WWI Digest 624 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Dayton OH AFB by "TIM" 2) Re: Eduard Albatros C.III by "Paul Schwartzkopf" 3) Re: Dayton OH AFB by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 4) Help! Cleaning up hardened superglue: by Patrick Padovan 5) Re: Eduard Albatros C.III by BStett3770@aol.com 6) Re: Eduard Albatros C.III by The Shannons 7) Re: Help! Cleaning up hardened superglue: by The Shannons 8) Re: DETAIL FOR ENGINES Bristol Bulldog Jupiter VII F by Bill Bacon 9) Re: Help! Cleaning up hardened superglue: by BStett3770@aol.com 10) Re: Dayton OH AFB by "Eli Geher" 11) Re: Help! Cleaning up hardened superglue: by GRBroman@aol.com 12) Vacation/I'm outta here by bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 13) Re: DETAIL FOR ENGINES Bristol Bulldog Jupiter VII F by Sandy Adam 14) The Horror...The Horror by kevinkim@interlog.com (barrett) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 05:52:23 +0000 From: "TIM" To: wwi Subject: Dayton OH AFB Message-ID: <199707251255.IAA26929@pease1.sr.unh.edu> Hi all Does anybody out there have a Email adress for anybody in the restoration department of the museum or any where in the museum for that matter? If so please send me. Thanks ahead of time TIM ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 07:57:40 +0000 From: "Paul Schwartzkopf" To: wwi Subject: Re: Eduard Albatros C.III Message-ID: <199707251300.IAA22953@tscrypt1.transcrypt.com> Multiple Marks wrote: >I wonder, shall we all get our Albatros C.III's entered into the WWI >page soon? Everyone has their own favorite ways to show the early >CDL and natural wood, it would be an interesting set of comparisons. >>Sounds like a good idea. Even before this thread I was hoping to get a >>start on my CIII within the next couple of weeks. Would love to see >>how close - or not so close - our respective woodgrains and CDL end up >>looking. No problem. At the rate I'm going, I hope you guys don't mind waiting another 2-3 years for mine! Paul A. Schwartzkopf =================================================================== Development Engineer--Software Transcrypt International, Inc. Telephone: (402) 474-4800 E-Mail: pauls@transcrypt.com =================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 11:27:24 -0700 From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: Dayton OH AFB Message-ID: <199707251827.AA12492@ednet1.orednet.org> > >Hi all > Does anybody out there have a Email adress for anybody >in the restoration department of the museum or any where in the >museum for that matter? If so please send me. They don't take e-mail requests. The museum's website home page is at www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/index.htm which will lead you to the phone numbers and snail mail addresses for the various departments of the museum. Cheers, -- - Bill Shatzer bshatzer@orednet.org - - Cave ab homine unius libri! - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 11:53:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Patrick Padovan To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Help! Cleaning up hardened superglue: Message-ID: Greetings: I'm glad to know that the list was silent yesterday, and that it wasn't just at my end: I thought I'd been excommunicated! I need your help with the following: After weeks and weeks of neglect, I finally had a few moments to pick up my Camel project again. I had previously filled the troughs in the wings with cyanoacr, er, cyanoaccryl, er, gap-filling superglue, with the intention of cleaning it up with acetone before it set. . . Well, life intervened, and now the superglue is good and set. So, any suggestions as to how I clean up the excess? I'm trying to avoid sanding, as obviously the cryanoaccyl-whats-it is harder than the styrene, and I don't want to lose surface detail. For the record, I used slow-drying Zap-a-gap (green label). Should I: 1. Keep patiently applying acetone with a swab, while geologic eras pass? 2. Use some other substance (Superglue-solvents?) 3. Throw away these wings, and start over? For the record, I'm working on a Revel 1/72 Camel kit. Anybody have any suggestions? Anybody like to share an alternate method for filling those wing slots? Help! Patrick ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Patrick Padovan Interlibrary Loan Associate Timberland Regional Library Voice: 360-943-5001 415 Airdustrial Way SW FAX: 360-586-6838 Olympia, WA 98501-5799 e-mail: ppadovan@timberland.lib.wa.us ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 17:36:04 -0400 (EDT) From: BStett3770@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Eduard Albatros C.III Message-ID: <970725173550_-189953109@emout14.mail.aol.com> Sorry Gang Atlee discontinued the Alb. C.III upgrade. We are all sold out. Keep Modeling Barry Rosemont Hobby ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 17:30:05 -0500 From: The Shannons To: wwi Subject: Re: Eduard Albatros C.III Message-ID: <33D928EC.747F@ix.netcom.com> Suvoroff@aol.com wrote: > > In reference to the engine mounts, I mean the forward pair of the four > engine bearers cast into the white metal engine. I had to trim these to get > the engine to go far