WWI Digest 677 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) RE: WWI R/C Models by "Douglas R. Jones" 2) Re: out of the closet by Patrick Padovan 3) Re: Voss' Pfalz D.III (formerly Re: Just spotted) by Patrick Padovan 4) Voss by Bill Bacon 5) Blue Max Camel, First Look by "S.M.Sundberg" 6) Da Boss by "Paul Schwartzkopf" 7) Re: Blue Max Camel, First Look by Carlos Valdes 8) Re: Da Boss by BStett3770@aol.com 9) Back, instead of front by mbittner@juno.com 10) Bob Norgen's email by Joey Valenciano 11) Re: Bob Norgen's email by Carlos Valdes 12) Rudolf Hess. WW1 Fokker Pilot? by Bob Pearson 13) Blue Max Camel Review by Mark K Nelson 14) Re: Blue Max Camel, First Look by Mark K Nelson 15) Re: Voss' Pfalz D.III (formerly Re: Just spotted) by Mark K Nelson 16) Re: Glencoe DH-4 by Mark K Nelson 17) Re: Da Boss by Mark K Nelson 18) Re: Da Boss by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 19) Re: German 1914 pattern LMG by mgoodwin 20) Re: Rudolf Hess. WW1 Fokker Pilot? by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 21) Re: Rudolf Hess. WW1 Fokker Pilot? by Carlos Valdes 22) Re: Bob Norgen's email by Joey Valenciano 23) Re: Rudolf Hess. WW1 Fokker Pilot? by Bob Pearson 24) Reply to justified(?) criticism by Sandy Adam 25) Re: German 1914 pattern LMG by Suvoroff@aol.com 26) Re: out of the closet by GRBroman@aol.com 27) Re: German 1914 pattern LMG by mgoodwin ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 10:08:37 -0500 From: "Douglas R. Jones" To: wwi Subject: RE: WWI R/C Models Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970915100836.00a1fc50@deimos.tx.iex.com> At 08:07 AM 9/15/97 -0400, you wrote: >Thanks Doug. I'm looking for sources in addition to Proctor for >fittings, plans, etc., et al. Can you give me the e-mail address of >Combat Scale Models? Have fun at the Scale Masters. My pleasure! Glad to help when I can. The last address I had for them is: bill_heptig@Email.datacard.com The fellow is Bill Heptig. This is a part time business for him. Look on Al's web page for some pictures of the models in bare bones. I intend on having a ball! Just got to get out of the house and away from SWMBO. This is the trick! Doug -------------------------------------------------- 'I am a traveler of | Douglas R. Jones both Time and Space' | IEX Corporation Led Zeppelin | (214)301-1307 | djones@iex.com -------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 11:00:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Patrick Padovan To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: out of the closet Message-ID: Dear Tim: Count me among the quad-scalers: 1/72, 1/48, 1/24 & 1/32. And in that order, as far as number of models built in a given scale per year. Why impose limitations upon one's self? (Seems to me, the model manufacturers impose enough limits as it is, by not producing ALL a/c types in EVERY scale!) Ciao! Patrick ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Patrick Padovan Interlibrary Loan Associate Timberland Regional Library Voice: 360-943-5001 415 Airdustrial Way SW FAX: 360-586-6838 Olympia, WA 98501-5799 e-mail: ppadovan@timberland.lib.wa.us ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Tue, 9 Sep 1997, Crofoot wrote: > > I just thought that I'd conduct an unofficial and very unscientific survey. > I now openly admit that I have been known to buy and occasionally even > build kits in 1/72 and 1/48 scale. I am curious as to how many members of > the list limit themselves to just one scale and how many, like me, are > biscale? > > Tim in Minnesota > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 11:19:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Patrick Padovan To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Voss' Pfalz D.III (formerly Re: Just spotted) Message-ID: Dear Sandy; Seems to me you have no room at all to critize anyone on this list for "pontificating," as you are the number one, undisputed master of the form. Talk about "the pot calling the kettle black!" Regards, Patrick P.S. Oh, and do be sure to let me know why my opinion is not valid, or if I've misspelled anything, okay? Ciao! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Patrick Padovan Interlibrary Loan Associate Timberland Regional Library Voice: 360-943-5001 415 Airdustrial Way SW FAX: 360-586-6838 Olympia, WA 98501-5799 e-mail: ppadovan@timberland.lib.wa.us ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 14:36:05 -0500 From: Bill Bacon To: ww1 Modelers Subject: Voss Message-ID: <341D8E25.E9BC2DA6@netjava.net> Gentlemen, Gentlemen As all principals of this apparent quibbling match are dead, we are coming dangerously close to, like reinventing the wheel, proving the seemingly impossible fact that there are more horses asses that there are horses. Discussion is the wonderful exchange of information and ideas and is what is so great about this list. Quibbling proves nothing except the referenced adage. I take no sides. What we have on this list is too wonderful to loose. (Soap box off) Cheers, Bill B. