WWI Digest 728 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Threads Was: I wonder where everyone is.... by GRBroman@aol.com 2) Re: British Markings by "Bill Ciciora" 3) Vacform heater by "Tom Werner Hansen" 4) Rib tapes by "Tom Werner Hansen" 5) Re: British Markings by Bob Pearson 6) Re: News from Prague by ModelerAl@aol.com 7) Re: Blue Rider BR500 series by ModelerAl@aol.com 8) MPM Brandenburg W.29 (part 3) by Shane Weier 9) by Pedro Nuno Soares 10) by Pedro Nuno Soares 11) Dragon Aircraft (was News from Prague) by John & Allison Cyganowski 12) Re: News from Prague by Crofoot 13) Re: Pfaltz D.XII - Tom's or Blue Max? by Mick Fauchon 14) Aircraft Photos to the List by phoward@abilene.com (Paul Howard) 15) Re: Pfaltz D.XII - Tom's or Blue Max? by phoward@abilene.com (Paul Howard) 16) RE: Aircraft Photos to the List by Shane Weier 17) Re: Rib tapes by The Shannons 18) Re: Pfaltz D.XII - Tom's or Blue Max? by Charles Hart 19) RE: Aircraft Photos to the List by Bob Pearson 20) Re: Vacform heater by "Eli Geher" 21) Re: Aircraft Photos to the List by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 22) RE: Aircraft Photos to the List by Charles Hart 23) Re: Rib tapes by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 24) Re: Rib tapes by "Don RInker" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 15:17:16 -0500 (EST) From: GRBroman@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Threads Was: I wonder where everyone is.... Message-ID: <971026151450_-1393193781@emout05.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 97-10-25 14:30:38 EDT, you write: << Not at all. Ladies silk stockings were common head gear among early aviators. They were warm, relatively windproof, and didn't itch too much. I wouldn't be surprised to find them worn on the legs for the same reasons, as underwear >> The actual reason they were worn is protection to the neck from chafing. Combat in the skies, then as now, requires ones head to continualy rotate. Your neck would chafe very badly unless protected. The silk stockings prevented this. Especially with the bulky clothing required by open cockpits. Glen ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 14:23:58 -0600 From: "Bill Ciciora" To: Subject: Re: British Markings Message-ID: Bob said of the British Markings book: > NOT INCLUDED ARE INSTRUCTIONS RELATING TO UNITS > or styles adopted by individuals. Does there exist a comprehensive book on RFC/RNAS/RAF squadron markings of WWI? Bill C. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 21:40:21 +0100 From: "Tom Werner Hansen" To: Subject: Vacform heater Message-ID: <199710262038.VAA01705@d1o211.telia.com> I'm in the process of building a vac-form machine, but need tips on how I can heat the plastic card to soften it. The instructions say to use the grill in the stove/range, but our appliance doesn't have that bit. Also I seem to remember severely burned digits when moulding canopies with the old plug and female mould. Is there another way? Can I use the heat from a heatgun(?) like the one I use to remove old paint (Not from models, I hasten to add)? Tom Werner Hansen (please note new e-mail, in case I'm in anybody's address book: ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 21:46:03 +0100 From: "Tom Werner Hansen" To: Subject: Rib tapes Message-ID: <199710262038.VAA01710@d1o211.telia.com> I know I'm running the risk of sounding pretty ignorant here, but I need some enlightenment here. So I wonder if any of you wise guys (notice: no hyphen) could shed some light on this namely regarding: What was it? When was it used? What colour(s) were generally used? How wide were they? What is good method of simulating rib tapes? I know I could probably find all this out by myself by sifting through the material that is slowly accumulating on the topic, but this is much more fun. Humour is usually in short supply when dealing with WWI outside of this list. Tom Werner Hansen ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 13:20:26 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: British Markings Message-ID: <21202645618208@KAIEN.COM> Bill, There is the old Harleyford book which has a section at the back showing line drawing of most British units. I can send you scans/copies of these if you like (I don't have the book, but copied them years ago from Brad Gossen's copy). Or you could look through my list of 1/48 profiles which has 400 Commonwealth aircraft from 123 units profiled - eventually I will have them all scanned in and available by email. Regards, Bob ---------- > From: "Bill Ciciora" > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: British Markings > Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 15:29:53 -0500 > > Bob said of the British Markings book: > > > NOT INCLUDED ARE INSTRUCTIONS RELATING TO UNITS > > or styles adopted by individuals. > > Does there exist a comprehensive book on RFC/RNAS/RAF squadron markings of > WWI? > > > > Bill C. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 17:42:07 -0500 (EST) From: ModelerAl@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: News from Prague Message-ID: <971026174206_1244585586@mrin46.