WWI Digest 654 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Which magazine/book? by Jure Dolanec 2) Re: Re: Al's Place by JimAlley@aol.com 3) Virus Hoaxes by Andrew and Rebecca Hall 4) Re: Which magazine/book? by mgoodwin 5) Re: Virus Hoaxes by JimAlley@aol.com 6) Re: FW: Important! by "huggins@onramp.net" 7) Re: Which magazine/book? by Jure Dolanec 8) Re: Vacform Felixstowe by Geoff Smith 9) Re: What is this doohickey? by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 10) Re: Which magazine/book? by TPTPUMPER@aol.com 11) RE: What is this doohickey? by Shane Weier 12) Re: Which magazine/book? by bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 13) Over The Front by bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 14) Re: What is this doohickey? by Bob Pearson 15) RE: Albatros wing cut out -Reply -Reply by Peter Mitchell 16) Re: Which magazine/book? by Charles Hart 17) Re: FW: Important! (Yeah, right) by "Rob " 18) Re: Virus Hoaxes by "Rob " 19) natural linen varished by "TIM" 20) Re: WWI Vanishing on video by lothar@televar.com (mark) 21) An interesting find by lothar@televar.com (mark) 22) Re: scale conversions by mbittner@juno.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 12:14:42 +0100 From: Jure Dolanec To: wwi Subject: Which magazine/book? Message-ID: Hi, first of all, I would like to thank all of you who sent ideas & comments about a 3D terrain for the Blue Max game. You were very helpful. I'll write back when it is finished. I am in a desperate need of some reference material. What magazine is best suited for WW-I airplanes modelling? Or a book(s), covering the aerial combat of that period? Currently I am all 1/72 scale. I don't have anything worth mentioning regarding the literature, so for starters I'd prefer an 'overview' type of a book with pictures of the airplanes that I could use as a source. (Rigging, colors, etc...) Thanks! Jure Dolanec ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 07:51:50 -0400 (EDT) From: JimAlley@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Re: Al's Place Message-ID: <970824075150_513094751@emout07.mail.aol.com> > I've had two guys complain about the plain white backgound on my page. >Turns out they were both using Netscape. I don't know if this is my >fault, AOL's problem, or something peculiar to Netscape, but for the time >being, anyone visiting my page should use Internet Explorer if at all >possible. > > Any computer/Internet wizards out there have any idea what's causing >this, and/or a possible fix? I can tell you that it took several *minutes* for my browser to download that huge background picture. I was on the verge of cancelling the page. Jim Alley ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 09:18:13 -0700 From: Andrew and Rebecca Hall To: wwi Subject: Virus Hoaxes Message-ID: <34005EC5.F07@phoenix.net> David Solosy wrote: > Sorry to take up time and band width with this stuff guys, but it is = > important that you are aware of the following viruses that are being = > sent via the email. Whatever you do, DON'T OPEN any of them. Delete them = > as soon as you see 'em. The one my work was warned about is an email = > titled Join the Crew. The two mentioned in the forwarded message here = > are called Pen Pal Greeting and AO4 Free.=20 David: Thank you for the warning, but these "viruses" are most likely all hoaxes. Both "Pen Pal Greetings" and "Join the Crew" are well-known hoaxes, and I am sure "AO4 Free" is as well. It's very easy to get taken in by these warnings, because they are very official-sounding, purpotrtedly come from official sources, and almost always are forwarded along by very well-meaning and reliable people. Even smart people get drawn into this mess. I personally (mostly through mailing lists) have received "Pen Pal Greetings" warnings from (1) a staff member of a well-known U.S. Congressman; (2) the chairperson of the Dept. of Psychology of a major university; and (3) (last week) from a friend in Denmark who was warned by the computer security specialist of that country's largest international corporation. At least you're in good company. Bill Shatzer wrote that "You _cannot_ infect your machine with an e-mail message - period." That's true, with one important caveat -- you *can* get a virus from binary file attachments that are sent with e-mail messages, so be careful opening *attachments* of an unknown type or from unknown sources. Virii usually are transfered in the from of executable files or, more recently, embedded in the macro files of a document. (This is how the MS Word macro virus is often spread.) But the simple text of an e-mail message *cannot* infect your machine with a virus, because it does not cause the machine to execute any instructions. The latest reliable information on computer virii and the Internet is available through CIAC, the U.S. Dept. of Energy's Computer Incident Advisory Capability, at: http://ciac.llnl.gov/ciac/CIACHome.html CIAC also