WWI Digest 687 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) RE: OFF TOPIC: I JUST SAW A ZERO, GUYS by Peter Mitchell 2) Re: Latest C&C Int'l by mgoodwin 3) RE: OFF TOPIC: I JUST SAW A ZERO, GUYS by Mick Fauchon 4) Re: OFF TOPIC: I JUST SAW A ZERO, GUYS by DavidL1217@aol.com 5) Re: OFF TOPIC: I JUST SAW A ZERO, GUYS by DavidL1217@aol.com 6) RE: OFF TOPIC: I JUST SAW A ZERO, GUYS by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 7) RE: OFF TOPIC: I JUST SAW A ZERO, GUYS by Bob Pearson 8) Re: OFF TOPIC: I JUST SAW A ZERO, GUYS by lothar@televar.com (mark) 9) Hello from Shane Weier by "huggins@onramp.net" 10) RE: OFF TOPIC: I JUST SAW A ZERO, GUYS by "TIM" 11) RE: OFF TOPIC: I JUST SAW A ZERO, GUYS by Patrick Padovan 12) Journey Into 1/48 Part 3 by kevinkim@interlog.com (barrett) 13) RE: OFF TOPIC: I JUST SAW A ZERO, GUYS by Geoff Smith 14) Re: Journey Into 1/48 Part 3 by BStett3770@aol.com 15) Re: Journey Into 1/48 Part 3 by Patrick Padovan 16) Re: Hobby Web by Alberto Rada 17) Re: Hobby Web by Patrick Padovan 18) Re: LOWDOWN ON THE ZERO: by Patrick Padovan 19) Re: Journey Into 1/48 Part 3 by phoward@abilene.com (Paul Howard) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 09:32:28 +1000 From: Peter Mitchell To: wwi Subject: RE: OFF TOPIC: I JUST SAW A ZERO, GUYS Message-ID: Living in the northern suburbs of Sydney I often get aircraft flying over my home....... a few days ago it was the concord (on it's yearly migration). It's not unusual to hear the drone of a Pratt+Whitney from a DC-3 and we now have a "Wattmans Choclates" blimp stooging around. I remember one summer when I heard the un-mistakeable roar of a Merlin engine.... it was a P-51 flying fairly low... if that wasn't enough about 5 min later a similar sound came round again. This time it was a Mk8 or 9 Spitfire in RAAF livery.. It made my day. Pete. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 18:17:34 -0700 From: mgoodwin To: wwi Subject: Re: Latest C&C Int'l Message-ID: <3429BBAE.283A@ricochet.net> Sandy Adam wrote: > > Just got the latest C&C Int'l through the post and it should suit Riordan > down to the ground - a Russian number! > Articles on Kosakov, Lake Onega Fairey seaplanes, RAF in N Russia, Nie17 > in Russian service, Maj Valentine RFC in Russia and Russian coastal > balloons. > Fsta vytyeh Rooskiyeh! (Sorry, don't have a Cyrillic keyboard!) > > Also extended obits on Cecil Lewis and Gwilym Lewis as well as Jim Cross. > Good front cover of Kosakov in Nie10 attacking a Brandenburg CI. > Sandy Sandy, Does C&C still sell sample issues? Riordan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 12:26:52 +1000 (EST) From: Mick Fauchon To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: OFF TOPIC: I JUST SAW A ZERO, GUYS Message-ID: Pete, > Living in the northern suburbs of Sydney I often get aircraft flying over > my home You must be almost on my doorstep. Where in the northern suburbs are you?........Don't say Gosford 80) ....... a few days ago it was the concord (on it's yearly > migration). What a pity we missed it up here 80) Occasionally we get a 747 practicing holding patterns and doing nav exercises. Apart from that we get FA-18s from RAAF Williamtown...... even occasionally some *real* aircraft, including Tiger Moths. > remember one summer when I heard the un-mistakeable roar of a Merlin > engine.... it was a P-51 flying fairly low... if that wasn't enough about 5 > min later a similar sound came round again. This time it was a Mk8 or 9 > Spitfire in RAAF livery.. It made my day. Ah, that would be Col Pay's Mk VIII.......we sometimes get to see/hear it if there's an air show around here......now and then in the company of a P-51 or the odd Sea Fury. If we're reeeaally lucky, we might get to see the replica Sopwith Pup. I'm still holding out for the growl of a DB-601.....or a BMW 180hp .......but I suppose that's too much to hope 80< Cheers, Mick. PS. I can still *barely* remember the sound --and sight--of 76 Sqn's P-51s flying out of Williamtown. -- -- Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM M M M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M M M M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M M M MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 23:25:16 -0400 (EDT) From: DavidL1217@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC: I JUST SAW A ZERO, GUYS Message-ID: <970924232355_37105032@emout02.mail.aol.com> I believe this is the early Zero recovered and was rebuilt in Russia. