WWI Digest 611 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Resin question by Hirohisa Ozaki 2) Re: Resin question by Crofoot 3) Re: Resin question by "David Solosy" 4) Hello again! by Sandy Adam 5) Re: Glencoe Pfalz D.III markings. by Sandy Adam 6) Re: Resin Question by James Gibbons 7) Lewis Gun Dimensions by James Gibbons 8) Re: Lewis Gun Dimensions by Sandy Adam 9) Re: Lewis Gun Dimensions by "Paul Schwartzkopf" 10) Re: Glencoe Pfalz D.III markings: Leonard: by Patrick Padovan 11) Nationals/Frustration by bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 12) Re: Nationals/Frustration by mbittner@juno.com 13) Re: Resin question by BStett3770@aol.com 14) Re: Glencoe Pfalz D.III markings: by "Leonard Endy" 15) Re: Nationals/Frustration by DavidL1217@aol.com 16) Re: Nationals/Frustration by JimMaas@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 09:59:34 +0900 From: Hirohisa Ozaki To: wwi Subject: Re: Resin question Message-ID: <9707150059.AA10133@zoo.miln.mei.co.jp> You can correct it easily to use hair dryer. I have corrected warped wing of Waldo brandenburg W.29 this way. HTH Hiro. > I picked up a CM resin kit at Nats. Unfortunately the top wing is > warped. What can I do to straighten it out? TIA! > > > Matt > mbittner@juno.com > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 21:20:49 -0500 From: Crofoot To: wwi Subject: Re: Resin question Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19970714212049.006951b8@computerpro.com> At 08:48 PM 7/14/97 -0400, you wrote: >I picked up a CM resin kit at Nats. Unfortunately the top wing is >warped. What can I do to straighten it out? TIA! > > >Matt >mbittner@juno.com > Matt, I know that some people use hot water to soften the resin so that it can be straightened but personally, I prefer using a blow dryer. I just lay the wing on a flat surface like a counter top and hit it with hot air until it lies flat. You can then let it cool. Be careful or you'll end up with an airborne wing flying across the room. Later, Tim ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 10:23:17 +0800 From: "David Solosy" To: Subject: Re: Resin question Message-ID: 02310649607184@argo.net.au Matt Bittner wrote: >> I picked up a CM resin kit at Nats. Unfortunately the top wing is > warped. What can I do to straighten it out? TIA! > > Matt, when using hair dryer or hot water be careful not to concentrate too much heat on very thin trailing edges. I speak from bitter experience. One of my CM resins suffered badly warped wings and fuselage halves (the Pfalz D.III). It was easily (albeit patiently) rectified with hair dryer. Of course, that's one of the problems with resin - it is very heat sensitive. Hope it works for you. David S ------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 11:39:24 +0100 (BST) From: Sandy Adam To: wwi group Subject: Hello again! Message-ID: Hi guys - I have just returned from my Italian holiday and realised as soon as I switched my PC on that I had forgotten to unsubscribe - wow 360 messages! Some things never change - when I left we had just had a ding dong about bloody old Richthofen - when I come back we are talking about bloody old 425/17! I'm sorry I wasn't able to meet up with Franco but wife and children vetoed trip to Milano in favour of Venezia. I did manage to slip off on my own though to the Vittoriale and drool over D'Annunzio's SVA as well as the boats and memorabilia. Anyway its nice to be connected again! Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 11:49:06 +0100 (BST) From: Sandy Adam To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Glencoe Pfalz D.III markings. Message-ID: Patrick asked about the transfers with this kit and I would advise a little caution here. Maybe I'm too picky and this may not bother others so much but I can't thole (good Scottish word!) out of register markings. The white on my Glencoe Scalemaster sheet is slightly offset and the crosses are noticeably out. If you are buying this for 4011/17, you will have to touch up black and red with a brush as there are areas of white where there shouldn't be. If you buy the kit to build, you will get plenty of options to choose from but one or two that are slightly less good - if you buy primarily for the transfers you may be disappointed. Sandy PS markings should fit Glencoe/Blue Max DIII/IIIa's. