WWI Digest 699 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: new guy - Pfalz D.XII by mbittner@juno.com 2) Re: new guy - Pfalz D.XII by phoward@abilene.com (Paul Howard) 3) Re: new guy - Pfalz D.XII by Bob Pearson 4) Re: new guy - Pfalz D.XII by phoward@abilene.com (Paul Howard) 5) Re: new guy - Pfalz D.XII by phoward@abilene.com (Paul Howard) 6) Re: new guy - Pfalz D.XII by KarrArt@aol.com 7) Re: Robert's Tolkien & Airpower by KarrArt@aol.com 8) Re: new guy - Gotha Nacelles by mgoodwin 9) Bristol Fighter marathon - some questions and comments by Shane Weier 10) Re: new guy - Gotha Nacelles by B-A-L 11) journey to the forbidden list by KarrArt@aol.com 12) Re: Tom's 1/48 scale Pfalz D.XII by TPTPUMPER@aol.com 13) Re: Doctored photo? was:new guy by lothar@televar.com (mark) 14) Re: new guy - Pfalz D.XII by mbittner@juno.com 15) Re: journey to the forbidden list by mbittner@juno.com 16) Re: Contest by "Paul Schwartzkopf" 17) Re: The Archive & Access Verboten by aew (Allan Wright) 18) away for a few days by Joey Valenciano 19) A-H aces and their mounts (questions) by Joey Valenciano 20) Re: Contest by Joey Valenciano 21) Free Red Baron game by Robert Godfrey 22) Re: Free Red Baron game by Don RInker 23) Re: A-H aces and their mounts (questions) by Charles Hart 24) Re: new guy - Pfalz D.XII by Patrick Padovan 25) Re: Bristol Fighter marathon - some questions and comments by Geoff Smith 26) Re: A-H aces and their mounts (questions) by TPTPUMPER@aol.com 27) Re: The Archive & Access Verboten by KarrArt@aol.com 28) Re: Doctored photo? was:new guy by KarrArt@aol.com 29) Re: Doctored photo? was:new guy by KarrArt@aol.com 30) Re: Doctored photo? was:new guy by lothar@televar.com (mark) 31) FMP Replaces Joey Valenciano's French FMP book by "Robert J. Mills, Jr." ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 20:29:39 -0500 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: new guy - Pfalz D.XII Message-ID: <19971005.204426.4550.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Sun, 5 Oct 1997 20:39:12 -0400 phoward@abilene.com (Paul Howard) writes: > Up until now, I've found a common ground with you on most > subjects. I now must make a stand on what I believe; The > hideousness of a Pfalz D.XII multi-color paint scheme should > never be compared to the particularly fetching schemes of late > war BF 10thingies. I cannot, and will not, stand by and see it > happen, while I still have the energy to email! Hey, Al! Anyway you can unsubscribe this guy? He actually *likes* the Bf-10thingie. As a certain Sicilian I know said: "Inconceivable!!" ;-) Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 21:16:51 -0500 From: phoward@abilene.com (Paul Howard) To: Subject: Re: new guy - Pfalz D.XII Message-ID: <01bcd1fd$e86fbfa0$29868ece@default> WHAT ? Are you mad? I'll be doing it in the standard and prerequisite multi-color scheme! Look, just because I said that it's ugly, doesn't mean I don't think it's really cool. As a matter of fact, any model I build must have that certain something to draw my attention. I refer to this as its "hokey factor." God forbid, I should pass up the opportunity to assail other folk's eyes with something as gaudy as the "Canberra" scheme on the D.XII... Of course, as a public service to anyone who might view the aforementioned work, I regret to inform you that you would likely be rendered "Mostly dead" by the sight. :-) Paul H. -----Original Message----- From: Shane Weier To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Sunday, October 05, 1997 8:45 PM Subject: RE: new guy - Pfalz D.XII >Paul > >>>Oooooooo. What you said! >> >>>By thte way, what does codswallop mean? > >Hell, I don't know. I heard a Pommy say it once and it sounded really >rude in that mothfull of marbles voice. Of course, everything he said >was rubbish, not just codswallop ;-) > >Shane > >(I suppose you'll be painting the Toms D.XII in a late war mottle then?) > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 18:55:20 -0700 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: new guy - Pfalz D.XII Message-ID: <01552027366764@KAIEN.COM> OF course the RE8 was beautiful - to another RE8. How else would they have multiplied? Bob Pearson ---------- > From: phoward@abilene.com (Paul Howard) > Why, next you'll be telling people the RE 8 was ugly... Inconceivable! ;-} > > Paul Howard > Avid W.W.I modeler > Rabid on the subject of 10Thingies ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 21:38:05 -0500 From: phoward@abilene.com (Paul Howard) To: Subject: Re: new guy - Pfalz D.XII Message-ID: <01bcd200$e006b460$29868ece@default> Matt, The course of action you suggest, would surely send me into the Pit of Despair. Why, I'd sooner take iocane power, or make a trip through the Fire Swamp. If you suggest such a harsh punishment again, I'll be forced to call out "The Spanish Inquisition." ;-) Or, I could just say "the word."(10.......) Cheers, Paul H -----Original Message----- From: mbittner@juno.com To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Sunday, October 05, 1997 8:50 PM Subject: Re: new guy - Pfalz D.XII >On Sun, 5 Oct 1997 20:39:12 -0400 phoward@abilene.com (Paul >Howard) writes: > >> Up until now, I've found a common ground with you on most >> subjects. I now must make a stand on what I believe; The >> hideousness of a Pfalz D.XII multi-color paint scheme should >> never be compared to the particularly fetching schemes of late >> war BF 10thingies. I cannot, and will not, stand by and see it >> happen, while I still have the energy to email! > >Hey, Al! Anyway you can unsubscribe this guy? He actually >*likes* the Bf-10thingie. As a certain Sicilian I know said: >"Inconceivable!!" ;-) > > > > >Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 21:41:24 -0500 From: phoward@abilene.com (Paul Howard) To: Subject: Re: new guy - Pfalz D.XII Message-ID: <01bcd201$565766a0$29868ece@default> Let's see... If two RE 8s mated, what would result? A BE 2e? PH -----Original Message----- From: Bob Pearson To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Sunday, October 05, 1997 9:27 PM Subject: Re: new guy - Pfalz D.XII > >OF course the RE8 was beautiful - to another RE8. How else would they have >multiplied? > >Bob Pearson > >---------- >> From: phoward@abilene.com (Paul Howard) > >> Why, next you'll be telling people the RE 8 was ugly... Inconceivable! >;-} >> >> Paul Howard >> Avid W.W.I modeler >> Rabid on the subject of 10Thingies ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 22:46:40 -0400 (EDT) From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: new guy - Pfalz D.XII Message-ID: <971005224156_1857465769@emout03.mail.aol.com> not the .......COMFY CHAIR!!!!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 22:49:24 -0400 (EDT) From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Robert's Tolkien & Airpower Message-ID: <971005224647_24082476@emout15.mail.aol.com> Although there was a little bit of "good guy"eagle-riding airpower, perhaps the general lack of said airpower DID express what Tommy in the trenches thought about the RFC/RAF Robert ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Oct 1997 20:13:44 -0700 From: mgoodwin To: wwi Subject: Re: new guy - Gotha Nacelles Message-ID: <34385768.3748@ricochet.net> David, Thanks for the reply/answers to question. Quite an undertaking, requiring skills and patience that I may not yet posess. I'm still practicing by working the kinks out of the old Aurora molds. I think my first completely scratch effort will be a Halbersadt D-type in 1/48. Cheers, Riordan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 13:12:13 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: Bristol Fighter marathon - some questions and comments Message-ID: Hi all When I re-upped after my painfull absence, James was kind enough to comment, and ask: >>Welcome back. I have been reading over the old digests from the earliest >>recorded, and it seems that you have been working on that Biff from >>primordial times. Ever going to finish? It feels like I started it in primordial times too. My very first email to the list was a request for f.2b references, made in early April 95. Last weekend I spent several hours making a jig to ease adding the tail surfaces to the fuselage, something which will happen tonight with luck. Over the past several weeks I have laboured to make a Falcon engine which will withstand some scrutiny, even though my references and all the lists assistance have failed