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 23:31:10 -0400 (EDT) From: DavidL1217@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC: I JUST SAW A ZERO, GUYS Message-ID: <970924232855_-495014996@emout01.mail.aol.com> Trust me guys, there is now a third flying zero. Just recently certified. It is an early model, possible Pearl Harbor vet. I saw it on The Learning Channel on a show about recovering lost treasures. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 20:27:53 -0700 From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: RE: OFF TOPIC: I JUST SAW A ZERO, GUYS Message-ID: <199709250327.AA03660@ednet1.orednet.org> Mick wrote: > > I'm still holding out for the growl of a DB-601.....or a BMW 180hp >......but I suppose that's too much to hope 80< A DB-601? Doesn't that go with that dreaded Me-one-oh-thingie? :-) Cheers, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org "All generalizations are dangerous, even this one." Alexandre Dumas ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 20:55:43 -0700 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: RE: OFF TOPIC: I JUST SAW A ZERO, GUYS Message-ID: <03554343143807@KAIEN.COM> Bill Shatzer wrote... > A DB-601? Doesn't that go with that dreaded Me-one-oh-thingie? Yes, but it also takes up space in the as yet unmentioned One-one-thingy :-) Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 22:06:32 -0700 (PDT) From: lothar@televar.com (mark) To: wwi Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC: I JUST SAW A ZERO, GUYS Message-ID: <199709250506.WAA06631@concord.televar.com> Greg asks: >No problema! What is the title of the CD on which this song can be >found? >Always liked Al but I didn't realize he was still recording. "To Whom It May Concern", a double CD of old stuff from '66 thru '71, put out by EMI in England (1993), available as an import in the U.S. The fine folks at Al's homepage (http://www.fish.com/music/al_stewart) can probably tell you where it can be found. His last CD, "Between the Wars" (1995, Blue Moon/Mesa) is great stuff to listen to while putting together anything with two wings! Buy it while you can, though, because Blue Moon/Mesa went belly up last year... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 00:53:10 -0500 From: "huggins@onramp.net" To: wwi Subject: Hello from Shane Weier Message-ID: I had the chance to exchanging e-mail with Shane a few days back. He asked me to pass on a big hello to all in the group. He says he is trying to finagle a way back to the net and to rejoin us. If anyone wants the e-mail address here it is. Ii do not know if this is a commercial or private connection. My posts were of a business nature. Shane Weier To: wwi Subject: RE: OFF TOPIC: I JUST SAW A ZERO, GUYS Message-ID: <199709251311.JAA16255@pease1.sr.unh.edu> Ok my turn; Where I work they used to use B-29's as targets in fact the parts for the only known flying B29 came out of the ranges out here. A local group and Airport has bargained and attained one of the last B-29's left out here and plans to restore it to flying condition and ii am trying to Volunteer my time to help with the restorstion. Also they plan on airlifiting it out by helicopter that will be a sight to behold. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 10:02:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Patrick Padovan To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: OFF TOPIC: I JUST SAW A ZERO, GUYS Message-ID: Dear Bob: Don't you mean "Bf one-thingy-o," or conversely, "Bf thingy-10?" And doesn't it take up -two- spaces? Or are you talking about something completely different, and I'm just confused by all this "thingy" talk? (I'm still waiting to hear from the Zero's owner, BTW.) Regards, Patrick P.S. Surely, all this abhorence for the Bf (okay, I won't say it, deferring to the predjudiced) only aplies to models? Surely not to the real thing (or thingy)? I was at Duxford in 96, when they were running up the DB-601 on their Bf-thingy G, and man, was