WWI Digest 698 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: new guy - Pfalz D.XII by Shane Weier 2) Re: Roll Models Order by Shane Weier 3) Re: The Archive & Access Verboten by "Gerald P. McOsker" 4) Re: taking over the world by "Gerald P. McOsker" 5) Fokker fuse fairings by Geoff Smith 6) Re: tea and vengeance by Geoff Smith 7) Re: tea and vengeance by TPTPUMPER@aol.com 8) Re: new guy - Pfalz D.XII by KarrArt@aol.com 9) Re: new guy - Pfalz D.XII by KarrArt@aol.com 10) Re: Fokker colors by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 11) Re: taking over the world by KarrArt@aol.com 12) Re: Fokker fuse fairings by Charles Hart 13) Re: Guillow SE5a by DavidL1217@aol.com 14) Re: Roll Models Order by DavidL1217@aol.com 15) Re: Fokker fuse fairings by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 16) Re: taking over the world by mbittner@juno.com 17) Re: tea and vengeance by Geoff Smith 18) Re: tea and vengeance by TPTPUMPER@aol.com 19) Re: Roll Models Order by Alberto Rada 20) Re: taking over the world by Alberto Rada 21) Re: new guy - Gotha Nacelles by B-A-L 22) Re: taking over the world by phoward@abilene.com (Paul Howard) 23) Re: new guy - Pfalz D.XII by phoward@abilene.com (Paul Howard) 24) Eduard Kits by phoward@abilene.com (Paul Howard) 25) Re: Robert's Tolkien & Airpower by kevinkim@interlog.com (barrett) 26) RE: new guy - Pfalz D.XII by Shane Weier 27) Tom's 1/48 scale Pfalz D.XII by phoward@abilene.com (Paul Howard) 28) Re: new guy - Pfalz D.XII by phoward@abilene.com (Paul Howard) 29) RE: new guy - Pfalz D.XII by Shane Weier ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 05 Oct 1997 20:15:40 +1100 From: Shane Weier To: wwi Subject: Re: new guy - Pfalz D.XII Message-ID: <34375ABC.1EEA@qld.mim.com.au> KarrArt@aol.com wrote: > > I've noticed.....I've been a member of the list less than 24 hours and I've > suddenly become predatorially cynical, so in keeping with that theme- anybody > want to tackle the idea that Pfalz cockpits, including the D III were painted > gray rather than being left some raggedy wood and tainted dope-besotten > fabric tape color? Robert, I had the pleasure of closely examining the Canberra Pfalx D.XII a couple of months ago and expending a couple of rolls of film on it. Unfortunately, the exposed film still resides in my refrigerator while I pay ransom to half the medical establishment in Brisbane. However, I very clearly recall the area behind the seat and the screen behind the seat being grey with a slight metallic sheen - presumably silbergrau. I took the opportunity to question the curator about what had, and what had nor been repainted atthe last restoration and was told that the interior was still "as was" AND while it's not absolutely, cast iron, certain that the plane wasn't repainted internally at some earlier time they believe the finish is authentic. Incidentally, Although the exterior was repainted by the AWM conservators, the match to the original finish is said to be excellent - whatever we take that to mean. Regards Shane (and it isn't that ugly a scheme, just rather reminiscent of a late war Bf-10thingy) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Oct 1997 20:34:40 +1100 From: Shane Weier To: wwi Subject: Re: Roll Models Order Message-ID: <34375F30.DCE@qld.mim.com.au> mbittner@juno.com wrote: > > On Fri, 3 Oct 1997 22:30:25 -0400 Brian Nicklas > > Package in good shape, some stuff I > > couldn't find through my usual pushers, er, dealers, um, > > vendors. > > Does every feel that way, "pushers", etc.? Is it just me and > Brian? Or am I reading too much into that. > I've called Simon at H&MC in Brisbane a "poly pusher" for years. He knows how to hook you, and he knows how to keep you hooked ! Shane ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 12:05:00 -0500 From: "Gerald P. McOsker" To: wwi Subject: Re: The Archive & Access Verboten Message-ID: >Robert: [ the new guy] posts >How the heck does one access the mailing list Archives for any date after >September 24 #685? That "access forbidden"scares me. I too am wondering about this- maybe that Virtual Reality spamming came to fruition in those forbidden archives- Cheers- Gerry With 600 kits unbuilt- and no room to move in my model bunker- what do you do? Buy a new house of course- and I thought things calmed down after 50. Wieder ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 12:09:29 -0500 From: "Gerald P. McOsker" To: wwi Subject: Re: taking over the world Message-ID: >Matt Bittner proclaims- 1/72nd >for god-like beings". Not quite- 1:72 [actually my favorite] is for "Hobbits! Gerry ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 12:33:23 -0400 From: Geoff Smith To: WWI List Subject: Fokker fuse fairings Message-ID: <199710051233_MC2-22DC-A1D5@compuserve.com> Hi All, First off, a hearty welcome to both new members. Now a question. Anyone know or care to guess whether the fuselage fairing panels on the Dr.I, E.