WWI Digest 707 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: I'm back by BStett3770@aol.com 2) Re: Flying Machines Press Sikorsky S.16 book by BStett3770@aol.com 3) Re: Pfalz D.VIII by phoward@abilene.com (Paul Howard) 4) State of the Hobby - an ongoing report by Shane Weier 5) Re: IRAS Nie.11 schemes by Bob Pearson 6) Re: IRAS Nie.11 schemes by mgoodwin 7) Re: Sopwith Tabloid by KarrArt@aol.com 8) DML D.VII (sans Udet) for trade by NPWE28A@prodigy.com ( KENNETH L HAGERUP) 9) Rene Dorme's #12 Nie.17 by mgoodwin 10) Re: DML D.VII (sans Udet) for trade by mgoodwin 11) Re: Rene Dorme's #12 Nie.17 by Bob Pearson 12) Re: Internal ply panels by B-A-L 13) Re: Rene Dorme's #12 Nie.17 by Alberto Rada 14) Re: Internal ply panels by "Leonard Endy" 15) Re: Internal ply panels by Bob Pearson 16) Re: I'm back by Hirohisa Ozaki 17) Re: Internal ply panels by John & Allison Cyganowski 18) Re: IRAS Nie.11 schemes by mbittner@juno.com 19) IRAS birds by mbittner@juno.com 20) Re: Rene Dorme's #12 Nie.17 by mgoodwin 21) Re: Internal ply panels by "Scott M. Head" 22) Re: Internal ply panels by Mick Fauchon 23) Re: Internal ply panels by B-A-L 24) Re: Internal ply panels by B-A-L 25) Re: Internal ply panels by Suvoroff@aol.com 26) RE: JEAN NAVARRE by "Jim Mordal" <2504mord@elkr149.mnext.umn.edu> 27) Imries-Pictorial History of the German Army Air Service 1914-1918 by Graham Nash 28) Fokker D.VIII by "Paul Schwartzkopf" 29) Re: Fokker D.VIII by Don RInker 30) Re: Fokker D.VIII by Sandy Adam 31) RE: JEAN NAVARRE by Sandy Adam 32) Re: Fokker D.VIII by phoward@abilene.com (Paul Howard) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 14:34:50 -0400 (EDT) From: BStett3770@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: I'm back Message-ID: <971012143446_407838589@emout19.mail.aol.com> Hi Joey GREAT NEWS !!!! Happy to have you back. Barry Rosemont Hobby ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 14:41:35 -0400 (EDT) From: BStett3770@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Flying Machines Press Sikorsky S.16 book Message-ID: <971012144053_-469129728@emout16.mail.aol.com> Hi Joey 32 pages, 3 pages color ( Inside , front & back covers and back cover) 37 photos, 1/72 & 1/48 three view drawings, 7 cutaway drawing. Keep Modeling Barry Rosemont Hobby ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 14:56:20 -0500 From: phoward@abilene.com (Paul Howard) To: Subject: Re: Pfalz D.VIII Message-ID: <01bcd748$e9102da0$34868ece@default> Matt, You builders of teeny weenie scale have had the lion's share of stuff for as long as I can remember. You'll have to forgive me for not being totally distraught that we builders of the "One True Scale" actually have a plane you guys don't. ;-) But in the words of our President, "I feel your pain." :-0 Cheers, Paul H. -----Original Message----- From: mbittner@juno.com To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Sunday, October 12, 1997 10:59 AM Subject: Re: Pfalz D.VIII >On Sun, 12 Oct 1997 11:02:18 -0400 phoward@abilene.com (Paul Howard) >writes: > >> Glad to have you back. From the word I've gotten so far, I >> guess we won't have to convert that Siemens to a Pfalz D.VIII. >> It seems that the new Tom's resin kit is a good one. I still >> can't wait to use the info you sent on that bird. Once again, >> great to have you back. > >Oooo...I had to chime in hear. I can't even imagine converting a >Siemens Schuckert to a Pfalz. Gads. At least you Braille >Scalers are getting a Pfalz D.VIII. Us Scale of King builders >still have to resort converting a Pfalz Dr.I (take a look at >Steve Hustad's beauty). > > >Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 06:04:45 +1100 From: Shane Weier To: wwi Subject: State of the Hobby - an ongoing report Message-ID: <34411F4D.75FA@qld.mim.com.au> 'lo all Twelve months ago I posted a report on our State model show in which I bemoaned the fact that WW1 models were horribly low in numbers. I figured on making it a linear study of the health of the hobby, so I note that Last year only one (ONE!!!) ww1 aircraft in the contest, this year - six, though the sole wwi tank entry was not repeated. There were several ww1 figures in their categories though. Last year just four ww1 aircraft and 1 tank on the various club displays and this year fourteen aircraft and one tank. So in simple numbers things are looking up. But aircraft in general seem a little out of favour. There were just four sections - large (>1:51) and small scale enhanced, and large (>1:51) and small scale modified. But the good news is still to come. Large scale enhanced 1st 1:48 Morane Saulnier N (a superb Eduard by my friend Graham Steel, and his first WW1 model - I hate him) 2nd 1:48 Fokker D.VIII (the DML kit) 3rd and most subsequent places held by Accurate Miniatures and Tamiya superkits of one sort or another. Large scale modified. 