WWI Digest 692

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) Re: Dawn Patrol - was Red Baron II 
	by Alberto Rada <rada@true.NET>
  2) Aaargh - I can't stand it
	by Shane Weier <sdw@qld.mim.com.au>
  3) Re: Aaargh - I can't stand it
	by Alberto Rada <rada@true.NET>
  4) Re: Aaargh - I can't stand it
	by "huggins@onramp.net" <John.Huggins@OnRamp.NET>
  5) Re: Aaargh - I can't stand it
	by bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael)
  6) Re: Nungesser's Fate
	by Andrew and Rebecca Hall <tigone@phoenix.net>
  7) New Photo
	by BStett3770@aol.com
  8) Re: Nungesser's Fate
	by TPTPUMPER@aol.com
  9) Re: Nungesser's Fate
	by Sandy Adam <sandya@cbbs.demon.co.uk>
 10) Re: Nungesser's Fate
	by Sandy Adam <sandya@cbbs.demon.co.uk>
 11) Re: Aaargh - I can't stand it
	by Suvoroff@aol.com
 12) Red Baron I
	by Suvoroff@aol.com
 13) Re: Red Baron I
	by B-A-L <laws@eis.net.au>
 14) stirring the waters....
	by Joey Valenciano <joeyval@philonline.com.ph>
 15) Re: Nungesser's Fate
	by Charles Hart <hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU>
 16) Re: Aaargh - I can't stand it
	by Franco Poloni <frank@lo.itline.it>
 17) Re: Red Baron I
	by Carlos Valdes <carlos.valdes@conted.gatech.edu>
 18) Now, Sandy . . .
	by Carlos Valdes <carlos.valdes@conted.gatech.edu>
 19) Re: Red Baron I
	by Carlos Valdes <carlos.valdes@conted.gatech.edu>
 20) RE: Red Baron I
	by "Denest, Michael J" <Michael.Denest@PHL.Boeing.com>

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Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 19:45:27 -0400
From: Alberto Rada <rada@true.NET>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Dawn Patrol - was Red Baron II 
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970929194527.006cdac4@pop.true.net>

Hi Gang and Mike

On my humble opinion nothing has come out yet that beats good old 
Red Baron I , some have beter graphics etc. but old graphics and all 
R B is still king of the hill

SALUDOS

ALBERTO


At 06:32 PM 29-09-97 -0400, you wrote:
>>James D. Gray wrote
>>     I played about 2000 hours of Red Baron One.  You may think that meant I
>>liked it.  I found the great lesson of the war was, fly a SPAD.  If the odds
>>get too bad, you can always split, and nothing German is going to catch you!
>>     The greatest moment of the whole game for me is when I was
challenged to
>>single combat by Lothar Von Richtofen, and he showed up with two of his
>>buddies!  These filthy Huns cannot be trusted!
>
>        You and me both! I play that game still. Seems to have the easiest
>to use flight characteristics and the best options. I always thought they
>had unfairly singled out Lothar until someone else mentioned that Mannock
>uses the same trick. Hmmm, 2,000 hours and I never got to the pointw where
>he challenged me. Best I can manage was Nungesser. Anyway, I figure they
>must be close to done, since the ad was 2 full pages in living color. Must
>have cost a lot of $$$.
>Mike Muth
>
>
>
>


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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 09:36:36 +1000
From: Shane Weier <sdw@qld.mim.com.au>
To: "'wwi'" <wwi>
Subject: Aaargh - I can't stand it
Message-ID: <c=AU%a=_%p=MIMH%l=MIMHLAN/MIMHEXCH/0003034B@mimh3.mim.com.au>

GDay all,

I can't stand it any longer. Being excommunicated is more than I can
bear.

So (after today) I'm going to be a closet subscriber, and use digest
form.  I tried asking the list server for help, but it doesn't mention
digest, so I'm guessing I send

set wwi digest

...to get things working in that fashion.

It's great to be back, even if the immediacy is gone !

Shane

nb.  bloody Bristol bloody F.2b - but it's looking great to my dodgy
eyesight
       Eduard Pfalz D.III  (scraped off interior wall detail, replaced
with styrene strip, new scratchbuilt seat)
       

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Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 22:00:44 -0400
From: Alberto Rada <rada@true.NET>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Aaargh - I can't stand it
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970929220044.006cb5f4@pop.true.net>

