WWI Digest 589 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) re: open letter of thanks - 425/17 Colors by Jack Berlien 2) Texaco models by drinker@fast.net ( Don Rinker) 3) Re: Scale Wars and CPU Wars by Geoff Smith 4) Re: Scale Wars and CPU Wars by Charles Hart 5) 1/72ers Only: Re: Horka kits by Patrick Padovan 6) Exciting product announcement by Crofoot 7) Re : Now, will I wish I never brought it up? by Fportier@aol.com 8) Re: Now, will I wish I never brought it up? by The Shannons 9) Re: Scale Wars and CPU Wars by Geoff Smith 10) Re: Now, will I wish I never brought it up? by "Brad Gossen" 11) Squadron Special by Charles Hart 12) RE: Now, will I wish I never brought it up? by Shane Weier 13) Re: Scale Wars and CPU Wars by JimAlley@aol.com 14) Re: 1/72ers Only: Re: Horka kits by barrett@iplink.net (barrett) 15) Re: Squadron Special by "Don Rinker" 16) Re: Scale Wars and CPU Wars by bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 17) OTF Binders by bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 18) Re: Gotha Photoetch by Kevin Wenker 19) RE: Now, will I wish I never brought it up? by "S.M. Head" 20) Re: Scale Wars and CPU Wars by spbldr 21) Eduard M.S.Type L by Hirohisa Ozaki 22) Re : Now, will I wish I never brought it up? by Hirohisa Ozaki 23) Re: Heller Spad VII by Michelle and Rory Goodwin 24) Forwarded for list member's info by ModelerAl@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 11:01:15 -0700 From: Jack Berlien To: wwi Subject: re: open letter of thanks - 425/17 Colors Message-ID: Tim, I recently asked the same question regarding the color of 425/17 and got a wonderful response. This has been a topic of fascination for me, too, and I will be more than happy to share my findings with you, though offline, so as not to clutter the list up with recently hashed-over information. I also have a color sample, graciously provided by one of the members, which is matched to existing fabric from 425/17. My personal Email is: j-berlien@ti.com Best regards, Jack ------------------ Original text From: "TIM" , on 6/22/97 10:40 AM: Thank you! In my wildest dreams i never expected such a response to my plea for help it seams i have finnaly found a excellent resource and hopefully some friends who share the same pasions as me. Truly grateful to all TIM ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 12:49:44 -0400 (EDT) From: drinker@fast.net ( Don Rinker) To: wwi Subject: Texaco models Message-ID: <199706231649.MAA07178@post1.fast.net> The "offical Texaco models are made by ERTL. There are currently four available ( well, WERE available. they sell out mighty fast) #1 A high wing monoplane 1929 something... #2 The Northrop gamma long wing #3 A Stearman biplane #4 A 1934 Grumman twin seaplane #5 due for release this summer (model unknown) They are all nicely done and with authentic markings of the Texaco company planes actually used. #1 currently sells for up to 100.00 THere was a TEXACO #13 TravelAir Mystery Ship made by another outfit. This one is a real rarity and goes for 250.00.. dunno why, its not nearly as nicely detailed as the ERTL models. Never heard of A Gee Bee Texaco plane. Perhaps the original poster was talking about the MysteryS. If so buy me a couple!! ( at list prices naturally.... :-) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 14:02:21 -0400 From: Geoff Smith To: "INTERNET:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Scale Wars and CPU Wars Message-ID: <199706231402_MC2-1905-6E4A@compuserve.com> >Jesse asked: >> Can I assume 1/72 builders use Wintel systems? >Nope, Wintel here and 1/48 exclusively. I use Wintel because I might wan= t >to run the new flight sims. I can count on having a version available. >With all the Mac users on this list, it's a wonder Apple had all those >layoffs. ;-) >Bill C.< Apologies to all for digressing from list subjects and for possibly being= thick but what the hell's a Wintel system? TIA Geoff. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 12:26:44 -0700 From: Charles Hart To: wwi Subject: Re: Scale Wars and CPU Wars Message-ID: >>Jesse asked: > >>> Can I assume 1/72 builders use Wintel systems? > >>Nope, Wintel here and 1/48 exclusively. I use Wintel because I might wan= >t >>to run the new flight sims. I can count on having a version available. > >>With all the Mac users on this list, it's a wonder Apple had all those >>layoffs. ;-) > > > >>Bill C.< > >Apologies to all for digressing from list subjects and for possibly being= > >thick but what the hell's a Wintel system? > >TIA > >Geoff. Windows 95 "operating" system run on an Intel processor chip. Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 11:45:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Patrick Padovan To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: 1/72ers Only: Re: Horka kits Message-ID: Greetings! I received my kits from Silverbirds this morning (actually, they came registered mail on Saturday, but as I was away I had to wait until this morning to pick them up at the P.O.! Imagine my frustration, if you will!) I had ordered two of the Horka resin kits, and folks, they are gorgeous! I've only had a quick look at them before work, so I can't give you a detailed account just now, but I will tomorrow. The surface detail is excellent. I ordered the Albatros D.II & the Nieuport 24/27. The latter has both Vickers and Lewis guns. All struts are included, and look pretty fine, not too large. Both kits are in a smooth beige colored resin that is finer and less brittle than the Czech Masters resin. The wings have fine rib, tape on the UPPER surfaces (sorry, didn't note lower at the time). The fuselage of the albatros has a slightly porous surface, which may be a deliberate attempt to suggest wood, but I think it can be lightly sanded or just covered with a coat or two of clear to a satisfactory smoothness. The smaller parts- wheels, guns, struts- are connected together by flash, but the main components are pretty clean. The horizontal tail of the Albatros is one piece, and the ailerons are one piece with the wings- what I'm trying to say is, no seperate control surfaces, but of course, they can be cut away if one wishes. No decals, but there are black & white drawings illustrating several different a/c. They are bagged, the Albatros with a colored header, the Nieuport without (perhaps it was supposed to have one, which didn't make it into the package.) The drawings in the Nieuport kit make me wish SOMEBODY would produce a decal set for this a/c type in French service, as there are a couple of very attractive five-color examples with sharp escadrille emblems. I didn't note any interior parts, but then I haven't even had a chance to open the bags yet. I'll take a closer look and let you know tomorrow. First impression: Excellent! I'm ordering more. Forget HitKit, this makes them look pretty weak, and for less dough! Any way, MHO FWIW. P.S. I suppose these may possibly be reworkings of the Czech Masters molds, but the resin is less brittle, and seems more flexible and easily workable, if you know what I mean. Also, the flying surfaces and struts are remarkably and admirably thin. Ciao! Patrick ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Patrick Padovan Interlibrary Loan Associate Timberland Regional Library Voice: 360-943-5001 415 Airdustrial Way SW FAX: 360-586-6838 Olympia, WA 98501-5799 e-mail: ppadovan@timberland.lib.wa.us ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 14:06:48 -0500 From: Crofoot To: wwi Subject: Exciting product announcement Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19970623140648.007ba320@computerpro.com> Everybody, After having noticed renewed discussion about the relative advantages of 1/72 or 1/48 scale, I have decided that the time is right to announce a new product line which I plan to begin shortly. The line will include WWI aircraft kits from the major combatants to include fighters, two seaters and multi-engined bombers along with figures and support vehicles. NOW FOR THE REALLY EXCITING PART. ALL ITEMS WILL BE IN 1/60 SCALE!!!!! (POLITICALLY CORRECT SCALE FOR EVERYONE) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 15:31:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Fportier@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re : Now, will I wish I never brought it up? Message-ID: <970623153122_1992710369@emout02.mail.aol.com> Dear Shane, You have a point. With 1/72 vac-form wing undersides I use a simple technique: I just draw the rib lines with a soft pencil using a flexible steel ruler. Under a thin coat of "Clear doped linen" paint the effect looks just right. So easy! Best regards, Francois ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 14:59:16 -0500 From: The Shannons To: wwi Subject: Re: Now, will I wish I never brought it up? Message-ID: <33AED594.4AA0@ix.netcom.com> S.M. Head wrote: > > Shane confidently proclaimed: > > >GDay all, > > > ><> > > >Me, I'm going to sand the undersides of all my wings flat and paint in > >tapes - it seems that all the old 1/72 vacforms I built have the most > >accurate wing > > <> > > Actually, Shane, I'm not going to flame you. There were several good points > made in favor of your ideas, and I am definitely not what you'd call "Scale > Police", but I like a