WWI Digest 622 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) FT-17 kits (was Re: WW I Armor) by rjray@uswest.com (Randy J. Ray) 2) Re: WW I Armor by rjray@uswest.com (Randy J. Ray) 3) Laminate prop painting by Jim Wallace 4) Re: WW I Armor by Crofoot 5) Re: Eduard Albatros C.III by Bob Pearson 6) WWI BOOKS by BStett3770@aol.com 7) Re: WW I Armor by BStett3770@aol.com 8) Disposal lists by ModelerAl@aol.com 9) Re: Red-tailed Gotha by mbittner@juno.com 10) Re: Revell Morane N corrections by mbittner@juno.com 11) Re: Revell Morane N corrections by Michelle and Rory Goodwin 12) Re: Laminate prop painting by Michelle and Rory Goodwin 13) Re: Laminate prop painting by "Leonard Endy" 14) Re: Eduard Albatros C.III by The Shannons 15) RE: Was : Red-tailed Gotha by Shane Weier 16) Re: Ferko Collection by DavidL1217@aol.com 17) Re: Laminate prop painting by mbittner@juno.com 18) Re: New Subscriber by bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 19) Re: Eduard Albatros C.III by Suvoroff@aol.com 20) Is anybody out there by "TIM" 21) Re: Windsock/Aurora Fok D.VII by smodels@ne.infi.net 22) Re: Windsock by smodels@ne.infi.net ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 11:13:03 -0600 From: rjray@uswest.com (Randy J. Ray) To: wwi Subject: FT-17 kits (was Re: WW I Armor) Message-ID: <199707231713.LAA21637@tremere.ecte.uswc.uswest.com> >>>>> "Charles" == Charles Hart >>>>> wrote the following on Wed, 23 Jul 1997 12:10:07 -0400 Charles> Didn't someone also produce some monstrous 1/35 cast Charles> white metal FT-17 ?? Perhaps Hinchcliffe, the figure maker Charles> ?? You might have to build a special table in order to Charles> display it. Dunno about this, but Frontline Miniatures makes a superb resin FT.17 in 120mm scale (1/15). There was a review of it in the British publication Military In Scale no. 43 (May, 1996). It was set beside a 1/35 Abrams for comparison. It was smaller. Randy -- =============================================================================== Randy J. Ray -- U S WEST Technologies IAD/CSS/DPDS Phone: (303)595-2869 Denver, CO rjray@uswest.com "It's not denial. I'm just very selective about the reality I accept." --Calvin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 11:32:42 -0600 From: rjray@uswest.com (Randy J. Ray) To: wwi Subject: Re: WW I Armor Message-ID: <199707231732.LAA21735@tremere.ecte.uswc.uswest.com> >>>>> "Glen" == GRBroman >>>>> wrote the following on Wed, 23 Jul 1997 10:40:27 -0400 Glen> I haven't bult any of the resin Renaults ( Hmm, catchy name, Glen> yes?) but I believe them to be different, ADV is one, not Glen> sure of the other of the top of my head. Commanders has Glen> several versions in the US. MB Models also did one. The On The Mark Models brass set for the FT-17 fits the MB kit, because it was originally commissioned by MB, but the deal fell through (for various reasons) and so OTMM sells the sheet separately. Having talked to Mark about the upcoming RPM kit, I suspect he'll size his sheet against the new kit and re-do any artwork that doesn't fit. Glen> Unless you really want to do a Glen> resin, there are strong indications that an injection molded Glen> kit will be out on the market from our friends in the Eastern Glen> European market this year. Possibly by summers end. RPM is the outfit that has announced these, though RPM is one of those packaging names; the plastic could well be AER, Moldava, etc. There was a web site with scans of the box art, but I can't find it (I think it was Silverbird On-Line, but if so they've removed the art). Randy -- =============================================================================== Randy J. Ray -- U S WEST Technologies IAD/CSS/DPDS Phone: (303)595-2869 Denver, CO rjray@uswest.com "It's not denial. I'm just very selective about the reality I accept." --Calvin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 13:47:28 -0400 From: Jim Wallace To: wwi Subject: Laminate prop painting Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970723134728.0093e4f0@pop.atl.mindspring.com> Ok, I know the real way to do it is carve laminations of real wood. Aside from that, do any of the list members have any tips and tricks for painting props to look laminated? A recent WWI Aero has some good photos of props that appear to have six layers alternating light and dark wood. This is for a 1/28 Fokker D7. Any help is appreciated. Jim Wallace ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 12:58:12 -0500 From: Crofoot To: wwi Subject: Re: WW I Armor Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19970723125812.006951b8@computerpro.com> At 12:10 PM 7/23/97 -0400, you wrote: >>Hi Glen >> >>There are in the market about 3 companies offering the Renualt FT-17 in >>resin, >>in 1/35, two of them are French , is this the same kit or are they different ? >>I would like to make the kit but don't know which one to buy >> >>Any help? >> >>SALUDOS >> >>ALBERTO >> >>p.d. I have been looking for a long time for a Rolls Royce Armoured Car kit, >>know of any ? >> > > Didn't someone also produce some monstrous 1/35 cast white metal FT-17 >?? Perhaps Hinchcliffe, the figure maker ?? You might have to build a >special table in order to display it. > > FWIW about 7 or so years ago when Merlin released their DH-9A kit, it >was offered with a white metal kit of a RR Armoured Car. I have the DH-9A >but , sadly, not the RR. Oh Yes, the RR was 1/72. > >Charles > >hartc@spot.colorado.edu > > >The company that did the white metal FT-17 in 1/32 was Imrie-Risley Miniatures. They're still around and advertise in FS but I don't know if they still offer the kit. The web sight that has the box art for the RPM FT-17 is G P Hobbies in Poland. Their address is www.gphobby.krakow.pl/. Later, Tim > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 11:19:18 -0700 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: Eduard Albatros C.III Message-ID: <18191806102399@KAIEN.COM> Greetings, I would offer the following to those who are presently (or about to) attempt their Eduard Albatros C.III kits. Wait for the next issue of OTF before you do the markings, there will be a surprise on the rear cover. And for those of you who have already done so - time to buy those wigs to replace the hair you will have torn out :-) Bob Pearson ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 17:18:56 -0400 (EDT) From: BStett3770@aol.com To: wwi Subject: WWI BOOKS Message-ID: <970723171818_593449676@emout05.mail.aol.com> Hi Gang Just picked up a collection of WWI Books Have them listed on our Web Site www.swiftsite.com/rosemonthobby Just click on the home page listing for WWI Book Collection E-mail me off the NG if any one is interested in any of them. Barry Rosemont Hobby ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 17:44:46 -0400 (EDT) From: BStett3770@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: WW I Armor Message-ID: <970723174236_1861569629@emout09.mail.aol.com> The Merlin RR armored car was really bad. I have one, plan to used it for a fishing sinker. Barry Rosemont Hobby ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 18:00:52 -0400 (EDT) From: ModelerAl@aol.com To: wwi, pmatthew@morgan.ucs.mun.ca, 144model@chesco.com Subject: Disposal lists Message-ID: <970723175845_716435661@emout13.mail.aol.com> Can't get any modeling done due to the amount of e-mail I've been getting! My lists are now posted at "users.aol.com/modeleral". Have a look! Cheers, Al ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 17:42:07 -0500 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Red-tailed Gotha Message-ID: <19970723.174606.14222.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Wed, 23 Jul 1997 09:04:28 -0400 Shane Weier writes: >nba 1/48 Albatros W.4 Anyone got a cockpit shot, or do I make it >like a D.II? I have the Mini-Datafile, and there are no cockpit shots. I would just go ahead and model it like the D.II. BTW, what reference do you have for the D.II cockpit? Matt mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 17:46:04 -0500 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Revell Morane N corrections Message-ID: <19970723.174606.14222.2.mbittner@juno.com> On Wed, 23 Jul 1997 12:06:34 -0400 Charles Hart writes: > Volume 1 of Windsock featured an article on "correcting" the > Revell Morane Saulnier Type N. Quite a bit of work. Almost > easier to use the wings, wheels and prop (but not the spinner) > and scratch build the thing. I can dig at home and make you a > copy. Too much to type here. The article was also copied in The Best of Windsock, Vol. 1. Plus, I think it originally appeared in a Scale Models, but I don't know which issue. FWIW, if you're not upto scratch building - nor want to try your hand at the Hora resin - buy a Temens MoS Type I, and convert that. Loads easier than correcting the Revell. Matt mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 16:17:27 -0700 From: Michelle and Rory Goodwin To: wwi Subject: Re: Revell Morane N corrections Message-ID: <33D69106.F57@ricochet.net> Charles Hart wrote: > > >Didn't Rimel write a few lines on this & if so could someone send or > >e-mail 'em to me? > > > >TIA, > > > >Riordan > > Volume 1 of Windsock featured an article on "correcting" the Revell > Morane Saulnier Type N. Quite a bit of work. Almost easier to use the > wings, wheels and prop (but not the spinner) and scratch build the thing. > I can dig at home and make you a copy. Too much to type here. > > Charles > > hartc@spot.colorado.edu Charles, Thanks for the response/offer. I'd like to see what he did to a 32(?)