WWI Digest 616 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Just a bit off topic by Bill Bacon 2) Re: Just a bit off topic by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 3) Re: Just a bit off topic by "David Solosy" 4) Re: Eduard Rep, 1/72's, etc. by DavidL1217@aol.com 5) Nationals impressions by mbittner@juno.com (Matthew E Bittner) 6) WW1 Colours for Computers by Bob Pearson 7) Re: Nationals impressions by Bob Pearson 8) Re: Miekraft Models by TPTPUMPER@aol.com 9) Off topic: Part Deux by TPTPUMPER@aol.com 10) Meikraft Spad XIII by ModelerAl@aol.com 11) Re: Nationals impressions by "Eli Geher" 12) Re: Meikraft Spad XIII by Michelle and Rory Goodwin 13) More than a little help, please -- Albatri and Pfalz by The Shannons 14) Re: More than a little help, please -- Albatri and Pfalz by Bob Pearson 15) Re: Meikraft Spad XIII by DavidL1217@aol.com 16) Re: Nationals impressions by Shane Weier 17) Re: WW1 Colours for Computers by B-A-L 18) Re: Meikraft Spad XIII by BStett3770@aol.com 19) Re: Meikraft Spad XIII by TPTPUMPER@aol.com 20) Re: More than a little help, please -- Albatri and Pfalz by Michelle and Rory Goodwin 21) Re: More than a little help, please -- Albatri and Pfalz by TPTPUMPER@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 23:23:28 -0500 From: Bill Bacon To: wwi Subject: Re: Just a bit off topic Message-ID: <33D04140.D6D04166@netjava.net> Barry, Since it is the only game in town and at a reasonable price, I've seen them for $8 to $10 US, it seems to be areal good deal. I remember how impressed I was when they first came out. I built them all and found the Fury to be real weak in the landing gear. So much for fond memories for now. More to follow as I have started to clean up and, catalog all my stuff. Should have done it long ago. Found some of the damnedest stuff. Cheers, Bill B. BStett3770@aol.com wrote: > Hi Bill > > Yup forgot about the Impact kits, That was in the 1960's, I think. > I only remebered the Pyro releases. > Some old kits live forever. ( and not that bad for it's age) > > Barry > Rosemont Hobby ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 21:28:30 -0700 From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: Just a bit off topic Message-ID: <199707190428.AA08772@ednet1.orednet.org> No, no, guys! It's "Inpact", with an "n", not "Impact" with an "m" Cheers from the old curmudgeon, > >Barry, > >As with a number of things on this list, I manade to do a good job of >dating myself. There was something about old age and trickery doing >something. > >Cheers, > >Bill B. > >BStett3770@aol.com wrote: > >> Hi Bill >> >> Yup forgot about the Impact kits, That was in the 1960's, I think. >> I only remebered the Pyro releases. >> Some old kits live forever. ( and not that bad for it's age) >> >> Barry >> Rosemont Hobby > > > > > -- - Bill Shatzer bshatzer@orednet.org - - Cave ab homine unius libri! - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Jul 1997 20:58:06 +0800 From: "David Solosy" To: Subject: Re: Just a bit off topic Message-ID: 13063416019721@argo.net.au Bill wrote: I manade to do a good job of > dating myself. There was something about old age and trickery doing > something. > > Bill I must say that I haven't seen any sign of egoism in your mail so far, but dating yourself is more than just a bit off topic!!! ;-) Take a tip: stay indoors and stick with the plastic models. That way you'll come to no harm (unless you start glue or thinners sniffing!) Cheers David S ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Jul 1997 09:52:15 -0400 (EDT) From: DavidL1217@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Eduard Rep, 1/72's, etc. Message-ID: <970719095214_161705701@emout03.mail.aol.com> Any word from Marco - Polo / DML Rep? |___________ | | | Epitet: "We should have done the Camel" | | _O_ | | | | | | | | H | | | | ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Jul 1997 08:24:20 EST From: mbittner@juno.com (Matthew E Bittner) To: wwi Subject: Nationals impressions Message-ID: <19970719.082441.8191.0.mbittner@juno.com> I wanted to give my impressions of the 1/72nd WW1 a/c encountered at Nats. Yes, some of these are bound to be biased, so be aware (or is that beware?). Plus, I'm operating from memory, so if I leave some out, forgive me. In the 1/72nd biplane category: Steve Hustad's Pegasus Pfalz D.XII - what can I say, it's Steve? Wonderful job. Meikraft Dornier D.I - although getting the color wrong a job well done. When will these judges learn? Extremely reworked SE5a - really nice. The builder did a lot of extra detailing, and correcting of parts. Extremely well done. *Two* Airfix RE8's - Although both were built by different modelers, I thought I would lump them together. One done