= V & D.VIII were natural wood or painted and if painted, what colour? I suppose grey would be the obvious answer but I'd rather not go further without your considered opinions. Regards Geoff ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 12:33:26 -0400 From: Geoff Smith To: "INTERNET:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: tea and vengeance Message-ID: <199710051233_MC2-22DC-A1D6@compuserve.com> IRA wrote: >Hi Robert! > I would not doubt your abilities to do the small ones. As we know, t= he >larger the model the more the opportunities to model smaller details. I= >model in anything from 1/72 to 1/24 and would like to do a WWI type in 1= /1 >some day. As long as we're having fun and not hurting anyone, . . . >Have Fun!! >IRA FWIW, in this month's "Flypast" are adverts for : 1/ "WWI SE5A propellor 8ft long, superb condition, 650GBP ono." = 2/ "German Cross with lozenge camouflage from Fokker D7 bi-plane 1918. Canvas measures 36" x 47". Mint condition. Extremely rare. Serious offers= only." Also, though I can't find it just at the moment, I've also seen an advert= for a "Bristol Scout replica" = Just the things for you 1/1 enthusiasts. Not much work involved in the la= st one but the other two items are a good opportunity for a small scratchbui= ld project. :-) Cheers, Geoff. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 14:16:02 -0400 (EDT) From: TPTPUMPER@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: tea and vengeance Message-ID: <971005141556_455308730@emout11.mail.aol.com> Hi Geoff! Interesting stuff in FLYPAST. I think the Bristol Scout is the one I saw in the latest WWI AERO--one of two in the world (both reproductions). You haven't seen any construction drawings for a Berg D.I in there, have you? Never hurts to ask, I suppose. :^) Have Fun!! IRA Campbell ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 16:22:54 -0400 (EDT) From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: new guy - Pfalz D.XII Message-ID: <971005162133_1208254559@emout05.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 97-10-05 06:16:50 EDT, sdw@qld.mim.com.au writes: << Robert, I had the pleasure of closely examining the Canberra Pfalx D.XII a couple of months ago and expending a couple of rolls of film on it. I very clearly recall the area behind the seat and the screen behind the seat being grey with a slight metallic sheen - presumably silbergrau. I took the opportunity to question the curator about what had, and what had nor been repainted atthe last restoration and was told that the interior was still "as was" AND while it's not absolutely, cast iron, certain that the plane wasn't repainted internally at some earlier time they believe the finish is authentic. >> Thanks for the info.I'd always wondered about the Canberra specimen.I'm building the Eduard Pfalz D III and I haven't closed up the fuselage yet- I think I'm going to go ahead and do the interior in silvergray. Robert ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 16:24:52 -0400 (EDT) From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: new guy - Pfalz D.XII Message-ID: <971005162307_-1832122912@emout13.