bit of "raised rib" effect on my models. I feel that, > even though it is not spot-on accurate, the illusion is convincing. <<<<<<>>>>>> > I believe scale modeling is not quite what its name implies- if we were > actually "to scale" in everything we did, our models would look rather > dull. It's my opinion that the details and exaggerations we build into our > models are what gives them the convincing look. > <<<<<<<<>>>>>> > We know there are ribs under that > skin, or we know there are panel lines in that cowling, etc.; so why not > finely display them to give the impression of scale accuracy? I think it > works, and I'll be keeping my ribs. > > Just my humble thoughts, no flame intended. > > <> > > Scott H > -- Again, no flame on any side of this. My feeling is that the argument, "A model should appear like the fullsized prototype viewed at the distance to give it the given scale size", would lead to a lot of greyish-blue, flat, dull models of little detail if taken to the absolute logical conclusion (I build a lot of 1/700 scale ships -- imagine what the colors would look like and the detail). The addition of a little ribbing detail and seams, etc, make the kit look MORE real than if everything were replicated strictly to scale appearance rules. There is a limit, of course, that things like fabric weave and raised rivets cross. (preaching to the choir). That said, I think the most realistic representation of the wing undersides would be shallow, shadowy "V's" for the ribs on a somewhat flattened underside airfoil -- **For an aircraft depicted as on the ground**. The ribs are visible as raised ridges on the underside of the wing with shallow U-shaped hollows between when the airfoil is taking the load of the aircraft against lift. If there is a fault we have as modellers, in my opinion it is in losing site of the dynamic nature of the prototype we are replicating. (I'm sure spouses, parents, and teachers would mention a few others ranging from lack of attention to anality.) I think that the traditional representation of wing surfaces came from the "in-flight" styling that made it standard to give a cockpit consisting of a figure holding either his crotch or a stick. -- This has been Mark and/or Mary Shannon at Shingend@ix.netcom.com History manages to get away with cliches no novelist could. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 16:11:01 -0400 From: Geoff Smith To: "INTERNET:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Scale Wars and CPU Wars Message-ID: <199706231611_MC2-1914-8169@compuserve.com> >>>>Jesse asked: >> >>>> Can I assume 1/72 builders use Wintel systems? >> >>>Nope, Wintel here and 1/48 exclusively. I use Wintel because I might wan=3D >>t >>>to run the new flight sims. I can count on having a version available.= >> >>>With all the Mac users on this list, it's a wonder Apple had all those= >>>layoffs. ;-) >> >> >> =2E>>Bill C. >> >>Apologies to all for digressing from list subjects and for possibly being=3D >> >>thick but what the hell's a Wintel system? >> >>TIA >> >>Geoff. > Windows 95 "operating" system run on an Intel processor chip. Thanks Charles, I thought I was being thick. Geoff. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 16:25:38 -0400 From: "Brad Gossen" To: Subject: Re: Now, will I wish I never brought it up? Message-ID: <199706232029.QAA29860@smtp.globalserve.net> Just a thought! What would the depth of the sag between the ribs be if, instead of being kept in a climate controlled museum, a DVa wing was left out on a french farm field for three or four seasons, making daily (or thrice daily) sorties to 15 to 20,000 ft in and out of cloud, smoke, etc... Being stressed by ham fisted pilots or severely panicked ones. Not to mention frequent archie concussion, bombing and strafing, ham fisted riggers....... Just a thought. (Asbestos suit on........wait for it!......... Now!) Brad BigglesRFC@globalserve.net ---------- > From: Shane Weier > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Now, will I wish I never brought it up? > Date: Sunday, June 22, 1997 7:40 PM > > GDay all, > > <> > > With the memories of my recent trip to Canberra fresh in mind I'd like > to recount a small experiment I did whilst in the aircraft hall at the > AWM. > > Subject: Albatros D.Va wing > > The wing is covered in doped fabric, as taught as a drum and thoroughly > doped to the point where no texture whatever is apparent (though the > wave of the cloth is visible through the clear dope) > > Part One: Take one small flashlight and have a research assistant hold > it at the wingtip glancing along the fabric on the underside of the > wing. Result, the