to clearly show the arrangement on top and between the cylinder banks. The last task before I begin the finiscky assemble and align phase was to add cable glands, rubbing pads and reinforcements to the "fabric" areas with punched or cut out ovals, disks and strips of decal sheet made a little thicker with a coat of paint. My original intention had been to do this with 5 thou card, then sand to a finer profile, but I found the method too clumsy - or my skills too poor. I'm embarrased to say, that after building quite a few RFC/RAF biplanes, I am not sure whether the scarff ring *ring* should be painted, bare metal, painted in part and bare in part (and what parts), and whether it's liable to be grey, or PC10, or black (jappanned) or whatever. My *inclination* is to grey. This is how many of the clearer photos look, and also how Rimmell portrays them in his artwork in the Biff special. But the photos of the RAF museum machine show (from inside) part of the ring in black. FWIW I intend building the machine as a 1AFC machine in Palestine but NOT a white one !! Any ideas, oh Oracle ? Shane ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 15:31:36 +0000 From: B-A-L To: wwi Subject: Re: new guy - Gotha Nacelles Message-ID: <34390458.4273@eis.net.au> Aw c'mon Riordan, just give it a go - Promise it not that hard - just a steady hand and some careful cutting out REGARDS DAVID ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 02:14:37 -0400 (EDT) From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi Subject: journey to the forbidden list Message-ID: <971006021437_-1898775825@emout07.mail.aol.com> As I snap up the seat in my jammies and wobble of to nite-nite land, confident in the knowledge that 1/48 is the most difficult and rewarding scale to master- in bigger scales, detailing is a little easier and also you can't fudge, lie and cheat like you can in 1/72, I'm still left to ponder the forbidden access to the mailing list archive for any entry after Sept24 #685. Any info? Robert ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 02:31:42 -0400 (EDT) From: TPTPUMPER@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Tom's 1/48 scale Pfalz D.XII Message-ID: <971006023141_1147796601@emout08.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 97-10-05 21:21:22 EDT, Paul wrote: > Has anyone seen the Tom's Pfalz D. XII kit yet, and are they really worth > having? Hi Paul! I have the Tom's D.XII--looks good so far. Having recently acquired the Datafile, I'll compare the kit with the drawings and get back to you Monday. Have Fun!! IRA Campbell ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 00:32:20 -0700 (PDT) From: lothar@televar.com (mark) To: wwi Subject: Re: Doctored photo? was:new guy Message-ID: <199710060732.AAA21707@concord.televar.com> Robert advises - >C&C U.S.A.journal vol.11 #3 autumn 1970 page 236 has what appears to be the >same photo you mention- but German markings are clearly distinguishable on >the Pfalz Now here's something interesting...I dug out that old C&C Journal and you are absolutely correct, the Pfalz in question clearly has German markings. On the other hand, this *same photo* is published in the Osprey Men At Arms book 'The Ottoman Army, 1914-18', page 36, and suddenly, lo and behold, the German crosses have become Ottoman black squares!! So I'm guessing....somebody somewhere done tampered with that particular photo. The C&C Journal article states that their photo (the one showing German markings) was taken from Turk Havacilik Tarihi, the official air force history first published around 1923 by the Turkish Defense Ministry. The Osprey book credits their photo (the one showing Ottoman markings) as having come from the Havacilik Muzesi (i.e., Air Force Museum) in Istanbul. So which photo is true, and which one has been altered? Since it's obviously easier to fill in a black cross and turn it into a black square than vice versa, I'd go with the C&C Journal photo as being the accurate one, and assume that what this means is that the changeover from German to Ottoman markings within Ottoman units was not always uniform or done right away after delivery of the aircaft. The only Central Powers AC in the mid-east that normally bore German crosses were those of the German Pasha units in Palestine, and Orhan was not assigned to them. The question of **why** someone chose to doctor this photo is anyone's guess. The moral of the story: Photographic evidence may not always be what it seems. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 04:59:27 -0500 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: new guy - Pfalz D.XII Message-ID: <19971006.050110.14606.1.mbittner@juno.com> On Sun, 5 Oct 1997 22:42:32 -0400 phoward@abilene.com (Paul Howard) writes: > The course of action you suggest, would surely send me into the > Pit of Despair. Why, I'd sooner take iocane power, or make a > trip through the Fire Swamp. A-ha! Someone who caught my reference! Too cool. I guess you can stay subscribed after all. :-) > If you suggest such a harsh punishment again, I'll be forced to > call out "The Spanish Inquisition." ;-) No, not that! > Or, I could just say "the word."(10.......) No, not "the word". Woe is the time when anyone can go around saying "the word". Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 05:01:03 -0500 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: journey to the forbidden list Message-ID: <19971006.050110.14606.2.mbittner@juno.com> On Mon, 6 Oct 1997 02:18:51 -0400 KarrArt@aol.com writes: > As I snap up the seat in my jammies and wobble of to nite-nite > land, confident in the knowledge that 1/48 is the most difficult > and rewarding scale to master- in bigger scales, detailing is a > little easier and also you can't fudge, lie and cheat like you > can in 1/72, I'm still left to ponder the forbidden access to > the mailing list archive for any entry after Sept24 #685. Well, since you're a Braille Scaler, you wouldn't know. That info is only give out (with the secret handshake) to those 1/72nd builders. (<- Maniacal laugh) Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 08:11:11 +0000 From: "Paul Schwartzkopf" To: wwi Subject: Re: Contest Message-ID: <199710061313.IAA29136@tscrypt1.transcrypt.com> Thanks for the compliments, Matt. I had an enjoyable time, especially when I told you I purchased a Revell Nieuport from under your ever-vigilent eyes from one of the vendors! :-) I also picked up a Sierra 1/48 H-B W29. The last time I did a vac kit, an injection kit of it appeared as I had it almost completed. Maybe I'm getting stuck on a Hansa-Brandenburg roll here (?). I intend on writing up an article on the Star Strutter for our club newsletter, and include some pictures. One of the guys I work with has a digital camera, and we are going to experiment with it. I would be happy to send Al some pics, if he would be willing to post them. Paul A. Schwartzkopf =================================================================== Development Engineer--Software Transcrypt International, Inc. Telephone: (402) 474-4800 E-Mail: pauls@transcrypt.com =================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 09:13:50 -0400 (EDT) From: aew (Allan Wright) To: wwi Subject: Re: The Archive & Access Verboten Message-ID: <199710061313.JAA09653@pease1.sr.unh.edu> > >Robert: [ the new guy] posts > >How the heck does one access the mailing list Archives for any date after > >September 24 #685? That "access forbidden"scares me. > I too am wondering about this- maybe that Virtual Reality spamming came to > fruition in those forbidden archives- > Cheers- > Gerry The automated script I use to 'fix' the protection on these files broke when I updated my system. I'm still trying to fix it, but for now I have to change the protection of the archives by hand, which I forget to do unless someone mentions it. I've fixed them up to today. -Al =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | You fell victim to one of the 'classic' blunders! University of New Hampshire+--------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 00:46:56 +0800 From: Joey Valenciano To: wwi Subject: away for a few days Message-ID: <199710061646.AAA30150@fiesta.philonline.com.ph> Hi all, I will be off for a few days for some surgery. There are a few lumps in my thyroid that have to be removed. Let's hope I get back nice and healthy. I'M NOT UNSUBCRIBING! I'd hate to miss a single day of the goings on here on the list (I know how Shane must have felt!), I think the alloted space my server allows can handle all your mail. Let me leave you with a few questions to munch on while I'm away. I hope some of you will find them interesting. Questions will be in my next posting...... ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 00:47:31 +0800 From: Joey Valenciano To: wwi Subject: A-H aces and their mounts (questions) Message-ID: <199710061647.AAA30187@fiesta.philonline.com.ph> As promised, here are a few questions some of you could toss about. I've been poring over FMP's AH Aircraft and Aces books and started to wonder..... Godwin Brumowski: 1) The "AC" book states that Alb.DIII (Oef) fighters of the 153 & 253 series were covered with the printed sworl camouflage (p.470). Yet there is a picture in the "Aces" book of Brumowski and his star strutter, 28.69, with sworl camo (p.15). The "AC" book is wrong then? Which other aircraft types used this camo fabric? 2) The "AC" book has a coloured profile and plan view of Alb.D.III (Oef) 253.64 with the printed sworl camo(p.502) What I find starange is that EVEN THE WOODEN FUSELAGE has the sworls?! Is this accurate? Was the fabric doped on? Was the design painted on ala Hannover Cl.III? 3) Any idea of the colour schemes of the ff. Brumowski planes? Hansa-Brand. B.I Hansa-Brand. C.I Aviatik B.II Albatros d.II Aviatik D.I Frank Linke-Crawford 1) Any idea of the colour schemes of the ff. L-C mounts? Aviatik C.I Phonix D.I ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 00:51:03 +0800 From: Joey Valenciano To: wwi Subject: Re: Contest Message-ID: <199710061651.AAA30329@fiesta.philonline.com.ph> At 09:10 AM 10/6/97 -0400, you wrote: >I intend on writing up an article on the Star Strutter for our club >newsletter, and include some pictures. One of the guys I work with has a >digital camera, and we are going to experiment with it. I would be >happy to send Al some pics, if he would be willing to post them. Please do! ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 11:54:37 -0500 From: Robert Godfrey To: wwi Subject: Free Red Baron game Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971006115437.006a09f8@pop.sound.net> Hello group, I saw onn the list where Sierra is giving away the old Red Baron sim now that RBII is ready to ship (US$55). I got a copy of the free program and it's unbelievable how poor and low resolution the graphics are; however, the A/C fly well and most other things seem to work. It doesn't have mission builder. They have Immleman flying a y-e-l-l-o-w eindecker on my copy. I'm really rather pleased to see how many of you know and (I assume) play it on occasion. I just hope RBII is half as good now as RBI was compared to other available sims when it came out. Best regards, Bob G. ___________________ RG-KC-US rgodfrey@sound.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 13:04:01 -0400 From: Don RInker To: wwi Subject: Re: Free Red Baron game Message-ID: <34391A01.5A24@fast.net> Robert Godfrey wrote: > > Hello group, > > I saw onn the list where Sierra is giving away the old Red Baron sim now > that RBII is ready to ship (US$55). Well, not quite... Last I heard was sometime in early to mid November. I got a copy of the free program and > it's unbelievable how poor and low resolution the graphics are; The Free version they are giving away is the 16 COLOR version... The real retail version was 256 colors, which while blocky compared to todays sims, still looks pretty decent. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 11:14:38 -0700 From: Charles Hart To: wwi Subject: Re: A-H aces and their mounts (questions) Message-ID: Joey inquires: >As promised, here are a few questions some of you could toss about. >I've been poring over FMP's AH Aircraft and Aces books and started to >wonder..... > >Godwin Brumowski: > >1) The "AC" book states that Alb.DIII (Oef) fighters of the 153 & 253 series >were covered with the printed sworl camouflage (p.470). Yet there is a >picture in the "Aces" book of Brumowski and his star strutter, 28.69, with >sworl camo (p.15). The "AC" book is wrong then? Which other aircraft types >used this camo fabric? > The number of OEF D-III a/c actually covered with the "sworl" fabric appears from