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 97-10-05 06:16:50 EDT, sdw@qld.mim.com.au writes: << (and it isn't that ugly a scheme, just rather reminiscent of a late war Bf-10thingy) >> Yeah, I rather find the D XII paint scheme endearing Robert ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 13:38:02 -0700 From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: Fokker colors Message-ID: <199710052038.AA19930@ednet1.orednet.org> As a correction to my previous statement about being unaware of any surviving non-MvR Dr.I fabric samples, further checking reveals that the Imperial War Museum holds fabric samples from Dr.I 588/17. So at least one presumably undisputed example of non-MvR Dr.I fabric still exists. Interestingly, it is stated that 588/17 was painted overall turquiose before the streaked olive was applied (in much the same manner as it is alleged the F.Is and early Dr.Is were painted) so, presumably, the correct colors for both the turquoise and the olive could be checked against these surviving 588/17 fabric samples - after making allowance for age, oxidation, and the like. Cheers, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org "All generalizations are dangerous, even this one." Alexandre Dumas ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 16:42:56 -0400 (EDT) From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: taking over the world Message-ID: <971005164126_-1764992282@emout18.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 97-10-05 09:05:39 EDT, amadon@wsii.com writes: << Not quite- 1:72 [actually my favorite] is for "Hobbits! Gerry >> That reminds me- on a somewhat serious note, I've often thought that Tolkein's Nazgul characters somehow reflected his WWI experiences in the trenches.Large batwinged things controlled by enemy "pilots" that sometimes flew high out of sight to spy, other times they came down low to "strafe".Maybe he looked up the sky and saw a dot and that made him and his fellow trench dwellers feel uneasy.Perhaps he suffered the terror of a Halb CL II attack. I do believe that though his books were "fantasy", his writings may contain a very accurate account of what it felt like to be on the receiving end of airpower in the early days of this century. Robert ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 14:54:55 -0700 From: Charles Hart To: wwi Subject: Re: Fokker fuse fairings Message-ID: >Hi All, > >First off, a hearty welcome to both new members. Now a question. Anyone >know or care to guess whether the fuselage fairing panels on the Dr.I, E.= >V >& D.VIII were natural wood or painted and if painted, what colour? I >suppose grey would be the obvious answer but I'd rather not go further >without your considered opinions. > >Regards > >Geoff An original D-VIII fuselage survives in Italy, and is currently under restoration at the Caproni Museum. I seem to recall seeing a photo of this prior to restoration and noting that the panels were varnished plywood. Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 17:03:25 -0400 (EDT) From: DavidL1217@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Guillow SE5a Message-ID: <971005170135_-1262294477@emout03.mail.aol.com> If you have the small Guillow WWI kit, hang on to it. There were 12 of these made. I have managed to collect all but three. Still looking for Nieport 27 and Sopwith Snipe and Bristol 'Bullet' (actually a scout) The tooling for six of these: Albatros, Pfalz, Snipe, Nieuport 27, Halberstadt Cl II, and Bristol 'Bullet' were supposed destroyed in a plant fire in the 60's. In the 70's the Camel, SE5a, SPAD, Fokker DVII, Fokker DIII and Nieuport 28 resurface with styrene cowlings. They originally had lighter vacuform ones. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 17:05:59 -0400 (EDT) From: DavidL1217@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Roll Models Order Message-ID: <971005170443_1531056692@emout04.mail.aol.com> I have an idea for a new competition. Let's see who's faster, Roll Models or Silverbirds! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 14:09:18 -0700 From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: Fokker fuse fairings Message-ID: <199710052109.AA29342@ednet1.orednet.org> Geoff diligently types: > >Hi All, > >First off, a hearty welcome to both new members. Now a question. Anyone >know or care to guess whether the fuselage fairing panels on the Dr.I, E.