WWI Digest 596 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: CPUs of the Great Aces by "Brad Gossen" 2) Superscale Albatros Decals: by Patrick Padovan 3) Re: Superscale Albatros Decals: by Charles Hart 4) Re: Baumer D.V by Bob Pearson 5) Re: Superscale Albatros Decals: by "Brad Gossen" 6) Auction proceeds for sale by Shane Weier 7) Re: Baumer D.V by Bob Pearson 8) Re: Nie.21 in FMP book by Michelle and Rory Goodwin 9) Re: Superscale Albatros Decals: by Carlos Valdes 10) Re: Nie.21 in FMP book by "Brad Gossen" 11) Re: Stringer Tapes by mbittner@juno.com 12) Baumer's D.V by mbittner@juno.com 13) Re: Stringer Tapes by Shane Weier ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 11:40:19 -0400 From: "Brad Gossen" To: Subject: Re: CPUs of the Great Aces Message-ID: <199706301542.LAA14877@smtp.globalserve.net> Meanwhile, Guynemer disappeared without a trace, never to be heard from again! Perhaps the victim of an experimental new 'universal' Amiga prototype, or possibly he strayed too close to a large, antiquated, but well defended Cray-Drachen! Brad BigglesRFC@globalserve.net ---------- > From: Jesse Thorn > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: CPUs of the Great Aces > Date: Monday, June 30, 1997 10:01 AM > > > > >I've heard that Guynemer was a Mac guy, while Fonck refused to fly with > >anything less than Windows NT. Can anyone confirm this? > > Fonck did indeed use Windows NT until he downloaded an ActiveX applet > written by Boche hackers. The 'ActiveHex' applet then proceeded to dump his > fuel, jammed his gun synchronizers, and sprayed hot engine oil in his face. > > Fonck also found that Windows NT was only able to track at most 4 enemy > airplanes during a dogfight before crawling to a halt and crashing. The > French Air Force then made the decision that Windows NT was not quite ready > for frontline deployment and got real Unix machines from Sun instead. > > --Jesse > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 11:25:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Patrick Padovan To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Superscale Albatros Decals: Message-ID: Greetings, gang: I just received my copies of Superscale's 1/72 Albatros sheets, and am rather dismayed to find that fuselage cross 2 and 2a only appears ONCE on each sheet! Presumably, Superscale meant to give us 2 of each of these, and two of 1 & 1a, so that we could complete 1 entire a/c with these markings. Instead, they gave us 1 of 2 and 2a, and 3 of 1 and 1a, so unless you want to purchase a second sheet, you can do 1 and 1/2 a/c that call for number 1/1a fuselage crosses, and 1/2 a/c that calls for number 2/2a fuselage crosses! As if this were not sufficient, the D.III sheet has two DIFFERENT style #8 crosses (fin/rudder of Voss's a/c), so if you decide to model this a/c, it will have the fuselage cross on only one side, and non-matching crosses on the tail! I haven't seen the 1/48 sheets yet, so I've no idea if this problem extends to those or not. I'm bloody annoyed, and intend to write to Superscale and ask them to send me 2 additional 2 & 2a crosses (one for each sheet) and one additional # 8 cross that will match at least 1 of those on the D.III sheet. (Do I hear the rustle of wwi list subscribers digging out their Albatros decal sheets to see if I'm crazy or not?) Regards, Patrick p.s. Can somebody please enlighten me as to the fuselage band color of Baumer's Albatros? The instruction sheet neglects to share this bit of info. Ciao! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Patrick Padovan Interlibrary Loan Associate Timberland Regional Library Voice: 360-943-5001 415 Airdustrial Way SW FAX: 360-586-6838 Olympia, WA 98501-5799 e-mail: ppadovan@timberland.lib.wa.us ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 12:36:41 -0700 From: Charles Hart To: wwi Subject: Re: Superscale Albatros Decals: Message-ID: >Greetings, gang: I just received my copies of Superscale's 1/72 Albatros >sheets, and am rather dismayed to find that fuselage cross 2 and 2a only >appears ONCE on each sheet! Presumably, Superscale meant to give us 2 of >each of these, and two of 1 & 1a, so that we could complete 1 entire a/c >with these markings. Instead, they gave us 1 of 2 and 2a, and 3 of 1 and >1a, so unless you want to purchase a second sheet, you can do 1 and 1/2 >a/c that call for number 1/1a fuselage crosses, and 1/2 a/c that calls for >number 2/2a fuselage crosses! As if this were not sufficient, the D.III >sheet has two DIFFERENT style #8 crosses (fin/rudder of Voss's a/c), so >if you decide to model this a/c, it will have the fuselage cross on only >one side, and non-matching crosses on the tail! I haven't seen the 1/48 >sheets yet, so I've no idea if this problem extends to those or not. I'm >bloody annoyed, and intend to write to Superscale and ask them to send me >2 additional 2 & 2a crosses (one for each sheet) and one additional # 8 >cross that will match at least 1 of those on the D.III sheet. (Do I hear >the rustle of wwi list subscribers digging out their Albatros decal sheets >to see if I'm crazy or not?) > Regards, Patrick > >p.s. Can somebody please enlighten me as to the fuselage band color of >Baumer's Albatros? The instruction sheet neglects to share this bit of >info. Ciao! As long as you are writing to Super Scale you can tell them what a crappy job they did with the Voss Markings, swastika backwards and missing dark colored outline, leaves on wreath around said swastika puny and too numerous, also the hearts are badly proportioned as can be seen in several good photographic views of Voss' machine. All in all, my opinion here, I found these sheets par for the course for Super Scale. As they say, caveat emptor. Rant mode off. Just my US$ 0.02 worth. Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 12:17:29 -0700 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: Baumer D.V Message-ID: <19172912321908@KAIEN.COM> Patrick As I don't have the sheet you refer to, I assume you mean the edelweiss marked D.V while Baumer was at Jasta 5. Sqn/Sig Albatros in action shows this to have a red fuselage band. If this isn't the aircraft perhaps the usage of red/white/black on his Dr.I and Pfalz D.VIII could provide a clue HIH Bob Pearson > p.s. Can somebody please enlighten me as to the fuselage band color of > Baumer's Albatros? The instruction sheet neglects to share this bit of > info. Ciao! > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Patrick Padovan > Interlibrary Loan Associate > > Timberland Regional Library Voice: 360-943-5001 > 415 Airdustrial Way SW FAX: 360-586-6838 > Olympia, WA 98501-5799 e-mail: ppadovan@timberland.lib.wa.us > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 16:56:40 -0400 From: "Brad Gossen" To: Subject: Re: Superscale Albatros Decals: Message-ID: <199706302100.RAA20164@smtp.globalserve.net> I'll be darned! I never even noticed. I guess that's what you get when you never actually build anything! Patrick, do you have a postal code for Superscale? I notice they neglected to provide it. Re: Baumer's Albatros, there's a nice close up of Baumer standing next to an Albatros, on page 176 of Aviation Awards of Imperial Germany in World War One, bearing a band identical to the one in the Superscale diagram. However this band has no edelweiss. The band is clearly a lighter tone than the cross next to it. Most color illustrations seem to show Baumer's aircraft as having a red fuselage from cockpit to tail. Based on this my money is on a red band. Perhaps this photo was taken before the edelweiss was added or I guess it could be someone else's aircraft. Brad BigglesRFC@globalserve.net ---------- > From: Patrick Padovan > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Superscale Albatros Decals: > Date: Monday, June 30, 1997 2:25 PM > > Greetings, gang: I just received my copies of Superscale's 1/72 Albatros > sheets, and am rather dismayed to find that fuselage cross 2 and 2a only > appears ONCE on each sheet! Presumably, Superscale meant to give us 2 of > each of these, and two of 1 & 1a, so that we could complete 1 entire a/c > with these markings. Instead, they gave us 1 of 2 and 2a, and 3 of 1 and > 1a, so unless you want to purchase a second sheet, you can do 1 and 1/2 > a/c that call for number 1/1a fuselage crosses, and 1/2 a/c that calls for > number 2/2a fuselage crosses! As if this were not sufficient, the D.III > sheet has two DIFFERENT style #8 crosses (fin/rudder of Voss's a/c), so > if you decide to model this a/c, it will have the fuselage cross on only > one side, and non-matching crosses on the tail! I haven't seen the 1/48 > sheets yet, so I've no idea if this problem extends to those or not. I'm > bloody annoyed, and intend to write to Superscale and ask them to send me > 2 additional 2 & 2a crosses (one for each sheet) and one additional # 8 > cross that will match at least 1 of those on the D.III sheet. (Do I hear > the rustle of wwi list subscribers digging out their Albatros decal sheets > to see if I'm crazy or not?) > Regards, Patrick > > p.s. Can somebody please enlighten me as to the fuselage band color of > Baumer's Albatros? The instruction sheet neglects to share this bit of > info. Ciao! > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Patrick Padovan > Interlibrary Loan Associate > > Timberland Regional Library Voice: 360-943-5001 > 415 Airdustrial Way SW FAX: 360-586-6838 > Olympia, WA 98501-5799 e-mail: ppadovan@timberland.lib.wa.us > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 07:27:28 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi'" Subject: Auction proceeds for sale Message-ID: Hi all, You may remember that I was attending an auction last weekend, and had offered to buy an Airfix Hannover for anyone wanting one. Well, I got two of them, one of which is en-route to the USA already. But the second is still available if anyone wants it I paid A$7, about US$5.50 and you can have it at cost plus postage. Also (but not for sale) picked up aa Airfix Avro 504K for another list member, and