shadowed areas are along each wing rib position, most > notably at about half chord. > > Part Two: Place a 1 metre straight edge along the wing at mid chord, so > that it lightly touches the fabric at each high point along its length. > Measure the indentations along the way to find out the maximum variation > from a straight line. Result, at three points the fabric was indented > 4mm from the high points. > > Not to put too fine a point on it, the RIBS are INset by 4mm from the > highest points of the fabric. In 1/48 scale this equates to about 3 > thousandths of an inch, so any model with ribs indicated had better have > them mighty fine. And one should be very careful about *raised* ribs on > the underside of any WW1 wing, however subtly it is done, because it's > probably weong. > > FWIW the reason that the ribs show on the upper surface is that the > doped fabric, as it tightens, seeks to form a straight line between the > front and rear of the wing. Since the upper rib contour is convex, the > fabric pulls below the line of the ribs which stick OUT. > > On the undersurface, same deal, except the surface is concave. The > fabric taughtens and tries to form a straight line between leading (LE) > and trailing (TE) edges. Since it's attached to the ribs, it stays put > along the ribs, but in between it pulls below the line of the ribs. > However, it's less obvious because the undersurface curve is flatter > (and has to be of course). > > I looked for this effect on *all* the aircraft wings while I was there. > The greater the undercamber, the greater the effect. But most of them > look virtually flat (along the span, not the chord) unless you take > steps to check it. However, where riblets are present along the LE, > they tend to stick out, as do the undersurfaces of the ribs in up to > about the first 1/5 of the chord because the underside is sometimes > convex at that point. > > Me, I'm going to sand the undersides of all my wings flat and paint in > tapes - it seems that all the old 1/72 vacforms I built have the most > accurate wing > > Regards > > Shane > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 15:40:58 -0700 From: Charles Hart To: wwi Subject: Squadron Special Message-ID: Greetings All, The e-mail special from Squadron Mail Order is the Tom's Modelworks Pfalz D-XII kin, 1/48, US$18.99 plus shipping. Surf on over to: http://www.squadron.com/mailorder/index.html Order by 3:00 p.m., Tuesday, 24 June. Disclaimer, not affiliated or profiting from Squadron Mail order. Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 08:25:12 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Now, will I wish I never brought it up? Message-ID: Hi Brad You comment >Just a thought! What would the depth of the sag between the ribs >be if, instead of being kept in a climate controlled museum, a DVa wing was >left out on a french farm field for three or four seasons, making daily (or >thrice daily) sorties to 15 to 20,000 ft in and out of cloud, smoke, etc... >Being stressed by ham fisted pilots or severely panicked ones. Not to >mention frequent archie concussion, bombing and strafing, ham fisted riggers....... Just a thought. Fair comment. But leaving aside the point that the fabric between the ribs does NOT sag, it's taut on both upper and lower surfaces, you can answer your own question by careful inpection of photographs. Aircraft aerofoils do require the fabric to be tight if they are to work properly, and care was (and still is) taken to ensure that the fabric stays that way. If the fabric became "loose" the drag rises dramatically and the wing would be likely to shed the covering and fail. Not *my* words entirely, but those of a friend who owns 1:1 Auster and a 1:1 Moth, both fabric covered. Shane ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 19:26:33 -0400 (EDT) From: JimAlley@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Scale Wars and CPU Wars Message-ID: <970623192619_72968328@emout14.mail.aol.com> >Ever go to a software store and try to buy a game (or anything else for >that matter)for the MAC ? No not that little hole in wall in East Cupcake >thats a four hour drive.... > > >End of story...... :-) Nope. Never. I order from one of the six or seven mail order places that send me 100-page catalogs of all-Mac software every week or so. The local places prolly only have the top few hundred titles, anyhow. Back to the other war: I also picked up the Eduard Hansa-Brandenburg last week. Anybody have any words of wisdom on that one? Re: the Anatra. Yes, all those little radiator hose thingies were a problem. Several, in fact, flew from my tweezers directly to Never-Never Land. Trying tonight to replace them with bent straight-pen shafts. What color are they supposed to be, anyway? Jim Alley ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 18:19:03 -0500 From: barrett@iplink.net (barrett) To: wwi Subject: Re: 1/72ers Only: Re: Horka kits Message-ID: Patrick informed us: >Greetings! I received my kits from Silverbirds this morning. >I had ordered two of the Horka resin kits, and folks, they are >gorgeous! Thank you Patrick! This is exactly what we 1/72ers needed to know. I've been waiting for someone to get a look at these things. Much appreciated. Kevin B. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 18:05:18 -0400 From: "Don Rinker" To: Subject: Re: Squadron Special Message-ID: <199706232206.SAA20082@post1.fast.net> > > The e-mail special from Squadron Mail Order is the Tom's Modelworks > Pfalz D-XII kin, 1/48, US$18.99 plus shipping. > > Surf on over to: > > http://www.squadron.com/mailorder/index.html > > Order by 3:00 p.m., Tuesday, 24 June. The 24 hour special is a TOms Modelworks Pfalz D-XII in 1 /48 A resin and cast metal kit Anyone seen or built one? Opinions on qaulity... Accuracy? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 20:38:57 -0400 From: bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Scale Wars and CPU Wars Message-ID: <199706240038.UAA15580@pease1.sr.unh.edu> At 08:22 PM 6/23/97 -0400, JimAlley@aol.com wrote: > I also picked up the Eduard Hansa-Brandenburg last >week. Anybody have any words of wisdom on that one? Yeah, if you figure out a way to get the struts lined up properly, let me know. Mine look like they, or I, had a little too much to drink when glued in place. They decals are nice, but almost transparently thin if applied over a dark than normal wood grain. >Re: the Anatra. Yes, all those little radiator hose thingies were a >problem. Several, in fact, flew from my tweezers directly to Never-Never >Land. Trying tonight to replace them with bent straight-pen shafts. What >color are they supposed to be, anyway? I painted mine copper and they looked real cool! HTH Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 20:38:58 -0400 From: bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: OTF Binders Message-ID: <199706240038.UAA15587@pease1.sr.unh.edu> I got my binders for Over The Front today. Peter et al did a great job; a royal blue binder with gold lettering. Worth the wait and the $$$$. Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 19:37:14 -0500 From: Kevin Wenker To: wwi Subject: Re: Gotha Photoetch Message-ID: <33AF16BA.4636@interaccess.com> GRBroman@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 97-05-26 23:35:03 EDT, you write: > > << >> > > Kevin, I have some old drawings from a harry Woodman article on the Gotha, > do > > you need any more refernces? Glen > > Yes, I do. Anything would be a help. > >> > Kevin, I have the copies ready to go, but like a fool, I forgot to ask for > your address. The copies are a little light, but very readable. Anyway, let > me know where to send them and I will send them out to you. Glen Thanks, Kevin Wenker 9218 Whitehall Ln Orland Park, IL 60462 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 21:38:32 -0400 From: "S.M. Head" To: wwi Subject: RE: Now, will I wish I never brought it up? Message-ID: <9706232005.aa23168@mail.iapc.net> Shane pointed out a flaw in my previous post: > >Although I noted that the surface is almost flat, the ribs underneath >ALL the wings I checked are *indented* and absolutely not raised. So >the effect (illusion) of *raised* ribs is only correct for the upper >surface. Ahh, in my zeal I failed to be thorough in my rantings. I stand somewhat corrected- as I furiously typed my ideas, I simply and conveniently forgot that your main point focused on the lower wing. I'll eat half of my words, someone pass the salt! (But generally, I don't bother one way or another with the underside of a wing- I just cross my fingers that no one will look!) Cheers all! Scott H --------------------------------------------------------------------- Scott M. Head (smh@iapc.net) IPMS/USA #32841 "Make it idiot proof - IPMS/Houston Scale Model Forum and someone will make a better idiot!" http://web-hou.iapc.net/~smh --------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 09:03:02 -0400 From: spbldr To: wwi Subject: Re: Scale Wars and CPU Wars Message-ID: <33AFC586.5ECE@concentric.net> JimAlley@aol.com wrote: > > >Ever go to a software store and try to buy a game (or anything else for > >that matter)for the MAC ? No not that little hole in wall in East Cupcake > >thats a four hour drive.... > > > > > >End