= >V >& D.VIII were natural wood or painted and if painted, what colour? I >suppose grey would be the obvious answer but I'd rather not go further >without your considered opinions. You are enquiring about the interior, and not the exterior, of this panel, right? I would think that varnish natural wood would be most likely correct although this is mostly reasoned speculation. The drawing of von Stapenhorst's 144/17 published in Flight magazine in 1918 show this panel drawn with a distinct wood grain making it likely that the wood grain was visible to the artist. A paint, as opposed to a clear varnish, would presumably cover the wood grain and make it less likely that the artist would illustrate the wood grain. The photo of the uncovered 144/17 shown on page 29 of the Fokker Dr. I Datafile Special seems to show a light colored, wood grained panel and appears consistent with a varnished natural wood panel although the photo is a little unclear. The other "naked" photo of a Dr.I on that page seems to show the wing spars, wing ribs, and the ply leading edge as natural wood color and Imrie, in "The Fokker Triplane", repeatedly refers to the interior wing parts as being "varnished". As the fuselage fairing would be produced by the same wood working shop as the wing parts, it would be likely that they would be finished similarly. On the other hand, the photo of Lothar vR's crashed 454/17 seems to clearly show that the upper wing spar was treated with some sort of darker colored paint (stain? varnish?) (page 52 of Imrie's book). And, the interior of this fairing seems to be visible in the photo of Scholz's crashed 591/17 (page 84 of Imrie's book) and it seems to have an appearance more consistent with a paint than of varnished natural wood. It may be that there was _not_ a consistent manner of finishing this fairing throughout the Dr.I production run and that some may have been varnished and some painted. There were certainly some measures taken to increase the water resistence of the wooden wing parts after the wing failures on the early Dr.Is and a change in the water-resistant finish applied to all the wood parts might have been part of that. In short, I suspect you could go with which ever way suits yer fancy and avoid a ticket from the authenticity cops. I'd probably pick the varnished wood approach if forced to make a choice. Cheers, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org "All generalizations are dangerous, even this one." Alexandre Dumas ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 16:30:52 -0500 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: taking over the world Message-ID: <19971005.164730.14606.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Sun, 5 Oct 1997 00:18:09 -0400 Bob Pearson writes: >I have just been sitting back and letting the rest of you carry on, >but I must interject at this point as the TICK is (was) the best show on TV. > >SPOON ! ! ! ! Well, Bob, I have enjoyed The Tick since it was a *comic book* years ago. Unfortunately, the switch back and forth from/to Fox and from/to Comedy Central put a kabosh on me watching it. Plus, the creator Ben Edlund did it to himself when he let other people put spins on his creative work. To me, that's a sell out, and I have read articles where all he cares about is money, and not necessarily his creation. FWIW, and sorry to carry this off topic conversation, but if you want to get into really wonderful comic books, read _Bone_ by Jeff Smith; _The Books of Ballads and Sagas_ by Charles Vess; and _Castle Waiting_ by Linda Medley. The last two are more comedic than "Books", but all are extremely well done. Also on the comic book thread, the latest _Batman: Legends of the Dark Knight_ is right up our alley. The story takes place in an area like the Aerodrome in New York. In the comic are really well rendered SPAD's, Camel's, Fokker D.VII's and Fokker Dr.I's. The only glaring mistake (it is a comic book, after all) was the misspelling of "Albatross". Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 18:04:29 -0400 From: Geoff Smith To: "INTERNET:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: tea and vengeance Message-ID: <199710051804_MC2-22E2-E4D5@compuserve.com> IRA wrote: >You haven't seen any construction drawings for a Berg D.I in there, have you?= Never hurts to ask, I suppose. :^)< Unfortunately not and if you don't ask, you don't find out. You're not planning on a scratchbuild from the other items then? 8^) Cheers, Geoff ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 19:56:59 -0400 (EDT) From: TPTPUMPER@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: tea and vengeance Message-ID: <971005195540_124572998@emout20.