WWI Digest 595 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Scale Wars and CPU Wars by "TIM" 2) Re: Scale Wars and CPU Wars by JimAlley@aol.com 3) Re: Scale Wars and CPU Wars by "Don Rinker" 4) Scale Wars/CPU errata by Michelle and Rory Goodwin 5) CPUs of the Great Aces by Andrew and Rebecca Hall 6) Re: Scale Wars and CPU Wars by mbittner@juno.com 7) Re : Re: Scale Wars and CPU Wars by Fportier@aol.com 8) Re: CPUs of the Great Aces by JimAlley@aol.com 9) More Windsock stuff for sale by GRBroman@aol.com 10) Re: More Windsock stuff for sale by mbittner@juno.com 11) Re: Scale Wars and CPU Wars by mbittner@juno.com 12) DR1 cables by "TIM" 13) Nie.21 in FMP book by Michelle and Rory Goodwin 14) Re: Nie.21 in FMP book by mbittner@juno.com 15) Re: More Windsock stuff for sale by Alberto Rada 16) Stringer Tapes by Michelle and Rory Goodwin 17) Re: Colt machine guns in Russian service by Michelle and Rory Goodwin 18) Re: Stringer Tapes by "Brad Gossen" 19) Re: Nie.21 in FMP book by Bob Pearson 20) RE: Colt Machine Gun by "Paul Schwartzkopf" 21) Re: CPUs of the Great Aces by Jesse Thorn ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 09:04:38 +0000 From: "TIM" To: wwi Subject: Re: Scale Wars and CPU Wars Message-ID: <199706291607.MAA04370@pease1.sr.unh.edu> Ok i got to put my 2 cents in. I use a wintel machine and I have been in the electronics (technician/engineer ) buisness for 14 years. and I do love my pentium processor and software however I must admit that MAC has been forced out of the buisness by intel/IBM they were definitly nice machines in their time great user interface however technician unfriendly! You have got to go thru incredible feats just to get new hardware installed and working! but once it does it is nice. I am gonna stick with my wintel machine because it is the future and sad but true mac is a thing of the past. TIM ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 13:55:07 -0400 (EDT) From: JimAlley@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Scale Wars and CPU Wars Message-ID: <970629135507_-394026595@emout07.mail.aol.com> Well, Sixpac, it looks like you need to be advised of a few basic facts. None of the following statements represents opinion. 1. Apple sells more computers than IBM. 2. Apple has not been forced out of business. (See #1.) 3. Hardware installation? Technician unfriendly? Incredible feats? Macs invented the concept of Plug and Play. So far, Wintel hasn't been able to get beyond Plug and Pray. (I have a very elaborate Mac system: two monitors, three removable storage devices, a graphics tablet, joystick, CD player, scanner, lots of added RAM, two printers, networked to three other computers, etc., etc. I have never needed a technician to install anything, and never expect to. I have *no* training in computer technology, and have never needed it.) 4. Apple has the highest level of user loyalty in the business, and has maintained it for several years running. This is not to put your Wintel boxes down. Stick with 'em as long as you like. But please don't contribute to the widespread misconceptions about the Mac's abilities or position in the industry. Jim Alley P.S. Has anyone tried Virtual PC? It's quite new, and said to do an excellent job of simulating a PC environment in software on a Mac, even to running games. Another choice is to get a Mac with a built-in Pentium board. My wife has one. Just press a keyboard command, and the Mac OS fades to black, then DOS, Windows, or whatever fades in. This adds about $800 to the price of a Mac. >Ok i got to put my 2 cents in. I use a wintel machine and I have been >in the electronics (technician/engineer ) buisness for 14 years. and >I do love my pentium processor and software however I must admit that >MAC has been forced out of the buisness by intel/IBM they were >definitly nice machines in their time great user interface however >technician unfriendly! You have got to go thru incredible feats just >to get new hardware installed and working! but once it does it is >nice. I am gonna stick with my wintel machine because it is the >future and sad but true mac is a thing of the past. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 14:15:01 -0400 From: "Don Rinker" To: Subject: Re: Scale Wars and CPU Wars Message-ID: <199706291815.OAA02478@post1.fast.net> ---------- > From: JimAlley@aol.com Could I respectfully request that this MAC/IBM thing go to private email without getting my head shot off? THis sort of ridiculous argument rages all the time on usenet, but there I have the luxury of a killfile..... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 11:13:46 -0700 From: Michelle and Rory Goodwin To: wwi Subject: Scale Wars/CPU errata Message-ID: <33B6A5DA.30FE@ricochet.net> We seem to have strayed a bit off-topic... -- Michelle and Riordan Goodwin Visit our websites: Michelle's Home/Resume Page: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/9171 Riordan's Wings of Revolution: http://www.serve.com/rgoodwin ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 12:43:39 -0700 From: Andrew and Rebecca Hall To: wwi Subject: CPUs of the Great Aces Message-ID: <33B6BAEB.5F61@phoenix.net> In a last-ditch attempt to bring this thread back to the subject of WWI avaition. . . . I've heard that Guynemer was a Mac guy, while Fonck refused to fly with anything less than Windows NT. Can anyone confirm this? --------> Andy Hall --------> Galveston, Texas ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 13:36:28 -0500 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Scale Wars and CPU Wars Message-ID: <19970629.134829.14550.2.mbittner@juno.com> On Sun, 29 Jun 1997 13:59:16 -0400 JimAlley@aol.com writes: > 3. Hardware installation? Technician unfriendly? Incredible > feats? Macs invented the concept of Plug and Play. So far, > Wintel hasn't been able to get beyond Plug and Pray. (I have a > very elaborate Mac system: two monitors, three removable storage > devices, a graphics tablet, joystick, CD player, scanner, lots > of added RAM, two printers, networked to three other computers, > etc., etc. I have never needed a technician to install anything, > and never expect to. I have *no* training in computer > technology, and have never needed it.) Well, sorry to continue this completely off topic thread, but with Win95, I have had *no* problem installing new hardware. The worse problem I've ever had was that Win95 needed the driver software that came with the hardware. There is a lot currently supported. Matt mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 15:27:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Fportier@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re : Re: Scale Wars and CPU Wars Message-ID: <970629152721_1445571809@emout12.mail.aol.com> Dear Matt, This has nothing to do with the subject, but you appear to be more or less in charge here, so can you unsubscribe me? I'm still getting messages the day after I passed the warning message. If nothing happens I'll have hundreds of messages on my return, which is a bore! Thank you. Have a pleasant summer, Francois ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 16:23:54 -0400 (EDT) From: JimAlley@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: CPUs of the Great Aces Message-ID: <970629162353_-1863968406@emout07.mail.aol.com> >In a last-ditch attempt to bring this thread back to the subject of WWI >avaition. . . . > >I've heard that Guynemer was a Mac guy, while Fonck refused to fly with >anything less than Windows NT. Can anyone confirm this? This note of humor is a great place to leave the topic. Thanks. If anyone else needs to be disabused of false notions, I'll be happy to oblige off-list. Jim Alley ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 16:43:23 -0400 (EDT) From: GRBroman@aol.com To: wwi Subject: More Windsock stuff for sale Message-ID: <970629164323_-660642732@emout14.mail.aol.com> My friend is cleaning out his closet again and I'm posting for him. The following items are in groups and he will not break up the groups. Please send offers to me privately at GRBroman@aol.com. Buyer pays shipping from Chicago, or they can pick it up in person at the US IPMS Nationals in Columbus. Group #1: 62 Datafiles, all in very good to mint condition, except for #5, which had soda pop spilled on the cover. Group #2: #1, 2 and 3 in the Aces series, McCudden, Voss and Guynemer + three aircraft specials, the Albatross, DRI, and Gotha plus the Colors of Richtofens Squadron Special. Group #3: Windsock magazine: Vol 4 #4, Vol 5 #4, Vol 7 #4 and Vol 8 #4. Jack may sell these seperatly. Again, please send your offers directly to me and not to the group, references available, etc, etc. Thanks, Glen ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 16:54:12 -0500 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: More Windsock stuff for sale Message-ID: <19970629.170619.16190.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Sun, 29 Jun 1997 16:47:05 -0400 GRBroman@aol.com writes: > Group #2: #1, 2 and 3 in the Aces series, McCudden, Voss and > Guynemer + three aircraft specials, the Albatross, DRI, and > Gotha plus the Colors of Richtofens Squadron Special. If anyone wants to break this up, the last Aces I need is Guynemer. Any takers? Matt mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 16:56:37 -0500 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Scale Wars and CPU Wars Message-ID: <19970629.170619.16190.1.mbittner@juno.com> On Sun, 29 Jun 1997 15:31:18 -0400 Fportier@aol.com writes: > This has nothing to do with the subject, but you appear to be > more or less in charge here, so can you unsubscribe me? I'm > still getting messages the day after I passed the warning > message. If nothing happens I'll have hundreds of messages on my > return, which is a bore! Thank you. > Have a pleasant summer Sorry, but I'm far from being in charge here. If I were, everybody would be building 1/72nd!! Al's actually in charge here, in that he maintains the hardware and software that drives this list. It's he you should address your concerns to. Thanks, though. My ego is a little higher today. ;-) Matt mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 15:50:41 +0000 From: "TIM" To: wwi Subject: DR1 cables Message-ID: <199706292253.SAA05398@pease1.sr.unh.edu> Ok im sorry I will never put mt 2 cents in again! (LOL) but seriously does anybody know what the grommets the flight control cables pass through in a DR1 where made of?. also can anybody describe or have a picture of how the cables were hooked to the control stick were arranged and connected. thanks TIM ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 17:18:30 -0700 From: Michelle and Rory Goodwin To: wwi Subject: Nie.21 in FMP book Message-ID: <33B6FB2A.685F@ricochet.net> Had a look at this and noticed that the "fuselage of a standard Nieuport 11 (w/lightened airframe)" is drawn with a faired engine cowl more closely resembling a 17's fuselage. Any thoughts/comments on this apparent discrepency? Riordan -- Michelle and Riordan Goodwin Visit our websites: Michelle's Home/Resume Page: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/9171 Riordan's Wings of Revolution: http://www.serve.com/rgoodwin ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 20:03:04 -0500 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Nie.21 in FMP book Message-ID: <19970629.200305.18334.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Sun, 29 Jun 1997 20:30:58 -0400 Michelle and Rory Goodwin writes: > Had a look at this and noticed that the "fuselage of a standard > Nieuport 11 (w/lightened airframe)" is drawn with a faired > engine cowl more closely resembling a 17's fuselage. Any > thoughts/comments on this apparent discrepency? Hmmm...interesting. From the photo's - and the drawings - you would come to the conclusion that it was a Nie.17. >From what I've always understood, it was a Nie.17, but with a Nie.11 cowl and an 80hp LeRhone. Could it be the ultimate French book be in error? ;-) Matt mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 23:10:44 -0400 From: Alberto Rada To: wwi Subject: Re: More Windsock stuff for sale Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970629231044.006b8218@pop.true.net> Hi Matt I would take McCudden and Boss, so that leaves the aircraft specials for someone else to join in. Matt, if it works out, you decide the bid for the aces part and I'll pay two thirds of whatever turns out plus my postage ofcourse. SALUDOS ALBERTO At 06:04 PM 29-06-97 -0400, you wrote: >On Sun, 29 Jun 1997 16:47:05 -0400 GRBroman@aol.com writes: > >> Group #2: #1, 2 and 3 in the Aces series, McCudden, Voss and >> Guynemer + three aircraft specials, the Albatross, DRI, and >> Gotha plus the Colors of Richtofens Squadron Special. > >If anyone wants to break this up, the last Aces I need is >Guynemer. Any takers? > > >Matt >mbittner@juno.com > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 20:36:36 -0700 From: Michelle and Rory Goodwin To: wwi Subject: Stringer Tapes Message-ID: <33B729C4.75C6@ricochet.net> As we've hit a slow spot as far as WWI content, I'll open this can 'o worms I've been saving. At an antique airshow recently, I noticed a '20s fabric covered racing plane had reinforcing tapes on its slightly protruding fuselage stringers. Might the fuselages of certain WWI planes, such as Bristol monoplanes, late-model Nieuports or Halberstadt D-types (turtledecks) have had the same treatment as wing-ribs? Riordan -- Michelle and Riordan Goodwin Visit our websites: Michelle's Home/Resume Page: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/9171 Riordan's Wings of Revolution: http://www.serve.com/rgoodwin ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 20:38:08 -0700 From: Michelle and Rory Goodwin To: wwi Subject: Re: Colt machine guns in Russian service Message-ID: <33B72A20.1199@ricochet.net> Valenciano . Jose wrote: > > On Thu, 26 Jun 1997, Michelle and Rory Goodwin wrote: > > > Anyone have plans/drawings or side view photos of these clunky > > unsynch'ed guns other than the little bit in Windsock and the FMP French > > book? > > I think there's a profile drawing of this gun at the WWI Fighters page: > > http://canopus.lpi.msk.su/~watson/wwifighters.html > > Browse around over there. > Let me know if that's the one you're looking for. > > ********************************************************************* > > Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, > joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist > tel. (632) 921-26-75 > Metro-Manila, Philippines > > "The