WWI Digest 730 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) RE: Rib tapes by Shane Weier 2) Re: Favorites Finale by Patrick Padovan 3) Re: Pfaltz D.XII - Tom's or Blue Max? by Patrick Padovan 4) Re: DML vs. Eduard by Patrick Padovan 5) Re: Rib tapes by The Shannons 6) Re: by Alberto Rada 7) Re: Rib tapes by Tom Werner Hansen 8) Re: Masking by Alberto Rada 9) Re: Roland D.II by bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 10) Re: a nice thought by bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 11) Albatros BII by bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 12) Re: British Markings by bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 13) Re: Moving soon by bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 14) Re: Nylon thread as rigging material by bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 15) Pics on list by phoward@abilene.com (Paul Howard) 16) Re: a nice thought by GRBroman@aol.com 17) Re: Rib tapes by The Shannons 18) Re: a nice thought by mgoodwin@ricochet.net 19) Re: Pics on list by mgoodwin@ricochet.net 20) yellowed decals by bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 21) Help with Br. 123 Insignia by mgoodwin@ricochet.net 22) Re: Roland D.II by mgoodwin@ricochet.net 23) Re: a nice thought by mbittner@juno.com 24) Re: Rib tapes by mbittner@juno.com 25) Re: Pics on list by Joey Valenciano 26) Re: a nice thought by mbittner@juno.com 27) Re: Dragon Aircraft by "Bill Ciciora" 28) Re: a nice thought by Bob Pearson 29) Re: British Markings by "Bill Ciciora" 30) Re: Albatros BII by KarrArt@aol.com 31) Re: British Markings by KarrArt@aol.com 32) fabric tapes by KarrArt@aol.com 33) Re: British Markings by Bob Pearson 34) Re: fabric tapes by John & Allison Cyganowski ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 06:30:17 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: wwi Subject: RE: Rib tapes Message-ID: <199710272138.HAA29001@mimmon.mim.com.au> Tom, >Does anyone actually put rib tapes on 1/72 models? If they do, they have my >undying respect. I do. It isn't really all that hard to cut 0.5 or thereabout strips from a prepainted sheet of decal film in sufficient quantity to cover a 1/72 plane. Putting them on is something of a trial, but not worse than in 1/48. OTOH edge tapes can be a major pain in this scale. Shane ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 13:57:19 -0800 (PST) From: Patrick Padovan To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Favorites Finale Message-ID: Dear John: Nice work, thanks for doing it! Regards, Patrick ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Patrick Padovan Interlibrary Loan Associate Timberland Regional Library Voice: 360-943-5001 415 Airdustrial Way SW FAX: 360-586-6838 Olympia, WA 98501-5799 e-mail: ppadovan@timberland.lib.wa.us ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 14:00:57 -0800 (PST) From: Patrick Padovan To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Pfaltz D.XII - Tom's or Blue Max? Message-ID: Dear Ira: FWIW, if you order directly from Pegasus/Blue Max in the UK, the kits are significantly cheaper. Without digging out my old credit card receipts, I can't be exact, but I believe I paid somewhere between $25-29 for my copy of the Pfalz D.XII. Also, you don't have to pay shipping, they send it post free! Just thought you, or somebody, might be interested. Regards, Patrick ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Patrick Padovan Interlibrary Loan Associate Timberland Regional Library Voice: 360-943-5001 415 Airdustrial Way SW FAX: 360-586-6838 Olympia, WA 98501-5799 e-mail: ppadovan@timberland.lib.wa.us ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Sat, 25 Oct 1997 TPTPUMPER@aol.com wrote: > Hi Guys! > > I haven't seen a BM Pfalz D.XII, and at $50US, I probably won't. I have > the Tom's kit. It's a few inches off here and there, but I can live with > that. The overall look is definitely that of a D.XII. > > Have Fun!! > > IRA > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 14:17:44 -0800 (PST) From: Patrick Padovan To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: DML vs. Eduard Message-ID: Dear Joey: I've built the Eduard Albatros kit. It went together fairly easily, and everything fit without a lot of tweaking, sanding, etc. I've built a few DML kits, and I'd say that the Eduard Albatros is definitely in the ball park: the DML kits look great in the box, but I've always found the fit to require some "adjustment" in places. There's really not a lot of distance between the two companies' products, IMHO. Regards, Patrick ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Patrick Padovan Interlibrary Loan Associate Timberland Regional Library Voice: 360-943-5001 415 Airdustrial Way SW FAX: 360-586-6838 