of story...... :-) > > Nope. Never. I order from one of the six or seven mail order places that > send me 100-page catalogs of all-Mac software every week or so. The local > places prolly only have the top few hundred titles, anyhow. > > Back to the other war: I also picked up the Eduard Hansa-Brandenburg last > week. Anybody have any words of wisdom on that one? > > Re: the Anatra. Yes, all those little radiator hose thingies were a > problem. Several, in fact, flew from my tweezers directly to Never-Never > Land. Trying tonight to replace them with bent straight-pen shafts. What > color are they supposed to be, anyway? > > Jim Alley I have not recd. any information on where to stay at the conv. could someone send me a list of places to stay and their phone numbers Roger Belanger -- ROGER BELANGER A job worth doing is a job worth doing well ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 12:41:39 +0900 From: Hirohisa Ozaki To: wwi Subject: Eduard M.S.Type L Message-ID: <9706240344.AA06117@zoo.miln.mei.co.jp> Hello All, Now I am building Eduard M.S. Type L, Warneford's 3283. I have queries following points: 1) color, side panel of nose. It is dark grain of wood on Eduard colour instruction. But It looks like white(stained by exhaust) on the photo of DATAFILE 16. 2) structure which connected lever and bomb rack. In DATAFILE 16 photo, they are connected a wire, but I could not understand conneted condition. Does anyone know these? Hiro. -- from Japan --***************************************** Hirohisa Ozaki. office : ozaki@miln.mei.co.jp BBS, private : SGW01370@niftyserve.or.jp ********************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 12:15:29 +0900 From: Hirohisa Ozaki To: wwi Subject: Re : Now, will I wish I never brought it up? Message-ID: <9706240318.AA06048@zoo.miln.mei.co.jp> Hello Francois, It's a nice idea. I will try this way next time. > Dear Shane, > You have a point. With 1/72 vac-form wing undersides I use a simple > technique: I just draw the rib lines with a soft pencil using a flexible > steel ruler. Under a thin coat of "Clear doped linen" paint the effect looks > just right. So easy! > Best regards, > Francois -- from Japan --***************************************** Hirohisa Ozaki. office : ozaki@miln.mei.co.jp BBS, private : SGW01370@niftyserve.or.jp ********************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 21:24:02 -0700 From: Michelle and Rory Goodwin To: wwi Subject: Re: Heller Spad VII Message-ID: <33AF4BE2.213B@ricochet.net> barrett wrote: > > I saw this at a local hobby shop in their "old kit" section. There was no > scale listed on the outside of the box. I guess it looked pretty old, > though I can't be sure. Markings are for Guynemer's machine. I didn't buy > it, but I wondered if any list members are familiar with the kit? I've > never heard anyone talk about this one before, even when there was that > short-lived thread about Spad VII kits about two months back. > > Would anyone like to pitch-in their thoughts on this particular bird? > > Kevin B. Kevin, I just returned one of these to the shop where I bought it. The odd scale didn't bother me as much as the S.XIII type tail, lack of under cowl louvers/little or no panel detail, malformed gun,exhaust and headrest fairing, undersized cylinder head fairings, thick vinyl (not many glues bond vinyl!) struts/armchair "seat" and huge pilot holes for rigging. Other than that, it's a perfectly fine little toy kit with nice Guynemer decals. Good for painting excercise/ childs's 1st WWI model. I concluded it might be easier to convert a Testor's Spad XIII- or just go ahead and blow the money for a Blue Max S.VII if you are more than $30 serious. FWIW, Riordan -- Michelle and Riordan Goodwin Visit our websites: Michelle's Home/Resume Page: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/9171 Riordan's Wings of Revolution: http://www.serve.com/rgoodwin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 03:54:27 -0400 (EDT) From: ModelerAl@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Forwarded for list member's info Message-ID: <970624035424_-428165413@emout17.mail.aol.com> Hope this gets to everyone in time! Here is Squadron's web site: Squadron Mail Order=20 << Subject: Re:Air:Alert:SquadronSale(Beamish) From: skarver@aol.com (SKarver) Date: 24 Jun 1997 01:49:29 GMT The Bruce Beamish 24 Hour E-Mail Special Tom's Model Works from USA 1/48 Scale=20 BB-TW0116 Pfalz D XI1=A0=A0 $35.95=A0=A0 $18.99 Resin Cast w/white metal & brass detail parts Sale ends at 3:00 P.M. June 24th.>> Al ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 589 *********************