Hi Shane

It is wanderful to have you back 

SALUDOS

ALBERTO


At 07:52 PM 29-09-97 -0400, you wrote:
>GDay all,
>
>I can't stand it any longer. Being excommunicated is more than I can
>bear.
>
>So (after today) I'm going to be a closet subscriber, and use digest
>form.  I tried asking the list server for help, but it doesn't mention
>digest, so I'm guessing I send
>
>set wwi digest
>
>..to get things working in that fashion.
>
>It's great to be back, even if the immediacy is gone !
>
>Shane
>
>nb.  bloody Bristol bloody F.2b - but it's looking great to my dodgy
>eyesight
>       Eduard Pfalz D.III  (scraped off interior wall detail, replaced
>with styrene strip, new scratchbuilt seat)
>       
>
>


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Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 21:02:20 -0500
From: "huggins@onramp.net" <John.Huggins@OnRamp.NET>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Aaargh - I can't stand it
Message-ID: <v03110702b0560e0666c5@[206.50.201.23]>

>GDay all,
>
>I can't stand it any longer. Being excommunicated is more than I can
>bear.
>
>So (after today) I'm going to be a closet subscriber, and use digest
>form.  I tried asking the list server for help, but it doesn't mention
>digest, so I'm guessing I send

Shane,
Welcome back.
John

Disclaimer:  Any errors in spelling, tact, or fact are transmission errors.



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Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 22:14:26 -0400
From: bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael)
To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list <wwi>
Subject: Re: Aaargh - I can't stand it
Message-ID: <199709300214.WAA00520@pease1.sr.unh.edu>

At 07:52 PM 9/29/97 -0400, Shane Weier wrote:
>GDay all,
>
>I can't stand it any longer. Being excommunicated is more than I can
>bear.
        We of the faithful are glad to see you've returned to the flock.
Mike Muth



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Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 21:42:21 -0700
From: Andrew and Rebecca Hall <tigone@phoenix.net>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Nungesser's Fate
Message-ID: <3430832D.1402@phoenix.net>

Mary-Ann/Michael wrote:
> On Weekend Edition on NPR last week Clive Cussler, the guy who 
> writes the books about ship salvaging (Raise the Titanic, etc) 
> says he is part of a group still looking for Nungesser's ship, 
> "The White Bird."

Having watched the activities of the indefatigable Mr. Cussler and his group, 
NUMA, here in Galveston over the last ten or twelve years, I have seen that 
there is often a substantial difference between the tone of their press 
releases and the actual archaeological results they produce.  They have had a 
few notable successes -- the discovery of the Confederate submarine H. L. 
Hunley being one of them -- but those are the exception rather than the rule.

--------->  Andy Hall

Andrew and Rebecca Hall
Galveston, Texas


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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 00:46:55 -0400 (EDT)
From: BStett3770@aol.com
To: wwi
Subject: New Photo
Message-ID: <970929220347_1698138248@emout12.mail.aol.com>

Hi Gang

Just put up a new photo of the month on our web site.

Take a look - 4 photos of Lewis Scarf ring mounts on a DH-4

New Roseplane pre-release news

Next kit 1/72 Vacform with Resin Parts
Hanriot HD-3
Listing & Drawings on the Roseplane new listing on the home page

All at: www.swiftsite.com/rosemonthobby

Keep Modeling
Barry
Rosemont Hobby


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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 02:29:51 -0400 (EDT)
From: TPTPUMPER@aol.com
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Nungesser's Fate
Message-ID: <970930022950_588879377@emout15.mail.aol.com>

Hi Guys!

   The group I have always heard about as looking for Nungesser's plane,
etc., was TIGHAR, led by Rick Gillespie.  Yes, the same group that has been
looking for Amelia in the Pacific.  The last I heard they had found nothing
on Nungesser.  I talked with Bill Nungesser several years ago.  He said they
had a witness who heard an engine overhead at the appropriate time, but
nothing had come of it.  They had thought they would find an engine if
nothing else, but still nothing has turned up.

IRA Campbell

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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 09:23:20 +0100 (BST)
From: Sandy Adam <sandya@cbbs.demon.co.uk>
To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi>
Subject: Re: Nungesser's Fate
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.970930091943.20694A-100000@firewall.cbbs.co.uk>



On Tue, 30 Sep 1997 TPTPUMPER@aol.com wrote:
> I talked with Bill Nungesser several years ago.  He said they
> had a witness who heard an engine overhead at the appropriate time,...

I'm surprised Lothar von Richthofen didn't claim him as a kill then -
hearing overhead seems to have been his main criterion for claiming an
Ace!

Sandy
(Lighting blue touch paper and standing back!)


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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 09:31:50 +0100 (BST)
From: Sandy Adam <sandya@cbbs.demon.co.uk>
To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi>
Subject: Re: Nungesser's Fate
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.970930092356.20694B-100000@firewall.cbbs.co.uk>



On Mon, 29 Sep 1997 Suvoroff@aol.com wrote:

>      Is there any good source for biographies of the Great French Aces?
>  Stuff on British aces seems easy to find, and of course the Germans as
> always are covered past the point of repletion, but I am having a hard time
> with finding stuff on the French.

