WWI Digest 672 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) rigging by bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 2) Re: out of the closet by NPWE28A@prodigy.com ( KENNETH L HAGERUP) 3) Voss' Pfalz D.III (formerly Re: Just spotted) by Bob Pearson 4) Re: out of the closet- quadra scaled? by "Gerald P. McOsker" 5) Re: out of the closet by "Bill Ciciora" 6) Re: out of the closet by Mick Fauchon 7) Re: Journey Into 1/48 - Part 0 by Mick Fauchon 8) Re: out of the closet by Mick Fauchon 9) Re: out of the closet survey by Mick Fauchon 10) RE: rigging by "Rob " 11) Re: Voss' Pfalz D.III (formerly Re: Just spotted) by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 12) Re: Voss' Pfalz D.III (formerly Re: Just spotted) by "huggins@onramp.net" 13) Re: Voss' Pfalz D.III (formerly Re: Just spotted) by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 14) Re: rigging by Bill Bacon 15) Re: Voss' Pfalz D.III (formerly Re: Just spotted) by "huggins@onramp.net" 16) Re: Voss' Pfalz D.III (formerly Re: Just spotted) by Bob Pearson 17) Photo by BStett3770@aol.com 18) Re: out of the closet survey by Sandy Adam 19) Re: out of the closet by Sandy Adam 20) Re: Voss' Pfalz D.III (formerly Re: Just spotted) by Sandy Adam 21) Re: Voss' Pfalz D.III (formerly Re: Just spotted) by Sandy Adam 22) Large Scale Display Models by "Denest, Michael J" 23) Re: out of the closet by "ROGER BELANGER" 24) Re: rigging by "ROGER BELANGER" 25) Re: Large Scale Display Models by TPTPUMPER@aol.com 26) Re: Voss' Pfalz D.III (formerly Re: Just spotted) by Carlos Valdes 27) Re: Large Scale Display Models by Carlos Valdes 28) Re: Large Scale Display Models by Don RInker ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 19:00:21 -0400 From: bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: rigging Message-ID: <199709102300.TAA22185@pease1.sr.unh.edu> I've just about finished my first attempt at rigging using ceramic wire. In the past I've always used a drill and thread. The holes were big and the thread seemed to get "hairy" after being on the model for awhile; hence the switch. There used to be a couple of guys on this list who used ceramic wire. It's cheap, looks good, and doesn't bend, etc. I tried thin wire, but it kept bending and wasn't very user friendly to these clumsy hands. The ceramic wire is hard to measure, but looks great. The address is on the web page, I think. Oh yeah, I tried stretching sprue once....took me 3 hours to get one 5 inch strand. End of stertched sprue experiment. Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 18:52:15, -0500 From: NPWE28A@prodigy.com ( KENNETH L HAGERUP) To: wwi Subject: Re: out of the closet Message-ID: <199709102252.SAA12886@mime4.prodigy.com> -- [ From: Kenneth Hagerup * EMC.Ver #2.5.3 ] -- Airplanes: 1/72 (and few 1/32) Armor: 1/76, 1/72, 1/35 Ships: 1/700, 1/350, (a few 1/96, and a 1/72 U-boat) Space: 1/144 for launch vehicles, 1/48 for capsules Ken -- npwe28a@prodigy.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 16:39:11 -0700 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Voss' Pfalz D.III (formerly Re: Just spotted) Message-ID: <23391157912000@KAIEN.COM> Carlos Valdes wrote >, one from Jasta 10 with yellow nose and struts (and > probably wheel covers also, although I don't remember), green tail unit, > and two black bands around the fuselage, one each ahead of and behind > the cross. Both machines appear in the Windsock JGI Special, and one of > the Aeromaser sheets has decals for the former. > Now of course, we seem to have a problem here. Voss was with Jasta 10, > so presumably the yellow-nosed crate is his. However, this machine has > always been ID'd as Vzfw. Hecht's, which was captured on December 27, > 1917. So it appears that Eduard may have erred again as it did on its > first Pfalz release, which included Berthold's D.IIIa, not D.III, > markings. OTOH, it could be that I missed some details of the box top > artwork that would differentiate Hecht's machine from Voss'. Does anyone > out there have any info on this a/c? > Carlos For years this same machine (1370/17) has been identified as belonging to both Voss and Hecht. Windsock 6/3 brings forth documentation to show that it was flown by Hecht in the markings as described above. But earlier information somehow ascribed it to Voss with either yellow or black bands, with