WWI Digest 658 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) RE: Methuen Colours - What a response by "Denest, Michael J" 2) RE: Methuen Colours - What a response by "Denest, Michael J" 3) Re: Glencoe Oeff. Albatross by TPTPUMPER@aol.com 4) Re: Roll Models by Jesse Thorn 5) flair taube by Klaus Mathisen 6) Re: flair taube by djones@iex.com (Doug Jones) 7) RE: flair taube by "Denest, Michael J" 8) 88mm Flak Gun by John.Sanders@dayco.com (John D Sanders) 9) Re: Glencoe Oeff. Albatross by The Shannons 10) Re: Methuen Colours by DavidL1217@aol.com 11) Re: Glencoe Oeff. Albatross by Franco Poloni 12) accessing the archive by "Gerald P. McOsker" 13) plea for help by "TIM" 14) Re: plea for help by Carlos Valdes 15) Re: Methuen Colours by "Jim Lyzun" 16) Re: Glencoe Oeff. Albatross by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 17) Re: plea for help by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 18) Hope everybody got their files by Richard Humberstone 19) Hora Morane Saulnier Type N by mbittner@juno.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 07:54:11 -0400 From: "Denest, Michael J" To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Methuen Colours - What a response Message-ID: Hi Richard, Please add me to the list for the Adobe Illustrator file. Many thanks. Mike Denest Rapid Prototyping Center Building 3-29 M/S P38-01 Boeing ISDS Rotorcraft PO Box 16858 Philadelphia, PA 19142 Phone 1-610-591-4681 Fax 1-610-591-4444 e-mail to: michael.denest@PHL.boeing.com >---------- >From: Richard Humberstone[SMTP:richardh@stratauk.demon.co.uk] >Sent: Thursday, August 28, 1997 5:27 AM >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: Methuen Colours - What a response > >Thanks to all who requested a copy of the Adobe Illustrator file with Methuen >colours. Please bear with me over the next week while I get them out to you >all, as I have a heavy workload at present. > >Regards >Richard Humberstone > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 07:55:23 -0400 From: "Denest, Michael J" To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Methuen Colours - What a response Message-ID: Sorry, I forgot to specify PC. Mike Denest Rapid Prototyping Center Building 3-29 M/S P38-01 Boeing ISDS Rotorcraft PO Box 16858 Philadelphia, PA 19142 Phone 1-610-591-4681 Fax 1-610-591-4444 e-mail to: michael.denest@PHL.boeing.com >---------- >From: Richard Humberstone[SMTP:richardh@stratauk.demon.co.uk] >Sent: Thursday, August 28, 1997 5:27 AM >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: Methuen Colours - What a response > >Thanks to all who requested a copy of the Adobe Illustrator file with Methuen >colours. Please bear with me over the next week while I get them out to you >all, as I have a heavy workload at present. > >Regards >Richard Humberstone > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 08:00:54 -0400 (EDT) From: TPTPUMPER@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Glencoe Oeff. Albatross Message-ID: <970828080052_-1838035427@emout16.mail.aol.com> Hi Franco! Glencoe released the same kit in German and Austro/Hungarian versions, using different tailskids, etc., to make the variants. They included the spinnerless rounded nose for the Oeffag 153.112 on and series 253. The major problem is the fuselage, which is off dimensionally and is anemic. I believe Windsock had an article on building it but I don't have it. It involved cutting the fuselage halves in half, lining up the nose and tail over drawings, and cutting/patching to get it closer. Then add judicious amounts of putty to flesh it out. While the crosses are anemic as well, the personal marking decals are good (except the color of Navratl's heart is a bit off). It's not that bad for a cheap kit, but they could have done better. Did Sierra ever kit the Oeffag Albatros? If so, it would be a good home for the Glencoe decals (with A/G crosses). Have Fun!! IRA Campbell ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 08:52:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Jesse Thorn To: wwi Subject: Re: Roll Models Message-ID: >My experience with Roll Models has been that email takes a while, sometimes >more than a week, before they answer you. I think it's just growing pains >trying to absorb Battle Hobbies. Be patient. Don't forget about the recent UPS strike. I know people who are still waiting for packages shipped several WEEKS ago thru the US Postal Service as well as UPS. Roll Models uses UPS for shipping. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 15:44:46 +0200 (MET DST) From: Klaus Mathisen To: wwi Subject: flair taube Message-ID: <199708281344.PAA27938@online.no> Hello! A friend of mine who's not on the net recently discovered a 1:7 scale model of the Etrich Taube by Flair Modeling that he purchased long ago. But alas, all drawings were missing. I (he) would be very grateful for any info whatsoever on this particular kit, or any hints on where to get such info. Regards, Klaus N. Mathisen klausm@online.no ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 09:15:34 -0500 (CDT) From: djones@iex.com (Doug Jones) To: wwi Subject: Re: flair taube Message-ID: <9708281415.AA13145@deimos.tx.iex.com> > A friend of mine who's not on the net recently discovered a 1:7 scale model > of the Etrich Taube by Flair Modeling that he purchased long ago. But alas, > all drawings were missing. I (he) would be very grateful for any info > whatsoever on this particular kit, or any hints on where to get such info. Klaus, have your friend contact Hobby Supply South (770)974-0843 and see if they can help him out. They are the current importers of these kits. Doug -- ------------------------------------------------- 'I am a traveler of | Douglas R. Jones both Time and Space' | IEX Corporation Led Zeppelin | (972)301-1307 | djones@iex.com ------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 10:39:12 -0400 From: "Denest, Michael J" To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: flair taube Message-ID: Klaus, Here is the link to Hobby Supply South. http://www.fly-hss.com/catalog/kits/kits-fl.htm This will take you directly to the Flair kits page. There is a link for the Taube. Happy flying! Mike Denest Rapid Prototyping Center Building 3-29 M/S P38-01 Boeing ISDS Rotorcraft PO Box 16858 Philadelphia, PA 19142 Phone 1-610-591-4681 Fax 1-610-591-4444 e-mail to: michael.denest@PHL.boeing.com >---------- >From: Klaus Mathisen[SMTP:klausm@online.no] >Sent: Thursday, August 28, 1997 9:48 AM >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: flair taube > >Hello! > >A friend of mine who's not on the net recently discovered a 1:7 scale model >of the Etrich Taube by Flair Modeling that he purchased long ago. But alas, >all drawings were missing. I (he) would be very grateful for any info >whatsoever on this particular kit, or any hints on where to get such info. > >Regards, > >Klaus N. Mathisen >klausm@online.no > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 11:30:45 -0500 From: John.Sanders@dayco.com (John D Sanders) To: wwi Subject: 88mm Flak Gun Message-ID: <405B4670.@dayco.com> Greetings, I recently bought a 1:72 scale Hasegawa 88mm gun kit with the intention of kit bashing so it might repesent a WWI model as described and illustrated in the Fritz Nagle book. Do any of you know of a source for drawings or additional photographs for the WWI version, or does an example exist in a museum? Thanks, John Sanders ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 12:10:44 -0500 From: The Shannons To: wwi Subject: Re: Glencoe Oeff. Albatross Message-ID: <3405B114.642@ix.netcom.com> Franco Poloni wrote: > Hi All > I never saw a Glencoe kit, how bad is the Albatross Oeff? > It is a matter of lacking details or it is completely wrong in dimensions > and shape? > I've heard about the next release of the Alb diii by Eduard, and I hope that > someone else will do a conversion set for the Oeffag. > Cheers -- The Glencoe kit of the Albatros D.III is ok for general shape, dimension, and the like. The problem is that it is a rather rough character. The two halves of the fuselage are different sizes and shapes, with the port side having a rounded outer contour and the starboard the proper flat sided shape -- fortunately, the plastic is thick enough that you can sand the port side down and still have too much plastic. Next, the engine should just be junked. Cockpit detail will need and aftermarket set and scratchbuilding (I used the Tom's Modelworks "German WWI Cockpit Details"). The rudder and fin (top and skid fairing) need a lot of cleaning up and defining the shapes, they are somewhat blob-like. The Horizontal tail has a rectangular cutout to fit to the fuselage, but there is no matching location (Rectangular cutout to tapered section -- a lot of filling and smoothing or scratchbuild your own.) But now we come to the real fun of this fuselage. The upper decking over the guns and engine does not fit. No how, no way. That is, until you sand down one of the fuselage rails and build up the other, then you sand on the unit until it has an Albatros shape. Once that is done, replace the sticks they give you for Spandaus, and sand the airscrew carefully to the correct shape, then the spinner for the early D.III and the German