more you know, the more you don't know." > > ********************************************************************* Joey, Just what I was looking for. Thanks! -- Michelle and Riordan Goodwin Visit our websites: Michelle's Home/Resume Page: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/9171 Riordan's Wings of Revolution: http://www.serve.com/rgoodwin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 01:34:52 -0400 From: "Brad Gossen" To: Subject: Re: Stringer Tapes Message-ID: <199706300537.BAA07463@smtp.globalserve.net> Riordan I'm almost positive that I've seen this on Old Rhinebeck Aerodrome's Morane Saulnier A1. At least some if not all the stringers were taped. When I get a minute I'll check my photo albums and the Mini-data on the A1 for evidence. Incidently, I once heard Cole Palen say that this was his favorite WW1 type to fly! How about the Snipe or possibly the SPAD's turtle deck? Brad BigglesRFC@globalserve.net ---------- > From: Michelle and Rory Goodwin > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Stringer Tapes > Date: Sunday, June 29, 1997 11:49 PM > > As we've hit a slow spot as far as WWI content, I'll open this can 'o > worms I've been saving. > At an antique airshow recently, I noticed a '20s fabric covered racing > plane had reinforcing tapes on its slightly protruding fuselage > stringers. Might the fuselages of certain WWI planes, such as Bristol > monoplanes, late-model Nieuports or Halberstadt D-types (turtledecks) > have had the same treatment as wing-ribs? > > Riordan > > -- > Michelle and Riordan Goodwin > Visit our websites: > > Michelle's Home/Resume Page: > http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/9171 > Riordan's Wings of Revolution: http://www.serve.com/rgoodwin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 01:53:33 -0700 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: Nie.21 in FMP book Message-ID: <08533387421267@KAIEN.COM> The Nieuport 21 was a Nieuport 17 airframe with an 80 hp le Rhone and lightened airframe possibly intended for long distance escort. I have the references around as to this somewhere as I used them in my future article on No.8 Naval (still far from completed) for OTF. ---------- > From: Michelle and Rory Goodwin > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Nie.21 in FMP book > Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 20:30:58 -0400 > > Had a look at this and noticed that the "fuselage of a standard Nieuport > 11 (w/lightened airframe)" is drawn with a faired engine cowl more > closely resembling a 17's fuselage. Any thoughts/comments on this > apparent discrepency? > > Riordan > > -- > Michelle and Riordan Goodwin > Visit our websites: > > Michelle's Home/Resume Page: > http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/9171 > Riordan's Wings of Revolution: http://www.serve.com/rgoodwin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 07:56:28 +0000 From: "Paul Schwartzkopf" To: wwi Subject: RE: Colt Machine Gun Message-ID: <199706301301.IAA04735@tscrypt1.transcrypt.com> Riordan, Sorry, but my weapons books only cover the "tank" version of the Colt. It has a brief line or two on the aircraft version, but only one picture of a tripod mounted gun. It would be nice to see a book covering aerial weaponry in detail. It sounds as if you have already found the information that you need, but glad to help out if I can. FWIW: Being gone on the weekend, I miss everything until Monday morning. I just have to say this concerning the off-topic discussion on PCs and such, but it is "related". The Windows 95 version of "Red Baron" is supposed to be out in September. Looking forward to flying some of these old birds. As in the words of Mike Tyson, I really didn't mean to chew your ears off...........;-) Paul A. Schwartzkopf =================================================================== Development Engineer--Software Transcrypt International, Inc. Telephone: (402) 474-4800 E-Mail: pauls@transcrypt.com =================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 10:04:45 -0400 From: Jesse Thorn To: wwi Subject: Re: CPUs of the Great Aces Message-ID: >I've heard that Guynemer was a Mac guy, while Fonck refused to fly with >anything less than Windows NT. Can anyone confirm this? Fonck did indeed use Windows NT until he downloaded an ActiveX applet written by Boche hackers. The 'ActiveHex' applet then proceeded to dump his fuel, jammed his gun synchronizers, and sprayed hot engine oil in his face. Fonck also found that Windows NT was only able to track at most 4 enemy airplanes during a dogfight before crawling to a halt and crashing. The French Air Force then made the decision that Windows NT was not quite ready for frontline deployment and got real Unix machines from Sun instead. --Jesse ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 595 *********************