Olympia, WA 98501-5799 e-mail: ppadovan@timberland.lib.wa.us ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Sun, 26 Oct 1997, Joey Valenciano wrote: > At 06:18 PM 10/26/97 -0500, you wrote: > > >However, the injection molded parts of the Eduard kits are far below the > >standard of quality that was a hallmark of the DML kits. > > In light of the vastly improved Eduard Alb.D.V, does this still hold true? > > The parts on the sprue look very good but how about the fit? Who among you > have made the kit? > > > ********************************************************************* > > Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, > joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist > tel. (632) 921-26-75 > Metro-Manila, Philippines > > "The more you know, the more you don't know." > > ********************************************************************* > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 16:27:13 -0600 From: The Shannons To: wwi Subject: Re: Rib tapes Message-ID: <34551541.2A3E@ix.netcom.com> Bill Shatzer wrote: > > Mark writes: > > > >Tom Werner Hansen wrote: > >> > >> I know I'm running the risk of sounding pretty ignorant here, but I need > >> some enlightenment here. So I wonder if any of you wise guys (notice: no > >> hyphen) could shed some light on this namely regarding: > >> What was it? > > > >These were linen tapes that were sewn into the rib areas for an extra > >thickness to help cut down on chafing of the fabric. They were also > >sewn around the perimeters of wings, tails, etc. > > Was not the fabric actually stitched onto the ribs to prevent the > air pressure from causing the fabric to separate upwards from the > ribs and thus deforming the desired airfoil? And were not the > rib tapes intended to provide a reinforcement for the stitching? > Ditto the tapes around the perimeters were intended for reinforcing > where the top fabric panel was stitched to the lower? > > I didn't understand that "cutting down" chafing entered into it except > to the extent that stitching the fabric to the ribs would prevent > movement of the fabric and thus eliminate the possibility of > chafing altogether. > > But, I might be all wet on this. > > Cheers, > > -- > Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org > > "All generalizations are dangerous, even this one." > Alexandre Dumas -- Thats the basic meaning, I didn't go all technical on the thingybobs, you know, the ribbons on the wing thingies? What I have is that the rib tapes could be sewn in with the fabric, or in some cases were kind of glued in over it with the the dope to form an unpierced covering of the stitches. I think you are entirely correct on the main points and I oversimplified the situation, though. -- This has been Mark and/or Mary Shannon at Shingend@ix.netcom.com History manages to get away with cliches no novelist could. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 20:16:00 -0400 From: Alberto Rada To: wwi Subject: Re: Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971026201600.006d38c0@pop.true.net> Hi Pedro It is easier when it is Lozenge covered, but if not, I paint the inner side of the wings and leave till the end the painting of the outer surfaces, and yes, you are right , you have to do a good masking job. SALUDOS ALBERTO At 06:14 PM 26-10-97 -0500, you wrote: >Alberto wrote: > >>I normally place it through the wings all the way to the=20 >other side, fix it with cyano and sand the outer side of the wings = >flush.=20 > >HI Alberto > >Do you paint the wings on your models after doing the rigging? I've = >thought about that too but it seemed too complicated. How do you protect = >the rest of the model from getting paint on? > >Cheers >Pedro > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 23:41:59 -0800 From: Tom Werner Hansen To: wwi Subject: Re: Rib tapes Message-ID: <34559747.67A7@online.no> Shane Weier wrote: > > Tom, > > >Does anyone actually put rib tapes on 1/72 models? If they do, > they have my > >undying respect. > > I do. It isn't really all that hard to cut 0.5 or thereabout > strips from a prepainted sheet of decal film in sufficient quantity to > cover a 1/72 plane. Putting them on is something of a trial, but not > worse than in 1/48. OTOH edge tapes can be a major pain in this scale. > > Shane You're right. I checked again to see if it could be done, and it can. 0.4 of a mm is not quite as thin as it sounds. I have used that narrow kind of strips before to mark out walkways and other thin painted lines. I guess I'll try them on the Nieuport 17 that's in the making. Edge tapes will have to be painted on. That should be reasonably easy with a masking medium and a thick coat of paint to represent the thickness of the tape. If I end up in the looney