WWI Digest 662 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) RE: Princess Diana death by David Solosy 2) RE: Jasta 5 by David Solosy 3) Re: Jasta 5 by TPTPUMPER@aol.com 4) Four Years of Thunder Video # by kevinkim@interlog.com (barrett) 5) Harleyford Books-A Source by Graham Nash 6) Re: Methuen Colours by DavidL1217@aol.com 7) Re: Jasta 5 by Bob Pearson 8) Re: Jasta 5 by Carlos Valdes 9) Re: Four Years of Thunder Video # by Carlos Valdes 10) Goodbye by Shane Weier 11) RE: plea for help by "TIM" 12) Re: Goodbye by Carlos Valdes 13) RE: Goodbye by David Randall 14) Re: Goodbye by Bill Bacon 15) Re: Princess Diana death by B-A-L 16) Re: plea for help by B-A-L 17) The Last Post by Shane Weier 18) Re: Jasta 5 by TPTPUMPER@aol.com 19) Re: Jasta 5 by Carlos Valdes ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 19:23:31 +0800 From: David Solosy To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Princess Diana death Message-ID: <01BCB70C.990A2240@user17.argo.net.au> ------ =_NextPart_000_01BCB70C.990A2240 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thank you Alexandre for your kind thoughts. Certainly is big news here = in Australia. The TV has nothing else showing. Lots of emotion is being = poured out by people of all ages, especially teenage women who saw her = as a role model. I'm not convinced that the paparazzi will learn much. As long as the = public buys the magazines and papers with the photos they will continue = to hunt down the stars and celebrities. It truly is the price of fame. = Tragic. David S=20 -----Original Message----- From: Alexandre [SMTP:atcampos@nutecnet.com.br] Sent: Monday, September 01, 1997 7:33 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: OT: Princess Diana death Hi all (specially our British and Commonwealth fellows), My deepest condolences for this unbelievable death. She was a light in the dark, with her aid, charities and sympathy. My pray will go to her children who will have to grow up earlier without a mother. She was special for us here in Brazil....We used to see her journeys (sometimes a dangerous one) around the world....This tragedy remember = our lost in 1994 (Ayrton Senna) who was an example of honesty and good will. I'm sure that the dark side of the media will learn this hard = lesson.... =20 Let her rest in peace.....Peace for UK and our countries as well. 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Most of these are D.Vs and the rest are D.IIIs. Aeromasters = sheet # 48-181 features Konnekke's machine and von Hipple's other famous = machine with the fire breathing red dragon. Propagteam has a decal sheet = (#48101) which has markings for the D.V based at Boistracourt as = illustrated on the back cover of the Squad/Signal book.=20 The only way one can get Americal Gryphon is by mail order (to the best = of my knowledge). As for the green, I think it was a medium green, probably similar to = FS14092 (Xtra color #X114). However, that opinion is based on nothing = more than what I would like it to be. I don't think anybody really knows = what shade it was. Cheers and HTH David S -----Original Message----- From: Suvoroff@aol.com [SMTP:Suvoroff@aol.com] Sent: Monday, September 01, 1997 6:21 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Jasta 5 Hello, I was wondering if one of you guys could help me. I am = working on the Eduard Albatros D.V and I am thinking well in advance of what I = will need to finish it. Specifically, decals. I really like the Jasta 5 = green and red tails, but there are far too many "blitzes" out there. Are = there decals available for other Jasta 5 aircraft? =20 Also, the green of the tail is interpreted as a dull camouflage = green by Eduard, but I have seen a wide variety of other interpretations, mostly = of a brighter green. Any thoughts on this? Yours, James D. Gray "What bell tolls for those who die as cattle? 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FWIW, I have the original issue 1/72 Jasta 5 sheet from Americal/Gryphon. This set is worth the price for the accompanying book alone. A/G doesn't specify the source for the green color shown for the tail surfaces, but gives a color "dot" to match (as well as dots for the red outline/spinner color and the fuselage grey) I matched the green and red with Floquil RR colors, "Southern Green" and "ATSF Red". You will obviously want to match these to colors of the paint brand you prefer, but this should be a start. A/G decals are available by direct mail order only. If needed, I can supply their address, but it's in every FSM. Have Fun!! IRA Campbell ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 08:13:45 -0500 From: kevinkim@interlog.com (barrett) To: wwi Subject: Four Years of Thunder Video # Message-ID: To the list: Some months ago, someone posted a phone number for ordering the Four Years of Thunder video set. I believe it was an A&E video, or perhaps PBS. In any event, could that be reposted - I would like to order, but have accidently ditched the number. Thanks in advance, Kevin Barrett ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Sep 1997 14:08:01 -0700 From: Graham Nash To: wwi Subject: Harleyford Books-A Source Message-ID: <199709011244.AA08682@egate2.citicorp.com> The Aviation Bookshop on 44 171 272 3630 currently has a few 1914-1918 Harleyfords for those who are trying to complete their collections. Currently in stock were von Richtofen and the Flying Circus * 1 Fighter Aircraft * 1 Air Aces * 2 Fokker, The Man & His Aircraft * 1 None are particularly cheap IMO, but please feel free to make up your own minds. There were also a couple of the Blandford 14-18 Fighter books if you remember those. Happy hunting ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 11:02:20 -0400 (EDT) From: DavidL1217@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Methuen Colours Message-ID: <970901110205_1919169756@emout06.mail.aol.com> I have downloaded the colour charts. Thanks to everyone involved. Now what type of software do I need to open this? Thanks in advance. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 11:54:01 -0700 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: Jasta 5 Message-ID: <18540105524191@KAIEN.COM> James, If you can wait, there will be a Windsock Fabric Special on Jasta 5 out sometime in the future - it was announced in the 13/2 issue. Bob Pearson ---------- > From: Suvoroff@aol.com > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Jasta 5 > Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 06:19:57 -0400 > > Hello, I was wondering if one of you guys could help me. I am working > on the Eduard Albatros D.V and I am thinking well in advance of what I will > need to finish it. Specifically, decals. I really like the Jasta 5 green > and red tails, but there are far too many "blitzes" out there. Are there > decals available for other Jasta 5 aircraft? > Also, the green of the tail is interpreted as a dull camouflage green by > Eduard, but I have seen a wide variety of other interpretations, mostly of a > brighter green. Any thoughts on this? > > Yours, > James D. Gray > > "What bell tolls for those who die as cattle? > Only the monstrous anger of the guns." ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 14:57:16 -0400 From: Carlos Valdes To: wwi Subject: Re: Jasta 5 Message-ID: <33F5F80C.1CE3@conted.gatech.edu> I believe the next(?) fabric special from Albatros Pubs. will be on Jasta 5, so there should be plenty of profiles and color info coming our way about this very color- ful and successful unit soon. I too gave A/G's Jasta 5 sheets, and while I wish more color details were included (and the decals themselves were a bit less "ragged"), I do highly recommend them. Carlos ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 15:04:03 -0400 From: Carlos Valdes To: wwi Subject: Re: Four Years of Thunder Video # Message-ID: <33F5F9A3.6C55@conted.gatech.edu> Kevin, Here's the #: 1-800-625-9000. The set info is Price: $59.95 Catalog #AAE-60063. Carlos ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 08:06:05 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi'" Subject: Goodbye Message-ID: Hi folks, Sadly, I am about to unsubscribe from the ww1 list after two and a half years of constant membership. The volume of mail has become too much for this company owned account, and as one of those charged with its maintenance I can no longer in conscience continue to use it. Personal issues currently prevent my affording a private account, so I must instead wish you all the best, thank you for your time, good humour and endless assistance, and say goodbye Shane (PS - I may pop in for a day every month or so to help keep Matt in line ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 15:36:29 +0000 From: "TIM" To: wwi Subject: RE: plea for help Message-ID: <199709012239.SAA19159@pease1.sr.unh.edu> Hello, Thanks for all the great input after reading and digesting it for a while this is what i did. I sanded all of the molded in tubing and stuff off in the fuselage and used white glue to install a finely wolven cloth commonly used by model shipbuilders for sails to the inside. I then washed it with a brownish grey thinned wash and let dry this was just to take the pristine white away and make it appear more natural. I then installed to wood veneer strips cut in the shape of the two wooden fillets on the DR1. I then sprayed testors dullcoat into a lid and liberaly brushed it over the entire interior cloth and wood and all, this gave it a semi satin finish which iI hope reproduces the look of vanish and dope applied to linen. I then began the ardous work( read that labor of love) of installing and fabricating the tubing BTW I am going to paint black be it right or wrong (which seems to be anybodys guess) only because i seriously doubt it would have been left untreated and bare in the environment that these a/c had to fly. I am right in the middle of that feat now so far so good. I am also scrathbuilding a floor board out of wood and the cotrol stick which I hope to actually make move at least in pitch I am still trying to work out the roll trick but hey nobody will know it works but me any way. Well enough bandwith for now and thanks to all that have responded to my call for help:) TIM ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 19:21:21 -0400 From: Carlos Valdes To: wwi Subject: Re: Goodbye Message-ID: <33F635F1.6A63@conted.gatech.edu> Shane, Bad news indeed. Thanks for all your contributions. I hope you can rejoin us soon. Keep on modelling. Carlos ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 16:55:31 -0700 From: David Randall To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Goodbye Message-ID: <01BCB6FA.99C476C0@blv-pm104-ip28.halcyon.com> ------ =_NextPart_000_01BCB6FA.99CD9E80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Shane and others... There are many *free* web based e-mail accounts popping up. You might = consider them. If you have a library nearby, often, they have free = dial-up that you can use. You might not get PPP, but text based web = only. But then again, that's all e-mails are anyhow... Food for = thought.