If youcan find it there's the Albatros volume on Guynemer - also fairly
easily available over here is the old Christopher Campbell "Aces and
aircraft of WW1" which looks a bit naff from the cover, but is in fact
rather good and covers Navarre, Guynemer, Nungesser and Fonck.
Also old but good in a general coverage is Joseph Phelan's "Aircraft and
Flyers of 1st WW".
Sandy


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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 04:46:34 -0400 (EDT)
From: Suvoroff@aol.com
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Aaargh - I can't stand it
Message-ID: <970930044634_1687492456@emout20.mail.aol.com>

Welcome back.  I have been reading over the old digests from the earliest
recorded, and it seems that you have been working on that Biff from
primordial times.  Ever going to finish? 

Yours,
James D. Gray

nr- The 900 Days
nl- Nick at Night

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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 05:42:42 -0400 (EDT)
From: Suvoroff@aol.com
To: wwi
Subject: Red Baron I
Message-ID: <970930054241_-529904963@emout05.mail.aol.com>

     I know about the Richthofen brothers and their unsavory tactics because
I fought them both.  I played on the highest realism level (except midair
collisions) and never backed up the game, starting over from the beginning
whenever I died.  However, when being the Germans, I never could survive long
after the introduction of the SE5a, you CAN'T run and you can't hide either.
 I'd always wind up playing a second rate Voss imitation with four or
sometimes even eight SE5a's zooming around me and I would die.  Thus, I never
got challenged by the higher-ranking Allied aces.  
     As an Allied fighter pilot, though, I would get my trusty SPAD and I
could always run away, if nothing else!

Yours,
James D. Gray

nr.  The 900 Days
nl.  Nick at Night

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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 21:38:25 +0000
From: B-A-L <laws@eis.net.au>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Red Baron I
Message-ID: <34317151.4F93@eis.net.au>

This is torture !!! 

I  cann't stand to  go on reading about all of these wonderful WW1 
Flight Sims for #@$#@@! DOS compatibles - Isn't there a version of 
something decent available for the Mac ??!!  

FA 18 Hornet and Flying Nightmares maybe full of missles, guided bombs 
and other techno fun, but I'd kill to get into an open cockpit and do 
some REAL flying

PLEASE, IN THE NAME OF HUMANITY, HAVE MERCY ON A MAC ADDICT !!

DAVID R.L. LAWS

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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 22:35:33 +0800
From: Joey Valenciano <joeyval@philonline.com.ph>
To: wwi
Subject: stirring the waters....
Message-ID: <199709301435.WAA09187@fiesta.philonline.com.ph>


Hello mga kaibigan (friends),

A hypothetical question....

Suppose that very new resin manufacturer is looking for a WWI project as a
first project.

Scale = 1/48

This manufacturer has a tendency to opt for large (2-4 engines) or unusual
projects.

Any suggestions?

Remember! This is just make believe!  ;-)




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Joey Valenciano               WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, 
joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph     sitarist 
tel. (632) 921-26-75
Metro-Manila, Philippines

            "The more you know, the more you don't know."

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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 09:28:42 -0700
From: Charles Hart <hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Nungesser's Fate
Message-ID: <l03102800b056d8789a10@[128.138.153.98]>

>Hi Guys!
>
>   The group I have always heard about as looking for Nungesser's plane,
>etc., was TIGHAR, led by Rick Gillespie.  Yes, the same group that has been
>looking for Amelia in the Pacific.  The last I heard they had found nothing
>on Nungesser.  I talked with Bill Nungesser several years ago.  He said they
>had a witness who heard an engine overhead at the appropriate time, but
>nothing had come of it.  They had thought they would find an engine if
>nothing else, but still nothing has turned up.
>
>IRA Campbell

     I read a brief report in an issue of WW I Aero several years back
describing the activities of TIGHAR which mentioned that the engine and
some other bits of wreckage of Nungesser's trans-Atlantic plane had indeed
been found somewhere in Newfoundland.  This report indicated that TIGHAR
was satisfied that they had indeed found the right plane bits.  I think
that subsequent activites of TIGHAR looking for remains of Amelia has
overshadowed their earlier accomplishment.