in an awfully red PC12, and the other as PC10. If it wasn't for a fingerprint on the top wing of the PC10 one, he would have beat out the SE5a for HM. Both extremely well done, but the PC10 one took a few more steps. Maqueot (SP?) Il'ya Muromets - wow. This sucker is huge. A very competent effort with only a few building flaws. Overall, though, quite impressive. Meikraft Siemens Schuckert D.I - really nice. Since Nieuports are a personal favorite, I looked this one over well (plus I have three D.I's waiting to build). The colors were "different" to my eyes, but we can't be too picky on colors, can we? Some weathering would have been nice, since I thought it was too clean. However, another competent effort, and my hats off to the builder. See, you can do good things with a Meikraft kit! ;-) Phoenix Caudron G.4 - done in Italian markings. However: peach? Peach? Where on earth would one come up with a peach aircraft? I'm thinking CDL, but this one's peach. Hmmm...I guess that's all I can say. :-( Blue Rider/Airfix DH9 - another well done effort. Besides some building flaws, overall well done. I didn't realize just how large this a/c is! Ragwings Pfalz D.I - really nicely done. Very petite, and it looked wonderful. Eduard Pfalz D.VIII/E.V - gads, there were at least five of these! To me, this kit is almost a no brainer. Unless you look at that gross lozenge, and every kit that kept the lozenge used the kit's! I guess this kit is a brainer, afterall. Although one of them got best OoTB, another faux paus (sp?) on the judges, since they thought the kit lozenge was correct. Blech. That's all I can remember. A good split between axis and allies, with axis taking over with all of those Eduard D.VIII's. I purposely left mine off the list, because then it would be too personal. ;-) Matt mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Jul 1997 07:38:11 -0700 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: WW1 Colours for Computers Message-ID: <14381114503410@KAIEN.COM> Greetings all, As most of you are aware I have been working on profiles for some time now. In the past these have all been painted by hand. However in return for this nifty new computer I have agreed that my future book work will be done by computer. To that end I am presently working on my master drawings in Adobe Illustrator/Photoshop. As I will also need to develop a palate of WW1 colours, I was wondering if anyone knows of the CMYK balance for the usual colours. Or if there is a book that gives CMYK numbers for the METHUEN handbook. I suppose I could scan them in and sample them myself if all else fails - actually I will probably try that anyway. Thanks Bob Pearson ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Jul 1997 08:30:38 -0700 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: Nationals impressions Message-ID: <15303803003442@KAIEN.COM> Just a quick thought on the judging. Don't the contestants have to provide documentation to support their choice of colour schemes? For what it's worth I enjoyed building the Il'ya Murometz. True it may not be totally accurate and requires a fair amount of extra work, but it is impressive. While my Blue Rider/Airfix DH9 was shot down from my bandroom ceiling by an overzealous drummer (no his name wasn't Archie) a few years ago and luckily only suffered a damaged u/c - which was good, as at the time it was my only completely rigged model :-) Bob Pearson ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Jul 1997 11:44:07 -0400 (EDT) From: TPTPUMPER@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Miekraft Models Message-ID: <970719114407_1827811898@emout20.mail.aol.com> Hi Guys! (First, are there any female list members? God forbid anything short of plolitical correctitude!) Anyway, I had mentioned talking to Meikraft, and that he had about 40 kit masters ready to go. Bob at Sierra asked, "Only 40?" Sorry, Bob, but the conversation took place about 2 years ago--I'm sure the number is more inflated by now. Gee, it's hard to walk into my local hobby shop without tripping over a stack of Meikraft kits. Is this covered somewhere in the FAQ? Have Fun!! IRA Campbell ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Jul 1997 12:10:56 -0400 (EDT) From: TPTPUMPER@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Off topic: Part Deux Message-ID: <970719121056_525890378@emout03.mail.aol.com> Hi Guys! Can any of you help with references on the Farman Moustique 1? I have a friend in Australia wanting to build a flying model. Apparently he has hit a wall. Anything is appreciated. Thanx much! Have Fun!! IRA Campbell ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Jul 1997 12:14:03 -0400 (EDT) From: ModelerAl@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Meikraft