photographic evidence to be rather small. From all indications, this fabric was hand printed with screen printing process, what else do you expect from an air arm that camouflaged its fighters with hand painted hexagons? Perhaps no more that a few dozen a/c were finished with the printed fabric. However, the Brandenburg 28.69 with swirl type camouiflage is, I believe, a hand painted finish applied in the field. The swirls on the Brandenburg are much smaller than those seen in the fabric. The Brandenburg was in service earlier than machines with the printed fabric. The printed fabric appears to have been used only during 1918, since some machines with this material ended up in Poland in 1919. >2) The "AC" book has a coloured profile and plan view of Alb.D.III (Oef) >253.64 with the printed sworl camo(p.502) What I find starange is that EVEN >THE WOODEN FUSELAGE has the sworls?! Is this accurate? Was the fabric doped >on? Was the design painted on ala Hannover Cl.III? > I find the finish on D-III 253.64 odd also. I can't imagine that the fuselage was painted with this pattern, but the one photo of this machine doesn't clearly show the fuselage and it is hard to see interruptions in the pattern showing how it might have been applied over the wood. The finish on 253.64 may be a one off since there are no other photos, at least as I am aware, showing fuselage application of this fabric. But then again, I have only been able to find photo evidence of about 6 different D-IIIs finished with this fabric. There is no doubt that this was a printed fabric since there is a clear photo in a C&CI from a few years back showing printed fabric draped on a wall behind the uncovered frame of an OEF D-III upper wing. I will say that the photo evidence is clear that there are 4 shades of grey in this pattern which I interpret as being four different, if unknown, colors. I find it unfortunate that color illustrations and subsequently decals of this pattern show only three colors, this simply isn't accurate at all. My US$0.02 worth. Get well soon Joey. Charles harct@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 10:43:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Patrick Padovan To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: new guy - Pfalz D.XII Message-ID: Well, I always assumed that when RE8s multiplied, they closed their eyes and thought about Brisfits! Regards, Patrick ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Patrick Padovan Interlibrary Loan Associate Timberland Regional Library Voice: 360-943-5001 415 Airdustrial Way SW FAX: 360-586-6838 Olympia, WA 98501-5799 e-mail: ppadovan@timberland.lib.wa.us ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Sun, 5 Oct 1997, Bob Pearson wrote: > > OF course the RE8 was beautiful - to another RE8. How else would they have > multiplied? > > Bob Pearson > > ---------- > > From: phoward@abilene.com (Paul Howard) > > > Why, next you'll be telling people the RE 8 was ugly... Inconceivable! > ;-} > > > > Paul Howard > > Avid W.W.I modeler > > Rabid on the subject of 10Thingies > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 14:35:03 -0400 From: Geoff Smith To: "INTERNET:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Bristol Fighter marathon - some questions and comments Message-ID: <199710061435_MC2-22FB-FCA3@compuserve.com> Paul wrote: >By thte way, what does codswallop mean? It's what some (but only some) Aussies talk. :-) Shane wrote : (Snip) >I'm embarrased to say, that after building quite a few RFC/RAF biplanes,= >I am not sure whether the scarff ring *ring* should be painted, bare >metal, painted in part and bare in part (and what parts), and whether >it's liable to be grey, or PC10, or black (jappanned) or whatever. >My *inclination* is to grey. This is how many of the clearer photos >look, and also how Rimmell portrays them in his artwork in the Biff >special. But the photos of the RAF museum machine show (from inside) >part of the ring in black. PLEASE READ WITH A LANCASHIRE ACCENT. WE DON'T ALL LIVE IN THE HOME COUNTIES AND GO FOX HUNTING. SOME OF US POMS ARE NORMAL. (well, compared with some (but only some) Aussies) :-) I've just looked through what meagre refs I possess and I would guess at grey for the hoop and quadrants though the barbette ring looks to be stee= l. Woodman doesn't indicate colours in his book. Think Sandy might know when= he returns. Best regards, Geoff. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 15:30:31 -0400 (EDT) From: TPTPUMPER@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: A-H aces and their mounts (questions) Message-ID: <971006152614_979563881@emout08.mail.aol.com> Hi Joey! First, I hope all goes well with your surgery. (I'd hate to type this for nothing! ;^) ) Regarding your first question, some Alb. D.III(Oef) series 153 and 253 fighters were covered with the printed sworl fabric, as depicted on page 502 of the AC book. A photo of that Albatros with wing damage apears in both books, I believe, taken from the rear. And the photo you refer to of Brumowski's Star Strutter depicts a hand-painted sworl pattern of mustard color over dark green (or black). You will also find Alb. D.III(Oef) fighters painted in this manner, if you look through the books, but this is not the preprinted fabric. I don't have the books in front of me, so I'll consult them and get back to you about questions 2 and 3. Again, best wishes! Have Fun!! IRA Campbell ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 15:38:42 -0400 (EDT) From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: The Archive & Access Verboten Message-ID: <971006153618_150404685@emout17.mail.aol.com> Thanks. As a new-comer, I'm still not completely sure how this all works.I was starting to worry that there might be a secret handshake or something involved in viewing the recent archives! Robert ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 15:49:53 -0400 (EDT) From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Doctored photo? was:new guy Message-ID: <971006154809_-1362985775@emout10.mail.aol.com> Some WWI era photo retouching was pretty crude, some not so bad. To me, the C&C photo in question looks pretty good. I'm not sure if I would bet the house on it, considering the quality of the C&C reproduction, but the G does seem to line up ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 15:51:33 -0400 (EDT) From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Doctored photo? was:new guy Message-ID: <971006155015_-1496737582@emout01.mail.aol.com> oops!, as I was saying, the German Cross looks good to me given the not-so-hot C&C reproduction Robert ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 13:01:32 -0700 (PDT) From: lothar@televar.com (mark) To: wwi Subject: Re: Doctored photo? was:new guy Message-ID: <199710062001.NAA20165@concord.televar.com> >oops!, as I was saying, the German Cross looks good to me given the >not-so-hot C&C reproduction >Robert That's what I thought! MR ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 16:10:49 -0500 From: "Robert J. Mills, Jr." To: wwi Subject: FMP Replaces Joey Valenciano's French FMP book Message-ID: Hi all - Just wanted the list to know what an outstanding organization Flying Machines Press is: Since we sold Joey Valenciano the French Aircraft of the First World War book we told him we would contact FMP to see what could be done. I faxed Alan Durkota a copy of Joey Valenciano's e-mail to me (similar to what was posted to the list), and, a few minutes later, Alan called to advise that a replacement copy will be sent to Joey tomorrow--no questions, no prompting, but concern that someone had gotten a defective FMP product. - I've dealt with Alan and Donna Durkota at FMP for several years now and this very positive action is only the latest in a series of very satisfying business dealings. FMP is truly a class act--they deserve the support of aviation historians, buffs, and model builders with even the slightest inkling of an interest in World War One (and soon WW2...but that's another list....) Best to all Bob Mills The Aeronautica Shoppe E-mail: The_Aeronautica_Shoppe@iname.com bobmills@iname.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- At 19:27 -0400 10-04-97, Suvoroff@aol.com wrote: >I have those pages included in my book. For as much as this book costs, I >would return it and demand a replacement. > >Yours, >James D. Gray ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 699 *********************