1st A Fw-190 something or other 2nd A Fokker D.VII (The DML kit, converted to OAW) Third etc. Lots of WW2 stuff, a couple of jets and somewhere waay down the line my MS-L :-( Small scale Enhanced No WW1 stuff in the prize list, but a nice 0/400 which must have been close Small scale Modified 1st Fokker D.VII (The Revell kit) 2nd Roland D.II (The Pegasus kit) 3rd and subsequent - no more WW1 models. So, all in all, I think a blow has been struck for WW1 subjects - and a few nay-sayers (who insist that you absolutely *must* buy the latest Accurate Miniatures masterpiece to be in with a chance) have been routed. So after 40 hours hard work at QMHE over three days, I'm awake at 5am and can't sleep. Too damn keyed up after all that non-stop modelling! Shane ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 13:57:42 -0700 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: IRAS Nie.11 schemes Message-ID: <20574281582917@KAIEN.COM> Riordan, Although there are no Ni.11s shown in the illustrations, there is a Ni.10 plus a M-S N, M-S P, SPAD VII and SPAD S.2 all of which are in CDL. A Ni.21 flown by Smirnov during August 1917 is shown in two-tone camouflage and has an overwing Madsen in place of the Lewis. This aircraf6t has a white/blue/red rudder. The usual Ni.17 (Bob) is also shown. A quick glance shows a photo on page 80 of a Dux built Ni.16 with fuselage rioundel, death's head on rudder and overwing Madsen apparently in Dux grey finish. If you would like a scan of any of the above let me know. Regards, Bob Pearson ---------- > From: mgoodwin > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: IRAS Nie.11 schemes > Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 12:31:50 -0400 > > Anyone with the FMP book, > > Are there any color plates or photos of Nie.11s of the 19th's 'Death or > Glory' boys with the b/w or w/b death's head rudder? I have one > reference showing them equipped with Morane Ls, Ns and Nie.17s. > Natural linen or silver-gray doped 11s? > > Thanks, > > Riordan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 14:32:12 -0700 From: mgoodwin To: wwi Subject: Re: IRAS Nie.11 schemes Message-ID: <344141DC.6E24@ricochet.net> Bob Pearson wrote: > > Riordan, > > Although there are no Ni.11s shown in the illustrations, there is a Ni.10 > plus a M-S N, M-S P, SPAD VII and SPAD S.2 all of which are in CDL. A Ni.21 > flown by Smirnov during August 1917 is shown in two-tone camouflage and has > an overwing Madsen in place of the Lewis. This aircraf6t has a > white/blue/red rudder. The usual Ni.17 (Bob) is also shown. A quick glance > shows a photo on page 80 of a Dux built Ni.16 with fuselage rioundel, > death's head on rudder and overwing Madsen apparently in Dux grey finish. > > If you would like a scan of any of the above let me know. > > Regards, > Bob Pearson > > > Thanks, > > > > Riordan Bob, Thanks for the reply. I would be interested in seeing Smirnov's 21 and the Dux 16. Do you have the Blue Rider 1/48 IRAS sheet? If not, let me know if you're interested and I'll send you copies of the data sheet. The aircraft covered, i.e., Nieuports, Spads, a Strutter and a Morane 'L' are in the usual somewhat bland schemes, but the 19th's bones are prominently featured, and there's one rudder skull with wild hair. The Smer decal sheet depicts a Dux-built 11/16 with a rather fat looking death's head, presumably of the 19th. Its not as if anyone at the local meetings would know IRAS markings, inaccurate or otherwise! Cheers, Riordan Cheers, Riordan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 18:09:08 -0400 (EDT) From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Sopwith Tabloid Message-ID: <971012180757_-193215892@emout16.