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 08:13:34 -0400 From: James Gibbons To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: Re: Resin Question Message-ID: <01BC90F7.04AB7A80@jgibbons.together.net> Matt, I was told by Barry at Rosemont Hobby that you could "temper" (his word) = the wings on resin kits to straighten them (and he also indicated that = this might reduce future warping). He recommended immersing them in = very hot (boiling??) water and then pressing them flat (or with the = correct dihedral I would assume) until they cooled. Haven't tried this = myself, but for what its worth..... James Gibbons ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 10:11:09 -0400 From: James Gibbons To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: Lewis Gun Dimensions Message-ID: <01BC9107.736C3080@jgibbons.together.net> I was wondering... Does anyone have the dimensions (length overall, = magazine diameter and magazine thickness in particular) for Lewis guns. = I have Lewis guns (plastic, lead, etc) in all sizes and I was sort of = wondering which one(s) were correct. Thanks in advance! James Gibbons ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 17:10:30 +0100 (BST) From: Sandy Adam To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Lewis Gun Dimensions Message-ID: On Tue, 15 Jul 1997, James Gibbons wrote: > I was wondering... Does anyone have the dimensions (length overall, = > magazine diameter and magazine thickness in particular) for Lewis guns. = > I have Lewis guns (plastic, lead, etc) in all sizes and I was sort of = > wondering which one(s) were correct. Thanks in advance! If you are interested in this you should get a look at Harry Woodman's book "Early Aircraft Armament" which details Mk I to Mk III Lewis guns in plans with scales attached. The actual dimensions depend on what type of handle/mount/sight/flash eliminator/cooling jacket etc might be fitted that no simple answer would really be accurate. Also the RFC, RNAS and French decided on different patterns of gun depending on how they wished to protect the vulnerable gas cylinder from denting. Even the ammunition drums varied within the standard 47 and 97 round designs with early drums being reinforced or having wire or leather loops or straps attached for easier/safer handling. As always the best bet is to work from a photograph of a particular machine. Could be that several of your scale Lewis's are different but accurate. Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 12:33:23 +0000 From: "Paul Schwartzkopf" To: wwi Subject: Re: Lewis Gun Dimensions Message-ID: <199707151737.MAA11309@tscrypt1.transcrypt.com> James, FWIW, I have some Wylam drawings that show some overall dimensions of Lewis guns. The "thick" barreled (1915?) gun is shown as 40 1/2 inches in length, and the "thin" barreled (1918?) gun is given at 40 5/8 inches in length. A 96 shell magazine drum is shown as being 8 1/16 inches in diameter, and 2 3/32 inches high. I am not sure of the accuracy, as many of Wylam's drawings have come under criticism, but I still use them myself for quick references. Hope this helps. Paul A. Schwartzkopf =================================================================== Development Engineer--Software Transcrypt International, Inc. Telephone: (402) 474-4800 E-Mail: pauls@transcrypt.com =================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 10:58:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Patrick Padovan To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Glencoe Pfalz D.III markings: Leonard: Message-ID: Greetings, Leonard: Forgive me if this is a stupid question, but I haven't seen the Glencoe markings yet, so I'm wondering if they include serial numbers for any of the questionable machines? Pilots might well have kept the same markings when replacing their D.III with a D.IIIa, but obviously, not the serial. I'll go ahead and send this, with prior apologies for stating the obvious. Ciao! Patrick ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Patrick Padovan Interlibrary Loan Associate Timberland Regional Library Voice: 360-943-5001 415 Airdustrial Way SW FAX: 360-586-6838 Olympia, WA 98501-5799 e-mail: ppadovan@timberland.lib.wa.us ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Mon, 14 Jul 1997, Leonard Endy wrote: > On Mon, 14 Jul 1997 14:05:37 -0400, you wrote: > > > Greetings, all: Any opinions as to wether or not it might be worthwhile > >to get the Glencoe Pfalz just for the decals (to use them on the Eduard?)