or without a white band behind the fuselage cross. Dan Abbott's research from either 1974 or 1979 would have us believe that it was in these yellow markings, but no references are given to support this. I would tend to think that the yellow stripes are a mistaken guess as to the colour of the bars as shown by orthochromatic film. Or else Voss did fly it with yellow stripes, which were then repainted black (as well as the tail colour added) in the next three or four months by Hecht. Aces and Aeroplanes No.1: Werner Voss by Dennis Hylands says that Voss only flew the Pfalz four times (no mention of serial). In any case only three Pfalz D.IIIs were at the front on August 31, while Voss was flying Fokker F.I 103/17 by August 28. Regards Bob Pearson ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 19:58:15 -0400 From: "Gerald P. McOsker" To: wwi Subject: Re: out of the closet- quadra scaled? Message-ID: Now that you bring it up- >biscale? no - there is more than 1/72 and 1/48- there are the Hobbycraft >kits in 1:32, the Revells in 1:28, various 1:144 [ The Blue Rider SSW R >Plane-] the 1/8 Hasegawa items [that are too expensive to even consider >building] There are also 1:35 armor and various warships- WHy not? CHeese Gerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 20:27:25 -0500 From: "Bill Ciciora" To: Subject: Re: out of the closet Message-ID: Tim asks: > I am curious as to how many members of the list limit themselves > to just one scale and how many, like me, are biscale? I admit to being monoscale, 1/48. I like the detail, I like the size for these old eyes and hands. Currently have twelve completed WWI models in this scale, with a huge one (DH-10A) on the bench. Bill C. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 11:59:44 +1000 (EST) From: Mick Fauchon To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: out of the closet Message-ID: Carlos, > I'm multiscale (1/144, 1/72, 1/48, 1/32, 1/28), Ah! A man after my own heart! 80) But delete 1/144 and 1/72. But I guess you all know this by now 80) No, this is not another shot in the Scale Wars....I hope ;o) but with an emphasis on > 1/48, the IDEAL scale for WWI a/c ;-). Now, what can I say?......... If you want a challenge, try the Tom's 1/32 Pfalz DIII/IIIa. Cheers, Mick. -- -- Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM M M M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M M M M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M M M MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 12:03:38 +1000 (EST) From: Mick Fauchon To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Journey Into 1/48 - Part 0 Message-ID: Bill, > Wasn't the bottom of the seat (where the ass goes) made of _plywood_ > on the Dr.I?? If you'll pardon the pun, one would hope the "bottom" were padded! 80) Cheers, Mick. -- -- Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM M M M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M M M M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M M M MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 12:26:28 +1000 (EST) From: Mick Fauchon To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: out of the closet Message-ID: Jure, > Um ... is it bad to be mono-scale? :) > Heavens, no!! In fact, it's quite orthodox........though, of course, heresies abound 80) I think we've called this one before 80) Cheers, Mick. PS, Let's not be too hard on Jure, fellas.....I suspect this might be his baptism of "fire" heh-heh 80) -- -- Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM M M M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M M M M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M M M MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 12:33:57 +1000 (EST) From: Mick Fauchon To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: out of the closet survey Message-ID: Bob, > > I gues we're just plane nutty.... > > > Hey! I think I resemble that remark!! I also resemble that allegation.......and I resent the alligator!!80) Mick. -- -- Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM M M M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M M M M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M M M MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 21:38:14 +0000 From: "Rob " To: wwi Subject: RE: rigging Message-ID: <199709110345.XAA28868@mcfeely.concentric.net> I