that a beautiful sound! Something left us when the prop-engined military planes passed into history, Gents, and that's something the planes of both the World wars- and the years between them- shared in common. Anyway, pardon MHO. I love ALL military prop a/c, regardless of national origin. (I'm pretty fond of vintage civil props, as well.) PJP ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Patrick Padovan Interlibrary Loan Associate Timberland Regional Library Voice: 360-943-5001 415 Airdustrial Way SW FAX: 360-586-6838 Olympia, WA 98501-5799 e-mail: ppadovan@timberland.lib.wa.us ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Wed, 24 Sep 1997, Bob Pearson wrote: > > Bill Shatzer wrote... > > > A DB-601? Doesn't that go with that dreaded Me-one-oh-thingie? > > Yes, but it also takes up space in the as yet unmentioned One-one-thingy > :-) > > Bob > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 16:57:24 -0500 From: kevinkim@interlog.com (barrett) To: wwi Subject: Journey Into 1/48 Part 3 Message-ID: Hello List, Time for another Fok Dr.I installment. Last time we left DML kit no.5906, I was yakking-on about small machinegun parts. Well, the engine went together nicely, and both it and the guns are now painted. I started each with Aged Metal, washed with Oily Black, and very lightly dry-brushed with Silver. The fuselage halves are glued, puttied and sanded. The wings have also been separated from the sprue, mold lines removed, and the pieces washed and primed. Push has come to shove, and it's now time to pick a plane to model. After much searching and debate (and picking up the Windsock Datafile Special on the Dr.I), I narrowed my choice down to two machines: Hans Kirschstein's 586/17 "die Optische Taeuschung," from Jasta 6, and Paul Baumer's 204/17 "Red/White/Black Striped" Dr.I from Jasta 2. I spent several days going back and forth on these two. In a true Canadian compromise, I've decided to do both(!) - but first, Baumer's machine. OK, reasearch time. Between the Dr.I Special and Imrie's Triplane book, I have 5 captioned photos of 204/17 from March to May, 1918. Several aspects of the markings change during this time period. Rimell's colour profile of 204/17 (in its May incarnation) appears on page 7 of the Dr.I Special. I have decided to do the May version, but if I may be so bold, this humble observer disagrees with the profile markings on three counts (though I don't have one of the sources listed for this profile, which is Cross & Cockade V.23, No.4 - so I may come away from this analysis looking like an idiot, but what else is new?!). First off, the upper tailplane and fuselage crosses are shown in the profile on fairly dark olive fields. However, checking the photo on page 86 of Imrie's book shows pretty clearly that these fields where washed quite lightly with olive - the contrast with the factory olive streaking is marked. Rimell's profile caption states that the upper tailplane cross was overpainted in olive, but Imrie's pg.86 picture makes me think otherwise. I'd have to say that the white field for the upper tailplane cross (Imrie Pg.38) was just lightly overpainted in olive and no border was left for the converted Balkenkreuz there. 204/17 also had factory-painted Eiserne Kreuz fields on the upper surfaces of the lower wing, but Imrie states on Pg.38 of his book that they were deleted (probably late March, I would guess). I will be painting these lower wing cross fields olive on my model - unless someone out there has more accurate information. Second: Rimell illustrates (and states) that Baumer's black-bordered rudder was overpainted all-white after March 20th. The source for this conclusion might be photo plate 10 on page 6 of the Dr.I special (Halluin-Ost aerodrome, April, 1918), where it is stated that Baumer's 204/17 is the fifth triplane in the line-up. Indeed, the rudder of the fifth plane in the line-up is all-white, but a close inspection of the photo shows that Baumer's triplane is the sixth in the line-up - and the sixth rudder is black bordered. To close the case on this one, Imrie's Pg.86 photo, showing Baumer's triplane in May, clearly indicates that the rudder still has a black border. Finally, the relative widths of Baumer's white and red wing