? > >Anybody out there got both kits, who might be willing to compare the > >relative dimensions of the two, so as to get an idea if the Glencoe decals > >might fit the Eduard? Just wondering. > > Regards, Patrick > > I haven't measured anything yet but the general outline seems pretty close > and although I bought the Glencoe to build I figure I'll use at least one > set of markings on the Eduard. > > The reason for the original post was because the D.IIIa data file contains > pictures of planes that wore markings identical to the ones included w/the > Glencoe kit. I can always assume that some pilots, when upgrading to the > D.IIIa, had the new machines marked almost identically. > > > Len Endy > reply to: lfendy@firstsaga.com > "Planes, Trains and...that's all that matters." > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 17:58:52 -0400 From: bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Nationals/Frustration Message-ID: <199707152158.RAA04937@pease1.sr.unh.edu> Hi everyone I ended up going to nationals, even though it wasn't originally planned. Unfortunately, I left before all the e-mail came in about meeting on Saturday. I dropped by on, you guessed it, Friday and only saw 1 or 2 people. Definitely a let down as I was looking forward to meeting many of you. Lots of WWI airplanes in 1/48, 1/72 and a few in 1/32. A few beautiful scratchbuilt jobs. I never did learn who won, etc. but there was a beautiful DVa in 1/48 that I thought stood out. The 1/72 pretty much all looked great. Some really beautiful paint jobs on cowlings, etc. Surprisingly, the most numerous planes actually flown(SE5a's, Nieuports, AVRO 504 trainer, Jennys, etc.) were not well represented numerically. I was glad I showed up, just to see how good a lot of you guys are ! The flea market for models was sort of mixed. Some prices were so outrageous I walked out of the rooms(Meikraft Albatros D-I, II : $40.00! Revel Nie. 17c $13.00, Aurora Bristol $90.00{although the table in the next room had it for $35.00} ). Others seemed right, but very few "finds", unless the rest of this list grabbed them up before I got there. I ended up getting a Albatros D Seaplane and a Hasegawa F4B(at least it has 2 wings!). Stayed with a friend about 80 miles SE of Columbus and saw a sign for an airshow in Lancaster, Ohio. Great airshow in a small, friendly airport. No WWI stuff, but a Wildcat, Avenger, Mustangs, Stearmans, Texans, and 2 Mitchells. Ah well, back to work for 2 weeks before the real vacation in Holland. Plan on visiting the museum and will try to get some good photos of any appropriate aircraft!. End of long winded message! Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 18:04:47 -0500 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Nationals/Frustration Message-ID: <19970715.180448.16262.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Tue, 15 Jul 1997 18:00:08 -0400 bucky@postoffice.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) writes: > I ended up going to nationals, even though it wasn't originally > planned. Unfortunately, I left before all the e-mail came in > about meeting on Saturday. I dropped by on, you guessed it, > Friday and only saw 1 or 2 people. Definitely a let down as I > was looking forward to meeting many of you. Total bummer! I would have liked to meet you. Unfortunately for the meeting, Erik Pilawskii and I were with my folks at the AF Museum Friday. > Lots of WWI airplanes in 1/48, 1/72 and a few in 1/32. A few > beautiful scratchbuilt jobs. I never did learn who won, etc. but > there was a beautiful DVa in 1/48 that I thought stood out. The > 1/72 pretty much all looked great. Some really beautiful paint > jobs on cowlings, etc. Surprisingly, the most numerous planes > actually flown(SE5a's, Nieuports, AVRO 504 trainer, Jennys, > etc.) were not well represented numerically. I was glad I > showed up, just to see how good a lot of you guys are ! Let's see if I remember this. The following wins are WW1 content only: 1/72nd Biplanes: Steve Hustad's Pegasus Pfalz D.XII took second(!) A Meikraft Dornier D.I took third An SE5a took Honorable Mention If this would have been split the right way, Steve would have (he should have anyway) took first. Heck, then I would have had a chance! ;-) 1/72nd Conversions: Steve Hustad took second with his Pfalz D.VIII 1/72nd Scratchbuilds: Bill Devins Hansa-Brandenburg W.20 took third Steve Hustad's Albatros Dr.II took second 1/48th Biplanes: The only one I remember was first place; a beautifully done Eduard D.V, all black in Udet's (?) markings. This also took the Mike Fritz award. 