WWI Digest 613 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Nationals/Frustration by Patrick Padovan 2) Dornier D-I by "Joe Gentile" 3) Re: Books by Charles Hart 4) Re: Hora Kits Received by Patrick Padovan 5) Re: Lewis Gun Dimensions by "Brad Gossen" 6) Re: Copper State Models by Bob Pearson 7) Re: Copper State Models by "Brad Gossen" 8) Re: Books by "Brad Gossen" 9) Re: Books by Carlos Valdes 10) Going quiet. by Geoff Smith 11) Back on line by Brian Nicklas 12) Re: Back on line by mbittner@juno.com 13) Re: Copper State Models by mbittner@juno.com 14) Re: Nationals/Frustration by DavidL1217@aol.com 15) Re: Books by Alberto Rada 16) RE: Avro 504K Night Fighter by Shane Weier 17) Re: Copper State Models by "Brad Gossen" 18) Re: Copper State Models by Alberto Rada 19) Re: Copper State Models by "S.M.Sundberg" 20) Re: Copper State Models by mbittner@juno.com 21) Re: NIVO by "Bill Ciciora" 22) Re: Copper State Models by Alberto Rada 23) Re: varnish(doping) by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 24) Re: Avro 504K Night Fighter by Michelle and Rory Goodwin 25) test, don't read by "Valenciano . Jose" 26) Re: Copper State Models by Michelle and Rory Goodwin 27) Riordan's New Address (Off-topic) by Michelle and Rory Goodwin ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 11:06:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Patrick Padovan To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Nationals/Frustration Message-ID: David: I have to say I'm shocked and dismayed, not to mention deeply, deeply disappointed in you. I try to be broad minded, but really, this kind of thing is just totally inexcusable! How could you? "Lynched" is spelled with a "y", not an "i"! (ROTFL!) Ciao! Patrick ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Patrick Padovan Interlibrary Loan Associate Timberland Regional Library Voice: 360-943-5001 415 Airdustrial Way SW FAX: 360-586-6838 Olympia, WA 98501-5799 e-mail: ppadovan@timberland.lib.wa.us ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Tue, 15 Jul 1997 DavidL1217@aol.com wrote: > Matt, this is all good stuff. But did the manufacturers have anything to > allow. Did the Marco-Polo/DML guy get linched? > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 13:03:01 -0500 From: "Joe Gentile" To: "WWI Mail list" Subject: Dornier D-I Message-ID: <199707161816.NAA23521@Walden.MO.NET> There is a brief profile in the Harleyford Fighter book about this little bugger. In two of the photographs you can make out the pattern of the naval lozenge on the upper surface of the lower wing. From the text it seems that very few were produced and that it's greatest claim to infamy was that it was the aircraft that JG 1 Commander Reinhard was killed in while test flying it at the Aldershof fighter competion. Joe ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 12:31:01 -0700 From: Charles Hart To: wwi Subject: Re: Books Message-ID: Sandy wrote: >I missed most of the thread on 10 top books recently but agree with all >the choices suggested. >A couple that are worth mentioning may not be terribly highly regarded by >the colour police these days but fill me with enthusiasm every time I look >at them are the old James Phelan book "Aircraft and Fliers of the First >World War" and Christopher Campbell's "Aces and Aircraft of World War One" > >On the subject of books I have recently been able to buy (at horrendous >cost to bank balance and Wife's tolerance) many of the tomes missing from >my shelves from the disposal of the late Owen Thetford's collection. There >are still one or two that I am unsure of and ask for other's assessment. > >Several members have mentioned the 4 volumes of Imperial German Awards -do >they add much if you already have books like the Jasta Pilots and Over the >Front etc? Do they contain any new photographs? What would you expect the >going price to be? These 4 volumes on German air awards were printed in small numbers and 1-3 are quite difficult to find. I'll take them if you don't want them. About US$35.00 per volume might be the low end of the price range. I haven't seen enough of these to compare with OTF etc, so I'll refrain from further comment. >Is the BF Kettley source reference book worthwhile? Sadly, I am not familiar with this title. Could you enlighten us ? >If anybody is interested I found a bookshop with a full copy of original >Raleigh/Jones "The War in the Air" in excellent condition with all the >supplements etc. I drooled over the volume with all the maps - its in a >bound case to match the other volumes but has about fifty pull-out >fold-out maps all identified by letters on their spines - beautiful. If >you like books this set is Nirvana. Unfortunately the bookseller knew what >he had and the price is 1,100 GBP !!!!! Yes thats right about 1,800USD! >If anybody has won the Lottery/Las Vegas/Football Pools and wants to part >with this sort of money let me know. I'm sure they can afford to employ >me to buy it for them! No lottery winnings here yet, sadly. Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 11:34:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Patrick Padovan To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Hora Kits Received Message-ID: David: Re the Alb.DII: this is one of the kits I received and reviewed in detail earlier. Mine , too , was missing the header tank, so it is obviously not included, rather than left out by mistake (which is good to know.) You will note also that there is no detail on the fuselage itself, ie, the metal panels, which will have to be scribed or drawn. However, the Windorf radiators in my kit do have a very fine, accurate surface detail. Could you check yours again? I'm wondering if perhaps some of the molding detail is being lost on later runs of the kit? (I am not by any means an expert on resin casting technology, so I don't even know if this is a possible explanation.) Regards, Patrick ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Patrick Padovan Interlibrary Loan Associate Timberland Regional Library Voice: 360-943-5001 415 Airdustrial Way SW FAX: 360-586-6838 Olympia, WA 98501-5799 e-mail: ppadovan@timberland.lib.wa.us ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 14:38:50 -0400 From: "Brad Gossen" To: Subject: Re: Lewis Gun Dimensions Message-ID: <199707161842.OAA11179@smtp.globalserve.net> If that doesn't work try contacting Mr. Woodman. I spoke with him at last year's seminar in Washington and he mentioned that he still had quite a few copies himself. Write: Harry Woodman 10 The Byeway East Sheen London, England SW14 7NL Tel. 0181 878 1029 ---------- > From: Charles Hart > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: RE: Lewis Gun Dimensions > Date: Wednesday, July 16, 1997 1:38 PM > > >Thanks for the help folks! Does anyone know if Mr. Woodman's book on = > >early aircraft armaments is still in print? > > > > Decidedly out of print. A few months ago someone posted on this list > that the Aviation Bookshop in the UK had a few copies in stock for about > US$50.00 plus postage. I've not followed this up to find out if it was > true. I may have to now. FWIW this is an excellent book. > > Charles > > hartc@spot.colorado.edu > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 11:38:04 -0700 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: Copper State Models Message-ID: <18380498748103@KAIEN.COM> Steve, C&C(GB) 12/3 contains an article on the various Dornier aircraft and has a section on the D.I. HIH Bob Pearson ---------------- > At the Nats, I also picked up a Copper State Models, Dornier D.I............ > Finally, I've got no references. Any suggestions? > > TIA > > Steve Sundberg ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 15:03:04 -0400 From: "Brad Gossen" To: Subject: Re: Copper State Models Message-ID: <199707161907.PAA12001@smtp.globalserve.net> Steve, The Reference Source Guide to Military Aeroplanes 1914-1918 lists the following for the Dornier D1: - C&C Vol 12 #3 Vol 13 #2 -Fighters 1914-1918 (Harleyford) -German A/C WW1 (Owen & Thetford) -US Navy A/C 1914-1921 (Larkins) -USNMC Fighters (Harleyford) -WW1 Aero #120 -Das Buch der Deutschen Luftfahrtechnik (Lange & Hoffman) Brad BigglesRFC@globalserve.net ---------- > From: S.M.Sundberg > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Copper State Models > Date: Wednesday, July 16, 1997 12:51 PM > > At the Nats, I also picked up a Copper State Models, Dornier D.I.. It's > a neatly molded resin kit, the master by M. Digmayer. It has resin > major body parts and struts, MG.s, seat, exhausts, radiator, wheels, > underslung fuel tank. No other internal detail. Interior is pocket cut > out of nearly solid resin. Wings, stabilizer are solid with molded on > ailerons and elevators. Fin and rudder are molded separately. Included > are white metal engine, duplicate struts, MG.s. Also there is a sheet > of naval lozenge, about 4x8 inches and a set of national insignia. > There is a large sheet of detail drawings in 1/48 by M. Digmayer. > Separate sheets give some brief history, instructions and a set of > markings. This aircraft was apparently aluminum and fabric covered so > the lozenge is only used on the fabric portions, the rest painted a > light blue. Overall, the kit is very good, somewhat better than the > Hippo Aviatik Berg D.I., and includes decals. > > Finally, I've got no references. Any suggestions? > > TIA > > Steve Sundberg ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 15:16:52 -0400 From: "Brad Gossen" To: Subject: Re: Books Message-ID: <199707161919.PAA12390@smtp.globalserve.net> Sandy, I just finished posting a segment of the Kettley book to Steve re: the Dornier D1 so I guess