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 97-10-12 09:24:51 EDT, sandya@cbbs.demon.co.uk writes: << Hi again Robert I've looked up several sources on Tabloids and the only ref I can find with stagger and ailerons is in the Kenneth Munson Blandford book where a/c 1209 (or it might be 1208 - difficult to make out) is shown with both. However in the A&AP Warbirds vol on Sopwith Fighters, Jack Bruce includes these serials in a group which he states had zero stagger so I am dubious. As I understand it the first Tabloids were designated SS1 and supplied to RFC, with some being passed on to RNAS. These had stagger and no ailerons. The RNAS then ordered 12 machines (1201 - 1212) which were designated SS2 and had ailerons, zero stagger, V undercarraiges and larger tailplanes. Thus Munson's 3-view is a bit suspect. I have checked out Bruce Robertsons Harleyford book, JM Bruce's Putnam British Aeroplanes and MacDonald Fighters vol 2 as well as numerous passing refs abnd can find no pictures of an SS2 with stagger. I think you can safely bet on stagger/warps or no stagger/ailerons but stagger/ailerons has to be an act of faith. Pity, since I'd rather model a Tabloid with stagger as it is aesthetically much more pleasing but lack of ailerons make it seem a bit naff! HTH Sandy >> Howdy- thanks.Yeah, I consulted some of these sources- the MunsonBlandford books have several anamolies.The new MiniDatafile has convinced me no such beast existed. And, yes, a staggered Tabloid is much more aesthetically pleasing! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 18:26:53, -0500 From: NPWE28A@prodigy.com ( KENNETH L HAGERUP) To: wwi Subject: DML D.VII (sans Udet) for trade Message-ID: <199710122226.SAB03512@mime4.prodigy.com> -- [ From: Kenneth Hagerup * EMC.Ver #2.5.3 ] -- I've got a DML 1/48 Fokker D.VII, kit 5908 to trade. I only bought it for the Udet bust and would like to trade the kit for something in 1/72 (my preferred scale). Thanks, Ken -- npwe28a@prodigy.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 15:51:43 -0700 From: mgoodwin To: wwi Subject: Rene Dorme's #12 Nie.17 Message-ID: <3441547F.36F4@ricochet.net> Is there a color profile, or better yet, a decal sheet featuring this lovely Cigones Nieuport? Actually, all that's needed are the numerals, as the stork may be got from the Glencoe Spad sheet. Riordan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 16:05:22 -0700 From: mgoodwin To: wwi Subject: Re: DML D.VII (sans Udet) for trade Message-ID: <344157B2.6B98@ricochet.net> KENNETH L HAGERUP wrote: > > -- [ From: Kenneth Hagerup * EMC.Ver #2.5.3 ] -- > > I've got a DML 1/48 Fokker D.VII, kit 5908 to trade. I only bought it > for the Udet bust and would like to trade the kit for something in 1/72 > (my preferred scale). > > Thanks, > > Ken > -- > > npwe28a@prodigy.com Ken, What are you interested in? I have all the ESCI kits except the Spad, all the Airfix kits except the Fokker Tripe (I think), the Revell Fokker Dr.I, Classic Planes AEG G.III et al. Sorry, no Pegasus or other newer spendy kits. I'd be willing to go 2 for 1 on most of these. Inquisitively, Riordan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 16:45:38 -0700 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: Rene Dorme's #12 Nie.17 Message-ID: <23453853383211@KAIEN.COM> Riordan, I have done a 1/48 profile of this aircraft and will email it too you once it is scanned in (remind me if I don't do so within the next day or so). The IRAS book stuff should be done later today, so I will try to remember to add Esc.3 to those on the agenda for today. Regards, Bob Pearson ---------- > From: mgoodwin > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Rene Dorme's #12 Nie.17 > Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 19:02:28 -0400 > > Is there a color profile, or better yet, a decal sheet featuring this > lovely Cigones Nieuport? Actually, all that's needed are the numerals, > as the stork may be got from the Glencoe Spad sheet. > > Riordan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 09:56:24 +0000 From: B-A-L To: wwi Subject: Re: Internal ply panels Message-ID: <3441F048.96B@eis.net.au> Another " anal " contribution on this subject You can use real wood too - You don't need a great big sheet - decent quality pine and hard wood will cut a lovely long shaving with a good sharp bench Plane . These can be ironed flat with