1/72nd Armor; non-WW2 German: Jesse Thorn took third (?) with a Matchbox Ft.17 1/35th Armor; prior to 1945 (I think), non-German: Jesse Thorn took third (?) with an Emhar (?) Whippet Local Omaha guy James Bond took best out of the box with an Accurate Armor Whippet 1/72nd Diorama's: A meeting between a resin A7V and a converted (although not entirely so) Airfix Mk.I That's all I can remember. I'm sure I screwed some of these up, so forgive me. There were plenty of WW1 models entered; for example, someone entered into collections almost all Marks of the British Heavy tanks ('Mother', Mk.I, Mk.II, etc.). However, he also didn't go "all the way" with the conversions. I guess I'm a bit more sensitive to it since I finished 'Mother' not too long ago. > The flea market for models was sort of mixed. Some prices were > so outrageous I walked out of the rooms(Meikraft Albatros D-I, > II : $40.00! Revel Nie. 17c $13.00, Aurora Bristol > $90.00{although the table in the next room had it for $35.00} ). > Others seemed right, but very few "finds", unless the rest of > this list grabbed them up before I got there. I ended up > getting a Albatros D Seaplane and a Hasegawa F4B(at least it has > 2 wings!). Gads, isn't the F4B in the overly large, Goiter Scale? ;-) Well, I picked up a Sierra Scale Friedrichshafen G.III that Bob was holding for me (thanks, Bob!); an Aeroclub Fokker D.VI for $12; and the new Emhar Mk.IV female for $8. Not great deals, but worth every penny. You're right, though. A lot of "scalping" going on, except for the Merlin's. ;-) Also, there were a lot of deals on Czech Master resins; Erik picked up a BE2c and Brequet 14 for half off; or both for $15. > Stayed with a friend about 80 miles SE of Columbus and saw a > sign for an airshow in Lancaster, Ohio. Great airshow in a > small, friendly airport. No WWI stuff, but a Wildcat, Avenger, > Mustangs, Stearmans, Texans, and 2 Mitchells. Ah well, back to > work for 2 weeks before the real vacation in Holland. Plan on > visiting the museum and will try to get some good photos of any > appropriate aircraft!. What, you didn't go to the AF Museam? > End of long winded message! And even longer reply! :-) Matt mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 20:51:03 -0400 (EDT) From: BStett3770@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Resin question Message-ID: <970715205008_745596924@emout08.mail.aol.com> Hi Matt try this Bring a pot of water to boiling, turn off the heat . When the water stops bubbling, hold the wing in it with a set of tongs. The wing will get soft like a noddle. Place the wing on a flat surface.( You my have to smooth it out with your fingers) Let set till it cures. I know it sounds crazy, but I've done it to a number of wings and other resin parts, it works. Barry Rosemont Hobby ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 01:22:37 GMT From: "Leonard Endy" To: wwi Subject: Re: Glencoe Pfalz D.III markings: Message-ID: <33cd2191.3955369@legend.firstsaga.com> On Tue, 15 Jul 1997 13:58:31 -0400, you wrote: >Greetings, Leonard: Forgive me if this is a stupid question, but I haven't >seen the Glencoe markings yet, so I'm wondering if they include serial >numbers for any of the questionable machines? They do....now why didn't I think of that.... >Pilots might well have kept >the same markings when replacing their D.III with a D.IIIa, but obviously, >not the serial. I'll go ahead and send this, with prior apologies for >stating the obvious. Most of the serial numbers are covered by other markings but the ones that are visible do match the serial number list for D.III's in the back of the D.IIIa datafile. Thanks for the relieving my brain cramp.... Len Endy reply to: lfendy@firstsaga.com "Planes, Trains and...that's all that matters." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 21:21:39 -0400 (EDT) From: DavidL1217@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Nationals/Frustration Message-ID: <970715212138_41741073@emout17.mail.aol.com> Matt, this is all good stuff. But did the manufacturers have anything to allow. Did the Marco-Polo/DML guy get linched? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 21:26:04 -0400 (EDT) From: JimMaas@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Nationals/Frustration Message-ID: <970715212603_1724191054@emout11.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 97-07-15 19:42:35 EDT, you write: >1/48th Biplanes: > >The only one I remember was first place; a beautifully done >Eduard D.V, all black in Udet's (?) markings. This also took the >Mike Fritz award. > > second was a DML Triplane, thrid was my Polikarpov I-153. I should stick with WWI types... ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 611 *********************