an Airfix Pup for myself, plus the Revell Sopwith Triplane and Nie 28 for an average of just A$2 each. Although I'm primarily a 1/48 builder, these kits bring back happy memories of the days when I could see. Except the Tripehound, which I have never built ! Guess I add it to my build seriously list Shane ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 14:35:07 -0700 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: Baumer D.V Message-ID: <21350704722102@KAIEN.COM> Well, I seem to haved goofed on this one. All I can offer in my defence was we had our fifth Annual Tone Deaf and Numb Musicians Invitational Golf tournament yesterday (imagine 30 odd, hung over and forced to rise before noon musicians if you can) and the party lasted until well past midnight......... Oh yeah, we won :-) As to Baumer's D.V I painted a profile of this seven years ago and used as my reference the SS publication as well as Superscale decal sheet 72-147 (I guess I do have it). As Brad Gossen pointed out there is no colour info in Albatros in Action. However my copy of the decal sheet shows red as the relevant colour. I also recall seeing a colour profile of this aircraft in some other publication which showed the light grey fuselage, not the varnished wood of the decal sheet. Unfortunately seven years ago I wasn't as concerned with keeping references for all the profiles I was working on and have forgotten where it was from. The mention of Voss is what put me on the wrong track as to the decal sheet. Mine doesn't have this a/c included. Bob ---------- > From: Bob Pearson > To: WW1 Mailing list > Subject: Re: Baumer D.V > > Patrick > As I don't have the sheet you refer to, I assume you mean the edelweiss > marked D.V while Baumer was at Jasta 5. Sqn/Sig Albatros in action shows > this to have a red fuselage band. If this isn't the aircraft perhaps the > usage of red/white/black on his Dr.I and Pfalz D.VIII could provide a clue > > HIH > Bob Pearson > > > p.s. Can somebody please enlighten me as to the fuselage band color of > > Baumer's Albatros? The instruction sheet neglects to share this bit of > > info. Ciao! > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Patrick Padovan > > Interlibrary Loan Associate > > > > Timberland Regional Library Voice: 360-943-5001 > > 415 Airdustrial Way SW FAX: 360-586-6838 > > Olympia, WA 98501-5799 e-mail: ppadovan@timberland.lib.wa.us > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 14:35:33 -0700 From: Michelle and Rory Goodwin To: wwi Subject: Re: Nie.21 in FMP book Message-ID: <33B826A5.3D35@ricochet.net> Bob Pearson wrote: > > The Nieuport 21 was a Nieuport 17 airframe with an 80 hp le Rhone and > lightened airframe possibly intended for long distance escort. I have the > references around as to this somewhere as I used them in my future article > on No.8 Naval (still far from completed) for OTF. > > ---------- > > From: Michelle and Rory Goodwin > > To: Multiple recipients of list > > Subject: Nie.21 in FMP book > > Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 20:30:58 -0400 > > > > Had a look at this and noticed that the "fuselage of a standard Nieuport > > 11 (w/lightened airframe)" is drawn with a faired engine cowl more > > closely resembling a 17's fuselage. Any thoughts/comments on this > > apparent discrepency? > > > > Riordan > > > > -- > > Michelle and Riordan Goodwin > > Visit our websites: > > > > Michelle's Home/Resume Page: > > http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/9171 > > Riordan's Wings of Revolution: http://www.serve.com/rgoodwin So there IS an error in the vaunted FMP book, and it was caught by a semi-casual amateur historian... The only thing that comes to mind is-DOH! Anyone compiled a list of errors for the French book yet? Riordan -- Michelle and Riordan Goodwin Visit our websites: Michelle's Home/Resume Page: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/9171 Riordan's Wings of Revolution: http://www.serve.com/rgoodwin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 03:36:55 -0400 From: Carlos Valdes To: wwi Subject: Re: Superscale Albatros Decals: Message-ID: <33B21C17.2B00@conted.gatech.edu> Patrick, I too have these sheets, 72-770 and -771, and found them somewhat underwhelming. I just saw the 1/48 sheets but passed them up; I believe they are dentical to the 1/72 sheets. As for Baumer, notice that his a/c is identified as belonging to Jasta B (which used black and white for its unit markings); Baumer's Jasta 5 Albatros is the one more usually depicted in profiles etc., and the one I am familiar with. On that machine he used a broad red band that covered the mid to rear portion of the fuselage, so red would be a good guess for the Jasta B bird. Carlos ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 18:37:09 -0400 From: "Brad Gossen" To: Subject: Re: Nie.21 in FMP book Message-ID: <199706302239.SAA21921@smtp.globalserve.net> FMP should think about hiring Bob as an editor. He's found several errors in the French book but he's too polite mention