it does come in handy, although with all the new material being published it's fast falling out of date. I do tend to rely fairly heavily on it these days. It sure saves time digging through the stacks. I saw an original War In The Air at 'Aerodrome '94'. I believe the asking price was $2500USD! Yours sounds like a bargain. I've heard recently that the Imperial War Museum reprinted it. Have you or anyone else on the list heard this ? Brad BigglesRFC@globalserve.net ---------- > From: Sandy Adam > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Books > Date: Wednesday, July 16, 1997 2:15 PM > > I missed most of the thread on 10 top books recently but agree with all > the choices suggested. > A couple that are worth mentioning may not be terribly highly regarded by > the colour police these days but fill me with enthusiasm every time I look > at them are the old James Phelan book "Aircraft and Fliers of the First > World War" and Christopher Campbell's "Aces and Aircraft of World War One" > > On the subject of books I have recently been able to buy (at horrendous > cost to bank balance and Wife's tolerance) many of the tomes missing from > my shelves from the disposal of the late Owen Thetford's collection. There > are still one or two that I am unsure of and ask for other's assessment. > > Several members have mentioned the 4 volumes of Imperial German Awards -do > they add much if you already have books like the Jasta Pilots and Over the > Front etc? Do they contain any new photographs? What would you expect the > going price to be? > > Is the BF Kettley source reference book worthwhile? > > If anybody is interested I found a bookshop with a full copy of original > Raleigh/Jones "The War in the Air" in excellent condition with all the > supplements etc. I drooled over the volume with all the maps - its in a > bound case to match the other volumes but has about fifty pull-out > fold-out maps all identified by letters on their spines - beautiful. If > you like books this set is Nirvana. Unfortunately the bookseller knew what > he had and the price is 1,100 GBP !!!!! Yes thats right about 1,800USD! > If anybody has won the Lottery/Las Vegas/Football Pools and wants to part > with this sort of money let me know. I'm sure they can afford to employ > me to buy it for them! > > Sandy > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 16:05:36 -0400 From: Carlos Valdes To: wwi Subject: Re: Books Message-ID: <2.2.16.19970716150124.2c37c308@conted.swann.gatech.edu> >Several members have mentioned the 4 volumes of Imperial German Awards -do >they add much if you already have books like the Jasta Pilots and Over the >Front etc? Do they contain any new photographs? What would you expect the >going price to be? Sandy, These are good for photos of pilots--usually not planes--and for info, sometimes extensive, on their careers; of course, they also provide data on the various awards. I think they are very nice and would like to go on record with the list members as wanting Vol. 1--if you come across it or would like to sell your copy, PLEASE contact me! (BTW, the three vols. I have have each cost me around $32; I believ the last two are still available.) Carlos ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 16:31:17 -0400 From: Geoff Smith To: LIST Subject: Going quiet. Message-ID: <199707161631_MC2-1AFC-AE86@compuserve.com> Hi, guys, Just a short note to say I'm off on holiday for a couple of weeks so I'm about to unsub from the list. Don't know how I'll cope with cold turkey b= ut if I survive without hanging myself I'll look forward to reading the digests. Stay healthy y'all and no bickering, Geoff. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 97 17:09:47 EDT From: Brian Nicklas To: Subject: Back on line Message-ID: <199707162113.RAA09031@pease1.sr.unh.edu> Back to the list after a brief trip and a great visit to the IPMS-USA Nationals. Very nice to see/meet Matt, Erik, Steve Hustad (congrats again!) and Bill Bacon plus many, many others. Steve's trench diorama and gas-masked attackers vingette (sic) have to be seen to be believed! Plus his (WWII) Heinkel He 177 surely should win a "Silk Purse from Sow's Ear" award since it came from an Airfix kit. And Matt, if you want to help me work up my Bf 109 with the detail set I got, come on down! ;-) Brian ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 18:28:50 -0500 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Back on line Message-ID: <19970716.183108.14550.2.mbittner@juno.com> On Wed, 16 Jul 1997 17:17:42 -0400 Brian Nicklas writes: >Back to the list after a brief trip and a great visit to the >IPMS-USA Nationals. >Very nice to see/meet Matt, Erik, Steve Hustad (congrats again!) >and Bill Bacon plus many, many others. >Steve's trench diorama and gas-masked attackers vingette (sic) >have to be seen to be