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 14:58:00 -0500 From: "S.M.Sundberg" To: wwi Subject: Blue Max Camel, First Look Message-ID: <341D9348.7454@netins.net> 1/48 scale news: Arriving today in the mail, "par avion" from Canterbury was the Blue Max Sopwith Camel. Oh Boy, Oh Boy,Oh Boy,Oh Boy,Oh Boy,Oh Boy,Oh Boy. Molded in the usual Gannon plastic, there are duplicate fuselage sides, top and bottom decking for both F1 and 2F1, upper wings & center sections for both long span and short span wings, and propellers. Undercarriage & wheels, firewall, cockpit interior parts are not duplicated. In white metal are a 9 cyl Clerget with separately molded cylinders and intakes and a cowling. Also in white metal are interior frames, instrument panel, textured seat, 2 Vickers guns, 1 Lewis gun and a gun mount for the Lewis. Contrail strut material is provided for struts and a short section of plastic rod for the pushrods. Decals are for B7270, Roy Brown, April 1918, and for 2F1 N6602, HMS Furious, April 1918. Instructions are one page of exploded views and a small amount of text. Barry said he was mailing my reference material out today, so I don't have 1/48 plans to compare to the kit. To my MK I eyeball, it looks pretty good. I also think with the extra parts and a few from Monogram or SMER, I've got a second Camel out of this kit. Steve Sundberg ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 15:16:25 +0000 From: "Paul Schwartzkopf" To: wwi Subject: Da Boss Message-ID: <199709152012.PAA08708@tscrypt1.transcrypt.com> What would be a typical color for the prop boss & nuts on typical aircraft? For instance, rather than paint a photo-etched brass part, would leaving the brass "as is" be acceptable, or would painting it be the preferred method--black, steel, etc.? No specific aircraft in mind, just general observations. TIA Paul A. Schwartzkopf =================================================================== Development Engineer--Software Transcrypt International, Inc. Telephone: (402) 474-4800 E-Mail: pauls@transcrypt.com =================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 16:13:15 -0400 From: Carlos Valdes To: wwi Subject: Re: Blue Max Camel, First Look Message-ID: <341D96DB.7DFC@conted.gatech.edu> Good to hear this beast is finally out. Speaking of Camels, AeroMaster has a new 1/48 sheet out, its second for this bird, with markings for two machines, one specially colorful with a sunburst design on the tail surfaces and large playing cards on the tops of the lower wings, the other an American crate. The recommenmded kit is the old Monogram offering. Carlos ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 16:38:09 -0400 (EDT) From: BStett3770@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Da Boss Message-ID: <970915163739_-732328663@emout03.mail.aol.com> Hi Paul I blacken mine with HobbyBlack, or A-west Blacken it. They were made of steel. Every time I paint em steel color , the little holes fill with paint. So I go with the blacken look. Keep Modeling Barry Rosemont Hobby ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 18:34:36 -0500 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Back, instead of front Message-ID: <19970915.183436.13774.1.mbittner@juno.com> Well, FWIW, I'm back. It was a joy to be in TN for awhile, but a shame I had to end my trip early due to emergencies. Before I left, I had a chance to take a close look at the Hora MoS Type N. Ken pointed out it looked really close to the Revell kit. Yikes, I thought. So we compared it to the Revell, and although the wing is an almost exact match, everything else appears to be corrected. However, the resin does appear to be based on a corrected Revell kit - at least for the fuselage. All of the other parts appear to be new, especially all of the tail and all of the struts. I'm gone for a week, and it looks like you guys can't handle it, and have to get into a tift about Voss. Gee, do I need to be around so we can argue the advantages of 1/72nd and the disadvantages of Braille Scale? ;-) There, I feel better. :-) I also read some email from another list I'm on that people are using some sort of search engine to get email addresses to spam. I have gotten a boat load of spam, lately, and none of it has been good. No Vikings for this type of spam; although, I think the Vikings could deal with the spammers most effectively... Hence my no longer adding my email address to the bottom of this message. I've been around enough that people here now where to send the reasons why 1/72nd is so great... Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 09:12:22 +0800 From: Joey Valenciano To: wwi Subject: Bob Norgen's email Message-ID: <199709160112.JAA25892@fiesta.philonline.com.ph> Hi all, Looking for Bob Norgen's (Sierra Scale Models) email address. It seems that he's unsubscribed from the list and I have to get in touch with him. Thanks. ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 22:20:43 -0400 From: Carlos Valdes To: wwi Subject: Re: Bob Norgen's email Message-ID: <341DECFB.76C@conted.gatech.edu> Joey, I believe it's smodels@ne.infi.net Carlos ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 20:43:26 -0700 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Rudolf Hess. WW1 Fokker Pilot? Message-ID: <03432686823214@KAIEN.COM> Greetings all, I just saw a moment or two of this evenings A&E biography on the Duke of Windsor (Edward VIII) and during a segment on his meeting Rudolf Hess, it showed a picture of Hess sitting in the cockpit of a Fokker D.VII. Does anyone have any information on this? Thanks Bob Pearson ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 22:07:59 -0700 From: Mark K Nelson To: wwi Subject: Blue Max Camel Review Message-ID: Monday September 15, 1997 NOTE: I have not yet built this yet, so this is simply a commentary on accuracy and contents & features. . . WEASELY NOTE: I don't sell this kit, I just bought it to build. COMIC NOTE: Pleas don't let this become a Canada-Australia "who killed Manfred" Slug-Fest ****************** Blue Max 1/48 Injected Sopwith Camel F1/2F1: After writing off Dragon's Camel, we now finally have a Sopwith Camel Injected in 1/48 scale. Better yet - this kit has parts for either an F1 or a naval 2F1 Camel. The kit's contents include 3 sprues of grey plastic injected parts (mostly 2F1) and 4 sprues of white injected plastic parts (mostly F1), decals, cast (pewter?) metal bits, strut stock, and instructions. The plastic parts include the (4) fuselage halves, upper and lower wings as left and right halves (upper also has a center section), exhaust trough, vertical and horizontal tails, airscrew, wheels, tailskid, landing gear spreader and struts, firewall, fuel tanks, cockpit floor and upper deck; cast metal parts include the seat, instrument panel, Vickers guns, Lewis gun, multi-part Clerget engine, cowling, rudder bar, bellcranks, cockpit side framing, and control stick; decals are for 2 aircraft: Roy Brown's F1 Camel B7270 and N6602 a 2F1 Ship's Camel off the Furious. All of the plastic parts feature some truly fine detail with subtle rib tapes on the wings and tail, and minute stitching and rivets on the fuselage. Some parts show a little bit of the chunky flash so common on Pegasus/Blue Max kits. The fuselage is molded in left and right halves in two styles. The differences are subltle - the grey 2F1 fuselage features the joint where the fuselage can be split for storage. The fuselage features some very nice rivet detail around the metal panelling. Interior details includes the floor, stick, wicker seat, side framing, rudder bar, instrument panel and fuel tanks. The Clerget engine is in 10 parts - a crankcase with 9 cylinders - you are expected to add your own pushrods. The upper wings are molded in three parts in both the F1 and short span 2F1 styles - the rib in the cut-out is shown in the instructions although I couldn't find the part - it might be the 'runner' that some of the small metal bits are hanging off of - the size and shape are right. All cabane and interplane struts must be cut (lengths listed on the instruction sheet - no templates this time) from the strut material provided (4 x cabane, 4 x interplane.) No rigging notes are provided. The instructions an exploded drawing of all the parts - there are no step-by-step instructions, although detailing and colouring notes are provided. Two B&W isometric view are provided on the back of the instructions as a color reference as well as a text description of the plane in question. The 4-color decals are in very good register and include wing roundels with seperate red centers, fin flash, serial for the 2F1, and personal markings, including Brown's Chevron and N6602's white cross hatches. FYI the kit has Brown's plane in PC 10 with roundel red cowling stabilizer, fin and wheel disks. the elevators are white. There are two white bars on the fuselage and there is a red over white chevron on the upper wing. This is admittedly taken from the Windsock article from earlier this year. The kit scales out virtually spot on with 3-views in the datafiles This may be the only Sopwith kit to accurately fair in the horizonal stabilizer too! HITS: Sharp exterior detail, thin trailing edges. Both types of 1/48 camels. MISS: Big $$, me buckos. 21.99 in UKpounds. Wot, no Bentley! Defecient Instructions. Required for ultimate satisfaction: Two so you can do both versions! 1/48 Injected Sopwith Camel:: kit # BM109 ****************** _____________________________________________________________________ Mark (An Employee at Kites & Other Delights in West Edmonton Mall) ------------------------ mnelson@v-wave.