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 97-10-05 18:06:02 EDT, you write: > IRA wrote: > > >You > haven't seen any construction drawings for a Berg D.I in there, have you?= > > Never hurts to ask, I suppose. :^)< > > Unfortunately not and if you don't ask, you don't find out. You're not > planning on a scratchbuild from the other items then? 8^) > > Cheers, > > Geoff > Hi Geoff! No scratchbuilding plans from the items you mentioned, thanks. And, there's no such thing as a dumb question if you don't know the answer. ;^) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Oct 1997 19:58:56 -0400 From: Alberto Rada To: wwi Subject: Re: Roll Models Order Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971005195856.00724cb4@pop.true.net> Nah, by the time we have a winer I'll only have eyesight for 1/1 scale SALUDOS ALBERTO At 05:13 PM 05-10-97 -0400, you wrote: >I have an idea for a new competition. Let's see who's faster, Roll Models or >Silverbirds! > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Oct 1997 20:03:18 -0400 From: Alberto Rada To: wwi Subject: Re: taking over the world Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971005200318.00720c70@pop.true.net> Hi Matt This time I have to agree with you, only god can have the eyesight to distinguish the tipe of plane in 1/72 SALUDOS ALBERTO At 10:19 PM 04-10-97 -0400, you wrote: >On Sat, 4 Oct 1997 16:31:20 -0400 KarrArt@aol.com writes: > >> For now, I guess it's just a 1/48 world.A few key words got my >> wife model-world ready- Zap-a-gap, Aurora, Eduard, Smer.Then a >> few key phrases:"1/48 good","1/72 like building insects" > >No, it's "1/48 for those with no imagination and blind", "1/72nd >for god-like beings". > > >Matt Bittner > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 10:24:09 +0000 From: B-A-L To: wwi Subject: Re: new guy - Gotha Nacelles Message-ID: <3438BC49.21E9@eis.net.au> Riordan, I go mad try to carve out an ACCURATELY SHAPED blank for things like nacelles too - On the Gotha GV IV AND V I'm doing now I elected to build up the nacelle forms using a variation on the old balsa flying model method - Use the Windsock profiles to establish section shapes - When youv'e done that, reduce the outside dimesion of the section to allow for the thickness of the material you will be using to cover/ skin the forms - quite thin card can be used for the skin - How you do the internals depends on whether you are going to use the form itself or employ it as a plug ( to make a moulding ) or use what you have made WITH an engine installed : As to using the form as a ( punch ) moulding plug - Whatever works for you - Plaster of paris or resin moulding compound in a small box - create the " working plug " from that and then punch mould in the usual male female set up - You may find it's easier to use this method for the curved parts esp. fronts of the nacelles anyway As to custom built nacelles - ( I moulded the curved parts as above ) You can set up frames on a small lower " spine " with two further main spines at the top in a postion so they don't interfere with engine ( see following ) If you intend fitting an engine, cut the frames down internally to form a hollow rib section and then install thin stringers ( notched into the frame section ribs ) linking the frames as the base over which you lay the covering. Before laying on the covering material, fit carriers/ mounts for the engine on the inner surfaces of the frame ribs which you will have stationed to permit this - Whack in an engine at the most convenient time and then close up the box by fitting the curved parts. I found that by using this method you can add a lot of the fine nacelle detail working with the external panels " on the flat " of your work bench. Overall the method is time consuming but I found that you also save time on detailing the panels on the work bench rather than in situ. Errors can just be junked - Also the dings and other subtle consequences of regular maintenance are relatively easy to replicate on a thin panel, giving the whole a more authentic overall appearance - Of course the flat panels could even be done in thin sheet metal. I didn't go that far, but on second thoughts, its not such a bad idea .... BTW The engines were moulded in resin off the Merc block that comes with the Eduard Pfalz D III If you want