believed! Plus his (WWII) Heinkel He 177 >surely should win a "Silk Purse from Sow's Ear" award since >it came from an Airfix kit. It was great meeting you, Brian. Even though you build... >And Matt, if you want to help me work up my Bf 109 with the >detail set I got, come on down! ;-) ...not in a million years! Gads, ! Just for that, you have to *correctly* build - and to scale - the Merlin Fokker D.VIII/E.V. Heh heh... Matt mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 18:27:02 -0500 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Copper State Models Message-ID: <19970716.183108.14550.1.mbittner@juno.com> On Wed, 16 Jul 1997 12:50:25 -0400 "S.M.Sundberg" writes: >Finally, I've got no references. Any suggestions? As was already stated, the best reference is C&CI, Vol 12 No 3. However, to new for the one list, WW1 Aero #155 also has drawings in it. If you're interested in either, let me know and I'll shoot some photocopies for you. BTW, the third place winner in the 1/72nd Bipes category was a Meikraft Dornier D.I. You can tell that the judges have no clue, since it was painted a purple-grey all over. Barry and I speculated years ago that it wasn't painted "grey" (as Meikraft would have you paint it) but natural alumin. Plus, I have a theory that some of the ones that made it to the states (there were two: one for the Navy and one for the AAC) had natural doped linen on the fabric areas, instead of the lozenge. FWIW, I have *six* Meikraft D.I's; I want to model all that were built. Am I crazy, or what? ;-) Matt mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 19:41:47 -0400 (EDT) From: DavidL1217@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Nationals/Frustration Message-ID: <970716194010_1245387321@emout08.mail.aol.com> A Linch is good as a Myle. David ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 19:47:59 -0400 From: Alberto Rada To: wwi Subject: Re: Books Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970716194759.0068c830@pop.true.net> Hi there Volumes II III and IV are available at Aeroplane Books in Williamsbourg Aeroplane Books Volume I , I am also looking for it SALUDOS ALBERTO At 04:17 PM 16-07-97 -0400, you wrote: > >>Several members have mentioned the 4 volumes of Imperial German Awards -do >>they add much if you already have books like the Jasta Pilots and Over the >>Front etc? Do they contain any new photographs? What would you expect the >>going price to be? > >Sandy, > These are good for photos of pilots--usually not planes--and for >info, sometimes extensive, on their careers; of course, they also provide >data on the various awards. I think they are very nice and would like to go >on record with the list members as wanting Vol. 1--if you come across it or >would like to sell your copy, PLEASE contact me! (BTW, the three vols. I >have have each cost me around $32; I believ the last two are still available.) > Carlos > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 09:55:41 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Avro 504K Night Fighter Message-ID: James asks, Finally, what does NIVO actually stand for? and the answer is.... drum roll folks..... Night Invisible Varnish Orfordness A dark, somewhat greyish green, developed at Orfordness for use on night fighters and bombers. Used for much of the interwar period too. Regards Shane (who can give you a long and scholarly article on the whys, wherefores and uses of NIVO if you're interested in such detail) > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 20:13:57 -0400 From: "Brad Gossen" To: Subject: Re: Copper State Models Message-ID: <199707170017.UAA18725@smtp.globalserve.net> Matt/Steve, If you want some fuel for your theory, on page 24 of U.S. Navy Aircraft 1914-1921, there is a good close up of the Navy's D1 showing CDL aeilerons, rudder and elevators. There is a Navy serial stencilled on the fabric, and I suppose it's possible that the Navy recovered the control surfaces but you never know. It also shows the control cable access panels opened in the wing and fuselage. There is no sign of former national markings, lozenge, or paint of any kind for that matter. If anyone is interested in a copy let me know. Brad ---------- > From: mbittner@juno.com > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Copper State Models > Date: Wednesday, July 16, 1997 7:38 PM > > On Wed, 16 Jul 1997 12:50:25 -0400 "S.M.Sundberg" > writes: > > >Finally, I've got no references. Any suggestions? > > As was already stated, the best reference is C&CI, Vol 12 No 3. However, > to new for the one list, WW1 Aero #155 also has drawings in it. If > you're interested in either, let me know and I'll shoot some photocopies > for you. > > BTW, the third place winner in the 1/72nd Bipes category was a Meikraft > Dornier D.I. You can tell that the judges have no clue, since it was > painted a purple-grey all over. Barry and I speculated years ago that it > wasn't painted "grey" (as Meikraft would have you paint it) but natural > alumin. Plus, I have a theory that some of the ones that made it to the > states (there were two: one for the Navy and one for the AAC) had > natural doped linen on the fabric areas, instead of the lozenge. > > FWIW, I have *six* Meikraft D.I's; I want to model all that were built. > Am I crazy, or what? ;-) > > > Matt > mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 20:17:48 -0400 From: Alberto Rada To: wwi Subject: Re: Copper State Models Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970716201748.00c24c3c@pop.true.net> Hi What scale is this Dornier ? SALUDOS ALBERTO At 12:51 PM 16-07-97 -0400, you wrote: >At the Nats, I also picked up a Copper State Models, Dornier D.I.. It's >a neatly molded resin kit, the master by M. Digmayer. It has resin >major body parts and struts, MG.s, seat, exhausts, radiator, wheels, >underslung fuel tank. No other internal detail. Interior is pocket cut >out of nearly solid resin. Wings, stabilizer are solid with molded on >ailerons and elevators. Fin and rudder are molded separately. Included >are white metal engine, duplicate struts, MG.s. Also there is a sheet >of naval lozenge, about 4x8 inches and a set of national insignia. >There is a large sheet of detail drawings in 1/48 by M. Digmayer. >Separate sheets give some brief history, instructions and a set of >markings. This aircraft was apparently aluminum and fabric covered so >the lozenge is only used on the fabric portions, the rest painted a >light blue. Overall, the kit is very good, somewhat better than the >Hippo Aviatik Berg D.I., and includes decals. > >Finally, I've got no references. Any suggestions? > >TIA > >Steve Sundberg > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 20:15:56 -0500 From: "S.M.Sundberg" To: wwi Subject: Re: Copper State Models Message-ID: <33CD724D.53F6@netins.net> Alberto Rada wrote: > > Hi > > What scale is this Dornier ? > > SALUDOS > > ALBERTO snip > > > > 1/48 scale Further Information: Copper State Models 3245 E. Hillery Dr. Phoenix, AZ 85032 Phone hours: M-F 0800-1800 1-602-867-8822 FAX 1-602-867-1984 Their new kit lists includes a Pfalz DXII, Halberstadt Cl IV for 1997 and planned for 1998 are an Albatrox W4, Fokker DV, Pflaz Dr.I, Nieuport IX/X, Pfalz DIIIa, and SE5. I don't know if these are ex-Tom's kits, but the list looks familiar. HTH Steve Sundberg ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 21:03:07 -0500 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Copper State Models Message-ID: <19970716.210314.16198.1.mbittner@juno.com> On Wed, 16 Jul 1997 20:24:29 -0400 "Brad Gossen" writes: > If you want some fuel for your theory, on page 24 of U.S. Navy > Aircraft 1914-1921, there is a good close up of the Navy's D1 > showing CDL aeilerons, rudder and elevators. There is a Navy > serial stencilled on the fabric, and I suppose it's possible > that the Navy recovered the control surfaces but you never know. > It also shows the control cable access panels opened in the wing > and fuselage. There is no sign of former national markings, > lozenge, or paint of any kind for that matter. If anyone is > interested in a copy let me know. Yes, I am very interested, thank you. Matt Bittner 11213 Y St Omaha NE 68137 Matt mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 21:28:53 -0500 From: "Bill Ciciora" To: Subject: Re: NIVO Message-ID: Charles asks: > would it have been applied to "operational" AVRO 504 night fighters ? > Hadn't most of the AVROs been phased out in favor of Be s and Bristol > Fighters ?? _Above the Trenches_ pages 26-27 shows the 1918 RAF Order of Battle. Home Defence Squadrons 33, 77, and 90 are shown as equipped with Avro 504 (NF). No BE squadrons are shown for 1918; the other Home Defence Squadrons are equipped with Camels or F2Bs, and 61 Squadron a combo of SE5As and Camels. Bill C. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 23:02:34 -0400 From: Alberto Rada To: wwi Subject: Re: Copper State Models Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970716230234.0068d010@pop.true.net> OK I asked the question But you know what you have done, more interesting kits in 1/48 , I am seriously thinking of changing my religion from Judaism to Buddhism as I will be needing about 2 or 3 more lives to make all the models I want . Now seriously thanks a lot, Is the only way to buy from him direct ? Do you have a list of available kits ? Thanks a Lot Congratulations to all those who are back from Nirvana, sorry the Nats, well come back , we didn't envy you , naw , not at all . . . Please all those back, any comments on the dry transfer, I will prepare the material to be sent next week to Woody, so if you want any particular thing in, now is the time SALUDOS