WWI Digest 584 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Smer Nie.11/16 by Geoff Smith 2) website query by "Valenciano . Jose" 3) Treasures of the AWM by Shane Weier 4) RE: Smer reissues by Shane Weier 5) RE: Smer reissues by Shane Weier 6) Re: Smer reissues/Ansaldo SVA5 by BStett3770@aol.com 7) RE: reissues/Airfix Hannovers by Shane Weier 8) RE: Smer reissues/Ansaldo SVA5 by Shane Weier 9) Re: reissues/Airfix Hannovers by Michelle and Rory Goodwin 10) Swap n Shop by "Leonard Endy" 11) Re: Smer reissues/Ansaldo SVA5 by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 12) Re: Treasures of the AWM by "Valenciano . Jose" 13) RE: Smer reissues/Ansaldo SVA5 by "S.M. Head" 14) Re: Treasures of the AWM by Bill Bacon 15) Re: New hi-Tech Breguet XIV by Fportier@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 18:17:53 -0400 From: Geoff Smith To: "INTERNET:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Smer Nie.11/16 Message-ID: <199706181818_MC2-18C0-1345@compuserve.com> Paul Schwartzkopf and Riordan wrote: >> Especially now when the Blue Max kit >> is about $50. >> = >> = >> = >> Paul >Paul, >Some of us are financially challenged, as well as no where near that >serious about modeling. I'm more into history & the people who made it. >Smer offers fair (and dirt-cheap) alternatives to ultra-accurate kits >that seem to be manufactured more for collectors than builders. For that= >price, I'd expect a 1/48 R-plane! Thank the god of your choice for >Eduard! = >Personally, when I think of spending $50, more books come to mind than >models anyway. I'm glad someone else is, I was beginning to think I was the only one who= had to think seriously about what I exchanged my bank account for. I thin= k $50 is a bit over the top, well all right it's a lot over. I was at an Airshow ten days ago and having failed to find what I really wanted, spen= t =A310 on the Blue Max Nie.11 not knowing the original cost. Obviously the= retailer didn't either or he wanted to get rid of the battered box. The b= ox didn't bother me and the contents were intact so I bought it. Well, it wa= s that or the Spad at the same price, now I'm hoping he'll be at the next show and I'll rip his hands off. :-) Does everyone else find that the references cost more than the resulting model. (Apart, of course, from the copies and things that you generous souls contribute to the seriously desperate) With reference to the de Turrenne family shield, does anyone know if it should have red/gold stripes or red/black? The kit says the flying surfac= es were outlined dark grey/black yet hereabouts recently I've seen gold as t= he outline for the rudder. Can anyone clarify please? Regards, Geoff. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 06:39:47 +0800 (GMT+0800) From: "Valenciano . Jose" To: wwi Subject: website query Message-ID: Hi guys, Someone posted a website of a publishing house of aircraft books. this site had aircraft screen savers and a link to an aviation art site. Could anyone who knows which site I'm referring to please send me the address? Someone erased my bookmarks and.... ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 08:39:15 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi'" Subject: Treasures of the AWM Message-ID: Hi all, I'm back from Canberra with 13 rolls of film expended at the Australian War Memorial. A wonderful trip. The AWM were kind enough to provide me with a ladder and a succession of research assistants to take notes, move signs and barriers and provide hot tea and general conversation. I now have a comprehensive walk around of the Albatros D.Va, Pfalz D.XII and RAF SE-5a at the Memorial itself. Always assuming that my photographic skills were up to taking such shots, a question not yet answered. I spent last Sunday at the Treloar centre, where the AWM keeps other retored aircraft in a dust filtered, controlled environment which the public can only view from an enclosed catwalk. Again I was fortunate enough to be granted the opportunity - begging and pleading in advance helped - to go inside the storage area to photograph the treasures there. Unfortunately, due to space restrictions, the three WW1 aircraft are displayed sans wings. However, I was able to take a good coverage of the three beautiful planes currently there as well, an AVRO 504, a De Havilland DH-9, and the frail looking but magnificent 1912 Deperdussin monoplane. To any who ever make it to Canberra I can't recommend the Treloar Centre highly enough. A short list of other WW1 treasure includes a wide