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 97-10-26 15:16:42 EST, Barry wrote: <> Could be, but I quoted him *exactly*. Just thought this info might have been interesting to the list... Al ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 17:45:12 -0500 (EST) From: ModelerAl@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Blue Rider BR500 series Message-ID: <971026174207_2115591154@emout02.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 97-10-26 15:16:42 EST, Riordan wrote: <> Gee, you guys really should check the disposal list on my site *once* in a while (a little blatant self-promotion). I've had the BR503 on there for months... Al http://users.aol.com/modeleral ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 07:55:23 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi'" Subject: MPM Brandenburg W.29 (part 3) Message-ID: <199710262305.JAA09490@mimmon.mim.com.au> Hello all, Still more W.29 stuff...... I now have the interior complete. A couple more warnings are in order. On my sample the pilots seat is slightly too wide for the interior. To some extent I'd anticipated this. When I added stringer detail to the sidewall I first scraped the walls down considerably both to get a smooth surface and to make room for the 10thou detail. I also thinned the seat back and sides to near transparency in order to get a nearer scale seat back. Just the same, it interfered with the sidewall detail, which had to have some localised work to make everything fit. Instrument panel/firewall is easy. I chose the etched brass version, and used tiny fragments of prepainted decal sheet to "paint" the instruments/controls/data plate rather than trust my shaky hands. Unmentioned (IIRC) in the instructions are several tiny holes/slots in the plate which need even tinier switches in them. I used minute bits of brass shim and fine copper electrical wire. The engine bearer "platform" is also slightly too wide, and as with the cockpit, the locating tabs are somewhat offset, though not as bad. I found that it will be possible to glue the halves together and slide in the engine from the front before adding the radiator part, which will ease sanding the join between the halves (by keeping the fragile engine out of the way) I offset the elevators and thinned the trailng edges. This is the usual pain in the rear because of the difficulty of keeping the indentations along the rear consistent, but pays dividends in the final finish. Incidentally, I chose the later style small tailplane, but the chord at the centre is about 10 thou shorter than the slot in the fuselage top. Just room for a card shim, or a wipe of putty. So - almost ready to join the halves. Given that I had some slight problems with all the nterior being a little wide, I may have been better off lamination a 5 thou shim along the fuselage edges. At first glance the engine is terrible. I started to prepare a scratchbuilt one, but fortunately came to my senses and decided to have a close look at the kit part to decide if it's salvageable. I think it is useable, but the flash is fairly awful. I removed *all* the detail above the cylinder head and will use all the area below - block, cylinders, manifolds, ancillary gear - with scratchbuilt piping and cylinder head detail. I justify this because it's only 1/72 after all, and the gear inside the panels will be almost invisible, while the cylinder heads are right out there with the viewers beady eyes !! And that, folks is all for this time. By the next installment I should have the teensy thing looking like a plane, Shane ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 22:46:04 +0100 From: Pedro Nuno Soares To: "'ww1 modeling list'" Message-ID: <01BCE262.26CD6A80@fei1-p5.telepac.pt> Hi guys, After a long spell during which I indulged in modeling activities I = wouldn't dare telling this list about (things with wheels but no wings - = almost as serious a sin as doing one of the Me 10... things, I guess) I = finally found time to start working on the Airfix Rolland. The kit has some dimensional faults when compared to the plans on the = datafile (thanks again Matt) and I started by correcting the wings and = ailerons. In the process of doing this I sanded all of the rib detail on = the wings first because I wanted to get rid of the "fabric impression" = on the wings, second because I destroyed some rib detail while = correcting the wings and third because I'll profit from the opportunity = to correct the placement of the ribs on the wings. Now the question: What's the better way of simulating ribs? I remember = reading on the list that some people use tape to simulate ribs. Any info = on this? Will the tape stick forever? what kind of tape? I also remember reading that Steve Hustad actually scribes the ribs in. = (What is you who mentioned it, Matt?) Any info on this method? I'm also planning not to add ribs on the underside of the wings = (following a thread that developed some time ago on the list) but = perhaps marking their place with a soft pencil wouldn't be a bad idea. = Again, any thoughts on this, guys? TIA Pedro PS. One more thing. Planning is written wiith one n or with a double, as = I just did? Thanks. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 22:24:04 +0100 From: Pedro Nuno Soares To: "'ww1 modeling list'" Message-ID: <01BCE262.2404D4A0@fei1-p5.telepac.pt> Alberto wrote: >I normally place it through the wings all the way to the=20 other side, fix it with cyano and sand the outer side of the wings = flush.=20 HI Alberto Do you paint the wings on your models after doing the rigging? I've = thought about that too but it seemed too complicated. How do you protect = the rest of the model from getting paint on? Cheers Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 18:11:42 -0500 From: John & Allison Cyganowski To: wwi Subject: Dragon Aircraft (was News from Prague) Message-ID: <3453CE2E.11D@worldnet.att.net> ModelerAl@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 97-10-26 15:16:42 EST, Barry wrote: > > < > Per the post: > DML Nie 17 & Hanriot HD-2 ??????? > > Thats weird. Eduards is doing the same subjects. > Wonder if the writer got the information wrong.>> > > Could be, but I quoted him *exactly*. Just thought this info might have > been interesting to the list... > > Al DML Dragon has not released any new aircraft in quite some time. My understanding was that they have abandoned aircraft manufacture altogether to concentrate on armour. Until very recently there has been no word on their unrealeased aircraft projects (Ju-88 A-4, Sopwith Camel). The new Promodeler Catalog lists a Ju-88 A4 and an Fw-190 (I know I am calling down a lightning strike for mentioning these aircraft). These are reputed to be DML tooling. I thought I had heard that DML would continue to market their current titles. The appearence of the afore mentioned WWII German fighter in Promodeler's line-up calls this into question. I doubt very much we would ever see Eduard tooling in a DML box. Eduard's kits are a breath of fresh air for the WWI Aero modeler. However, the injection molded parts of the Eduard kits are far below the standard of quality that was a hallmark of the DML kits. Just some opinion and conjecture. John ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 17:16:14 -0600 From: Crofoot To: wwi Subject: Re: News from Prague Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19971026171614.0081bbc0@computerpro.com> At 05:46 PM 10/26/97 -0500, you wrote: >In a message dated 97-10-26 15:16:42 EST, Barry wrote: > >< > Per the post: > DML Nie 17 & Hanriot HD-2 ??????? > > Thats weird. Eduards is doing the same subjects. > Wonder if the writer got the information wrong.>> > > Could be, but I quoted him *exactly*. Just thought this info might have >been interesting to the list... > >Al > > Al, Sorry to have to correct you but I just checked the Belgium newsletter and if you reread the info, he states that the Nieuport and Hanriot are in fact Eduard. The listing directly follows the section on Dragon Shanghi so I can see how the mistake was made. Tim ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 10:30:23 +1100 (EST) From: Mick Fauchon To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Pfaltz D.XII - Tom's or Blue Max? Message-ID: > I haven't seen a BM Pfalz D.XII, and at $50US, I probably won't. I have > the Tom's kit. It's a few inches off here and there, but I can live with > that. The overall look is definitely that of a D.XII. I haven't seen the resin offering, but I bought the vac-form one some years ago and agree that it's pretty good. Some of the detail on the fuselage is a bit "soft", but the wings are some of the best I've seen in that medium. Got me tossed why they supplied one-and-a-half tailplanes, though. The BM kit I have on order, but by the time it gets here I might be an old [older?] man 80\ > Have Fun!! I'll look foreward to it 80) Cheers, Mick. -- -- Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM M M M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M M M M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M M M MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 17:53:12 -0600 From: phoward@abilene.com (Paul Howard) To: "post wwi" Subject: Aircraft Photos to the List Message-ID: <01bce26a$51da4100$71868ece@default> Okay, it's Sunday and I'm working up the enthusiasm for tackling the tail/ turtledeck correction on my Triplane. I figured while I was wasting time, I'd pose a question to the group. To keep from irritating anyone, I'd like to know how people feel about sending some photos to the list and opening a discussion about the markings on some planes that I feel have been incorrectly represented before. These would be in a fairly high compression JPG files since it is almost a universal format . I would also limit the file size of the messages to under 150KB or so to keep the speed of downloading mail at a quick pace. The main reason I'm suggesting this is, we often talk about aircraft that others have never seen. As a first subject, I'd like to discuss the markings on Lt. von