=20 Dave Randall -----Original Message----- From: Shane Weier [SMTP:sdw@qld.mim.com.au] Sent: Monday, September 01, 1997 3:14 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Goodbye Hi folks, Sadly, I am about to unsubscribe from the ww1 list after two and a half years of constant membership. The volume of mail has become too much for this company owned account, and as one of those charged with its maintenance I can no longer in conscience continue to use it. 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My best wishes to you for all future endevours. I look forward to seeing you on line again Cheers, Bill B. Shane Weier wrote: > Hi folks, > > Sadly, I am about to unsubscribe from the ww1 list after two and a > half > years of constant membership. The volume of mail has become too much > for > this company owned account, and as one of those charged with its > maintenance I can no longer in conscience continue to use it. > > Personal issues currently prevent my affording a private account, so I > > must instead wish you all the best, thank you for your time, good > humour > and endless assistance, and say goodbye > > Shane > > (PS - I may pop in for a day every month or so to help keep Matt in > line > ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 10:19:55 +1000 From: B-A-L To: wwi Subject: Re: Princess Diana death Message-ID: <340B5BAB.5644@eis.net.au> Speaking as an Australian lawyer it is impossible, I submit, to come to terms with the scantimonious, casuist hypocrisy of the media - It is the Media who have so flagrantly cultivated this sick fashion for cheap unhealthy voyerism into the lives of the rich and famous - It is the Media who have set prices in the market for these photograhic products and accordingly it is those who control the Media who have encouraged these semi-skilled perverts ( that is the meaning of papparatzi isn't it ? ) to the lengths and risks to which they go and in and/ or to which risk or actual danger they either wittingly or unwittingly involve and expose others ( and not just their targets/ victims ). It was interesting to hear one local radio announcer make mention of the fact that they had contacted all of the four " Women's Magazines " for comment regarding the role ( if any ) of the Media in the death of HRH the Princess of Wales. Having fed ( even gorged ) unrelentingly for years on the profits of the hounding of this poor woman, not one representative of these magazines was made available or had the ( journalistic ) integrity [ an oxymoron !? ] to step forward, not one !! These folk were remarked on by the announcer as the self-same organizations who flood the offices of radio shows across the country looking for air-time and exposure for their ( in my own view ) purile and intellectually undemanding products. I believe it was Lauren Bacall who once said " I believe in freedom of the Press, so long as I am left some freedom too " ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 10:29:40 +1000 From: B-A-L To: wwi Subject: Re: plea for help Message-ID: <340B5DF4.52EC@eis.net.au> For a realistic stain or colouring try soaking cloth in a solution of tea - It's what they use to " antique " linen in the Craft industry and gives a very mellow pleasing colour. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 11:19:09 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi'" Subject: The Last Post Message-ID: Hello guys, Okay, time I went. Thanks to those who said goodbye, I'll miss you. Regarding the photos I took at the AWM a couple of months back: I promise that when the doctors are finished stripping me of funds I'll get a set printed and off to Al for posting on the Web. Also, those of you who wanted an individual set - I have a list and will get to you too. Meanwhile - Happy Modelling Shane ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 00:02:52 -0400 (EDT) From: TPTPUMPER@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Jasta 5 Message-ID: <970902000248_1919228519@emout02.mail.aol.com> Hi Guys! > James, > > If you can wait, there will be a Windsock Fabric Special on Jasta 5 out > sometime in the future - it was announced in the 13/2 issue. > > Bob Pearson Does anyone know if this Jasta 5 Special includes "new" material from the A E Ferko collection mentioned on the List recently? Also, where is the Ferko collection again? Isn't it in or near Dallas, in a library? I may be visiting there soon. Thanx much! Have Fun!! IRA ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 00:25:26 -0400 From: Carlos Valdes To: wwi Subject: Re: Jasta 5 Message-ID: <33F67D36.52D5@conted.gatech.edu> Ira, The Ferko materials are now part of THe History of Aviation Collection at the Univeristy of Texas in Dallas. Lucky you if you get a chance to visit. Carlos ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 662 *********************