bin, I'll tell them you told me it could be done. Tom ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 18:45:50 -0400 From: Alberto Rada To: wwi Subject: Re: Masking Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971027184550.006c49cc@pop.true.net> Hi Tom Now, that's what I call a discovery ( for me ) , it doesn't matter how many years you are in modeling, someone will teach you a simpler and brighter way of solving a problem. I am not particularly fond of painting , tend to get all messed up, and masking is about the most boring part of it. And this really simplifies the process . Thanks SALUDOS ALBERTO At 03:01 PM 27-10-97 -0500, you wrote: >Re your other question, how to protect the rest of the model when you paint >the wings after rigging. I cover the rest of the model with >cling-film/ceran-wrap/glad-wrap, > the kind of thin film you cover leftovers with, and secure with masking >tape. Works fine. I have a couple of Curtiss Hawks sitting in their cocoons >right now. > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 18:34:47 -0500 From: bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Roland D.II Message-ID: <199710272334.SAA04682@pease1.sr.unh.edu> At 11:47 AM 10/27/97 -0500, REATON@ccmail.dsccc.com wrote: > Just getting ready to finish up the Pegasus treatment of this > aircraft. Do any of our learned members have info on gun placement on > this bird? The kit comes with no guns and no clues. I presume they are > on top of the wing over the radiators, in handy reaching distance but > have seen no real data. Richard I thought they were internal and sort of stuck out through the nose similar to the Austrian Albatros. Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 18:44:04 -0500 From: bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: a nice thought Message-ID: <199710272344.SAA04751@pease1.sr.unh.edu> At 09:03 AM 10/27/97 -0500, mbittner@juno.com wrote: Major deletions >> I was looking through a newsletter put out by the Great War >> Aeroplanes Association. They held the fly-in in Dayton at the AF >> Museum. Anyway, on one of the back pages they had some nice b&w >> photos of WWI airplanes from the IPMS Nationals held in >> Columbus. I repeat one of their lines fwiw: Which models? I'm interested to know what planes made it on. OK, here goes, but I'm not that good on specifics: Fokker Triplane titled :Prepping the eagle Fokker Biplane...DI or DII 2 bays Fokker D-VIII B&W tail and B&W starburst cowl Fokker triplane...white back half Some German biplane/seaplane on floats Albatros DVa Crescent&Star w/black&white striped tail.(I did one like this, but damned if I can remember who flew the thing.) Fokker D-VII Generic w/lozenge Hmm. come to think of it, all German and NO PC-10!( Tape was done last night...in mail tomorrow. Thanks for the decals!) Mike Muth nb: Ansaldo SVA (1/48) and Polish Camel (Anybody for a picture other than the one w/Murray standing in front of it?) nu: Open for suggestions nl: News ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 18:50:45 -0500 From: bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Albatros BII Message-ID: <199710272350.SAA04803@pease1.sr.unh.edu> At 08:44 AM 10/27/97 -0500, Denest, Michael J wrote: >OK guys, I have a subject for you. Albatross B11a. Where can I find >some information about this aircraft. You know, 3 views, pictures, Mike Try C&C(Cross & Cockade, Great Britain) Vol 27 No2. Lots of photos. If you don't have access, send me mail address and I'll copy for you. Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 18:50:48 -0500 From: bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: British Markings Message-ID: <199710272350.SAA04813@pease1.sr.unh.edu> Bill, I think that, in addition to the Camel File and the SE5a file, the Thetford & Grey book have some basic markings. Let me know if you need a copy and I'll mail it. Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 18:50:52 -0500 From: bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Moving soon Message-ID: <199710272350.SAA04823@pease1.sr.unh.edu> At 08:14 PM 10/26/97 -0500, Randy J. Ray wrote: >I'll be un-subbing from the list in a little over a week. Hope you come back on soon. Good luck on the move. Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 18:50:57 -0500 From: bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Nylon thread as rigging material Message-ID: <199710272350.SAA04834@pease1.sr.unh.edu> At 04:03 PM 10/25/97 -0400, KarrArt@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 97-10-25 15:04:27 EDT, jure.dolanec@siol.net writes: > ><< I tried hair for rigging, but it seems too thi >> > >Aside from the being too thin, I've found that hair is"weather" active- >depending on the humidity, it overtightens or sags. So-called invisible >thread seems to be mildly temperature active, but not to an unlivable degree. I've also found that, over time, it has a tendency to turn gray and fall out! Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 17:58:40 -0600 From: phoward@abilene.com (Paul Howard) To: "post wwi" Subject: Pics on list Message-ID: <01bce334$3fe04c40$32868ece@default> As I said when I asked the question about pics, I just wanted to find out what you guys thought of the idea. With the responses posted, some very good points were brought up and they would obviously preclude the idea. I 'll hastily add it to my group of not so good ideas such as fur covered toilet seats, SPAM flavored ice cream, buying a car with a Lucas electrical system, and building a Glenco Albatros... Cheers, Paul H ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 19:49:40 -0500 (EST) From: GRBroman@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: a nice thought Message-ID: <971027194639_1802592112@emout04.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 97-10-27 09:00:33 EST, you write: << > "Though there is obviously no requirement for these models to > fly, the level of study required to present the proper colors > and details is indeed daunting. Those of our association who > build and fly man carrying or RC models of a generic color and > minimal detail could learn a great deal from these careful > craftsmen." > Well said, huh? Which models? I'm interested to know what planes made it on. >> Planes!?!, PLANES!!??!! Matt, since he was speaking of models with no requirement to fly, he *had* to be refering to the WW I armor kits ;) Glen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 19:05:07 -0600 From: The Shannons To: wwi Subject: Re: Rib tapes Message-ID: <34553A43.2968@ix.netcom.com> Just to clarify matters, according to Ian Huntley, frayed edge or missed warp rib tape was being made by hand in 1913. In 1915, there were still aircraft, like the Morane-Saulnier type 'L' where thin battens were placed over the ribs to do the same job as rib tape, but by the end of 1916, it was hard to find this method still used on either side. Serrated edge tapes were first definitely mentioned in RAF rigging specifications in 1935 as an acceptable material, along with the frayed edge tape. Over the wood structures, linen or cotton tape was laid, then the fabric, then another layer of the tape, then stitching begun. A three inch pitch was specified in British usage, one of the others will have to tell me whether these steps are correct for German usage, every sixth stitch was tied in a special double knotting. The fabric was then doped once, the frayed edge tape applied, and the the doping continued. It is probable that French and German practice varied only in the details. Much the same RAF instructions for applying fabric were issued again in 1925 and 1940, just newer materials and dope formulations issued. So I erred in my quick answer. The rib tapes seem to have been a part of the anti-chafing, but there were two kinds, and the frayed edge, visible tapes were not the sewn ones, but the ones doped into the finish, and were more for an unpenetrated surface over stitching for weatherproofing, and the anti-ballooning of the fabric. Anyway, in any scale, they are a tedious task, usually best taken in small doses followed by a celebratory dram of your favorite imbibement for recovery purposes. -- This has been Mark and/or Mary Shannon at Shingend@ix.netcom.com History manages to get away with cliches no novelist could. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 18:09:36 -0800 From: mgoodwin@ricochet.net To: wwi Subject: Re: a nice thought Message-ID: <34554960.5E4B@ricochet.net> > nb: Ansaldo SVA (1/48) and Polish Camel (Anybody for a picture other than the one w/Murray standing in front of it?) Mike, I'm not promising anything, but I'll have a look through my scrapbooks. If memory serves, not many Camels made it into Polish service. Why not build a Polish Nieuport instead? I've got scads of photos of those. :-) Cheers, Riordan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 18:15:38 -0800 From: mgoodwin@ricochet.net To: wwi Subject: Re: Pics on list Message-ID: <34554ACA.4EC8@ricochet.net> > building a Glenco Albatros... A few of us have been there & done that :-). I'm even contemplating a Glencoe D.I or II conversion. If nothing else, they are good donor models; I discovered one of the props was a close match for a certain Breguet. Cheers, Riordan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 21:34:07 -0500 From: bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: yellowed decals Message-ID: <199710280234.VAA05395@pease1.sr.unh.edu> For those following this short story..... Sun bleaching worked like a charm. 