Hipple's Dragon marked Albatros D.V. Yes or No, I won't have any hard feelings if I'm told to go stuff myself. Just thought I'd toss the idea out and see what you all(yall if you speak Southern) think. Cheers, Paul H ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 18:02:00 -0600 From: phoward@abilene.com (Paul Howard) To: Subject: Re: Pfaltz D.XII - Tom's or Blue Max? Message-ID: <01bce26b$8c3cbca0$71868ece@default> Got the BM kit, and IMHO is by far the best Mr. Gannon has done. I don't think you'll be disappointed with it. And by the way all, If you order direct from BM, the cost is 19.99 pounds including worldwide postage. The only bad thing is that for us in the US, the IMOs that go to the UK cost about $6.50 and take forever to get on the way. I absolutely hate dealing by credit card but I may start breaking my own rules on how I handle mine. Cheers, Paul H -----Original Message----- From: Mick Fauchon To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Sunday, October 26, 1997 4:34 PM Subject: Re: Pfaltz D.XII - Tom's or Blue Max? > > > >> I haven't seen a BM Pfalz D.XII, and at $50US, I probably won't. I have >> the Tom's kit. It's a few inches off here and there, but I can live with >> that. The overall look is definitely that of a D.XII. > > > I haven't seen the resin offering, but I bought the vac-form one >some years ago and agree that it's pretty good. Some of the detail on the >fuselage is a bit "soft", but the wings are some of the best I've seen in >that medium. Got me tossed why they supplied one-and-a-half tailplanes, >though. > The BM kit I have on order, but by the time it gets here I might be >an old [older?] man 80\ > >> Have Fun!! > > I'll look foreward to it 80) > > > > > Cheers, > > Mick. > > > > >-- -- >Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au >Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 >University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 > > MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM > M M > M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M > M M > M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M > M M > MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 09:14:24 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: wwi Subject: RE: Aircraft Photos to the List Message-ID: <199710270023.KAA11174@mimmon.mim.com.au> Paul asks: >As a first subject, I'd like to discuss the markings on >Lt. von Hipple's Dragon marked Albatros D.V. >Yes or No, I won't have any hard feelings if I'm told to go stuff myself. >Just thought I'd toss the idea out and see what you all(yall if you speak >Southern) think. I'd love to see them but.... The volume of mail has me teetering on the brink of banishment and I can't think of any worse modelling punishment (short of blindness etc) Perhaps Al can institute a "discussion page" for temporary placement of pics, and you could post them to him, then refer people to the page. I know this would add workload for him, and delay things a bit, thus taking away the immediacy which is one of the lists greatest assets, but losing y'all (see *I*can do it) would be an awful fate. OTOH I suppose there are list members who can't access the web site, and what about their difficulties with *my* solution. Sigh.... Shane ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 18:31:06 -0600 From: The Shannons To: wwi Subject: Re: Rib tapes Message-ID: <3453E0CA.3FD9@ix.netcom.com> Tom Werner Hansen wrote: > > I know I'm running the risk of sounding pretty ignorant here, but I need > some enlightenment here. So I wonder if any of you wise guys (notice: no > hyphen) could shed some light on this namely regarding: > What was it? These were linen tapes that were sewn into the rib areas for an extra thickness to help cut down on chafing of the fabric. They were also sewn around the perimeters of wings, tails, etc. > When was it used? It started in widespread use about 1916, on both sides. It is still used in a modern form for any fabric-covered aircraft, even if the fabric is mylar. > What colour(s) were generally used? Colors depended on the manufacturer and specifications. A "pink" tape was supplied to the German manufacturers and a similar color was used in Nieuports, along with a blue. The actual, exact colors were and are a bit of a study. Along with these manufactured tapes, there was use of strips of the cloth used for the overall covering -- most noticable in the lozenge camouflages, as you can see on the excellent SS D.III among Paul Howard's models on the website -- but also in the clear-doped look as seen on British-built Spad 7's. > How wide were they? Standard width was 1" main ribbon, with pinked or frayed edges extending another 1/4 - 1/2" on either side. > What is good method of simulating rib tapes? Strips of decal. For lozenge cases, the aftermarket sheets typically supply you with ribbons, SuperScale is rather stingy, but AeroMaster is generous, the others I'm not as familiar with. For the matching lozenge strips, you will have to cut your own. One hint is not to try and cut all the way through