enough forward in the fusilage, and frankly I do not > think I trimmed them enough. > I did not understand your reference to the directions to trim these off, > so I went down and looked at the directions again. Sure enough, there is a > little "cut" symbol I had not seen. Rather than take the blame for my > inattention, however, I will blame the instruction sheet and manufacturer, > and curse the day when someone came up with these symbols. I remember when > model directions were in English, as they should be. > > James D. Gray > suvoroff@aol.com > Bremerton, Wa -- AHHHH, now I understand. One fortunate side effect of the unfortunate problems in my hands is that I spend hours poring over the instructions and looking at the parts because I can't spend any time puting them together. I wanted to be sure as I am reaching this stage in my own construction. Sorry you had problems, but I hope you can take pride in the fact that you have helped many. And remember, it is easy to recognize pioneers: They are lying in the dust pincushioned in arrows or spears. -- This has been Mark and/or Mary Shannon at Shingend@ix.netcom.com History manages to get away with cliches no novelist could. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 17:35:44 -0500 From: The Shannons To: wwi Subject: Re: Help! Cleaning up hardened superglue: Message-ID: <33D92A40.460D@ix.netcom.com> Patrick Padovan wrote: > > Greetings: I'm glad to know that the list was silent yesterday, and that > it wasn't just at my end: I thought I'd been excommunicated! I need your > help with the following: > After weeks and weeks of neglect, I finally had a few moments to pick > up my Camel project again. I had previously filled the troughs in the > wings with cyanoacr, er, cyanoaccryl, er, gap-filling superglue, with the > intention of cleaning it up with acetone before it set. . . > Well, life intervened, and now the superglue is good and set. So, any > suggestions as to how I clean up the excess? I'm trying to avoid sanding, > as obviously the cryanoaccyl-whats-it is harder than the styrene, and I > don't want to lose surface detail. For the record, I used slow-drying > Zap-a-gap (green label). Should I: > 1. Keep patiently applying acetone with a swab, while geologic eras > pass? > 2. Use some other substance (Superglue-solvents?) > 3. Throw away these wings, and start over? > For the record, I'm working on a Revel 1/72 Camel kit. Anybody have any > suggestions? Anybody like to share an alternate method for filling those > wing slots? > Help! Patrick > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Patrick Padovan > Interlibrary Loan Associate > > Timberland Regional Library Voice: 360-943-5001 > 415 Airdustrial Way SW FAX: 360-586-6838 > Olympia, WA 98501-5799 e-mail: ppadovan@timberland.lib.wa.us > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- I think you're between a rock and a soft plastic. If you use acetone, it will attack the plastic faster than the cyanoacrylate (what he said). Sanding will be a bit less difficult, but you might be best starting with a "riffler file". These are the little files that are probably the best way to file down only what you want to file down. I've had good luck just using wetsanding in the cases where life interfered with plans to work on a seam or fill. I hope it works out for you, I can understand any frustration. -- This has been Mark and/or Mary Shannon at Shingend@ix.netcom.com History manages to get away with cliches no novelist could. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 18:11:24 -0500 From: Bill Bacon To: wwi Subject: Re: DETAIL FOR ENGINES Bristol Bulldog Jupiter VII F Message-ID: <33D9329C.80A0E23F@netjava.net> David, I have a data file with munchkin scale drawing of all versions of the Bulldog. I will be glad to copy all for you. Need snail mail address. Let me know. Airfix and Inpact/Pyro/Lindberg/Liflike did it in 1/72 and 1/48 respectivly. Both are the uncowled version. Cheers, Bill B. wbacon@netjava.net B-A-L wrote: > TO EVERYONE > > A bit of a CHALLENGE !!! > > THE PROBLEM > > I'm finishing off A Bristol Bulldog but the pipes which come off the > front of the cowl just behind the prop out of the collector ring and > then curve and split into two to connect with each side of the top of > the cylinders are horrid little suckers to model > > Has anyone got any ideas. I'm working in 1/48 on the old SMER kit and > hve completely remodelled the horrid pseudo Mercury (?) ecowl and > engine installation - I dont want to spoil it with a principal feature > > of the type that's clumsy - It'll make the fully detailed engine look > bloody silly. > > I'm also having a spot of bother with the cylinder fairings. Full size > > these are thin ali metal and hollow. They have a wedge shape and curve > > in to a " waisted" appearance ( looking front to rear ) with a dip or > concave section on the top. At the base they are fixed by rivets or > screws to the cowling and have, at this point, a noticable "skirt " of > > metal which runs down both sides of the fairing to provide this rivet > or screw mounting point AND THEY ARE VERY SMALL IN 1/48 > > What's the go ? Mould them solid and then excavate. I've tried thin > card but getting the wedge shape WITH the waist ( as I'm calling it ) > is a ruddy nightmare > > All contributions gratefully received !! > > Kind Regards > > DAVID R.L. LAWS ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 20:33:06 -0400 (EDT) From: BStett3770@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Help! Cleaning up hardened superglue: Message-ID: <970725203306_2059471687@emout15.mail.aol.com> Hi Pat Pacer (the superglue people) make a water based debonder. I've used it, and it will not damage the plastic as accetone will. Try your local Hobby Shop ,they should stock it. Keep Modeling Barry Rosemont Hobby ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 19:14:24 -0500 From: "Eli Geher" To: Subject: Re: Dayton OH AFB Message-ID: <199707260046.TAA08252@sh1.ro.com> Try contacting Mark Young . I believe Mark works there, and I know that his wife is the secretary in the museum's membership department. He's an active member of the Dayton IPMS chapter and is involved with the project to have IPMS members build a cabinet full of Air Force development aircraft for the museum. The e-mail address is a couple of years old, but I saw Mark at the Nationals just 2 weeks ago. I'm sure he'll point you in the right direction if he can't help you himself. Eli Geher ---------- > From: TIM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Dayton OH AFB > Date: Friday, July 25, 1997 7:56 AM > > Hi all > Does anybody out there have a Email adress for anybody > in the restoration department of the museum or any where in the > museum for that matter? If so please send me. > > Thanks ahead of time > TIM > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 21:17:43 -0400 (EDT) From: GRBroman@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Help! Cleaning up hardened superglue: Message-ID: <970725211740_1895434005@emout11.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 97-07-25 19:33:57 EDT, you write: << I've had good luck just using wetsanding in the cases where life interfered with plans to work on a seam or fill. I hope it works out for you, I can understand any frustration. -- >> I concur with Mark. I'v done this before. My past experience indicates that the belt sander is notoriuosly unforgiving of the wing root. :( Glen ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 23:10:48 -0400 From: bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Vacation/I'm outta here Message-ID: <199707260310.XAA29025@pease1.sr.unh.edu> Hi guys Off to Holland tomorrow. I'll be unsubscribing now and look forward to getting back on line on Aug. 17....I know, a looooong vacation. The real question is how to fill the daily fix for e-mail from this great group. I had enough withdrawl pains when the list went down for 3-4 days a month or so ago! Have fun. Be back soon. Mike Muth nb: Nothing. Waiting for inspiration for when I get back nl: Nothing. nr: The First Team. Recomended by someone on the list and it's just great. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 10:41:05 +0100 (BST) From: Sandy Adam To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: DETAIL FOR ENGINES Bristol Bulldog Jupiter VII F Message-ID: > David, > > > > Has anyone got any ideas. I'm working in 1/48 on the old SMER kit ... Please don't think this is smart alec advice - and it is way out of my speciality - but... I remember building dozens of Merit Bulldogs when I was in short pants and even then it was crude. I know the SMER reissue costs peanuts, but does the Lindberg reissue of the Inpact Bulldog not also cost peanuts in the land of its origin? My memories (only slightly more recent) of the Inpact Bulldog was that it was one of the crispest, best detailed, biplane kits available at the time (late sixties). Before you spend hours trying to make a silk purse out of a bulldog's ear, would it be impossible to outlay maybe less than 10 dollars (?) on the Lindberg and save much grief? As, I say, this is out of my territory and maybe my memories of Inpact are rose-coloured, but I wouldn't buy the Smer as anything but a present for a young beginner to start on. - Of course maybe that is the attraction and you are one of those self-flagellants who build Glencoe Albatri to show that it can be done - in which case I take my hat off to you. Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 07:30:50 -0500 From: kevinkim@interlog.com (barrett) To: wwi Subject: The Horror...The Horror Message-ID: To my long lost comrades! Hello again! My ISP mysteriously stopped forwarding my mail back on July 3. It has all been lost. :-( I've signed on to a new service and have finally been able to resubscribe to the list. Boy, have I missed you guys. My e-mail went down around the time I sent out the RAF Rigging Notes to several listmembers, so I don't know if they've arrived safe and sound. If anyone had any trouble, please let me know (in particular, Brad Gossen - I still have your set - what happened to the IPMS meeting back on the 7th?). Hope everyone is well... Kevin Barrett kevinkim@interlog.com PS: My wife is having a T-shirt printed up for me: " I survived the ISP crash of '97 " ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 624 *********************