3 days on the sun room window and the yellow disappeared. The film around the decal still sticks out a little, but overall the technique was simple and effective. Thanks to all who suggested it. Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 18:28:14 -0800 From: mgoodwin@ricochet.net To: wwi Subject: Help with Br. 123 Insignia Message-ID: <34554DBE.2A62@ricochet.net> Anybody with C&C 7/3 who is willing to make me copies of French Escadrilles of WWI article or at least the plate with the insignia of Br.123? In C&C 9/2 other Br.123 insignia are described in which I am also interested: red dragon on white crescent moon, and yellow eagles, with & w/o bombs. Thanks, Riordan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 18:35:00 -0800 From: mgoodwin@ricochet.net To: wwi Subject: Re: Roland D.II Message-ID: <34554F54.67D7@ricochet.net> REATON@ccmail.dsccc.com wrote: > > Just getting ready to finish up the Pegasus treatment of this > aircraft. Do any of our learned members have info on gun placement on > this bird? The kit comes with no guns and no clues. I presume they are > on top of the wing over the radiators, in handy reaching distance but > have seen no real data. Richard, E-mail your address directly (mgoodwin@ricochet.net) and I'll send you datafile drawings/relevant pics, if any. > ps fyi I am starting to have some success at molding 1/72 guns in > resin. Tricky though. You might want to do Vickers guns, as Paragon sells very good sets of 8 for around 3.00. But, if your having fun, don't mind me. Cheers, Riordan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 20:56:10 -0600 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: a nice thought Message-ID: <19971027.205615.15982.5.mbittner@juno.com> On Mon, 27 Oct 1997 19:53:26 -0500 GRBroman@aol.com writes: >Planes!?!, PLANES!!??!! >Matt, since he was speaking of models with no requirement to fly, he >*had* to be refering to the WW I armor kits ;) Glen, since most people can't see through the prop wash, I had to say that. Most of these folks wouldn't know a Mk.I from a Mk.III, even if they both rolled over their toes! :-) Note: above said with tongue firmly in cheek. Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 20:49:16 -0600 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Rib tapes Message-ID: <19971027.205615.15982.2.mbittner@juno.com> On Mon, 27 Oct 1997 17:41:57 -0500 Tom Werner Hansen writes: > You're right. I checked again to see if it could be done, and it > can. 0.4 of a mm is not quite as thin as it sounds. I have used > that narrow kind of strips before to mark out walkways and other > thin painted lines. I guess I'll try them on the Nieuport 17 > that's in the making. Edge tapes will have to be painted on. > That should be reasonably easy with a masking medium and a thick > coat of paint to represent the thickness of the tape. Tom, I want to know why you're putting tapes on; what color those tapes are; if you were successful at getting 0.4mm - and how; as well as how it came out. Pictures would be acceptable. > If I end up in the looney bin, I'll tell them you told me it > could be done. Two things will keep you out: 1) Modeling in the correct scale 2) Building Nieuports :-) Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 10:54:26 +0800 From: Joey Valenciano To: wwi Subject: Re: Pics on list Message-ID: <199710280254.KAA30669@fiesta.philonline.com.ph> At 07:03 PM 10/27/97 -0500, you wrote: > SPAM flavored ice cream, with real Spam bits topped not with whipped cream and a cherry but with ketchup and a pickle. ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 20:54:06 -0600 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: a nice thought Message-ID: <19971027.205615.15982.3.mbittner@juno.com> On Mon, 27 Oct 1997 18:44:59 -0500 bucky@postoffice.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) writes: > Fokker Triplane titled :Prepping the eagle Not a bad "diorama" > Fokker Biplane...DI or DII 2 bays D.II - nicely done. > Fokker D-VIII B&W tail and B&W starburst cowl Gads, there were so many D.VIII's, I can't remember just one. :-) > Fokker triplane...white back half This I can't remember at all. > Some German biplane/seaplane on floats A scratchbuilt Hansa-Brandenburg CC, I think. > Albatros DVa Crescent&Star w/black&white striped tail.(I did >one >like this, but damned if I can remember who flew the thing.) I was going to saw Udet's, but I don't think that's it, since the Udet one took the Mike Fritz. > Fokker D-VII Generic w/lozenge Don't remember, either. >Hmm. come to think of it, all German and NO PC-10!