ALBERTO At 09:26 PM 16-07-97 -0400, you wrote: >Alberto Rada wrote: >> >> Hi >> >> What scale is this Dornier ? >> >> SALUDOS >> >> ALBERTO >snip >> > >> > >1/48 scale > >Further Information: >Copper State Models >3245 E. Hillery Dr. >Phoenix, AZ 85032 > >Phone hours: M-F 0800-1800 1-602-867-8822 >FAX 1-602-867-1984 > >Their new kit lists includes a Pfalz DXII, Halberstadt Cl IV for 1997 >and planned for 1998 are an Albatrox W4, Fokker DV, Pflaz Dr.I, Nieuport >IX/X, Pfalz DIIIa, and SE5. >I don't know if these are ex-Tom's kits, but the list looks familiar. > >HTH > >Steve Sundberg > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 20:12:33 -0700 From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: varnish(doping) Message-ID: <199707170312.AA10662@ednet1.orednet.org> In our last episode, Tim was typing: > >Hi everyone > Please forgive me for my ignorance but iI often >feel like a babe in the woods amongst you guys. can somebody explain >the process used to varnish or dope the aircraft fabric particulary >on german aircraft. Also (here it comes again) where would the seems >on a dr1's fuselage and wings have been located? Are you inquiring about the streaky olive scheme seen on the Fokker Dr. I's and early D.VII's (among others)? If so, this finish was applied with a brush - just draging the brush over the fabric for the entire length of the fabric to be covered and then repeating the process on the next place over. The brush was not re-dipped in the colored dope until it was almost dry which accounts for the streaky nature of the resulting finish. The brush strokes were vertical on the fuselage sides but diagonal on the fuselage top and tail surfaces and at a slight angle on the wings. The stitching on the Dr.I fuselage was smack down the middle of the under fuselage. > thanks you guys are the best! > TIM Ah, shucks. Cheers, -- - Bill Shatzer bshatzer@orednet.org - - Cave ab homine unius libri! - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 20:20:37 -0700 From: Michelle and Rory Goodwin To: wwi Subject: Re: Avro 504K Night Fighter Message-ID: <33CD8F85.52B7@ricochet.net> Shane Weier wrote: > > James asks, > > Finally, what does NIVO actually stand for? > > and the answer is.... > > drum roll folks..... > > Night Invisible Varnish Orfordness > > A dark, somewhat greyish green, developed at Orfordness for use on night > fighters and bombers. Used for much of the interwar period too. > > Regards > > Shane > (who can give you a long and scholarly article on the whys, wherefores > and uses of NIVO if you're interested in such detail) > > I seem to remember an reading an article about NIVO in Windsock or C&C... -- Michelle and Riordan Goodwin Visit our websites: Michelle's Home/Resume Page: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/9171 Riordan's Wings of Revolution: http://www.serve.com/rgoodwin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 12:02:52 +0800 (GMT+0800) From: "Valenciano . Jose" To: wwi Subject: test, don't read Message-ID: ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 20:49:08 -0700 From: Michelle and Rory Goodwin To: wwi Subject: Re: Copper State Models Message-ID: <33CD9634.27E3@ricochet.net> Alberto Rada wrote: > > OK I asked the question > > But you know what you have done, more interesting kits in 1/48 , > I am seriously thinking of changing my religion from Judaism to Buddhism > as I will be needing about 2 or 3 more lives to make all the models I want . > > Now seriously thanks a lot, > > Is the only way to buy from him direct ? > > Do you have a list of available kits ? > > Thanks a Lot > > Congratulations to all those who are back from Nirvana, sorry the Nats, > well come back , we didn't envy you , naw , not at all . . . > > Please all those back, any comments on the dry transfer, I will prepare the > material to be sent next week to Woody, so if you want any particular thing > in, now is the time Did someone already suggest control cable hole grommets/ports /reinforcements, e.g., ovals for Nieuport horizontal stabs, etc? -- Michelle and Riordan Goodwin Visit our websites: Michelle's Home/Resume Page: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/9171 Riordan's Wings of Revolution: http://www.serve.com/rgoodwin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 20:56:39 -0700 From: Michelle and Rory Goodwin To: wwi Subject: Riordan's New Address (Off-topic) Message-ID: <33CD97F7.50E3@ricochet.net> Comrades, I've betrayed the Party and moved into a bourgeous residential collective (condo): 3865 Burton Common Fremont, CA 94536 USA -- Michelle and Riordan Goodwin Visit our websites: Michelle's Home/Resume Page: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/9171 Riordan's Wings of Revolution: http://www.serve.com/rgoodwin ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 613 *********************