types (Again, it's thick enough that you have plenty of room to work). For the Oef. Albatrii, the engine louvers need to have the rearmost one removed. I removed all of them, then rescribed all the inspection ports and replaced the louvers with strips of Evergreen, shaped after mounting. There is an extra inspection door just ahead of the cockpit on Oef Albatrii, oval in shape, that has to be scribed in. The lower wings do not have a very positive mounting, though they are commendably thin. Work carefully here -- mine are basically held in place by the rigging and not much more. The fairings fore and aft of the wing roots will have to be added according to your references. Both the upper and lower wings need to have the scalloped rear edges put in -- a trick I learned from the Fine Scale Modeler review of the kit is that a piece of sandpaper wrapped around a Micro-Set bottle is just the right size. Both wings also need the ribbing detail handled to your satisfaction, as they are just shown as rough marks on the relatively flat surface. For mine, I used Evergreen .010 x .020 strips, glued down with some liquid cement having sprue dissolved in it ("liquid plastic") then sanded to a smooth light scalloping for the upper surfaces, and strands of embroidery floss thread soaked in the liquid plastic and smoothed out for the lower surface. I am not pleased with the results on the lower wing, but it isn't horrible. Replace or sand the wing and gear struts down to size -- they are the typical boards that companies gave in the old days. The cabane struts (fuselage to upper wing) will need to have their position located and holes drilled -- since it's a sesquiplane, this requires a jig. The landing gear axle needs to be shortened a bit, and the wheels are rather blob-like, but can be worked. Spreader bars for the landing gear need to be scratch-built Rigging and the control lines need to be added. Your level of desired detail will vary, but you can see it is a rather hefty task. When done, it does look like a Albatros D.III. If you haven't already bought one of these, wait for the Eduard kit. It should be excellent, and the differences between the German and Austro-Hungarian birds are sure to be bridged by an aftermarket. The Glencoe might be worth it for the decals, especially if it's on special. -- This has been Mark and/or Mary Shannon at Shingend@ix.netcom.com History manages to get away with cliches no novelist could. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 14:21:55 -0400 (EDT) From: DavidL1217@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Methuen Colours Message-ID: <970828142053_-2003179306@emout09.mail.aol.com> Yes, I would love have this colour reference! My computer is a PC. My email is DavidL1217@aol.com My address is 2009 Cedarmill Drive Chesterfield, MO 63017 USA Regards, David Layton ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 08:44:43 GMT From: Franco Poloni To: wwi Subject: Re: Glencoe Oeff. Albatross Message-ID: <199708260844.IAA22937@lo.itline.it> Hi all ok, I will definetely wait for the Eduard kit, I'm allready working hard on my Caproni CA3 to be involved in such a "risky business" with the Glencoe Albatross. Thanks for your help Franco ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 17:39:40 -0400 From: "Gerald P. McOsker" To: wwi Subject: accessing the archive Message-ID: Help- I unsubscribed from 8/19 to 8/26 while on vacation. When I came back I tried to check out the maiil I missed in the archives however my Netscvape 3.0 browser coldn't translate the x-compress format. I use a Mac- Can anyone advise what to do/download?? TIA Gerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 18:07:32 +0000 From: "TIM" To: wwi Subject: plea for help Message-ID: <199708290110.VAA08118@pease1.sr.unh.edu> Hi After several months of research and a lot of help from the members of this list. I am desperate for a little more information I am in work on a DR1 and after scratchbuilding a tube frame and numerous other mods I still need to know what color the interior walls of the fuselage are I would rathere not get gigged at the IPMS event I plan on entering it in for the wrong color on the inside please if anybody knows email me back or post it to the list. THANKS TIM ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 06:07:07 -0400 From: Carlos Valdes To: wwi Subject: Re: plea for help Message-ID: <33F42A4B.3BB2@conted.gatech.edu> Tim, As only--I believe--the outside of the fabric was painted on the Dr.I, the inside should be a plain fabric color, somewhat darkened as a result of the afore- mentioned painting. Carlos ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 23:11:47 -0500 From: "Jim Lyzun" To: wwi Subject: Re: Methuen Colours Message-ID: <19970828231147.00b990d4.in@mail.baynet.net> >Thanks to all who requested a copy of the Adobe Illustrator file with Methuen >colours. Please bear with me over the next week while I get them out to you >all, as I have a heavy workload at present. > >Regards >Richard Humberstone > I would like a PC copy as well, thanks. Jim Lyzun ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 20:27:06 -0700 From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: Glencoe Oeff. Albatross Message-ID: <199708290327.AA15470@ednet1.orednet.org> IRA Campbell writes: > -snips- While the crosses are anemic as well, the personal >marking decals are good (except the color of Navratl's heart is a bit off). Not to be overly pedantic, but how could one be sufficiently positive about the exact shade of the original so as to know, with any degree of confidence, as to whether the decal color "is a bit off" or not? Cheers and regards, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org "Listen - strange women lying around in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony!" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 20:40:27 -0700 From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: plea for help Message-ID: <199708290340.AA21645@ednet1.orednet.org> Tim writes: > After several months of research and a lot of help from the >members of this list. I am desperate for a little more information I >am in work on a DR1 and after scratchbuilding a tube frame and >numerous other mods I still need to know what color the interior >walls of the fuselage are I would rathere not get gigged at the IPMS >event I plan on entering it in for the wrong color on the inside >please if anybody knows email me back or post it to the list. If you are _scratch building_ the tube frame, there shouldn't be a color cop in the world who would have the b**ls to gig ya' for the color ya' painted it! Unless you did it in orange or some such. Who's to know, really, what color it was - there are no surviving Dr.I's and the interior primer color is not something that anyone bothered to record or keep track of so far as I know. I'd kinda favor that greyish green (or greenish grey) primer that was used on some of the exterior metal panels of some German a/c - mostly on the theory that there really would be no need for two different primers so why not use the same metal primer on all metal parts. But, this is mostly guessing. I'm not sure there is a definitive answer as to the exact color of the interior frame. Orange is probably out, though. Cheers and regards, -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org "Listen - strange women lying around in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony!" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 97 09:16:08 GMT From: Richard Humberstone To: wwi Subject: Hope everybody got their files Message-ID: <872842593.0610303.0@stratauk.demon.co.uk> I hope everyone who requested Adobe Illustrator Methuem tables received them OK. If not, please let me know. Richard Humberstone ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 05:21:10 -0500 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Hora Morane Saulnier Type N Message-ID: <19970829.052111.14694.0.mbittner@juno.com> My first Hora kit arrived yesterday. I decided to do myself a favor, buy the Type N and forget about the Revell kit. I think this was a prudent idea. The parts appear to be spot on, dimension wise. Parts consist of fuselage halves; wing joined with a part of the forward fuselage; upper fuselage which consists of the cockpit cut out and part of the forward fuselage; horizontal and vertical tail surfaces; Le Rhone engine; two props (one with the deflectors molded on!); two wheels; *all* struts; seat; spinner; Lewis and Vickers guns; outer wheel hubs; windscreen frame (!); and other parts which I think are part of the cockpit. All in all, quite comprehensive. As I already mentioned, it appears that all parts spec out (I didn't cut out the tail surfaces to be sure). All parts arrive on the familiar "wafer". I like the way they did the wing-to-fuselage, but if I'm not careful, it's going to be quite the filler job. After glueing both fuselage halves together, you add the wing/forward fuselage, then the upper cockpit piece. A much stronger joint than butt-joining the wings, but still... I will give full details when I build it. Too bad I have so many projects started now. :-( Matt mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 658 *********************