-year-old kit. It seems a lot of Ray's "correction" projects are a lot of work. I've decided to accurrize the flying surfaces, cowl & maybe the undercarriage, and live with the overly tapered fuselage, rather than messing about with 1/16" shims. Cheers, -- Michelle and Riordan Goodwin Visit our websites: Michelle's Home/Resume Page: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/9171 Riordan's Wings of Revolution: http://www.serve.com/rgoodwin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 16:30:00 -0700 From: Michelle and Rory Goodwin To: wwi Subject: Re: Laminate prop painting Message-ID: <33D693F8.4319@ricochet.net> Jim Wallace wrote: > > Ok, I know the real way to do it is carve laminations of real wood. > > Aside from that, do any of the list members have any tips and tricks for > painting props to look laminated? > > A recent WWI Aero has some good photos of props that appear to have six > layers alternating light and dark wood. > > This is for a 1/28 Fokker D7. Any help is appreciated. > > Jim Wallace Jim, You are fortunate to be working in the jumbo scale for this, as it is probably very difficult in 1/72! I've given this some half-baked consideration, and I would consider a base coat of dark varnished wood/ parabolic masking and airbrushing lighter wood 'parabola' laminations. There are prop decals on one of the Superscale 1/48 D.VII sheets I have been intending to copy and use as a stencil/mask for this very purpose. You are welcome to copies of these, if you are interested. If this is in fact a silly idea, the other list members can be counted on to set us straight. Good luck, Riordan -- Michelle and Riordan Goodwin Visit our websites: Michelle's Home/Resume Page: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/9171 Riordan's Wings of Revolution: http://www.serve.com/rgoodwin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 23:56:58 GMT From: "Leonard Endy" To: wwi Subject: Re: Laminate prop painting Message-ID: <33d7998d.1819091@legend.firstsaga.com> On Wed, 23 Jul 1997 13:49:20 -0400, you wrote: >Aside from that, do any of the list members have any tips and tricks for >painting props to look laminated? > Hi Jim One method I used was to paint the prop a light brown/sand/beige type color, then I used strips of masking tape to mark off the prop and then I drybrushed a reddish-bown color to fill in the laminations. Worked pretty well and I was satisfied w/the results. Len Endy reply to: lfendy@firstsaga.com "Planes, Trains and...that's all that matters." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 19:10:05 -0500 From: The Shannons To: wwi Subject: Re: Eduard Albatros C.III Message-ID: <33D69D5D.1511@ix.netcom.com> Suvoroff@aol.com wrote: > > Mr. Schwartzkopf > Yes, about the floorboard with the kit, there is a long flat section the > engine sits on, a short vertical member, then the cockpit floorboard itself. > You might be better off cutting or bending the vertical section so the > cockpit floor is more forward, and the aft end of the engine section sits > lower. My engine has a slight tilt down towards the front I was never able > to eradicate. After my experience, do not do not do not glue the > cockpit/engine in until absolutely satisfied. > > Yours, > James D. Gray > suvoroff@aol.com > Bremerton, Washington -- I am also in the middle of this kit -- have been for a few months, unfortunately (new case of arthritis). I noticed the engine problem, myself. I would say that the correct fold, which is not clearly shown, is for the engine mount portion to actually be bent back beyond the vertical, so that it rests against the forward-most bracing in the cockpit area. I also had to take about 1/16" out of the cockpit and engine area on each side. I'm confused as to your problem, do you mean that the trimming of the engine mounts on the white metal parts needs to be more than shown in the instructions? I will second the information on the Tom's Modelworks German MG's package. These take a different approach to the guns than Eduard does. Instead of folding sheets into boxes to form the breech mechanisms, you need to cut and glue sheets of styrene into sandwiches with the brass parts. Be very careful -- the brass parts are very finely molded, and deform easily if you aren't careful in your handling when trimming them, and the thickness is not stated for the styrene card. I find that .015" seems to be right, maybe .010" -- it becomes a matter of feel and eyeball after a bit. Tom's also has a lot of VERY tiny fiddly bits for the cocking mechanism, sights, mounts, etc. The instructions are fairly clear, but could be better, and you will almost certainly need to look up as many clear photos as you can to get the relationships right. I wonder, shall we all get our Albatros C.III's entered into the WWI page soon? Everyone has their own favorite ways to show the early CDL and natural wood, it would be an interesting set of comparisons. -- This has been Mark and/or Mary Shannon at Shingend@ix.netcom.com History manages to get away with cliches no novelist could. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 10:46:44 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Was : Red-tailed Gotha Message-ID: Sandy comments: >>> dressing up in billowing black cloak and horsehair wig (not >>> simultaneously AFAIK) to name but two ! >>> > > >>> He should fit in here perfectly. > >I too had heard that about Australia. A Scot should be so facetious about men in skirts? ;-) Shane > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 20:57:42 -0400 (EDT) From: DavidL1217@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Ferko Collection Message-ID: <970723205557_716448632@emout07.mail.aol.com> Fliegertruppe 1 & 2 are nice. Keep an eye out for these! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 20:35:58 -0500 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Laminate prop painting Message-ID: <19970723.204130.11854.1.mbittner@juno.com> On Wed, 23 Jul 1997 13:49:22 -0400 Jim Wallace writes: >Aside from that, do any of the list members have any tips and tricks >for painting props to look laminated? I first airbrush with the lighter color (some "wood tan" color), then hand brush with a darker color (currently, Plaka Brown). I always work with a very clear, head on photo, but have to guess on the "back side". ;-) Matt mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 22:34:58 -0400 From: bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: New Subscriber Message-ID: <199707240234.WAA22252@pease1.sr.unh.edu> At 07:50 AM 7/23/97 -0400, Suvoroff@aol.com wrote: We're talking major. big time deletions... > I have loved aircraft of the Great War since I was a little kid and read >_They Fought for the Sky_ by Quentin Reynolds, I suppose it is riddled with >misinformation but it was a good introduction as a child, that and _American >Aircraft Modeller_ sustained my childish interest. Greetings and welcome to the list. That happened to be the first book I read on the subject also. It still holds a place of affection in my heart. Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 03:25:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Suvoroff@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Eduard Albatros C.III Message-ID: <970724032553_-2111477567@emout09.mail.aol.com> Paul; I beleive that the Albatros C.III construction is the same as the Albatros fighters, i.e. formed plywood over wood. I used as a general painting guide the NASM book on the restoration of their Albatros D.V, assuming that Albatros construction practice would be fairly uniform. James D. Gray suvoroff@aol.com Bremerton Washington ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 05:19:05 +0000 From: "TIM" To: wwi Subject: Is anybody out there Message-ID: <199707241222.IAA23114@pease1.sr.unh.edu> Hi all Its been 18 hours and I have not gotten any Email from you guys just checking to see if the rest of the worl disapeared or something. Its really pretty eerie! TIM ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 10:31:38 -0400 From: smodels@ne.infi.net To: wwi Subject: Re: Windsock/Aurora Fok D.VII Message-ID: <33D7674A.4E0A@ne.infi.net> Sandy Adam wrote: > > Latest issue - just released is 13/4 - Fokker D.VII Special with 6 pages > of A-Z devoted to kits - seems a bit too much to me, although I did like > seeing again the big Aurora 1/20 (or 1/19) screwdriver job that I'd > forgotten all about! At the recent IPMS National the guy at the next vendor table had one of these for $50. And the Se5a as well. He ended up selling them for $30 each. Also some K&B kits. Bob Sierra ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 10:37:24 -0400 From: smodels@ne.infi.net To: wwi Subject: Re: Windsock Message-ID: <33D768A4.73D0@ne.infi.net> Charles Hart wrote: > When Ray Rimell starts selling off his reference materials and kits I > begin to wonder just how much longer Albatros Publications Ltd will last. I haven't subscribed to Windsock in over 18 months. Ten dollars an issue for a magazine that no longer has much info in it. Several years ago WIndsock was packed with plans and articles on operational aircraft. Now its emphasis is on experimentals and weird one-offs. Little on modelling. Mr Rimell appears to be saving the good stuff for the Datafiles. But, come on, Re.7 and Aviatik C.I Datafiles? Several years ago these aircraft would have been featured in Windsock with plans, history and profiles. Bob Sierra ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 622 *********************