stripes are nicely shown on photo plate 7 of the Special, but seem mis-proportioned on the profile. The decal set I obtained for this plane is from Blue Rider, and I believe they produced their wing stripes based on the profile. I'll be reducing the width of the red stripe on the decal to more closely match the photo. Another point of concern I had was the engine. Imrie's early photo (early March?) of 204/17 on pg.40 of his book shows that it's powered by a captured Le Rhone engine and has a Nieuport propeller. A later (May) photo of the cowling area (Special, photo 7, pg.5) shows that the cowling is now well worn (maintenance & engine changes?). One cylinder is visible, and strikes me as belonging to a standard Oberursel UR II. I'm definately no expert on this, but I've decided not to change the kit engine or Axial propeller; rather assuming that these are what were installed in May. According to his bio in Above The Lines, Paul Baumer broke his jaw on May 29th, 1918 during a crash landing in a Pfalz - and was away from combat flying all summer. Returning to Jasta 2 in September, he presumably started flying a Fok. D.VII and bagged his last 20 kills. So this model, when finished, should represent the last version of his triplane in which he scored four times, twice against Camels, twice against RE8s. Next stop, painting the wings and fuselage. As a last word, if anyone has more accurate information than what I've scraped-up here, or has access to the C&C V.23 No.4 that Rimell refers too, please let me know that I'm about to make some mistakes! Kevin. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 16:47:12 -0400 From: Geoff Smith To: "INTERNET:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: RE: OFF TOPIC: I JUST SAW A ZERO, GUYS Message-ID: <199709251647_MC2-21CA-6377@compuserve.com> Hi all, Patrick mentioned the DB601 in the aeroplane with a prop and black crosse= s from WWII. The one at Duxford, that is. Whether you like 'em or not, this= aircraft is expected to be grounded any time now. Good move by the IWM ? = I don't think so and I don't remember seeing a good reason in print either.= = Three weeks ago I paid a visit to BAe's airfield at Warton, well it's onl= y 1/2 hour away, and visiting were several aircraft from the Empire Test Pilot's School. Something to do with Eurofighter development, I suppose, but while there a Harvard appeared in the circuit. This aircraft WAS in u= se by ETPS and as far as I know is still on charge of the RAF and in wartime= camo/yellow. A couple of years ago I was relaxing in the garden (mowing,digging etc) and on hearing an odd noise, looked up to see a Ju52 passing over about 2000 ft. Turned out to have been based about 20 miles away. I still hear = a DC3/C47 go over about 23:05 ish every night on a mail flight. Unmistakabl= e. Regards, Geoff ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 17:02:13 -0400 (EDT) From: BStett3770@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Journey Into 1/48 Part 3 Message-ID: <970925170036_37162920@emout12.mail.aol.com> Hi Kevin C&C V23/4 - USA or Great Britian (International) ? I have both, I'll pull them out and make you a copy of the sections you need. Let me know, & your snail mail address Barry Rosemont Hobby ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 14:39:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Patrick Padovan To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Journey Into 1/48 Part 3 Message-ID: Kevin: If I were you, I'd do the plane the way I liked, and if anyone says later, "That's not right!" I'd say, "Oh yeah? Prove it." Sounds to me like you have things well in hand. Regards, Patrick ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Patrick Padovan Interlibrary Loan Associate Timberland Regional Library Voice: 360-943-5001 415 Airdustrial Way SW FAX: 360-586-6838 Olympia, WA 98501-5799 e-mail: ppadovan@timberland.lib.wa.us ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 17:39:38 -0400 From: Alberto Rada To: wwi Subject: Re: Hobby Web Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970925173938.00709774@pop.true.net> Hi Jack I can tell you they are really good, although they have very little on WW1 , my fellow modelers that are in other eras, do