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 22:08:49 -0700 From: Mark K Nelson To: wwi Subject: Re: Blue Max Camel, First Look Message-ID: >Good to hear this beast is finally out. > Speaking of Camels, AeroMaster has a new 1/48 sheet out, its second for >this bird, with markings for two machines, one specially colorful with a >sunburst design on the tail surfaces and large playing cards on the tops >of the lower wings, the other an American crate. The recommenmded kit is >the old Monogram offering. > Carlos Perhaps that should read: "WAS the Monogram offering." _____________________________________________________________________ Mark (An Employee at Kites & Other Delights in West Edmonton Mall) ------------------------ mnelson@v-wave.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 22:14:26 -0700 From: Mark K Nelson To: wwi Subject: Re: Voss' Pfalz D.III (formerly Re: Just spotted) Message-ID: >Hi Bill - my previous post was meant as a plea for a cessation of a >general trend in stating categorically that such-and-such was definitely >the case, when so much of it is open to conjecture and interpretation. >Since you are trying to, prove that Voss didn't fly a Pfalz operationally >it is impossible to find photographic evidence of him not doing so! >Thus you will be unable to prove this negative point. Besides "Voss' markings" (sneaky me) are the most boring in the kit. _____________________________________________________________________ Mark (An Employee at Kites & Other Delights in West Edmonton Mall) ------------------------ mnelson@v-wave.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 22:15:58 -0700 From: Mark K Nelson To: wwi Subject: Re: Glencoe DH-4 Message-ID: >I mentioned in another message my visit to Hannants stand at Leuchars Air >Display - where one of the guys told me that the Glencoe 4 was on sale now >in some shop's catalogues in the US at 14.00USD. >Can any of our stateside friends confirm this? If so where? e-mail >address? >TIA >Sandy Hmm, I'd be wondering. I've had a kit on B/O for myself for a few months now. The date my wholesaler gives me for expected delivery is still months away. . . _____________________________________________________________________ Mark (An Employee at Kites & Other Delights in West Edmonton Mall) ------------------------ mnelson@v-wave.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 22:17:17 -0700 From: Mark K Nelson To: wwi Subject: Re: Da Boss Message-ID: >Hi Paul > >I blacken mine with HobbyBlack, or A-west Blacken it. They were made of >steel. >Every time I paint em steel color , the little holes fill with paint. So I go >with the blacken look. > >Keep Modeling >Barry >Rosemont Hobby If you then drybrush with steel it looks awesome. . . _____________________________________________________________________ Mark (An Employee at Kites & Other Delights in West Edmonton Mall) ------------------------ mnelson@v-wave.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 21:38:54 -0700 From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: Da Boss Message-ID: <199709160438.AA05604@ednet1.orednet.org> Paul A. Schwartzkopf wrote: > >What would be a typical color for the prop boss & nuts on typical >aircraft? For instance, rather than paint a photo-etched brass part, >would leaving the brass "as is" be acceptable, or would painting it be >the preferred method--black, steel, etc.? No specific aircraft in >mind, just general observations. TIA I would think a steel-color hub would be the more common. All the color photos I can find of restored aircraft (both German and Western Powers) seem to show an unpainted steel-colored hub. I suppose painted or brass is always possible but the steel seems to be the more prevelent. Cheers, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org "Listen - strange women lying around in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony!" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 21:44:09 -0700 From: mgoodwin To: wwi Subject: Re: German 1914 pattern LMG Message-ID: <341E0E99.12F7@ricochet.net> Suvoroff@aol.com wrote: > > Woodman has drawings of the following; > a. Bergmann 15nA (mostly used as a free gun in '16, but used as fixed gun > on some very early synchronized installations) > b. Parabellum Modell 14, luftgekuhlte (thick and thin barrel case) > (standard German free gun during most of the war but used as an early fixed > synchronized gun) > c. MG 08 (heavy infantry MMG predecessor of e.) > d. MG 08 as a free gun > e. LMG 08/15 (standard German fixed gun for most of the war) > f. Madsen LMG (a true LMG with clip magazine on top of reciever) (captured > from Russians only) > Which one of these is the "1914 pattern LMG" to which you refer? > > Yours, > James D. Gray Mr. Gray, My source for "1914 pattern LMG" is the Pfalz E.I/II plans update article in Windsock Vol. 10 #4 (I am not intending to spark a LMG thread). It looks to be an MG 08 with a Spandau-type air cooling jacket, and perhaps predecessor to the LMG 08/15. I have seen this early MG type represented in illustrations of some Fokker E-types as well. Does the MG 08 free gun have air cooling jacket? Inquisitively, Riordan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 21:45:29 -0700 From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: Rudolf Hess. WW1 Fokker Pilot? Message-ID: <199709160445.AA09021@ednet1.orednet.org> Bob Pearson writes: > >I just saw a moment or two of this evenings A&E biography on the Duke of >Windsor (Edward VIII) and during a segment on his meeting Rudolf Hess, it >showed a picture of Hess sitting in the cockpit of a Fokker D.VII. Does >anyone have any information on this? Leutnant der Reserve Rudolf Hess served with J35b from October, 1918 through the end of the war. I would assume the photo was taken sometime during that period. Cheers, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org "Listen - strange women lying around in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony!" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 00:52:24 -0400 From: Carlos Valdes To: wwi Subject: Re: Rudolf Hess. WW1 Fokker Pilot? Message-ID: <341E1088.3C0@conted.gatech.edu> Bob, Like many others, Hess turned to the air service after being wounded with the infantry. According to The Jasta Pilots, after graduating from Jastaschule II, he joined Jasta 35b on 16 October 1918 and stayed with it until the end of the war. He scored no victories. Carlos ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 13:37:39 +0800 From: Joey Valenciano To: wwi Subject: Re: Bob Norgen's email Message-ID: <199709160537.NAA13569@fiesta.philonline.com.ph> At 10:25 PM 9/15/97 -0400, you wrote: >Joey, > I believe it's smodels@ne.infi.net > Carlos Thanks! ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 22:53:30 -0700 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: Rudolf Hess. WW1 Fokker Pilot? Message-ID: <05533082023490@KAIEN.COM> Carlos & Bill, Many thanks. I guess I really must get myself a copy of the Jasta Pilots . Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 09:22:13 +0100 (BST) From: Sandy Adam To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Reply to justified(?) criticism Message-ID: On Mon, 15 Sep 1997, Patrick Padovan wrote: > Dear Sandy; Seems to me you have no room at all to critize anyone on this > list for "pontificating," as you are the number one, undisputed master of > the form. Talk about "the pot calling the kettle black!" > P.S. Oh, and do be sure to let me know why my opinion is not valid, or if > I've misspelled anything, okay? > Ciao! Wow! "Oh what a gift if God could gie us To see ourselves as ithers see us" Robert Burns For all pontification past and present may I unreservedly apologise. Sandy Also apologies for wasting bandwidth - no more. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 04:50:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Suvoroff@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: German 1914 pattern LMG Message-ID: <970916045026_-1399268912@emout03.mail.aol.com> On page 126, Woodman has drawings of the "IMG 08" with air cooling jacket, both as a fixed and as a free gun. There are also several photographs (alas, none of the Pfalz E type) of this gun including one with a padded butt (not shown in the drawing) in a Fokker D.III. Unfortunately the cooling jacket does not look at all like that of the LMG 08/15 Spandau. Do you need copies? If so, post or E-mail me your snail-mail address at Suvoroff@aol.com. Yours, James D. Gray ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 08:02:09 -0400 (EDT) From: GRBroman@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: out of the closet Message-ID: <970916080209_-597989273@emout01.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 97-09-15 13:58:09 EDT, you write: << Dear Tim: Count me among the quad-scalers: 1/72, 1/48, 1/24 & 1/32. And in that order, as far as number of models built in a given scale per year. Why impose limitations upon one's self? (Seems to me, the model manufacturers impose enough limits as it is, by not producing ALL a/c types in EVERY scale!) >> Hmmm, guess that makes me a sex-scaler ;) 1/76, 172, 1/48, 1/35, 1/32 and 1/28. I do like the sound of that one, eh? Glen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 06:17:54 -0700 From: mgoodwin To: wwi Subject: Re: German 1914 pattern LMG Message-ID: <341E8702.E04@ricochet.net> Suvoroff@aol.com wrote: > > On page 126, Woodman has drawings of the "IMG 08" with air cooling > jacket, both as a fixed and as a free gun. There are also several > photographs (alas, none of the Pfalz E type) of this gun including one with a > padded butt (not shown in the drawing) in a Fokker D.III. Unfortunately the > cooling jacket does not look at all like that of the LMG 08/15 Spandau. > Do you need copies? If so, post or E-mail me your snail-mail address at > Suvoroff@aol.com. > > Yours, > James D. Gray Mr. Gray, I suppose I should have indicated 'Spandau-like' jacket, but the IMG 08 must be the one. How is it different? Yes, copies would be great. Thanks, Riordan Goodwin 3865 Burton Common Fremont, CA 94536 ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 677 *********************