Spad XIII Message-ID: <970719115346_-1845077514@emout08.mail.aol.com> Picked this kit up at the Nats and was wondering if there's ever been any discussion of it on the Digest? Should it have a decal sheet? Mine didn't. And what's the veneer for? I paid $10 for it - was I ripped off? Should I get another one and dump my Revell and EXCI versions? TIA, Al ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Jul 1997 11:09:48 -0500 From: "Eli Geher" To: Subject: Re: Nationals impressions Message-ID: <199707191615.LAA09310@sh1.ro.com> IPMS/USA judging is primarily on workmanship. Documentation is not required, and in a contest the size of the National, the judges don't have time to look at it anyway. Some entrants provide "brag books", but these are almost exclusively examined by spectators. Why should anybody think that the judges are scholarly historians who are expert in all the arcane corners of an historic period? They are just experienced modellers who have not entered the class they are judging. This automatically excludes the most knowledgeable people in WWI modelling from judging the class. Anyway, it was a great turnout, win, lose or draw, and I'm proud to have been part of it! Eli Geher ---------- > From: Bob Pearson > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Nationals impressions > Date: Saturday, July 19, 1997 10:27 AM > > > Just a quick thought on the judging. Don't the contestants have to provide > documentation to support their choice of colour schemes? > > For what it's worth I enjoyed building the Il'ya Murometz. True it may not > be totally accurate and requires a fair amount of extra work, but it is > impressive. While my Blue Rider/Airfix DH9 was shot down from my bandroom > ceiling by an overzealous drummer (no his name wasn't Archie) a few years > ago and luckily only suffered a damaged u/c - which was good, as at the time > it was my only completely rigged model :-) > > Bob Pearson ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Jul 1997 10:24:40 -0700 From: Michelle and Rory Goodwin To: wwi Subject: Re: Meikraft Spad XIII Message-ID: <33D0F858.344C@ricochet.net> ModelerAl@aol.com wrote: > > Picked this kit up at the Nats and was wondering if there's ever been > any discussion of it on the Digest? Should it have a decal sheet? Mine > didn't. And what's the veneer for? > I paid $10 for it - was I ripped off? Should I get another one and dump > my Revell and EXCI versions? > TIA, > Al Al, Don't know the Meikraft kit, haven't seen much of the Revell kit, but IMHO, I'd say ditch the ESCI or perhaps use it for spare parts-wings might be modified for Airfix S.VII, for example (?). I gave mine away after exchanging the prop for the ESCI D.VII's. The Revell kits are fair to good overall, requiring some corrections, but for the money, one can't go wrong. And then there's all the Blue Rider decal options... -- Michelle and Riordan Goodwin Visit our websites: Michelle's Home/Resume Page: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/9171 Riordan's Wings of Revolution: http://www.serve.com/rgoodwin ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Jul 1997 13:50:09 -0500 From: The Shannons To: wwi Subject: More than a little help, please -- Albatri and Pfalz Message-ID: <33D10C61.7D4D@ix.netcom.com> For my recent birthday, I was given a kit of the Glencoe Pfalz D.III to give me all those wonderful markings choices. Could someone please point me toward the info we recently had on the kit corrections and the markings? Also, anyone able to point me toward the Datafile? I haven't been able to get ahold of it (Pfalz D.III and D.IIIa). I'd like to do the yellow nosed-green tailed D.III and also like to do the first choice in the Aeromaster Pfalz D.III collection -- the black stripes and shooting star design, but that is a D.IIIa with pointed lower wings and, apparently, a larger tail surface. Second, my son and I found the old Phoebus press "Weapons of WWI" and "Weapons of WWII" books at a used bookseller. These are similar to the Time-Life books in this country, I believe. Anyway, there are a couple of planes I'd like some help identifying. In one picture of Jasta 11 at Douai, MvR's Albatros D.III is the second plane from the front. The nearest plane is a D.III with what appears to be a natural wood fuselage and vertical fin with dark borders to the white background of the cross patee which forms a white band all around with an extra cross on the top of the fuselage, a wavy dark band forward of this, standard nose color, and dark spinner. The rudder appears to be light, but not white -- either a yellow or CDL. From the appearance, it is difficult to determine whether the dark stripe color is red or black. The