the decal and backing paper, as this leads to cracking of the film and more difficulties applying. For Nieuports, or other Allied planes with obvious rib tapes, borrow extra from the German packages or make your own. > > I know I could probably find all this out by myself by sifting through the > material that is slowly accumulating on the topic, but this is much more > fun. Humour is usually in short supply when dealing with WWI outside of > this list. Just try doing a few rib-taped, lozenged aircraft in a row, you may find yourself running short of humor, too! Actually, the first five or six are difficult -- after that, you've lost your mind and don't care anymore. > > Tom Werner Hansen Welcome to the ranks of the crazed. -- This has been Mark and/or Mary Shannon at Shingend@ix.netcom.com History manages to get away with cliches no novelist could. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 18:41:24 -0700 From: Charles Hart To: wwi Subject: Re: Pfaltz D.XII - Tom's or Blue Max? Message-ID: >Got the BM kit, and IMHO is by far the best Mr. Gannon has done. I don't >think you'll >be disappointed with it. And by the way all, If you order direct from BM, >the cost is 19.99 pounds >including worldwide postage. The only bad thing is that for us in the US, >the IMOs that go to >the UK cost about $6.50 and take forever to get on the way. I absolutely >hate dealing by credit card >but I may start breaking my own rules on how I handle mine. > >Cheers, >Paul H > I have ordered Pegasus kits and decals on several occasions and used my credit card to pay for the order. I usually send a letter the old fashioned way, FAXs to the UK cost too much and for US$ 0.50 my letter gets there in 7 days or less. I have had consistently excellent service ordering direct. Most U.S. banks (apparently including yours) charge out the backside for currency conversions. At least most credit card companies have gotten the idea that they don't have to charge exorbantly for transactions involving currency exchanges. I'd recommend charging ahead (literally) with your BM direct purchases. My US$ 0.02. Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu Now nursing some bumps and bruses after some splendid "very" early season backcountry skiing. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 16:45:38 -0800 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: RE: Aircraft Photos to the List Message-ID: <00453881018544@KAIEN.COM> I would have to agree with Shane as to not sending to the list at large. One other thing not taken into consideration is the limit that Al's Server places on messages. I accidentally sent a 230k file to the list - fortunately it came back as too big since it will only take messages up to around 60k (I don't think all of you wanted to see a pile of Italian aircraft anyhow). However if you have a photo of it besides the usual one with von Hippel and his sister beside the aircraft or after having overturned I would love to see them. Regards, Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 18:39:22 -0600 From: "Eli Geher" To: Subject: Re: Vacform heater Message-ID: <199710270039.SAA10727@sh1.ro.com> I've had good results with a heat gun. The industrial type is best because it has a higher volume of air, but the smaller, home handyman type works too. It just takes longer. You need to keep the gun moving to avoid local hot spots, but a little practice and a few bad parts will get you through it. Another technique I've used is to just stick the whole thing in the oven with the door open, but its not the best way! I've lost 2 vacuum cleaners that way. Eli Geher > > I'm in the process of building a vac-form machine, but need tips on how I > can heat the plastic card to soften it. The instructions say to use the > grill in the stove/range, but our appliance doesn't have that bit. Also I > seem to remember severely burned digits when moulding canopies with the old > plug and female mould. Is there another way? Can I use the heat from a > heatgun(?) like the one I use to remove old paint (Not from models, I > hasten to add)? > > Tom Werner Hansen ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 16:38:44 -0800 From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: Aircraft Photos to the List Message-ID: <199710270038.AA12181@ednet1.orednet.org> Paul H diligently types. >I'd like to know >how people feel about sending some photos to the list and opening a >discussion about the markings on some >planes that I feel have been incorrectly represented before. These would >be in a fairly high compression JPG files >since it is almost a universal format . I would also limit the file size >of the messages to under 150KB or so to keep >the speed of downloading mail at a quick pace. Please don't - I currently have about 650 KB of mailbox space available to me - four 150 KB JPG e-mails from the list would fill my mailbox and cause my mail to start bouncing - and incidently causing me to be automatically unsubscribed from the list as I understand Al has the server set up to automatically unsubscribe you at the first