( Tape was done last >night...in mail tomorrow. Thanks for the decals!) There was a really well done RE8 in PC12, too! ;-) (Thanks, Mike) Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 21:56:01 -0600 From: "Bill Ciciora" To: Subject: Re: Dragon Aircraft Message-ID: John wrote: > However, the injection molded parts of the Eduard kits are far > below the standard of quality that was a hallmark of the DML kits. At the RCHTA show the Eduard booth had an unbuilt copy of the Bell X-1 kit on display. You may change your mind about Eduard's quality WRT Dragon after seeing this kit. It was beautiful. Bill C. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 19:57:57 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: a nice thought Message-ID: <03575728321381@KAIEN.COM> Could it be D.2284/17 of Hans Waldhausen of Jasta 37? Bob ---------- > From: bucky@postoffice.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) > Albatros DVa Crescent&Star w/black&white striped tail.(I did one > like this, but damned if I can remember who flew the thing.) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 22:07:58 -0600 From: "Bill Ciciora" To: Subject: Re: British Markings Message-ID: Bob revealed: > FMP is planning to publish his book in two volumes in the second > half of 1998. We can also say the books will feature the markings > of all British WWI squadrons illustrated with photographs Uh oh! There goes another $100+ -- guess I better start saving up now! Bill C. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 23:10:10 -0500 (EST) From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Albatros BII Message-ID: <971027225515_-56684350@emout04.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 97-10-27 21:13:27 EST, bucky@postoffice.ptd.net writes: << At 08:44 AM 10/27/97 -0500, Denest, Michael J wrote: >OK guys, I have a subject for you. Albatross B11a. Where can I find >some information about this aircraft. You know, 3 views, pictures, >> I've got some color shots of the Swedish version of the B II- Closeups of things like strut fittings and the 120 Mercedes engine- if you're interested I could scan them and shoot a file at you. Robert ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 23:11:25 -0500 (EST) From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: British Markings Message-ID: <971027230217_41056078@emout10.mail.aol.com> An insane guy gave me a bound edition of the magazine "Military Modeling"- this thing is 3 1/2" thick. There are several RFC/RAF WW I squadron markings covered.Here goes ( in the order that they appeared in the magazines):squadron # 3, 73, 65, 28, 80, 62, 84, 19, 112,. 87, 94, 139 and 100 Robert ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 23:17:59 -0500 (EST) From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi Subject: fabric tapes Message-ID: <971027231337_1735512272@emout10.mail.aol.com> On the general subject of fabric tapes- what's the deal with the French? I'm familiar with the German and British ways- every rib methodically stitched and taped but the French did things differently. SPADS didn't have every rib stitched and taped. I can't figure any method for Nieuports. Also it seems that the French sometime just tacked the fabric to the structure.( I'm aware of the early half-round caning as in the Moranes). Any comments? In my more obsessive moments I've been known to include stitching detail on my 1/48 projects- it's easy- just a few hundred little dwaps of thickened acrylic paint and KAZOINK! scale stitching! Robert ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 20:25:12 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: British Markings Message-ID: <04251269421463@KAIEN.COM> Bill, Actually these will be most likely done in the new softcover format (too bad as I would like to be in a hardcover book - well not me personally, but my work), so the cost should be somewhat easier to bear. Bob ---------- > From: "Bill Ciciora" > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: British Markings > Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 23:12:14 -0500 > > Bob revealed: > > > FMP is planning to publish his book in two volumes in the second > > half of 1998. We can also say the books will feature the markings > > of all British WWI squadrons illustrated with photographs > > Uh oh! There goes another $100+ -- guess I better start saving up now! > > > > Bill C. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 23:23:30 -0500 From: John & Allison Cyganowski To: wwi Subject: Re: fabric tapes Message-ID: <345568C2.185A@worldnet.att.net> KarrArt@aol.com wrote: > > > In my more obsessive moments I've been known to include stitching detail on > my 1/48 projects- it's easy- just a few hundred little dwaps of thickened > acrylic paint and KAZOINK! scale stitching! > Robert Fotocut makes photoetch stitching. I saw it at Dayton and felt very inadequate! ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 730 *********************