variety of artillery, A Mk.IV Female, a gun turret from SMS Emden and another from her executioner HMAS Sydney, a whaler used to land troops at Gallipoli and a number of aero engines. Setting aside the list topic for an instant, the centre also has a Type 21 Zero flown by Saburo Sakai, Mustang, Mosquito, Meteor, Canberra, Me-163, Me-262, V-1, V-2 and more all beautifully and authentically restored. Oh, and a Bf-109 thingy which they have "conserved, but not restored" because it is believed to be the only such aircraft still in existence with the original paintwork intact, right up to the crew chiefs grease pencil annotations. Finally I was taken into the restoration area to see progress on the latest project, a CAC Wirraway trainer. Very impressive, especially the detective work done by the curatorial team to show the original form of the personal marking. A great place and a great visit. If the photographs look good, I'll be sending Al a nice selection for the page. Who knows, one (film 3 frame 24) may even show the screen at the rear of the Albatros cockpit though for the life of me I can't recall what it actually was. Y'all shoulda asked LAST week ;-) Regards Shane ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 08:43:48 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Smer reissues Message-ID: Sandy, > On Sun, 15 Jun 1997, Bill Shatzer wrote: >> I think that's why Sopwith gave all his aircraft names instead >> of bloomin' numbers - so that bumpkins like me couldn't keep >> getting the numbers mixed up. > >Except for the Camel to which he gave catchy names like: >F1, 2F1, TF1, NF - should have called them Dromedary, Bactrian, Pantomime >etc >Sandy > Clearly the "Pantomime" would be the shipboard version in which the back half was removable from the front half ;-) Shane > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 08:45:47 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Smer reissues Message-ID: Sandy > Can anybody who has access to each kit please tell me if the transfers inside are WTK (worth the kit) or WFA (work it out!). Doh, wouldn't that be WIO then ? ;-) Shane ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 19:01:27 -0400 (EDT) From: BStett3770@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Smer reissues/Ansaldo SVA5 Message-ID: <970618190004_24336335@emout19.mail.aol.com> Jim For working with the wood decal : Make a template from paper for the different shapes.( Most of the Albatros were wood panels, so cut the templates to match the kit panel lines or photos) Cut and experiment till it works. Then use it to cut the decals. Then there are decal softing products ( Solvaset, Microset ,etc.) These will make the decal conform to all sorts of curves & shapes. It takes practice. But anyone whom can draw as well as you do , will work it out. Barry Rosemont Hobby ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 09:16:34 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: reissues/Airfix Hannovers Message-ID: Hello all >> I can think of several suppliers near me who have stacks of these things - >> if you want any of them, you will be able to get them pretty painlessly. >> Sandy > With the exception of the Hannoveraner... Have searched my store and see that there are three Airfix Hannovers therein. Also am holding a catalogue for an auction this weekend which has another three in it. I anticipate they'll go for under A$10 each, about US$7.50. If anyone wants one I'll gladly bid for you if you give me a limit since I doubt I'll ever build all three of mine Shane ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 09:31:18 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Smer reissues/Ansaldo SVA5 Message-ID: Scott, >Joey opines: >>The fuselage is spot on 1/48 but you'll have to make new wings. And you ask: >Yikes! Are they that bad? Or can I simply sheet over the underside? I don't >have a decent set of plans for this one, just a Balilla. And would anyone >have any ideas as to cockpit details? I have a photo of the interior but it's rather dark and gloomy, so it isn't much help. The worst problem with the wings is the extremely peculiar cross section in which the leading edge is so folded over as to make the undersides look like a trough. I'll make new wings myself, but you can probably make the kits wings look a lot better by some judicious reduction of the prominent LE ridge from beneath, to at least give something approaching an aerofoil section. Otherwise I agree with Joey, the fuselage is a fair approximation of 1/48, and with a