use the invisible thread in the "smoke" color for most smaller models. A few years back, FineScale Modeler covered a method that I have used with success since. basically you drill through the surface of the wings, run the thread through, weight it with springloaded clothes pins, and superglue it in place. No heat, no nothing. Just gravity and glue. It helps if you rough up the end of the thread with sandpaper before gluing. For larger models with RAF-wires, I grind down the thinnest piano wire I can find using a sanding drum and a motor tool. You clamp the wire to a board and go (be careful, sometimes the board catches fire). This is really easy to use, because the steel just springs into place. Makes a hell of a noise, though, and an unpleasant hot-steel stink. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 20:58:23 -0700 From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: Voss' Pfalz D.III (formerly Re: Just spotted) Message-ID: <199709110358.AA25826@ednet1.orednet.org> Bob Pearson writes: -much good and cogent stuff snipped- >Aces and Aeroplanes No.1: Werner Voss by Dennis Hylands says that Voss only >flew the Pfalz four times (no mention of serial). In any case only three >Pfalz D.IIIs were at the front on August 31, while Voss was flying Fokker >F.I 103/17 by August 28. Certainly there must have been more than _three_ Pfalz D.III at the front on August 31? The type was in active front-line service until the summer of '18 and at least two Pflaz's accompanied Voss on his last flight on September 23, '17. Cheers, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org "Listen - strange women lying around in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony!" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 23:02:51 -0500 From: "huggins@onramp.net" To: wwi Subject: Re: Voss' Pfalz D.III (formerly Re: Just spotted) Message-ID: >Carlos Valdes wrote > >>, one from Jasta 10 with yellow nose and struts (and >> probably wheel covers also, although I don't remember), green tail unit, >> and two black bands around the fuselage, one each ahead of and behind >> the cross. Both machines appear in the Windsock JGI Special, and one of >> the Aeromaser sheets has decals for the former. >> Now of course, we seem to have a problem here. Voss was with Jasta 10, >> so presumably the yellow-nosed crate is his. However, this machine has >> always been ID'd as Vzfw. Hecht's, which was captured on December 27, >> 1917. So it appears that Eduard may have erred again as it did on its >> first Pfalz release, which included Berthold's D.IIIa, not D.III, >> markings. OTOH, it could be that I missed some details of the box top >> artwork that would differentiate Hecht's machine from Voss'. Does anyone >> out there have any info on this a/c? >> Carlos > >For years this same machine (1370/17) has been identified as belonging to >both Voss and Hecht. Windsock 6/3 brings forth documentation to show that it >was flown by Hecht in the markings as described above. But earlier >information somehow ascribed it to Voss with either yellow or black bands, >with or without a white band behind the fuselage cross. Dan Abbott's >research from either 1974 or 1979 would have us believe that it was in these >yellow markings, but no references are given to support this. > >From the kit instruction sheet: The first set of markings are for 1370/17flown by Flying Officer Werner Voss, leader of Jasta 10 in Sept 1917. The airplane is overall Silver/White with only the nose back to the first panel line painted Yellow. There are 2 black stripes around the fuselage on either side of the cross with the serial number behind the afr stripe and a Black stripe on the left upper wing running fore to aft. The second scheme is for Vztw Hect in Dec. of the same year. The markings have changed as follows. The Nose back to the panel line that runs from the fwd. gear strut up to the engine fairing and the fairing are Yellow. The gear, wing struts wheel covers and spreader bar/wing are also yellow. The entire tail is Dark Green with a white outlined cross. The 2 Black fuselage bands and serial number remain the same as well as the wing stripe. The remainder of the aircraft is Silver/White overall. The third set of markings are for an aircraft assigned to Jasta 11 in the Autumn os 1917. Again, the aircraft is overall Silver/White. The nose from the fwd edge of the cockpit, all struts, wheel covers and spreader bar are Red. The entire tail is White with a wide Black band around the fuselage infront of the tail. John Disclaimer: Any errors in spelling, tact, or fact are transmission errors. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 21:59:11 -0700 From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: Voss' Pfalz D.III (formerly Re: Just spotted) Message-ID: <199709110459.AA20657@ednet1.orednet.org> John writes: > The first set of markings are for 1370/17flown by Flying Officer Werner >Voss, leader of Jasta 10 in Sept 1917. I'm sorry, but this is just incorrect. Voss took over Dr.I 103/17 on August 28, 1917 and, so far as I can determine, never flew a Pfalz operationally during September. Certainly, his credited victories on 9/3, 9/5 (2), 9/6, 9/10 (3), 9/11 (2), and 9/23 were all scored while flying 103/17. And, technically, Voss's rank should be rendered as Leutnant. While Flying Officer may be the RAF equivilent of Leutnant, (I dunno, is it??) Voss was many months dead before there even was an RAF, much less the rank of "Flying Officer" - which I think was a post-war RAF creation. Cheers, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org "Listen - strange women lying around in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony!" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 00:17:59 -0500 From: Bill Bacon To: wwi Subject: Re: rigging Message-ID: <34177F07.A1CF2F26@netjava.net> I have used the method used by Rob with one change. Streach some sprue cur it so the tapered end will fit through the hole. Dip in liquid glue anmd insert from the taught side of the thread. After theglue has set, break off the side of the taught thread and trim sprue and thread with your trusty #11 blade. This can be done with a continuous length of thread if you plan well. always insert the sprue through the lower surface of the upper wing and the upper surface of the lower wing. Doing this keeps the #11 blade away from the thread you want to keep and if you break off the sprue as you go along, things are a clear as possible. Plan how you will do it and take off. The A/C will look wierd wit sprue sticing out of the wings and loops of thread. Cut them off with the #11 blade touch up and you are done. I do my wing decals after completing the rigging and after touch up of the painted finish. Try it, it works. Although it has been years since I have built a model (soon to be corrected), I build 1/72, 1/48, 1/32 and 1/28. Mostly 1/72 for marking and paint scheme but I have the new 1/48's and things may change. Cheers, Bill B. Rob wrote: > I use the invisible thread in the "smoke" color for most smaller > models. A few years back, FineScale Modeler covered a method that I > have used with > success since. basically you drill through the surface of the wings, > run the thread through, weight it with springloaded clothes pins, and > superglue it in place. No heat, no nothing. Just gravity and glue. > It helps if you rough up the end of the thread with sandpaper > before gluing. > > For larger models with RAF-wires, I grind down the thinnest piano > wire I can find using a sanding drum and a motor tool. You clamp the > wire to a board and go (be careful, sometimes the board catches > fire). This is really easy to use, because the steel just springs > into place. Makes a hell of a > noise, though, and an unpleasant hot-steel stink. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 00:16:22 -0500 From: "huggins@onramp.net" To: wwi Subject: Re: Voss' Pfalz D.III (formerly Re: Just spotted) Message-ID: >John writes: > >> The first set of markings are for 1370/17flown by Flying Officer Werner >>Voss, leader of Jasta 10 in Sept 1917. > >I'm sorry, but this is just incorrect. Voss took over Dr.I 103/17 >on August 28, 1917 and, so far as I can determine, never flew a >Pfalz operationally during September. Certainly, his credited victories >on 9/3, 9/5 (2), 9/6, 9/10 (3), 9/11 (2), and 9/23 were all scored >while flying 103/17. > >And, technically, Voss's rank should be rendered as Leutnant. While >Flying Officer may be the RAF equivilent of Leutnant, (I dunno, is >it??) Voss was many months dead before there even was an RAF, much less >the rank of "Flying Officer" - which I think was a post-war RAF >creation. > Right or wrong, It is what is listed on the instruction sheet of the new kit from Eduard. Just passing on some info that was requested the other night. John Disclaimer: Any errors in spelling, tact, or fact are transmission errors. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 22:25:47 -0700 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: Voss' Pfalz D.III (formerly Re: Just spotted) Message-ID: <05254748212756@KAIEN.COM> Bill Shatzer wrote; > Bob Pearson writes > > >Aces and Aeroplanes No.1: Werner Voss by Dennis Hylands says that Voss only > >flew the Pfalz four times (no mention of serial). In any case only three > >Pfalz D.IIIs were at the front on August 31, while Voss was flying Fokker > >F.I 103/17 by August 28. > > Certainly there must have been more than _three_ Pfalz D.III at the > front on August 31? The type was in active front-line service until > the summer of '18 and at least two Pfalz's accompanied Voss on > his last flight on September 23, '17. > I meant that there were only three of the new Pfalz D.IIIs at the front on 31 August 1917, by 31 October 1917 there were 145. But the inference was that by the time they arrived in any number, Voss was using F.I 103/17. The above is taken from the Datafile tables showing D.IIIs on active service. Regards Bob Pearson ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 02:24:55 -0400 (EDT) From: BStett3770@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Photo Message-ID: <970910164305_1321768765@emout19.mail.aol.com> Hi Gang Just wanted to let you guys know that I added something new to my web site. A Photo of the month. Each month I'll be putting a new WWI photo up for all to view. These will be new unpub. photos from my collection. Check it out at : www.swiftsite.com/rosemonthobby Keep Modeling Barry Rosemont Hobby ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 09:28:48 +0100 (BST) From: Sandy Adam To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: out of the closet survey Message-ID: Uniscalar and proud of it - 1/48 of course. I have to say I admire those beatiful little 1/72 gems I see at shows but to me they are just too small to get all the right detail into - unless you are superhuman. Latest project is continuing with Waldo Sopwith Dolphin, which of ourse I was going to throw together but now I've got the Reheat instruments and bezels, pin-head switches, Tom's cockpit accoutrements all in place and its going superdetail (out of my control!!). The Dolphin has such a fantastic cluttered cockpit, and so visible, that I think 1/48 is ideal to work on and display this sort of stuff. Also perfect size to sit on a glass cabinet shelf. However (whisper, whisper) I did recently pick up an Airfix 0/400 at a swapmeet and would never contemplate this in 1/48 - so maybe I'll add some G-types etc in 1/72 (next century) Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 09:33:25 +0100 (BST) From: Sandy Adam To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: out of the closet Message-ID: On Wed, 10 Sep 1997 TPTPUMPER@aol.com wrote: > Hi Guys! > > While I have no use for 1/144, I am a "scale slut" and will build anything > from 1/72 to 1/24. I'm really bad, in that my HO RR client wants me to > build him the 1/8 SE5a kit--I'll do it. (Does anyone have a "spare" SE5a kit > sitting around gathering dust? My client would like to have it. Please let > me know.) > Yeh, I'm pretty sure (without checking) that Ray Rimmell is still trying to sell the SE he started building way back when. Try him at Albatros. Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 09:44:05 +0100 (BST) From: Sandy Adam To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Voss' Pfalz D.III (formerly Re: Just spotted) Message-ID: I've got this one too and the attraction for me of yet another bloody German aeroplane is to model it after capture with the serials and Jasta markings in place, but with big colourful roundels and tail stripes. This should raise a few eyebrows! Bet if I were to enter it for a competition the judges would apply their infinite knowledge and disqualify it! (The above is best intentions of course - it will probably never get built!) Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 12:27:41 +0100 (BST) From: Sandy Adam To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Voss' Pfalz D.III (formerly Re: Just spotted) Message-ID: On Thu, 11 Sep 1997, Bill Shatzer wrote: > > The first set of markings are for 1370/17flown by Flying Officer Werner > >Voss, leader of Jasta 10 in Sept 1917. > > I'm sorry, but this is just incorrect. Voss took over Dr.I 103/17 > on August 28, 1917 and, so far as I can determine, never flew a > Pfalz operationally during September. Certainly, his credited victories > on 9/3, 9/5 (2), 9/6, 9/10 (3), 9/11 (2), and 9/23 were all scored > while flying 103/17. > > And, technically, Voss's rank should be rendered as Leutnant. While > Flying Officer may be the RAF equivilent of Leutnant, (I dunno, is > it??) Voss was many months dead before there even was an RAF, much less > the rank of "Flying Officer" Dear Bill - if there is a nit to be picked we can surely rely on you to pick it! How can you know with such authority that Werner Voss never flew a Pfalz D-III operationally? Maybe he did, maybe he didn't. What we can be sure of is that he would have tried one out. There is a well documented photo of the three Voss brother, taken hours before Werner died, standing in front of a Jasta 10 Pfalz - so we know he had access to one. He was obsessed with things mechanical: he tinkered for hours with his Triplane, he loved his motorbike, he evidently flew kites - he would fly anything he could get his hands on. I lay you a pound to a penny that as soon as the first Pfalzes appeared on the airfield he would have one up to try it. The Eduard kit makes no claims that he flew Pfalzes operationally - it states: "Pfalz D-III 1370/17, September 1917, pilot flying officer Werner Voss" The colours are pretty basic with standard Jasta 10 yellow nose and a few black bands - it looks pretty obvious to me that this machine had not been personalised by any individual pilot at the time Voss might have tried it and was later painted yellow and green for Hecht. Eduard's marketing as Voss' personal machine is misleading but I can accept that this machine is likely to be one that he flew - if perhaps only once. Oh and don't try and jump on me about Eduard's mangled mis-translation of Leutnant into Czech, English and French - I do know equivalent ranks in the RAF and think it about as useful here as a fart in a bottle. John was only telling you the mistakes that Eduard had propagated (geddit?). You are a lovely chap but you must stop pontificating. Sandy PS - I am sure you will know better than me, but is your use of Dr.1 for Voss' Triplane correct? I would have called it an F.I - but I really won't lose any sleep over it - you don't need to let me know which is right. I merely mention it since you always correct the slightest slip in others, I am sure you would wish to be corrected in turn. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 09:18:57 -0400 From: "Denest, Michael J" To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: Large Scale Display Models Message-ID: I recall that a kit manufacturer (Hasagawa?) sold some large scale very detailed kits I think in the $400 price range. I would like to know if they did an SE5a. Can anyone shed some light? TIA Mike Denest Rapid Prototyping Center Building 3-29 M/S P38-01 Boeing ISDS Rotorcraft PO Box 16858 Philadelphia, PA 19142 Phone 1-610-591-4681 Fax 1-610-591-4444 e-mail to: michael.denest@PHL.boeing.com > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 10:07:01 -0400 From: "ROGER BELANGER" To: Subject: Re: out of the closet Message-ID: <199709111406.KAA24815@ime.net> I build in any scale that appeals to me , I like to keep all of the models in a scale to gather ERoger Belanger ---------- > From: Bill Ciciora > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: out of the closet > Date: Wednesday, September 10, 1997 9:33 PM > > Tim asks: > > > I am curious as to how many members of the list limit themselves > > to just one scale and how many, like me, are biscale? > > I admit to being monoscale, 1/48. I like the detail, I like the size for > these old eyes and hands. Currently have twelve completed WWI models in > this scale, with a huge one (DH-10A) on the bench. > > > Bill C. > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 10:10:52 -0400 From: "ROGER BELANGER" To: Subject: Re: rigging Message-ID: <199709111410.KAA25300@ime.net> I too use ceramic and like , I could never stretch spru to my satisfaction. You can