most of their mail order through them , best prices on the net and very prompt service, the guy in charge is called Po-Shen Lai can truly recomend them SALUDOS ALBERTO At 01:15 PM 18-09-97 -0400, you wrote: >Has anyone ordered from Hobby Web? > >http://www.hobbyweb.com > >They seem to have very good prices on DML kits. I was just curious about >service, etc. > >Best regards, > >Jack > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 15:41:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Patrick Padovan To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Hobby Web Message-ID: Dear Alberto: I've looked at Hobby Web's site, and I'm curious about their service where you tell them the hard-to-find item you are seeking, and they look for it. Have you used this service yourself, or do you know anyone who has? I guess what I want to know is: If they find an item you want, but the price turns out to be steeper than you wish to pay, are you obligated to pay it? Thanks, Regards, Patrick ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Patrick Padovan Interlibrary Loan Associate Timberland Regional Library Voice: 360-943-5001 415 Airdustrial Way SW FAX: 360-586-6838 Olympia, WA 98501-5799 e-mail: ppadovan@timberland.lib.wa.us ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 16:13:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Patrick Padovan To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: LOWDOWN ON THE ZERO: Message-ID: Gents, I just got off the phone with Brian, the owner of the Zero: It IS a replica, and it IS one of those used in "TORA,TORA,TORA," converted from an AT6. However, he said a lot more "conversion" has been done since the movie (He acquired it about 6 months ago, I forgot to ask him who had it before) and many of the actual structural parts of the plane have been replaced with Zero reconstruction parts. It has a Pratt & Whitney engine (Brian said that all the flying Zeros have modern engines, none have the originals) and has exactly the same power/weight ratio as the original. According to him, every panel, scoop, and even the tail wheel are identical to the original plane. So. . . there it is. "Not the real thing, but an incredible simulation." Ciao! Patrick ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Patrick Padovan Interlibrary Loan Associate Timberland Regional Library Voice: 360-943-5001 415 Airdustrial Way SW FAX: 360-586-6838 Olympia, WA 98501-5799 e-mail: ppadovan@timberland.lib.wa.us ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 18:33:20 -0500 From: phoward@abilene.com (Paul Howard) To: Subject: Re: Journey Into 1/48 Part 3 Message-ID: <19970925233322.AAA932@default> Kevin, I see that you too are coming up against the results of incomplete or hasty research by Mr. Rimell. I've had many of those situations, so I generally prefer to do as you have done, and make my own judgments. Looking at the pictures you referenced, the only one I really wouldn't bank on was the call on the engine. The picture in my copy of Imrie's book isn't clear enough to name the manufacturer. Until I could verify with a clearer picture, I would probably go with the info from the first picture showing the French equipment. I'm not saying you're wrong, just that I can't make out the info in my copy. Good Luck, Paul Howard ---------- > From: barrett > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Journey Into 1/48 Part 3 > Date: Thursday, September 25, 1997 3:51 PM > > Hello List, > > Time for another Fok Dr.I installment. > > Last time we left DML kit no.5906, I was yakking-on about small machinegun > parts. Well, the engine went together nicely, and both it and the guns are > now painted. I started each with Aged Metal, washed with Oily Black, and > very lightly dry-brushed with Silver. The fuselage halves are glued, > puttied and sanded. The wings have also been separated from the sprue, mold > lines removed, and the pieces washed and primed. Push has come to shove, > and it's now time to pick a plane to model. > > After much searching and debate (and picking up the Windsock Datafile > Special on the Dr.I), I narrowed my choice down to two machines: Hans > Kirschstein's 586/17 "die Optische Taeuschung," from Jasta 6, and Paul > Baumer's 204/17 "Red/White/Black Striped" Dr.I from Jasta 2. I spent > several days going back and forth on these two. In a true Canadian > compromise, I've decided to do both(!) - but first, Baumer's machine. > > OK, reasearch time. Between the Dr.I Special and Imrie's Triplane book, I > have 5 captioned photos of 204/17 from March to May, 1918. Several aspects > of the markings change during this time period. Rimell's colour profile of > 204/17 (in its May incarnation) appears on page 7 of the Dr.I Special. I > have decided to do the May version, but if I may be so bold, this humble > observer disagrees with the profile markings on three counts (though I > don't have one of the sources listed for this profile, which is Cross & > Cockade V.23, No.4 - so I may come away from this analysis looking like an > idiot, but what else is new?!). > > First off, the upper tailplane and fuselage crosses are shown in the > profile on fairly dark olive fields. However, checking the photo on page 86 > of Imrie's book shows pretty clearly that these fields where washed quite > lightly with olive - the contrast with the factory olive streaking is > marked. Rimell's profile caption states that the upper tailplane cross was > overpainted in olive, but Imrie's pg.86 picture makes me think otherwise. > I'd have to say that the white field for the upper tailplane cross (Imrie > Pg.38) was just lightly overpainted in olive and no border was left for the > converted Balkenkreuz there. 204/17 also had factory-painted Eiserne Kreuz > fields on the upper surfaces of the lower wing, but Imrie states on Pg.38 > of his book that they were deleted (probably late March, I would guess). I > will be painting these lower wing cross fields olive on my model - unless > someone out there has more accurate information. > > Second: Rimell illustrates (and states) that Baumer's black-bordered rudder > was overpainted all-white after March 20th. The source for this conclusion > might be photo plate 10 on page 6 of the Dr.I special (Halluin-Ost > aerodrome, April, 1918), where it is stated that Baumer's 204/17 is the > fifth triplane in the line-up. Indeed, the rudder of the fifth plane in the > line-up is all-white, but a close inspection of the photo shows that > Baumer's triplane is the sixth in the line-up - and the sixth rudder is > black bordered. To close the case on this one, Imrie's Pg.86 photo, showing > Baumer's triplane in May, clearly indicates that the rudder still has a > black border. > > Finally, the relative widths of Baumer's white and red wing stripes are > nicely shown on photo plate 7 of the Special, but seem mis-proportioned on > the profile. The decal set I obtained for this plane is from Blue Rider, > and I believe they produced their wing stripes based on the profile. I'll > be reducing the width of the red stripe on the decal to more closely match > the photo. > > Another point of concern I had was the engine. Imrie's early photo (early > March?) of 204/17 on pg.40 of his book shows that it's powered by a > captured Le Rhone engine and has a Nieuport propeller. A later (May) photo > of the cowling area (Special, photo 7, pg.5) shows that the cowling is now > well worn (maintenance & engine changes?). One cylinder is visible, and > strikes me as belonging to a standard Oberursel UR II. I'm definately no > expert on this, but I've decided not to change the kit engine or Axial > propeller; rather assuming that these are what were installed in May. > > According to his bio in Above The Lines, Paul Baumer broke his jaw on May > 29th, 1918 during a crash landing in a Pfalz - and was away from combat > flying all summer. Returning to Jasta 2 in September, he presumably started > flying a Fok. D.VII and bagged his last 20 kills. So this model, when > finished, should represent the last version of his triplane in which he > scored four times, twice against Camels, twice against RE8s. Next stop, > painting the wings and fuselage. > > As a last word, if anyone has more accurate information than what I've > scraped-up here, or has access to the C&C V.23 No.4 that Rimell refers too, > please let me know that I'm about to make some mistakes! > > Kevin. > ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 687 *********************