them. Most seem to pertain to RNAS references. I've met some 'rivet counters' in my time but Bob is the first 'stitch counter' I've come across. ---------- > From: Michelle and Rory Goodwin > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Nie.21 in FMP book > Date: Monday, June 30, 1997 5:48 PM > > Bob Pearson wrote: > > > > The Nieuport 21 was a Nieuport 17 airframe with an 80 hp le Rhone and > > lightened airframe possibly intended for long distance escort. I have the > > references around as to this somewhere as I used them in my future article > > on No.8 Naval (still far from completed) for OTF. > > > > ---------- > > > From: Michelle and Rory Goodwin > > > To: Multiple recipients of list > > > Subject: Nie.21 in FMP book > > > Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 20:30:58 -0400 > > > > > > Had a look at this and noticed that the "fuselage of a standard Nieuport > > > 11 (w/lightened airframe)" is drawn with a faired engine cowl more > > > closely resembling a 17's fuselage. Any thoughts/comments on this > > > apparent discrepency? > > > > > > Riordan > > > > > > -- > > > Michelle and Riordan Goodwin > > > Visit our websites: > > > > > > Michelle's Home/Resume Page: > > > http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/9171 > > > Riordan's Wings of Revolution: http://www.serve.com/rgoodwin > > So there IS an error in the vaunted FMP book, and it was caught by a > semi-casual amateur historian... > The only thing that comes to mind is-DOH! > Anyone compiled a list of errors for the French book yet? > > Riordan > -- > Michelle and Riordan Goodwin > Visit our websites: > > Michelle's Home/Resume Page: > http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/9171 > Riordan's Wings of Revolution: http://www.serve.com/rgoodwin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 04:51:47 -0500 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Stringer Tapes Message-ID: <19970701.050040.13894.2.mbittner@juno.com> On Sun, 29 Jun 1997 23:48:57 -0400 Michelle and Rory Goodwin writes: >As we've hit a slow spot as far as WWI content, I'll open this can 'o >worms I've been saving. >At an antique airshow recently, I noticed a '20s fabric covered racing >plane had reinforcing tapes on its slightly protruding fuselage >stringers. Might the fuselages of certain WWI planes, such as Bristol >monoplanes, late-model Nieuports or Halberstadt D-types (turtledecks) >have had the same treatment as wing-ribs? Well, it would appear that the Fokker and Pfalz monoplanes were reinforced this way, especially the Pfalz'. That would be my accounting for why they have those black "outlines" to the fuselage. Then again, maybe I'm wrong. ;-) Matt mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 06:42:17 -0500 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Baumer's D.V Message-ID: <19970701.064218.13438.0.mbittner@juno.com> Although the color has been figured out, I just wanted to add that Baumer's D.V is on SuperScale's earlier D.III/D.V sheet, #72-147. Actually, I want to figure out just what have been repeated, to save everyone the trouble. Sheet #72-147 comes with two sets of complete Balkenkreuz, so if you're in need of more crosses, you can use this sheet. Personally, I would have substituted another manufacturer's crosses, instead of using SuperScale's, so the correct number doesn't matter to me. However, I can see where it would for those just interested in one of these schemes, and don't have any other source of cross. Matt mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 22:25:44 +1100 From: Shane Weier To: wwi Subject: Re: Stringer Tapes Message-ID: <33B8E938.36DF@qld.mim.com.au> > > On Sun, 29 Jun 1997 23:48:57 -0400 Michelle and Rory Goodwin > writes: > > Might the fuselages of certain WWI planes, such as Bristol > >monoplanes, late-model Nieuports or Halberstadt D-types (turtledecks) > >have had the same treatment as wing-ribs? > Matt replies: > Well, it would appear that the Fokker and Pfalz monoplanes were > reinforced this way, especially the Pfalz'. That would be my accounting > for why they have those black "outlines" to the fuselage. Then again, > maybe I'm wrong. ;-) > Well I reckon we should think about *why* the ribs are taped. It isn't to reinforce them against the strain of the ribs poking into them, or the false ribs (when used) would be taped as well, particularly bearing in mind that they're at the point of greatest curvature and highest strain. The rib tapes are actually doped over the row of stitching or cut tacks that hold the fabric to the rib to prevent tearing at the punctures made by cord or nail. My guess is that where there are longeron tapes they cover a row of stitching joining the upper, side and lower panels of the fuselage fabric, and that they don't appear on the turtledeck stringers because the fabric there is not attached to the structure, and therefore not full of holes. Just a guess, but I think it flies Shane ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 596 *********************