a steam iron . After ironing, put the shaving between two boards or books or whatever to hold it flat - Glue with CA to " face " the plastic part I also use 2mm - 4mm thick wood stringers to replace moulded cockpit and engine bay detail ( eg : Pflaz or Alb types ) These can be cut off an ordinary sheet of 3 ply ( choose the fine grained face [ or backing wood !! ] ) Do the long cut using a steel rule as a guide and then gently split off the " spar " from the middle piece of the 3 ply sandwich - If you can find some older ply you will discover the glue is not a tenacious as on a new piece !! REGRDS DAVID R.L. LAWS ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 20:22:36 -0400 From: Alberto Rada To: wwi Subject: Re: Rene Dorme's #12 Nie.17 Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971012202236.007392b0@pop.true.net> Hi Riordan Yes, American Gryphon has this plane in their Les Cigognes de Guynemer I'll email you separately a photo of this model SALUDOS ALBERTO At 07:02 PM 12-10-97 -0400, you wrote: >Is there a color profile, or better yet, a decal sheet featuring this >lovely Cigones Nieuport? Actually, all that's needed are the numerals, >as the stork may be got from the Glencoe Spad sheet. > >Riordan > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 03:39:02 GMT From: "Leonard Endy" To: wwi Subject: Re: Internal ply panels Message-ID: <34419724.579129@legend.firstsaga.com> On Sun, 12 Oct 1997 19:57:41 -0400, you wrote: >You can use real wood too -=20 If you know anyone who smokes those fancy cigars that come in a tube, the tubes are usually lined with wrapper made of wood. Very thin stuff. A couple of sheets would probably be enough to do the outer skining on a small model. Len Endy lfendy@firstsaga.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 17:48:47 -0700 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: Internal ply panels Message-ID: <00484727183325@KAIEN.COM> David, You really have to post some photos of your work for us to see. :-) Bob Pearson ---------- > From: B-A-L > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Internal ply panels > Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 19:57:49 -0400 > > Another " anal " contribution on this subject > > You can use real wood too - You don't need a great big sheet - decent > quality pine and hard wood will cut a lovely long shaving with a good > sharp bench Plane . These can be ironed flat with a steam iron . After > ironing, put the shaving between two boards or books or whatever to > hold it flat - Glue with CA to " face " the plastic part > > I also use 2mm - 4mm thick wood stringers to replace moulded cockpit > and engine bay detail ( eg : Pflaz or Alb types ) These can be cut > off an ordinary sheet of 3 ply ( choose the fine grained face [ or > backing wood !! ] ) Do the long cut using a steel rule as a guide and > then gently split off the " spar " from the middle piece of the 3 ply > sandwich - If you can find some older ply you will discover the glue > is not a tenacious as on a new piece !! > > REGRDS > > DAVID R.L. LAWS ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 09:51:59 +0900 From: Hirohisa Ozaki To: wwi Subject: Re: I'm back Message-ID: <199710130051.JAA00935@zoo.miln.mei.co.jp> Welcome back, Joey! Cheers! Hiro. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 20:57:00 -0400 From: John & Allison Cyganowski To: wwi Subject: Re: Internal ply panels Message-ID: <344171DC.15E9@worldnet.att.net> Leonard Endy wrote: > > On Sun, 12 Oct 1997 19:57:41 -0400, you wrote: > > >You can use real wood too -=20 > > If you know anyone who smokes those fancy cigars that come in a tube, > the tubes are usually lined with wrapper made of wood. Very thin > stuff. A couple of sheets would probably be enough to do the outer > skining on a small model. > > Len Endy > lfendy@firstsaga.com I believe that I saw this technique used on the floats of a Sopwith Baby at this years IPMS Nationals. I can attest to the impressive results. Of course, to SWMBO models and cigars would be a sinister combination! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 20:00:24 -0500 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Cc: wwi Subject: Re: IRAS Nie.11 schemes Message-ID: <19971012.202130.13478.1.mbittner@juno.com> On Sun, 12 Oct 1997 16:55:06 -0400 Bob Pearson writes: > Although there are no Ni.11s shown in the illustrations, there > is a Ni.10 plus a M-S N, M-S P, SPAD VII and SPAD S.2 all of > which are in CDL. A Ni.21 flown by Smirnov during August 1917 is > shown in two-tone camouflage and has an overwing Madsen in place > of the Lewis. This aircraf6t has a white/blue/red rudder. The > usual Ni.17 (Bob) is also shown. A quick glance shows a photo on > page 80 of a Dux built Ni.16 with fuselage rioundel, death's > head on rudder and overwing Madsen apparently in Dux grey > finish. Although I don't have the FMP book, are you guys sure that the one Morane Saulniers aren't Type I's, and not N's? The Temens kit comes with "decals" (quotes necessary) for the white-head on a black background. What about the Datafiles; any IRAS birds in there? Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 21:54:50 -0500 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: IRAS birds Message-ID: <19971012.215451.14606.2.mbittner@juno.com> Riordan, et al, I had a look at the Nieuport Datafile Special. The only pictures of Nie.11's were *not* of the "death head" squadron. Be aware that all photo's I have seen of Nieuport single-wings in IRAS service have been the Type I. There is a picture in the Datafile of a Dux-built Type N, but the caption said it was the only example. A small quibble: the FMP French book said that there were no Type I's in French service. However, in the Datafile is a close-up picture of a Type I in French markings, with more Type I's in the background. Has anybody else been seeing a lot of inconsistencies with the FMP book? (An interesting sidelight of these pictures in the Datafile. These two are the last in the book. In the side view is a pair of "ghosted-out" people. I wonder why?) Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 20:06:57 -0700 From: mgoodwin To: wwi Subject: Re: Rene Dorme's #12 Nie.17 Message-ID: <34419051.74D1@ricochet.net> Alberto Rada wrote: > > Hi Riordan > > Yes, American Gryphon has this plane in their Les Cigognes de Guynemer > I'll email you separately a photo of this model > > > > > Alberto, Nice 17s! Which model did you use for this? I have an issue of WINGS with pictures of Dorme in a camoflaged (black bordered white numerals/white stork) #12 Nie.17. Any info on this one? Cheers, Riordan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 23:08:53 -0600 From: "Scott M. Head" To: wwi Subject: Re: Internal ply panels Message-ID: <9710122309.aa24325@mail.iapc.net> About the cigar wood... >> If you know anyone who smokes those fancy cigars that come in a tube, >> the tubes are usually lined with wrapper made of wood. Very thin >> stuff. A couple of sheets would probably be enough to do the outer >> skining on a small model. >> Len Endy >I believe that I saw this technique used on the floats of a Sopwith Baby at >this years >IPMS Nationals. I can attest to the impressive results. Of course, to SWMBO >models and >cigars would be a sinister combination! Well, I admit to enjoying a stogie every once in a while. The wood that comes in the tubes or wrapped around some brands has always seemed too porous to me. I have some stashed away, but unfortunately in this stuff there is a noticeable grain. It's usually cedar, so it has a deep red-orange color, though some can be found lighter. For what its worth, try going to a cigar shop and browse around. Some cheap cigars (cheap is relative the cigar shop variety, not the nasty drug store ones) that have wood linings in the tube. It may be worth the few bucks to get a sheet of this stuff. Just open the tube and have a look first- some don't have wood liners. Some cigar shops might give you some of the wood sheet that comes in the boxes of some brands if they have any lying around. Cheers! Scott M. Head IPMS/Houston IPMS/USA 32841 smh@iapc.net IPMS/Houston Scale Model Forum: http://web-hou.iapc.net/~smh ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 15:25:54 +1000 (EST) From: Mick Fauchon To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Internal ply panels Message-ID: Hi, guys. > About the cigar wood... Am I the only ship modeller on this list? [Though emphatically not in the Scale of Kings 80) ] Try the ship-modelling department of your local hobby shop, they have all sorts of very thin veneers which work