hint of a bounced e-mail [Yeah, I know I should get an ISP which is more generous with allocating disc space but I've been with these folks a long time, they treat me right, the phone lines are never busy, and the techies respond to my problems on the same day I report them.] Better you should post JPG's to a web site and just post a reference here as to where the photos are available. Or just e-mail them to folks which request 'em. But, if 150 KB JPG's started bouncing around the list on any sort of regular basis, I'd have to unsubscribe because my modest disk allocation by my ISP just couldn't handle it. I trust I'm not the only one who is limited in the amount of memory allocated to the mailbox function. Cheers and all, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org "All generalizations are dangerous, even this one." Alexandre Dumas ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 18:50:40 -0700 From: Charles Hart To: wwi Subject: RE: Aircraft Photos to the List Message-ID: >Paul asks: > > >As a first subject, I'd like to discuss the markings on > >Lt. von Hipple's Dragon marked Albatros D.V. > > >Yes or No, I won't have any hard feelings if I'm told to go >stuff myself. > >Just thought I'd toss the idea out and see what you all(yall if >you speak > >Southern) think. > >I'd love to see them but.... > >The volume of mail has me teetering on the brink of banishment and I >can't think of any worse modelling punishment (short of blindness etc) > >Perhaps Al can institute a "discussion page" for temporary placement of >pics, and you could post them to him, then refer people to the page. > >I know this would add workload for him, and delay things a bit, thus >taking away the immediacy which is one of the lists greatest assets, but >losing y'all (see *I*can do it) would be an awful fate. OTOH I suppose >there are list members who can't access the web site, and what about >their difficulties with *my* solution. Sigh.... >Shane I'll second Shane's view. This list generates a lot of traffic and adding .JPG files to the mix will only make our mailboxes bulge even larger. If Al can post these things on the web page, great. That will be the easiest way for me to view these things. As for the von Hipple Dragon, these markings are available by a couple of decal makers, though I think that the Americal/Gryphon issue is the only one presently "in print". This isn't to say that stocks by other makers aren't lurking in some hobby shop somewhere in the world. The A/G instructions give a pretty comprehensive view of these markings. What do you want to know ? Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 16:52:59 -0800 From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: Rib tapes Message-ID: <199710270052.AA17433@ednet1.orednet.org> Mark writes: > >Tom Werner Hansen wrote: >> >> I know I'm running the risk of sounding pretty ignorant here, but I need >> some enlightenment here. So I wonder if any of you wise guys (notice: no >> hyphen) could shed some light on this namely regarding: >> What was it? > >These were linen tapes that were sewn into the rib areas for an extra >thickness to help cut down on chafing of the fabric. They were also >sewn around the perimeters of wings, tails, etc. Was not the fabric actually stitched onto the ribs to prevent the air pressure from causing the fabric to separate upwards from the ribs and thus deforming the desired airfoil? And were not the rib tapes intended to provide a reinforcement for the stitching? Ditto the tapes around the perimeters were intended for reinforcing where the top fabric panel was stitched to the lower? I didn't understand that "cutting down" chafing entered into it except to the extent that stitching the fabric to the ribs would prevent movement of the fabric and thus eliminate the possibility of chafing altogether. But, I might be all wet on this. Cheers, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org "All generalizations are dangerous, even this one." Alexandre Dumas ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 20:01:04 -0500 From: "Don RInker" To: Subject: Re: Rib tapes Message-ID: <01bce273$ccf29e60$2cef93cd@default> From: The Shannons > >These were linen tapes that were sewn into the rib areas for an extra >thickness to help cut down on chafing of the fabric. They were also >sewn around the perimeters of wings, tails, etc. > Weawy? How Intewesting..... I gwess doping them on was just a nasty wumor huhu hu uh... How duz somfwin on the outside help chwaffing ??? Metamorfa.. metmwofos... awww shwucks............. >It started in widespread use about 1916, on both sides. It is still >used in a modern form for any fabric-covered aircraft, even if the >fabric is mylar. > Weawy? Was there an iternawshunal diwective?? > >Standard width was 1" main ribbon, with pinked or frayed edges extending >another 1/4 - 1/2" on either side. Oh how cwever.. Maybe the pinked tapes twelopworted back in time.... Wewre is the tape powice when you need them???? Elmer Fudd ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 728 *********************