to give this a go but need a couple of simple reference scetches let me know David ( R.L. Laws ) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 09:42:35 -0500 From: phoward@abilene.com (Paul Howard) To: Subject: Re: taking over the world Message-ID: <01bcd19c$ebd46580$2e868ece@default> Thankfully the voice of reason has appeared. You are correct Bob, the Tick rules! A close second would be Space Ghost and then Scooby Doo. EEEW, Mucus; The Scourge of Mankind!!..... Paul H -----Original Message----- From: Bob Pearson To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Saturday, October 04, 1997 11:17 PM Subject: Re: taking over the world > >Matt and Robert, > >I have just been sitting back and letting the rest of you carry on, but I >must interject at this point as the TICK is (was) the best show on TV. > >SPOON ! ! ! ! >Bob > >---------- >> and flood the contests with 1/24 Staakens and (yes) 1/72 Zeppelins! >> (and yes my friend, you are not alone in your enjoyment of the best show >on >> TV) > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 10:01:59 -0500 From: phoward@abilene.com (Paul Howard) To: Subject: Re: new guy - Pfalz D.XII Message-ID: <01bcd19f$a138f100$2e868ece@default> Shane, Up until now, I've found a common ground with you on most subjects. I now must make a stand on what I believe; The hideousness of a Pfalz D.XII multi-color paint scheme should never be compared to the particularly fetching schemes of late war BF 10thingies. I cannot, and will not, stand by and see it happen, while I still have the energy to email! Why, next you'll be telling people the RE 8 was ugly... Inconceivable! ;-} Paul Howard Avid W.W.I modeler Rabid on the subject of 10Thingies -----Original Message----- From: Shane Weier To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Sunday, October 05, 1997 5:18 AM Subject: Re: new guy - Pfalz D.XII >KarrArt@aol.com wrote: >> > >> I've noticed.....I've been a member of the list less than 24 hours and I've >> suddenly become predatorially cynical, so in keeping with that theme- anybody >> want to tackle the idea that Pfalz cockpits, including the D III were painted >> gray rather than being left some raggedy wood and tainted dope-besotten >> fabric tape color? > >Robert, > >I had the pleasure of closely examining the Canberra Pfalx D.XII a >couple of months ago and expending a couple of rolls of film on it. >Unfortunately, the exposed film still resides in my refrigerator while I >pay ransom to half the medical establishment in Brisbane. However, I >very clearly recall the area behind the seat and the screen behind the >seat being grey with a slight metallic sheen - presumably silbergrau. > >I took the opportunity to question the curator about what had, and what >had nor been repainted atthe last restoration and was told that the >interior was still "as was" AND while it's not absolutely, cast iron, >certain that the plane wasn't repainted internally at some earlier time >they believe the finish is authentic. > >Incidentally, Although the exterior was repainted by the AWM >conservators, the match to the original finish is said to be excellent - >whatever we take that to mean. > >Regards > >Shane >(and it isn't that ugly a scheme, just rather reminiscent of a late war >Bf-10thingy) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 10:20:56 -0500 From: phoward@abilene.com (Paul Howard) To: "post wwi" Subject: Eduard Kits Message-ID: <01bcd1a2$472a6880$2e868ece@default> Hey guys, Has anyone heard when the next Eduard releases are do out? PH ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 20:47:08 -0500 From: kevinkim@interlog.com (barrett) To: wwi Subject: Re: Robert's Tolkien & Airpower Message-ID: Robert Wrote: >That reminds me- on a somewhat serious note, I've often thought that >Tolkein's Nazgul characters somehow reflected his WWI experiences in the >trenches.Large batwinged things controlled by enemy "pilots" that sometimes >flew high out of sight to spy, other times they came down low to >"strafe".Maybe he looked up the sky and saw a dot and that made him and his >fellow trench dwellers feel uneasy.Perhaps he suffered the terror of a Halb >CL II attack. I do believe that though his books were "fantasy", his writings >may contain a very accurate account of what it felt like to be on