Charles

hartc@spot.colorado.edu



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Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 04:41:24 GMT
From: Franco Poloni <frank@lo.itline.it>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Aaargh - I can't stand it
Message-ID: <199709280441.EAA01088@lo.itline.it>

At 19.52 29/09/97 -0400, you wrote:
>GDay all,
>
>I can't stand it any longer. Being excommunicated is more than I can
>bear.
>
>So (after today) I'm going to be a closet subscriber, and use digest
>form.  I tried asking the list server for help, but it doesn't mention
>digest, so I'm guessing I send
>
>set wwi digest
>
>..to get things working in that fashion.
>
>It's great to be back, even if the immediacy is gone !
>
>Shane
>
>nb.  bloody Bristol bloody F.2b - but it's looking great to my dodgy
>eyesight
>       Eduard Pfalz D.III  (scraped off interior wall detail, replaced
>with styrene strip, new scratchbuilt seat)
>       
>
>
Ciao Shane
nice to see you back home


 Franco


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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 13:16:42 -0400
From: Carlos Valdes <carlos.valdes@conted.gatech.edu>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Red Baron I
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970930171642.006b78ec@conted.swann.gatech.edu>


>This is torture !!! 
>
>I  cann't stand to  go on reading about all of these wonderful WW1 
>Flight Sims for #@$#@@! DOS compatibles - Isn't there a version of 
>something decent available for the Mac ??!!  
>
>FA 18 Hornet and Flying Nightmares maybe full of missles, guided bombs 
>and other techno fun, but I'd kill to get into an open cockpit and do 
>some REAL flying
>
>PLEASE, IN THE NAME OF HUMANITY, HAVE MERCY ON A MAC ADDICT !!
>
>DAVID R.L. LAWS
>

David,
        You poor misguided Mac user--didn't you know which OS had all the
fun stuff? The only WWI sim I know of available for the Mac (though it may
be very hard to find now) is--fortunately, as it's the most fun--the
original Red Baron. 
        Actually, the maker, Sierra, is GIVING AWAY the original RB at its
site, but I don't know if the Mac version is available. Check out
http://www.sierra.com
                                                Carlos


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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 13:22:32 -0400
From: Carlos Valdes <carlos.valdes@conted.gatech.edu>
To: wwi
Subject: Now, Sandy . . .
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970930172232.006b9b98@conted.swann.gatech.edu>

        Now, Sandy, let's not open up this Pandora's box again: we don't
want to have to start talking about the work of imaginatve fiction that's
the RFC/RAF victories list . . . ;-)
                                Carlos


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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 13:40:10 -0400
From: Carlos Valdes <carlos.valdes@conted.gatech.edu>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Red Baron I
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970930174010.006c1db4@conted.swann.gatech.edu>


>        Actually, the maker, Sierra, is GIVING AWAY the original RB at its
>site, but I don't know if the Mac version is available. Check out
>http://www.sierra.com

David et al.,
        Seems I wrote too soon: I just visited Sierra's site and found that
the RB giveaway--as far as I could tell--had stopped (I suppose it could be
hidden somewhere in the depths of the site; the game has also been available
in the CD that comes with some computer gaming magazines such as PC Gamer
and CGW and might thus be found at their sites). The Mac section was barren
too--sorry.
                                                Carlos


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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 14:12:03 -0400
From: "Denest, Michael J" <Michael.Denest@PHL.Boeing.com>
To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" <wwi>
Subject: RE: Red Baron I
Message-ID: <21A9C368581DD011986600805FEABAD4E2FF91@xch-phl-01.he.boeing.com>

Carlos,
I just downloaded the game about 10 minutes ago.  Click the RB picture
and you will see it somewhere around the bottom of the page in real
small print.

Mike Denest
Rapid Prototyping Center
Building 3-29     M/S P38-01
Boeing ISDS Rotorcraft
PO Box 16858
Philadelphia, PA 19142
Phone 1-610-591-4681
Fax       1-610-591-4444
e-mail to: michael.denest@PHL.boeing.com







> ----------
> From: 	Carlos Valdes[SMTP:carlos.valdes@conted.gatech.edu]
> Sent: 	Tuesday, September 30, 1997 1:46 PM
> To: 	Multiple recipients of list
> Subject: 	Re: Red Baron I
> 
> 
> >        Actually, the maker, Sierra, is GIVING AWAY the original RB
> at its
> >site, but I don't know if the Mac version is available. Check out
> >http://www.sierra.com
> 
> David et al.,
>         Seems I wrote too soon: I just visited Sierra's site and found
> that
> the RB giveaway--as far as I could tell--had stopped (I suppose it
> could be
> hidden somewhere in the depths of the site; the game has also been
> available
> in the CD that comes with some computer gaming magazines such as PC
> Gamer
> and CGW and might thus be found at their sites). The Mac section was
> barren
> too--sorry.
>                                                 Carlos
> 

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