perfectly well, and can be cut to shape with scissors. I used them on the inside of my DrI, and for the floorboards. Cheers, Mick. -- -- Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM M M M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M M M M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M M M MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 17:31:35 +0000 From: B-A-L To: wwi Subject: Re: Internal ply panels Message-ID: <34425AF7.6BDC@eis.net.au> RE Cigar box liners Scott's ( SM HEAD ) is right ( AGAIN !! ) I fear - Cigar liners are generally quite an open grained timber - A bit of grain would be nice of course, but as a matter of personal taste I'd prefer to battle away for a few minutes with a sharp plane and a bit of off-cut ( A lot of cabinet shops/ furniture makers burn chunks of this stuff and are happy to let you have it for nothing !!! ) on something with a very fine grain to get the small bits you need - You'll also find that fine grained material is less likely to split when bending it !!! Splits really are a @#@! pest when you are working with the fast drying CA glues needed to join wood to plastic ( at least that's what I use ) DAVID ( R.L. LAWS ) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 17:32:59 +0000 From: B-A-L To: wwi Subject: Re: Internal ply panels Message-ID: <34425B4B.2680@eis.net.au> OFF TOPIC BUT MIKE Do you do Napoleonic period 74's Cutters and the like - David ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 05:31:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Suvoroff@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Internal ply panels Message-ID: <971013053122_503583642@emout18.mail.aol.com> Mr. Fauchon posed the interrogatory; "Am I the only ship modeller on this list?" To which I foolishly reply; "No". Though the shipmodels I do (1/1200 warships of the 1890's) generally fall outside of the normal techniques and materials associated with traditional shipmodelling. I am corresponding with the Musee de la Marine and while they replied to my missive in English (thank goodness!) there are forms they sent me in French which I cannot, alas, read. I know this is off topic, but is there some French speaking gentleman who could assist me with a little translation I would most appreciate it. I am trying to order some photographs and plans. Yours, James D. Gray nl. KIXI AM nr. German Air Power in World War I nb. Eduard Albatros D.V ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 05:42:46 CST6CDT From: "Jim Mordal" <2504mord@elkr149.mnext.umn.edu> To: wwi Subject: RE: JEAN NAVARRE Message-ID: <314A5521B65@elkr149.mnext.umn.edu> Hi all, In your vast libraries do any of you have any good books that mention the French Ace Jean Navarre. I have several already but would like whatever is out there and would rather not not have to play hit or miss. Any info at all would be greatly appreciated. TIA Jim Mordal ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 13:41:55 -0700 From: Graham Nash To: wwi Subject: Imries-Pictorial History of the German Army Air Service 1914-1918 Message-ID: <199710131235.AA06649@egate2.citicorp.com> This is in a 2nd hand bookshop for GBP7.50. D/J a bit tatty. Anyone like me to try and get it for them? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 08:04:29 +0000 From: "Paul Schwartzkopf" To: wwi Subject: Fokker D.VIII Message-ID: <199710131306.IAA06340@tscrypt1.transcrypt.com> I was looking at the DML kit of the Fokker D.VIII last night, contemplating about starting it. Due to my AMS, I absolutely CANNOT use the kit markings. Does anyone have a decent (or favorite) set of markings to use on this aircraft that they are willing to share? I found one photo in my books of Udet sitting in the cockpit of a D.VIII, but all I can tell from the photo is that the fuselage has lozenge fabric. Any information on this airframe? Thanks. Paul A. Schwartzkopf =================================================================== Development Engineer--Software Transcrypt International, Inc. Telephone: (402) 474-4800 E-Mail: pauls@transcrypt.com =================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 09:30:58 -0400 From: Don RInker To: wwi Subject: Re: Fokker D.VIII Message-ID: <34422292.53C2@fast.net> Paul Schwartzkopf wrote: > I found one photo in my books of