wings are rather washed-out in the photo, but appear to be in normal lilac/green. Anyone know whose this is and can confirm the colors? Another photo shows an unidentified Jasta of Albatros D.Va's (at least the nearest one is clear enough to see the control wires). One of the planes has a dark spine with a straight dividing line over natural wood and only the portion of the cross on the fin is visible -- the rudder is white and unmarked. Another plane is the one I'm mainly interested in, it is in dark and white stripes, with the fuselage spiral banded (single dark band white band type -- not the fancier bands seen in Flying Colors). The wings are dark and white banded in chevrons centered on the CL, lower wings as well. The horizontal tail is also chevroned. The fuselage spiral ends just before the rudder cross and in a white band on the metal panel of the nose - dark spinner. The wheels are white with a dark band through the diameter. It looks similar in style to later aircraft identified as Bruno Loerzer's except spiral banded instead of vertical. Behind this plane are two dark D.III's with no distingishing markings. Anyone able to identify the Jasta and the aircraft and colors? Those who do can earn my eternal gratitude, and maybe help a poor starving old hobbyist. -- This has been Mark and/or Mary Shannon at Shingend@ix.netcom.com History manages to get away with cliches no novelist could. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Jul 1997 14:17:08 -0700 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: More than a little help, please -- Albatri and Pfalz Message-ID: <21170848503778@KAIEN.COM> Mark Shannon wrote..... > In one picture of Jasta 11 at Douai, MvR's Albatros D.III is the second > plane from the front. The nearest plane is a D.III with what appears to > be a natural wood fuselage and vertical fin with dark borders to the > white background of the cross patee which forms a white band all around > with an extra cross on the top of the fuselage, a wavy dark band forward > of this, standard nose color, and dark spinner. The rudder appears to > be light, but not white -- either a yellow or CDL. From the appearance, > it is difficult to determine whether the dark stripe color is red or > black. The wings are rather washed-out in the photo, but appear to be > in normal lilac/green. Anyone know whose this is and can confirm the > colors? I'm not sure of who flew it but it is D.2958/16 . This aircraft most likely bore red bands and wavy stripes, wheel covers and spinner. In some photos the stripe isn't very clear, however it carries all the way to the metal cowl band which is possibly in light grey. The rudder is CDL with Albatros logo, while wings may still be brown/green as it was an early D.III ordered in 1916. This is just off the top of my head so we may be corrected shortly from those searching diligently through their books. > > Another photo shows an unidentified Jasta of Albatros D.Va's (at least > the nearest one is clear enough to see the control wires). One of the > planes has a dark spine with a straight dividing line over natural wood > and only the portion of the cross on the fin is visible -- the rudder is > white and unmarked. Another plane is the one I'm mainly interested in, > it is in dark and white stripes, with the fuselage spiral banded (single > dark band white band type -- not the fancier bands seen in Flying > Colors). The wings are dark and white banded in chevrons centered on > the CL, lower wings as well. The horizontal tail is also chevroned. > The fuselage spiral ends just before the rudder cross and in a white > band on the metal panel of the nose - dark spinner. The wheels are > white with a dark band through the diameter. It looks similar in style > to later aircraft identified as Bruno Loerzer's except spiral banded > instead of vertical. Behind this plane are two dark D.III's with no > distingishing markings. Anyone able to identify the Jasta and the > aircraft and colors? I have seen this identified as Jasta 1 or Jasta 39 in Italy. If so, I would also like any clarification on this photo. A scan of it can be provided if necessary Bob Pearson ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Jul 1997 17:35:14 -0400 (EDT) From: DavidL1217@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Meikraft Spad XIII Message-ID: <970719173513_506486127@emout20.mail.aol.com> Actually, its a nice, inexpensive copy of the Czechmasters. Well worth $10. PD, down under, has a SPAD XIII in 1/72, I beleive. I would like to see a sheet for French SPADs to come out for mine. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Jul 1997 08:24:21 +1100 From: Shane Weier To: wwi Subject: Re: Nationals impressions Message-ID: <33D13085.77A8@qld.mim.com.au> Matthew E Bittner wrote: > > > Eduard Pfalz D.VIII/E.V - gads, there were at least five of these! Good God man! And I thought there was nothing new at the Nats. Yet here we have not only a new model, heretofore unknown, but of an aircraft also unheard of, and not one but FIVE built to competition standards. Tell me more !!!! > Although one of them got best OoTB, > another faux paus (sp?) on the judges, since they thought the kit lozenge > was correct. Blech. Seconding Eli's comment, I point out that the judges are generally not allowed to discriminate in that fashion. The problem is that it is not possible to have a panel of judges where all (or indeed any) know everything about everything. So to prevent harsh judging of subjects well known to the judges, or judging in ignorance on others, the choice is made to as far as possible judge on constructional skills. > Regards Shane ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Jul 1997 11:16:43 +1000 From: B-A-L To: wwi Subject: Re: WW1 Colours for Computers Message-ID: <33D166FB.4F39@eis.net.au> Bob, What a nifty idea In the meantime, if you have a reference conspectus for Methuen Colours giving the most commonly available commercial paint equivalents I'd be eternally grateful. There doesn't seem to be anything ( currently ) available on the net to help. If you are not the guru on this sort of thing is there anyone else who can Heeelllpp !! David R.L Laws ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Jul 1997 21:29:25 -0400 (EDT) From: BStett3770@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Meikraft Spad XIII Message-ID: <970719212426_-224221716@emout04.mail.aol.com> Hi Al The Miekraft Spads has a MSP of $17.95 , so you got it for a good price. No they had no decals. Barry Rosemont Hobby ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Jul 1997 21:59:04 -0400 (EDT) From: TPTPUMPER@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Meikraft Spad XIII Message-ID: <970719215903_-1641134553@emout10.mail.aol.com> Hi Guys! I've seen the Meikraft SPAD XIII for over $20US, so $10 is a good price. As Barry pointed out, no decal was provided. I was told in a phone conversation with Meikraft that it was to keep the cost down. He said that most real modelers would buy aftermarket decals anyway, such as the several sheets offered by PD (in 1/72 and 1/48). Does anyone know if the PD decals are still available? (I just traded for a Meikraft SPAD myself. . . ) Have Fun!! IRA Campbell ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Jul 1997 18:54:22 -0700 From: Michelle and Rory Goodwin To: wwi Subject: Re: More than a little help, please -- Albatri and Pfalz Message-ID: <33D16FCE.2524@ricochet.net> The Shannons wrote: > > For my recent birthday, I was given a kit of the Glencoe Pfalz D.III to > give me all those wonderful markings choices. Could someone please > point me toward the info we recently had on the kit corrections and the > markings? Also, anyone able to point me toward the Datafile? I haven't > been able to get ahold of it (Pfalz D.III and D.IIIa). Mark, I have a copy of the old Rimel "corrections" article, as well as the Profile and D.III Datafile, but you'll have to wait until Len's finished with the Datafile. I suppose he could just mail it to you when he's done. If you want a color copy of the plates in the Profile, send me about $4.00 to cover costs/shipping; if not, send me $2.00 for c/s. You'll have a bit of work converting the Glencoe Pfalz to a D.IIIa - lower wingtips and tailplane, you know. I highly recommend saving up and buying an Eduard kit rather than torturing yourself with the Glencoe. Whatever you do, don't let it get anywhere near the Datafile plans...you might get a bit discouraged. I do not have your mailing address, so please post it. Riordan -- Michelle and Riordan Goodwin Visit our websites: Michelle's Home/Resume Page: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/9171 Riordan's Wings of Revolution: http://www.serve.com/rgoodwin ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Jul 1997 22:13:29 -0400 (EDT) From: TPTPUMPER@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: More than a little help, please -- Albatri and Pfalz Message-ID: <970719221316_-2010605264@emout02.mail.aol.com> Hi Mark! The Datafiles on the Pfalz D.III and D.IIIa are available at Roll Models. The D.III Datafile lists at $13.25, the D.IIIa lists at $14.00. Add $5.00 for shipping. They are online at: http://www.rollmodels.com They take major credit cards and (I think) have a secure site for orders. Look 'em up to verify this. Hope this helps. Have Fun!! IRA Campbell ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 616 *********************