From: kevinkim@interlog.com (barrett) To: wwi Subject: Re: Windsock Data Files for sale: Message-ID: Patrick offered: > Anyway, their latest (last?) mailer lists a number of Windsock >Datafiles for sale. If anyone is interested, I will post a list of titles >and prices tomorrow, as well as the address and phone number of Lencraft. Patrick, Please do let us in on the list! Kevin Barrett ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 09:32:38 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: wwi Subject: RE: Silbergrau Message-ID: <199710300041.KAA28810@mimmon.mim.com.au> Charles comments on my dress sense:: > (dressed in my > >fetching Colour Police Hunting and Taxidermy Society shooting jacket > and > >matching kilt) > by asking: > I have to ask, what does a Colour Policeman wear under his kilt ? > And what colour is it ? First up, I need to reinforce that the CPHTS is a society engaged in reducing the pestilential levels of this species by hunting and/or stuffing them, and that the above quote should not be read (incorrectly) to mean that I am a member of the hated Colour Police engaged in hunting and taxidermy. That being the case, I am unaware of *any* members of the colour police in *this* country who wear kilts, though Sandy may be able to comment on the plumage of the species in his area. However, I *can* tell you that the de rigeur undergarment for a card carrying member of the CPHTS engaged in the hunt is (of course) bottom lozenge. LARGE polygons ! Shane (sometimes a savage Colour policeman at bay can reduce this to stained linen :-) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 20:50:30 -0600 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Nie.17bis versus Nie.24 Message-ID: <19971029.205031.13942.0.mbittner@juno.com> I don't know, I can't see it. Can anybody help me figure out the difference between the *fuselage* of the Nie.24 and the Nie.17bis, externally? Yes, there are some differences in the "acces doors" on the front by the cowl, but that's all I can determine. Everything else seems to be the same. Keep in mind I'm looking for differences - externally - in the fuselage. I know of the difference in the top wing, as well as the tail of the Nie.24 (not Nie.24bis). Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 20:14:28 -0700 From: Charles Hart To: wwi Subject: Re: Nie.17bis versus Nie.24 Message-ID: >I don't know, I can't see it. > >Can anybody help me figure out the difference between the *fuselage* of >the Nie.24 and the Nie.17bis, externally? Yes, there are some >differences in the "acces doors" on the front by the cowl, but that's all >I can determine. Everything else seems to be the same. > >Keep in mind I'm looking for differences - externally - in the fuselage. >I know of the difference in the top wing, as well as the tail of the >Nie.24 (not Nie.24bis). > > >Matt Bittner It looks as though the cowling of the Ni. 24 and 24 bis has a greater chord than the cowlings found on the Ni-17 bis. Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 21:26:38 -0700 From: Charles Hart To: wwi Subject: more Nieuports Message-ID: Greetings All, Does anyone out there have a reference for drawings of the Nieuport 10 ? Surprisingly, this is not included in the Albatros volumes on Nieuport Fighters. Many thanks. Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 17:04:30 +0900 From: Hirohisa Ozaki To: wwi Subject: fabric mold problems Message-ID: <199710300804.RAA03546@zoo.miln.mei.co.jp> Hi All, I have two problems about fabric molds on wings. 1) 1:48, Merlin, Salmson 2A2. Upper wing is composed of 3 parts, port side, starboad side, and center. These parts are offered nice fabric molds, like hill which top on ribs. But only port side parts has no fabric molds like other parts. There are hairline mold on rib places portside wing part. I want to offer fabric molds as like starboad side and center parts to port side part. But I have no ideas to correct. 2) 1:72, Merlin, Sopwith Strutter. Trouble is on portside wing part, either. The mold of wing surface is differed between upperside and underside span direction. Does anyone have nice ideas? TIA! Hiro. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 00:34:52 -0800 From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: fabric mold problems Message-ID: <199710300834.AA28276@ednet1.orednet.org> Hiro typed: > >Hi All, -snips- >2) 1:72, Merlin, Sopwith Strutter. > Trouble is on portside wing part, either. > The mold of wing surface is differed between upperside and underside span > direction. > >Does anyone have nice ideas? TIA! I don't understand the problem you are seeing. While admittedly, I've not actually _built_ this kit, examining my Merlin one and one-half strutter kit, no problems with either the top or bottom port wing parts seem readily apparent. Perhaps you might provide some addition clarification on the exact problem you are seeing? Merlin kits are _always_ a problem but I don't see any particular problem with either port wing. I'm obviously overlooking something. Cheers and all, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org "All generalizations are dangerous, even this one." Alexandre Dumas ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 17:59:09 +0900 From: Hirohisa Ozaki To: wwi Subject: Re: fabric mold problems Message-ID: <199710300859.RAA03782@zoo.miln.mei.co.jp> Hello Bill, >I don't understand the problem you are seeing. While admittedly, I've >not actually _built_ this kit, examining my Merlin one and one-half >strutter kit, no problems with either the top or bottom port wing >parts seem readily apparent. > > >Perhaps you might provide some addition clarification on the >exact problem you are seeing? > >Merlin kits are _always_ a problem but I don't see any particular >problem with either port wing. I'm obviously overlooking something. Aha... port wing part length |<----------------------------->| | | port wing upper surface mold | /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| | / | | |________ | | L_______|___________________| | | | port wing under surface mold | /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| | / | | |________ | | L_______|___________________| |<->| "difference" Port wing part is longer than starboad wing part as equal as "difference" length. Upper surface has no mold on center section, as long as "difference" length. Under surface has no mold on wing tip, too. Hiro. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 01:18:22 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: fabric mold problems Message-ID: <09182257301036@KAIEN.COM> Hiro, Perhaps the reason for the difference in length is the fact that the extra portion of the port wing is meant to be removed as the Strutter had no centre section as such and was joined in the middle on a inverted 'V' trestle. In 1/72 scale the wings should be 142mm according to the Datafile. Or if the problem is the details not lining up, I would sand them off and replace the ribs with either (very thin) stretched sheet plastic or decal strips. However one thing I have found with Merlin kits is the tendancy of the plastic to flake off in layers when sanding, so be careful and good luck. And three cheers for someone else building a Strutter ! ! ! ! Regards, Bob Pearson ---------- > From: Hirohisa Ozaki > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: fabric mold problems > Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 04:04:14 -0500 > > Hello Bill, > > >I don't understand the problem you are seeing. While admittedly, I've > >not actually _built_ this kit, examining my Merlin one and one-half > >strutter kit, no problems with either the top or bottom port wing > >parts seem readily apparent. > > > > > >Perhaps you might provide some addition clarification on the > >exact problem you are seeing? > > > >Merlin kits are _always_ a problem but I don't see any particular > >problem with either port wing. I'm obviously overlooking something. > > Aha... > port wing part length > |<----------------------------->| > | | > port wing upper surface mold | /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| | > / | | > |________ | | > L_______|___________________| | > | | > port wing under surface mold | /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| > | / | > | |________ | > | L_______|___________________| > |<->| > "difference" > > Port wing part is longer than starboad wing part as equal as "difference" length. > Upper surface has no mold on center section, as long as "difference" length. > Under surface has no mold on wing tip, too. > > Hiro. > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 18:36:31 +0900 From: Hirohisa Ozaki To: wwi Subject: Re: fabric mold problems Message-ID: <199710300936.SAA03928@zoo.miln.mei.co.jp> Hello Bob, Thank you for your inspiration:-) Everybody know that my English is very poor:-( >Hiro, > >Perhaps the reason for the difference in length is the fact that the extra >portion of the port wing is meant to be removed as the Strutter had no >centre section as such and was joined in the middle on a inverted 'V' >trestle. In 1/72 scale the wings should be 142mm according to the Datafile. No, problem isn't about scale. >Or if the problem is the details not lining up, I would sand them off and >replace the ribs with either (very thin) stretched sheet plastic or decal >strips. However one thing I have found with Merlin kits is the tendancy of >the plastic to flake off in layers when sanding, so be careful and good >luck. Yes, problem is details of port upper wing mold. But Merlin offered very nice mold on wing surface, and I want to correct this problem with original mold. It isn't easy, I know. Hiro. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 01:56:41 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: fabric mold problems Message-ID: <09564128801078@KAIEN.COM> Greetings Hiro, Ah, but your English is still far better than our Japanese :-) BTW I have 15 of No.3 Wing RNAS Strutters profiled if you are looking for markings for your kit. Regards, Bob ---------- > From: Hirohisa Ozaki > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: fabric mold problems > Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 04:51:23 -0500 > > Hello Bob, > > Thank you for your inspiration:-) > Everybody know that my English is very poor:-( ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 10:56:37 -0000 From: "Sandy Adam" To: Subject: Re: British Markings Message-ID: <199710301000.KAA12501@beryl.sol.co.uk> > I'll post here exactly what I wrote for the review in Chandelle of > the A-B title "The Se-5 File". I began: > > "This reviewer has always been somewhat in awe of the peculiar British > propensity for recording serial numbers of aircraft (among other things) > and subsequently the operational history of individual machines. This book > continues that tradition with the bulk of its text being a listing of every > serial number of every Se-5 and Se-5a built." I had forgotten where the review appeared and did not realise it was one of our members who had penned this, so your reply happily allowed me to find this again. When I reread it I agreed with my original conclusion that the opening paragaraph is SNIFFY. I don't know where you got your own quotation from and if that is what you wrote then I am happy to accept that it was changed before appearing on the web page - but what does appear is the following: "Like most American enthusiasts, the editors have always been a bit dumbstruck by the peculiar British propensity for recording the serial numbers and operational histories of individual aircraft. But, like the group's earlier Camel File, Air Britain's S.E. 5 File shows how valuable a contribution such odd pastimes make to our understanding of the history of aviation. ... " Now if I may comment on your (or somebody else's alteration of your) review, I would suggest that any National difference between Americans and Britons when it comes to getting the maximum information on any particular subject is imaginary. I would also suggest that most members of this list would not find such practices as "peculiar" or "odd" but laudable and wish that we could do the same for every WW1 aircraft, irrespective of National origin. I'm sure if a tome were to appear doing the same for the Albatros D-series I would search in vain for references to the peculiarity or oddity of such a concept. Sandy ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 734 *********************