maintains a growing list of virus hoaxes, including "Penpal Greetings" and "Join the Crew" at: http://ciac.llnl.gov/ciac/CIACHoaxes.html My personal vote for the best virus hoax name is one my Danish friend also mentioned, "Returned or Unable to Deliver." Everyone who uses e-mail much gets those all the time, which (to the slightly paranoid type) would tend to confirm everything he or she has heard about the virus. It's a self-validating hoax -- brilliant! Anyway, thanks for effort to warn us. I know it was meant well. I don't blame individual users for getting taken in by this, but those who speak from positions of authority -- people who are paid to know about this stuff, like the computer security people in Denmark who passed along the warning to my friend -- really need to get their s**t together. This is getting tiresome. -----------> Andy Hall __________________________________________________________________ Andrew and Rebecca Hall Galveston, Texas tigone@phoenix.net __________________________________________________________________ "It's 'Faux-fu' -- a tofu substitute for the tofu-intolerant" -------- King of the Hill ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 09:23:01 -0700 From: mgoodwin To: wwi Subject: Re: Which magazine/book? Message-ID: <34005FE5.7798@ricochet.net> Jure Dolanec wrote: > > Hi, > > first of all, I would like to thank all of you who sent ideas & comments about > a 3D terrain for the Blue Max game. You were very helpful. I'll write back > when it is finished. > > I am in a desperate need of some reference material. What magazine is best > suited for WW-I airplanes modelling? Or a book(s), covering the aerial combat > of that period? Currently I am all 1/72 scale. > > I don't have anything worth mentioning regarding the literature, so for > starters I'd prefer an 'overview' type of a book with pictures of the > airplanes that I could use as a source. (Rigging, colors, etc...) > > Thanks! > > Jure Dolanec Jure, There's a lot of good general overview books, but most of them are out of print. I recommend the following which are out of print: World Aircraft-Fighters 1914-1918 by Kenneth Munson. Blandford/MacMillan c.1968 World Aircraft-Bombers and Reconnaissance Aircraft 1914-1918 also by Munson. Phoebus History of the World Wars Special: Fighters of World War One edited by Andrew Kershaw. Also in the Phoebus series: Bombers: 1914-1939 and The First Warplanes. Knights of the Air by Time-Life Books. Out of print but you should be able to find it at any library or decent used book store. Common as dirt. I don't know what your hobby budget is, but unfortunately, the best magazines (such as Windsock) on WWI aviation are horrendously expensive, aside from a few special issues of garden variety mags, such as AIRPOWER. I guess you could try ordering the November 1995 back-issue of AIRPOWER (I have this one). If you promise to return them, I can send you a couple good references. Are you in the U.S.? Please post your mailing address. Cheers, Riordan (list librarian) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 13:20:35 -0400 (EDT) From: JimAlley@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Virus Hoaxes Message-ID: <970824132032_1613958823@emout16.mail.aol.com> I agree about the hoaxes. There is no need to fear email messages. Generally, documents are never a problem -- only executable code. However, everyone should be aware of the newest kind of virus -- the Microsoft Word macro virus. This is a destructive macro embedded in a Microsoft Word file. Two good ways to avoid this virus: (1) Don't use Microsoft Word (my favorite), or (2) turn off the macro features in the program. (They're just another reason for Word's bloat anyhow.) Jim Alley ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 13:02:53 -0500 From: "huggins@onramp.net" To: wwi Subject: Re: FW: Important! Message-ID: >Sorry to take up time and band width with this stuff guys, but it is = >important that you are aware of the following viruses that are being = >sent via the email. Whatever you do, DON'T OPEN any of them. Delete them = >as soon as you see 'em. The one my work was warned about is an email = >titled Join the Crew. The two mentioned in the forwarded message here = >are called Pen Pal Greeting and AO4 Free.=20 > >David S This sure sounds like the "Good Times" virurs warning that has been running around the internet every 4 to 6 months for the past 4 years. As long as you are running an up to date virus checking program, you should be protected. Any comments Allan. John Disclaimer: Any errors in spelling, tact, or fact are transmission errors. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 20:09:52 +0100 From: Jure Dolanec To: mgoodwin Subject: Re: Which magazine/book? Message-ID: On 24-Aug-97, mgoodwin put his thoughts on screen: >>Knights of the Air by Time-Life Books. Hi Riordan, I have managed to find the above title in an on-line book-store from Seattle. It is not readily available, but they will search for it. If anyone is interested, here is the URL: http://www.amazon.com It seems that they don't have the other titles you recommended, but I have found (among zillion of others) the following: "Fighters: Attack and Training aircraft, 1914 - 1918" by Kenneth Munson It is even on-stock. >>If you promise to return them, I can send you a couple good references. Are >>you in the U.S.? Please post your mailing address. Unfortunately, I am from the other side of the pond, from Slovenia. I wouldn't dare asking you to send me something like that. It is a long way and mail gets lost, books get torn, etc... But thank you very much for the offer! My modelling budget is of course limited, but can get bigger when my wife doesn't watch. :) However, being literature-less in WW-I field, I am prepared to invest some money for a magazine, if it is worth it. Judging by your words, Windsock seems to be a good one. Thanks for your help, Riordan. Jure ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 17:38:13 -0400 From: Geoff Smith To: LIST Subject: Re: Vacform Felixstowe Message-ID: <199708241738_MC2-1E17-E32@compuserve.com> Hi guys, Sorry I can't remember who but someone was nervous of vacforms. I have to= admit to a nervous tick when just thinking about them myself. However, while browsing I found 3 "Skeet sheets" about vacform building by Scott = M. Head of IPMS, Houston at : http://web-hou.iapc.net/~smh/articles.html. Hope this helps whoever. Apologies if I'm duplicating someone else's contribution. Regards, Geoff. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 14:53:35 -0700 From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: What is this doohickey? Message-ID: <199708242153.AA13882@ednet1.orednet.org> Bob Pearson wrote: >Bill, > >In my talks with Greg VanWyngarden prior to my painting the aforementioned >profiles we discussed this object which is most likely an instrument to >record the height the aircraft reached. I decided to leave it off the >profile as it would obscure the crocodile. Sounds reasonable - and thanks for the paintings on Boehme's C.III, a great job. Glad to see you think the port-side figure is, in fact, a crocodile rather than just a bad rendition of the starboard "horrible dragon". That was my "take" on it as well. Kinda interesting on how this kind of new information keeps appearing. After 80 years, you'd think all there was to be discovered had been discovered. Thankfully, that is not the case. Cheers, Bill -- Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 18:11:51 -0400 (EDT) From: TPTPUMPER@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Which magazine/book? Message-ID: <970824181143_-866450087@emout10.mail.aol.com> Hi Jure! Welcome aboard! You may want to look for a couple of magazines from Europe, such as HPM (from Czech Republic) or Militaria (from Poland). Both are general history magazines, and HPM has a modeling aspect as well, but WWI pops up quite frequently. WWI a/c articles in HPM generally include scale drawings and color profiles. I can get a few back issues of HPM and mail them to you if you like. Just send me your mailing address and they're yours. Have Fun!! IRA Campbell TPT PUMPER@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 08:11:53 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: What is this doohickey? Message-ID: > >> >>In my talks with Greg VanWyngarden prior to my painting the aforementioned >>profiles we discussed this object which is most likely an instrument to >>record the height the aircraft reached. Barograph. Yup, probably. >>I decided to leave it off the >>profile as it would obscure the crocodile. Sensible move when you're trying to show the paintjob and not the aircraft Shane > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 18:33:59 -0400 From: bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Which magazine/book? Message-ID: <199708242233.SAA12137@pease1.sr.unh.edu> >Jure Dolanec wrote: >> I am in a desperate need of some reference material. What magazine is best >> suited for WW-I airplanes modelling? Or a book(s), covering the aerial combat >> of that period? Currently I am all 1/72 scale. Jure Ah, probably everyone's favorite topic on how to spend money without buying models! I agree with Riordan. Windsock Datafiles are teriffic if a bit costly. I also am a big supporter of Over the Front, a magazine published 4 times a year. Lots of good articles and there is usually at least one article each issue on markings, etc. Our list's artist, Bob, has a nice article in the current issue on airplanes using names as markings. Over the Front has a web page and I think you can sign up that way. If not, if Peter K is still listening in, I'm sure he will contact you. I'll get the site and e-mail it next. Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 18:36:25 -0400 From: bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Over The Front Message-ID: <199708242236.SAA12189@pease1.sr.unh.edu> Jure The site is: http://www.overthefront.com/ Good Luck and welcome to the group Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 16:10:38 -0700 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: What is this doohickey? Message-ID: <23103824909692@KAIEN.COM> Bill wrote: > Sounds reasonable - and thanks for the paintings on Boehme's C.III, > a great job. Glad to see you think the port-side figure is, in > fact, a crocodile rather than just a bad rendition of the starboard > "horrible dragon". That was my "take" on it as well. One thing that almost all previous attempts have boo-booed on is the dragon on the starboard side. Even though they had the photos of this to work from they still depicted it as having FOUR legs and a fat body a'la Flashar/von Hippel's Jasta 5 Albatros D.V. Whereas it is actually more serpentine with a long tail and TWO legs. In case it isn't mentioned in the captions (I haven't received my copy yet) also note the two aircraft that the reptiles are chasing. On one side it is a pusher and the other a tractor. At the OTF seminar last year, after telling me that my previous 1/48 profile of this aircraft was in error, Greg VanWyngarden showed me the xerox of the crocodile. And then when I sent in my first artwork for What's In a Name I once again offered to paint this aircraft. At the time he was still trying to get permission to use the photos so I was told to not hold my breath, but then three months ago I got a call to see if I still wished to do it. Silly question. For anyone not subscribing to OTF that wishes to see this aircraft, let me know and I will email them to you. Regards Bob Pearson ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 09:03:44 +1000 From: Peter Mitchell To: wwi Subject: RE: Albatros wing cut out -Reply -Reply Message-ID: >>> Mick Fauchon 24/August/1997 02:04pm >>> Shane, > Hi Peter, > > > >My fellow civilized Australian, > Just a minute here! Should I infer from this that some of your fellow Aussies are *not* civilised? 80) Cheers, Mick. Hello Mick, Re: the above.... yeah, I've met a few..... You probably saw Shane Warne the other day..... case in point ;-) Pete. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 18:20:29 -0700 From: Charles Hart To: wwi Subject: Re: Which magazine/book? Message-ID: >>Jure Dolanec wrote: > >>> I am in a desperate need of some reference material. What magazine is best >>> suited for WW-I airplanes modelling? Or a book(s), covering the aerial >>>combat >>> of that period? Currently I am all 1/72 scale. > >Jure > Ah, probably everyone's favorite topic on how to spend money without >buying models! I agree with Riordan. Windsock Datafiles are teriffic if a >bit costly. I also am a big supporter of Over the Front, a magazine >published 4 times a year. Lots of good articles and there is usually at >least one article each issue on markings, etc. Our list's artist, Bob, has a >nice article in the current issue on airplanes using names as markings. Over >the Front has a web page and I think you can sign up that way. If not, if >Peter K is still listening in, I'm sure he will contact you. I'll get the >site and e-mail it next. >Mike Muth Peter Kilduff has been off this list for several months now. Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 19:31:05 +0000 From: "Rob " To: wwi Subject: Re: FW: Important! (Yeah, right) Message-ID: <199708250139.VAA25324@mcfeely.concentric.net> > >Sorry to take up time and band width with this stuff guys, but it is = > >important that you are aware of the following viruses that are being = > >sent via the email. Whatever you do, DON'T OPEN any of them. Delete them = > >as soon as you see 'em. The one my work was warned about is an email = > >titled Join the Crew. The two mentioned in the forwarded message here = > >are called Pen Pal Greeting and AO4 Free.=20 > > > This sure sounds like the "Good Times" virurs warning that has been running > around the internet every 4 to 6 months for the past 4 years. As long as > you are running an up to date virus checking program, you should be > protected. Good virucide software is an essential, of course, but not to protect you from e-mail. These virus alerts are hoaxes that have been kicking around for eons now. When you get one, ignore it. Don't pass it on. Instead, send the information below to the person who sent you the "alert." E-mail is ASCII text--not binary, definitely not executable. So opening an e-mail can never hurt anything. Viruses could be encoded as text using uuencoding, binhex, or some other scheme and sent as attachments or insertions in e-mail. But they would still have to be decoded at your end (to convert them to binary executables) and run by you. There is no way this could be automated. To avoid viruses, don't trade floppies and don't download executable programs (in the PC world, files with the filename extensions EXE, COM, and BAT) from sources you do not know and trust (such as Web sites), don't let Web sites set cookies or run Active X controls on your system. Install a virucide application, such as Norton Antivirus, and run it in the background mode, all the time. Update its virus identification files regularly by downloading from the vendor's website. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 19:38:04 +0000 From: "Rob " To: wwi Subject: Re: Virus Hoaxes Message-ID: <199708250145.VAA00432@mcfeely.concentric.net> > I agree about the hoaxes. There is no need to fear email messages. > Generally, documents are never a problem -- only executable code. > However, everyone should be aware of the newest kind of virus -- the > Microsoft Word macro virus. This is a destructive macro embedded in a > Microsoft Word file. Two good ways to avoid this virus: (1) Don't use > Microsoft Word (my favorite), or (2) turn off the macro features in the > program. (They're just another reason for Word's bloat anyhow.) Word macro viruses can live in any MSOffice file that supports the macro language (including Access and Excell, I believe). However, Office documents are binary files. Like executables, they have to be converted to ASCII text before you send them as e-mail. They can't hurt you until you decode the file and open the document in Word, Excell, or Access. Happily, good, late-model virucide software (including Norton and McAffee) will detect and clean these. Turning off the macro feature might not be a good solution, because it might still leave you open to exporting the virus to someone else. Computer Typhoid Maries tend to be unpopular, especially when they infect the office network. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 20:54:51 +0000 From: "TIM" To: wwi Subject: natural linen varished Message-ID: <199708250357.XAA12973@pease1.sr.unh.edu> Hello Anybody have a suggestion on how to duplicate the color of varnished linen on the inside of german aircraft like the fuselage walls as viewed through the cockpit? Tim ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 00:49:39 -0700 (PDT) From: lothar@televar.com (mark) To: wwi Subject: Re: WWI Vanishing on video Message-ID: <199708250749.AAA24119@concord.televar.com> >While at the library this week, I noticed that the three excellent CBS >documentary tapes on the Great War had been withdrawn without a trace. >Apparently they were worn out, way out of production and irreplaceable. >If anyone sees any of these hour-long videos at your local library, tape >'em if you can. On one of them, there's an excellent segment on the war >in the air. > >Riordan Riordan- I see this one in the PBS Home Video catalog that they send me (roughly) every other month. I've already thrown out the last one I got, but if you'd like I'll keep it in mind when the next catalog shows up, and let you know. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 01:12:50 -0700 (PDT) From: lothar@televar.com (mark) To: wwi Subject: An interesting find Message-ID: <199708250812.BAA25610@concord.televar.com> Greeetings all - A few months back there was an interesting thread on the subject of what kind of music we'd listen to while working on a modeling project. Well, I've just been listening to a recent find acquired from the Collectors Choice music catalog, and thought some of you might find it of interest. The CD, released by Memphis Archives, is the complete recordings of Lieut. Jim Europes' 369th US Infantry "Hellfighters" Band. This was an all black regimental band whose members fought- and performed - in France during the last two years of the war, and are credited with first introducing jazz and the blues to the Continent. They recorded 24 songs for the old Pathe label in New York immediately after returning from the war in 1919, and these tracks are what the CD consisits of. Pretty scratchy, but an amazing collection of popular music from our favorite era of history. You can almost imagine Rickenbacker, Luke, Fonck and Nungesser knocking back a few at the AEF Rec Center in Paris while listening to these guys tear through a *very* cool (by 1918 standards, at least) rendition of "St. Louis Blues".... I may have to put my current project on the shelf and dive into the Glencoe Nie. 28 now! Collectors Choice phone # is 800-923-1122, item # is BJMEM70202, $16.95 U.S. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 04:55:54 -0500 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Cc: wwi Subject: Re: scale conversions Message-ID: <19970825.050339.14630.3.mbittner@juno.com> On Sat, 23 Aug 1997 10:49:43 -0400 "TIM" writes: > Can somebody post the scale conversion factors I have >seemed to have lost mine somewhere. all the way through 1/8 please It's on Al's page. Ken Hagerup has a spreadsheet for these conversions, and I converted it into HTML to be included on Al's page. I don't know where it's at specifically, but look around. You'll get there. ;-) Matt mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 654 *********************