the >receiving end of airpower in the early days of this century. >Robert I have also often thought about how WWI affected Tolkien's writing. Note the beginning of The Hobbit: "In a hole in the ground, there lived a Hobbit." Was he really writing, "In a bunker in the trenches there lived a Tommy," and then his fantasy began from there? Reading his books, it's evident that Hobbits are Englishmen (with the Shire, Sheriffs and Postal Service - a Hobbit's stout courage, perseverence and will to overcome all odds). Hobbits have the distictly English characteristics of pluck and moral fiber. Too bad Tolkien didn't write about Hobbits fighting from the backs of the Great Eagles - then we'd see what the man thought about the RFC! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 09:54:45 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: new guy - Pfalz D.XII Message-ID: Paul (who is, on his own admission) >>Rabid on the subject of 10Thingies ...proves himself right with this load of unwholesome codswallop: >>The hideousness of a Pfalz D.XII >>multi-color paint scheme should never be compared to the particularly >>fetching schemes of late war BF 10thingies. I cannot, and will not, stand >>by and see it happen, while I still have the energy to email! Pfaugh!! Having seen a late war 10thingy in its *original* paintwork one day after seeing a beeeooootiful Pfalz, I concede no ground to such an uncultured statement. > >>Why, next you'll be telling people the RE 8 was ugly... Inconceivable! ;-} Who, me? Utilitarian, yes. Workmanlike, yes. Not, err, *exactly* beutiful, yes. But tell anyone a Harry Tate is ugly? You *must* be kidding. There are at least 40 versions of plug ugly 10thingies between it and the nether end of a horse !! ;-) > >>Paul Howard (rabid) >Avid W.W.I modeler Regards Shane ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 20:18:36 -0500 From: phoward@abilene.com (Paul Howard) To: "post wwi" Subject: Tom's 1/48 scale Pfalz D.XII Message-ID: <01bcd1f5$c5259ae0$29868ece@default> Has anyone seen the Tom's Pfalz D. XII kit yet, and are they really worth having? Some of his resin stuff has been really bad, and I really don't want to blow the money on something like the resin Albatros D.V. I plan on ordering one within the nest couple of weeks. Any first hand opinions would be greatly appreciated. Paul H. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 20:22:52 -0500 From: phoward@abilene.com (Paul Howard) To: Subject: Re: new guy - Pfalz D.XII Message-ID: <01bcd1f6$5dee7580$29868ece@default> Oooooooo. What you said! By thte way, what does codswallop mean? Paul H. -----Original Message----- From: Shane Weier To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Sunday, October 05, 1997 8:10 PM Subject: RE: new guy - Pfalz D.XII >Paul (who is, on his own admission) > >>>Rabid on the subject of 10Thingies > >..proves himself right with this load of unwholesome codswallop: > >>>The hideousness of a Pfalz D.XII >>>multi-color paint scheme should never be compared to the particularly >>>fetching schemes of late war BF 10thingies. I cannot, and will not, stand >>>by and see it happen, while I still have the energy to email! > >Pfaugh!! Having seen a late war 10thingy in its *original* paintwork >one day after seeing a beeeooootiful Pfalz, I concede no ground to such >an uncultured statement. >> >>>Why, next you'll be telling people the RE 8 was ugly... Inconceivable! ;-} > >Who, me? Utilitarian, yes. Workmanlike, yes. Not, err, *exactly* >beutiful, yes. But tell anyone a Harry Tate is ugly? You *must* be >kidding. There are at least 40 versions of plug ugly 10thingies between >it and the nether end of a horse !! ;-) >> >>>Paul Howard >(rabid) >Avid W.W.I modeler > >Regards > >Shane ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 10:33:58 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: new guy - Pfalz D.XII Message-ID: Paul >>Oooooooo. What you said! > >>By thte way, what does codswallop mean? Hell, I don't know. I heard a Pommy say it once and it sounded really rude in that mothfull of marbles voice. Of course, everything he said was rubbish, not just codswallop ;-) Shane (I suppose you'll be painting the Toms D.XII in a late war mottle then?) ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 698 *********************