get it at that place in Springfield VT> Roger Belanger ---------- > From: Mary-Ann/Michael > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: rigging > Date: Wednesday, September 10, 1997 7:01 PM > > I've just about finished my first attempt at rigging using ceramic > wire. In the past I've always used a drill and thread. The holes were big > and the thread seemed to get "hairy" after being on the model for awhile; > hence the switch. There used to be a couple of guys on this list who used > ceramic wire. It's cheap, looks good, and doesn't bend, etc. I tried thin > wire, but it kept bending and wasn't very user friendly to these clumsy > hands. The ceramic wire is hard to measure, but looks great. The address is > on the web page, I think. Oh yeah, I tried stretching sprue once....took me > 3 hours to get one 5 inch strand. End of stertched sprue experiment. > Mike Muth > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 10:25:14 -0400 (EDT) From: TPTPUMPER@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Large Scale Display Models Message-ID: <970911102227_1493534117@emout08.mail.aol.com> Hi Mike and gang! Yessir, Hasegawa released several kits in 1/8 scale several years back. They were the Fokker Dr.I, Sopwith Camel, and SE5a. These were like the Eduard "strip down" kits, but way big more detailed! The kits currently available are the Dr.I and Camel, and they are in the $700 range--I think Squadron offers the Camel at $649 on sale from time to time. I know of your interest in the SE5a. If you should find 2 kits available, kindly let me know. My HO RR client wants one. I'll do the same for you. Have Fun!! IRA ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 21:31:45 -0400 From: Carlos Valdes To: wwi Subject: Re: Voss' Pfalz D.III (formerly Re: Just spotted) Message-ID: <33FF8F01.2894@conted.gatech.edu> John, If you hapen to have the first Pfalz release as well as the latest one, can you tell us if any changes have been made in the kit itself? I'm thinking of the three Albatros D.V releases, all the same kit but with small detail (resin, PE) differences. Carlos ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 21:46:46 -0400 From: Carlos Valdes To: wwi Subject: Re: Large Scale Display Models Message-ID: <33FF9286.164F@conted.gatech.edu> > I recall that a kit manufacturer (Hasagawa?) sold some large scale very > detailed kits I think in the $400 price range. I would like to know if > they did an SE5a. Can anyone shed some light? TIA Mike, Yes, Hasegawa produced 1/8 models of the Camel, Dr.I, and SE5a, but they cost more than $400 (at least in the States)! However, the SE is not listed in the 1996 Hasegawa catalog (the latest one I have); it is also not included in the Hasegawa section at HobbyLink Japan's web page: http://iac.co.jp/~hlj/pages/hasegawa/hsgairpro.html#ZX Series (1/8 WWI Musuem Quality) Carlos ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 10:46:42 -0400 From: Don RInker To: wwi Subject: Re: Large Scale Display Models Message-ID: <34180452.6D52@fast.net> TPTPUMPER@aol.com wrote: > > Hi Mike and gang! > > Yessir, Hasegawa released several kits in 1/8 scale several years back. > They were the Fokker Dr.I, Sopwith Camel, and SE5a. These were like the > Eduard "strip down" kits, but way big more detailed! The kits currently > available are the Dr.I and Camel, and they are in the $700 range--I think > Squadron offers the Camel at $649 on sale from time to time. I know of your > interest in the SE5a. If you should find 2 kits available, kindly let me > know. My HO RR client wants one. I'll do the same for you. > > Have Fun!! > > IRA My 1 1/2 cents... The SE-5a kit was the first one of the series done by Hasegawa. It's the weakest and least desireable of the three. The entire tileplane and much of the wings (outboard) would have to be replaced to get a decent looking model. The fuselage and metal and plastic parts are very well done, but the entire tailplane and the wingtips are done in a style that looks like an old fashioned Guillows rubber band model. Extremely thick flat pieces of balsa at all the perimeters , made up od segmented pieces to boot. This may have been redone on later releases of the SE-5, but every one I ever saw built or in a box looks as I described above. ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 672 *********************