few nips and tucks will look very nice. I have the datafile, there are good plans, which you are welcome to for the price of your snail mail address. I'm afraid I can't recall what interior detail there is, but if there IS any, thats yours too. Shane ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 16:38:52 -0700 From: Michelle and Rory Goodwin To: wwi Subject: Re: reissues/Airfix Hannovers Message-ID: <33A8718C.7A0C@ricochet.net> Shane Weier wrote: > > Hello all > > >> I can think of several suppliers near me who have stacks of these things - > >> if you want any of them, you will be able to get them pretty painlessly. > >> Sandy > > > With the exception of the Hannoveraner... > > Have searched my store and see that there are three Airfix Hannovers > therein. Also am holding a catalogue for an auction this weekend which > has another three in it. I anticipate they'll go for under A$10 each, > about US$7.50. If anyone wants one I'll gladly bid for you if you give > me a limit since I doubt I'll ever build all three of mine > > Shane I'm afraid you've caught me at a lean time, so I'll have to pass for now...I may eventually just blow the $30 on the Eduard kit. Riordan -- Michelle and Riordan Goodwin Visit our websites: Michelle's Home/Resume Page: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/9171 Riordan's Wings of Revolution: http://www.serve.com/rgoodwin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 00:34:49 GMT From: "Leonard Endy" To: wwi Subject: Swap n Shop Message-ID: <33aa7d9d.1258409@legend.firstsaga.com> The Swap 'n' Shop site will probably not be accessible on Thursday and possibly Friday. My ISP is moving shop and they anticipate to be back up by Thursday evening (yeah, right, and I shook the Glencoe Albatros box and out dropped a perfect machine.) The site URL will not change according to the info I have. Thanks to all who have provided info for the site and I look forward to expanding it more as time permits. (Means...get the house painted Dear...) Len Endy reply to: lfendy@firstsaga.com "Planes, Trains and...that's all that matters." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 20:02:48 -0700 From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: Smer reissues/Ansaldo SVA5 Message-ID: <199706190302.AA06740@ednet1.orednet.org> Scott H writes: >Yikes! Are they that bad? Or can I simply sheet over the underside? I don't >have a decent set of plans for this one, just a Balilla. And would anyone >have any ideas as to cockpit details? I have a photo of the interior but >it's rather dark and gloomy, so it isn't much help. There's a pretty good interior cockpit photo for the SVA.5 on page 30 of the Datafile. Want a copy? Cheers, -- - Bill Shatzer bshatzer@orednet.org - - Cave ab homine unius libri! - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 12:13:26 +0800 (GMT+0800) From: "Valenciano . Jose" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Treasures of the AWM Message-ID: On Wed, 18 Jun 1997, Shane Weier wrote: > I now have a comprehensive walk around of the Albatros D.Va, Pfalz > D.XII and RAF SE-5a at the Memorial itself. Way to go, Shane! I like that word, "comprehensive". Hope we all get to see the shots. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 00:36:58 -0400 From: "S.M. Head" To: wwi Subject: RE: Smer reissues/Ansaldo SVA5 Message-ID: <9706182312.aa25827@mail.iapc.net> >Scott, > >>Joey opines: >>>The fuselage is spot on 1/48 but you'll have to make new wings. > >And you ask: >>Yikes! Are they that bad? Or can I simply sheet over the underside? I don't >>have a decent set of plans for this one, just a Balilla. And would anyone >>have any ideas as to cockpit details? I have a photo of the interior but >it's rather dark and gloomy, so it isn't much help. > >The worst problem with the wings is the extremely peculiar cross section >in which the leading edge is so folded over as to make the undersides >look like a trough. I'll make new wings myself, but you can probably >make the kits wings look a lot better by some judicious reduction of the >prominent LE ridge from beneath, to at least give something approaching >an aerofoil section. > >Otherwise I agree with Joey, the fuselage is a fair approximation of >1/48, and with a few nips and tucks will look very nice. > >I have the datafile, there are good plans, which you are welcome to for >the price of your snail mail address. I'm afraid I can't recall what >interior detail there is, but if there IS any, thats yours too. > >Shane Shane, Thanks for the offer, but Joey V. got to it before. He's sending me a set of plans. Thanks anyway, I'm always amazed at the generous nature of the folks in this group. I think I'll try building new wings, maybe the plastic over balsa method. Cheers! Scott Head smh@iapc.net nb: Eduard Ansaldo Baby, 1/48 also nb: Eduard Fok. E.V on hold: Airfix Hannover diorama, I loved it! Pics for the WWI website when done. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 23:57:15 -0500 From: Bill Bacon To: wwi Subject: Re: Treasures of the AWM Message-ID: <33A8BC2B.3B3E@netjava.net> Shane, Glad you had a great trip. I drool at the thought. Last time I saw your fair land was during the late unpleasentness in the '40's. Did my time in Sammy's Finest and touched Austraia briefly during my all expense tour of the Pacific. You are as friendly and unassuming as your countrymen I met in that time long past but never forgotten. If anyone could pull off a real coup, I was sure it would be you. All of us on the list are most grateful for you efforts. Welcome back to the fold. Cheers, Bill B. Shane Weier wrote: > > Hi all, > > I'm back from Canberra with 13 rolls of film expended at the Australian > War Memorial. > > A wonderful trip. The AWM were kind enough to provide me with a ladder > and a succession of research assistants to take notes, move signs and > barriers and provide hot tea and general conversation. > > I now have a comprehensive walk around of the Albatros D.Va, Pfalz > D.XII and RAF SE-5a at the Memorial itself. Always assuming that my > photographic skills were up to taking such shots, a question not yet > answered. > > I spent last Sunday at the Treloar centre, where the AWM keeps other > retored aircraft in a dust filtered, controlled environment which the > public can only view from an enclosed catwalk. Again I was fortunate > enough to be granted the opportunity - begging and pleading in advance > helped - to go inside the storage area to photograph the treasures > there. > > Unfortunately, due to space restrictions, the three WW1 aircraft are > displayed sans wings. However, I was able to take a good coverage of the > three beautiful planes currently there as well, an AVRO 504, a De > Havilland DH-9, and the frail looking but magnificent 1912 Deperdussin > monoplane. > > To any who ever make it to Canberra I can't recommend the Treloar Centre > highly enough. A short list of other WW1 treasure includes a wide > variety of artillery, A Mk.IV Female, a gun turret from SMS Emden and > another from her executioner HMAS Sydney, a whaler used to land troops > at Gallipoli and a number of aero engines. Setting aside the list topic > for an instant, the centre also has a Type 21 Zero flown by Saburo > Sakai, Mustang, Mosquito, Meteor, Canberra, Me-163, Me-262, V-1, V-2 and > more all beautifully and authentically restored. Oh, and a Bf-109 thingy > which they have "conserved, but not restored" because it is believed to > be the only such aircraft still in existence with the original paintwork > intact, right up to the crew chiefs grease pencil annotations. > > Finally I was taken into the restoration area to see progress on the > latest project, a CAC Wirraway trainer. Very impressive, especially the > detective work done by the curatorial team to show the original form of > the personal marking. > > A great place and a great visit. If the photographs look good, I'll be > sending Al a nice selection for the page. Who knows, one (film 3 frame > 24) may even show the screen at the rear of the Albatros cockpit though > for the life of me I can't recall what it actually was. Y'all shoulda > asked LAST week ;-) > > Regards > > Shane ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 04:37:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Fportier@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: New hi-Tech Breguet XIV Message-ID: <970619043735_125024621@emout04.mail.aol.com> Dear Mr Campbell, Thanks for the information. No, I didn't guess the price of the Breguet to be FF200, or $35, it is the price which appears on the newest official listings from the manufacturer. That excludes P&P, export duties etc etc. I only build 1/72 so I'm not personally interested in the new hi-tech kit, but I thought other people might be. I am to have lunch with Philippe Jourdan (the manufacturer) next Tuesday so will keep list members informed if any interesting new information and secrets come up (such as what food we had, what wines etc). Best wishes, Francois ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 584 *********************