Udet sitting in the cockpit of a > D.VIII, but all I can tell from the photo is that the fuselage has > lozenge fabric. Any information on this airframe? Thanks. > That phot was of an experimental D-VIII that Udet was testing. If its the same photo I'm thinking of, there are no guns installed. The big deal with this ship was that it used the subwing bewtween the wheels as a fuel tank. Scanning fuzzy memory ( no massive library to hand), I think Udet used this plane for a short period after the war as a barnstorming airshow plane. I'm thinking that it was in standard lozenge but had a blue cowling !?? Will check later.... You might want to consider some of the D-VIII with 1919 Polish markings... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 15:30:39 +0100 (BST) From: Sandy Adam To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Fokker D.VIII Message-ID: On Mon, 13 Oct 1997, Paul Schwartzkopf wrote: > Does anyone have a decent (or favorite) set of > markings to use on this aircraft that they are willing to share? When I get round to building mine, I will be most tempted by the Eduard 1/72 "Sea Eagle" D.VIII scheme - black and yellow diamonds on the fuselage! I know Carlos has this kit, but none of us seemed to have any provenance for this colour scheme - if I can find any justification, I think this would have to be the scheme for me. Probably investigate Superscale diamond transfers for suitability. FWIW Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 15:51:26 +0100 (BST) From: Sandy Adam To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: JEAN NAVARRE Message-ID: On Mon, 13 Oct 1997, Jim Mordal wrote: > Hi all, > In your vast libraries do any of you have any good books that mention > the French Ace Jean Navarre. I have several already but would like > whatever is out there and would rather not not have to play hit or > miss. Any info at all would be greatly appreciated. Hi Jim - I remember we touched on the mad Navarre a year or so back - I remember causing mirth by recounting the tale of him supposedly driving around Paris, knocking down gendarmes and proclaiming himself the Eagle of Verdun (or someplace?). Of course I can't now find the reference where I first read this - can you help? Best ref I know at the moment is Christopher Campell's Aces & Aircraft of WW1 with a phot of the man and a colour side profile of the red bebe N872. Mentioned/drawn in Phelan's Aircraft & Fliers of 1st WW also. HTH Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 10:02:53 -0500 From: phoward@abilene.com (Paul Howard) To: Subject: Re: Fokker D.VIII Message-ID: <01bcd7e9$14a46080$2e868ece@default> OK, I'll bite. What is AMS and why would it prevent your using the kit markings. I can certainly understand wanting to have markings that are not used on every other model you see. The markings for the aircraft represented in the kit are not too bad, but the decals in the provide for that purpose just plain suck. (incorrect) Bye the way, before I got into the project too far, I'd compare the plans you intend to compare the kit against to photos of the aircraft. The Windsock plans are highly suspect in my opinion, and they are the ones that were used to master the DML kit.... IMHO the Eduard kit is a lot tougher to build, but the shape is closer to the real thing. Just my $.02 Paul H. -----Original Message----- From: Paul Schwartzkopf To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Monday, October 13, 1997 8:02 AM Subject: Fokker D.VIII >I was looking at the DML kit of the Fokker D.VIII last night, >contemplating about starting it. Due to my AMS, I absolutely CANNOT >use the kit markings. Does anyone have a decent (or favorite) set of >markings to use on this aircraft that they are willing to share? > >I found one photo in my books of Udet sitting in the cockpit of a >D.VIII, but all I can tell from the photo is that the fuselage has >lozenge fabric. Any information on this airframe? Thanks. > >Paul A. Schwartzkopf >=================================================================== >Development Engineer--Software >Transcrypt International, Inc. >Telephone: (402) 474-4800 >E-Mail: pauls@transcrypt.com >=================================================================== ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 707 *********************