WWI Digest 580 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Testing...and Albatros D.V by DavidL1217@aol.com 2) Re: Testing...and Albatros D.V by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 3) Air-Britain Files by Sandy Adam 4) Re: Air-Britain Files by Bob Pearson 5) Re: Testing...and Albatros D.V by mbittner@juno.com 6) Re: Testing...and Albatros D.V by "Fernando E. Lamas, M.D." ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 12:41:43 -0400 (EDT) From: DavidL1217@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Testing...and Albatros D.V Message-ID: <970614124139_-529872072@emout08.mail.aol.com> No, to keep the wind out and reduce drag. The Germans were studying aerodynamics before the Wright Brothers. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 11:46:43 -0700 From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: Testing...and Albatros D.V Message-ID: <199706141846.AA26754@ednet1.orednet.org> Sandy writes: >Just to complicate matters, I see that Charles Schaedel in his Kookaburra >Albatros book has clearly drawn a wood screen in his exploded view drawing >of a DVa - presumably from Canberra source. >Sandy Ditto the "cut-away" drawings by John Weal and M. A. Badrocke in "Great Fighter Aircraft" - it identifies it as a "plywood bulkhead" as well. Dunno on this 'un. On the Fokkers the screen was definitely fabric but on the Albatri, plywood could make sense. Cheers, -- - Bill Shatzer bshatzer@orednet.org - - Cave ab homine unius libri! - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 10:39:15 +0100 (BST) From: Sandy Adam To: wwi group Subject: Air-Britain Files Message-ID: Thanks to all who helped me try to get A-B phone number - I never did eventually but wrote instead. Many of you probably already have these but for those who don't, the Files on the Camel and the SE5 must be amongst the biggest bargains around. Camel File is 16GBP, SE5 20GBP but if you are C&C member this becomes 13 & 16GBP respectively - including UK p&P. US p&p is only 2GBP more! This makes them same price or cheaper than Datafiles and there is no comparison in the amount of detail you get. They are both packed with photos and list every a/c by serial number with history, pilots, victories, loss etc. The Camel File has 17!!! pages of 1/48 plans for every variant of F1, TF1, 2F1, NF, Swallow etc. SE5 has 5 or 6 pages of colour views. The books are worth the money for these alone. They are relatively sparse on detail close-ups and do not give plans or details on engines/cockpits unfortunately - but everyting else is all gain. Instead of building yet another bloody Albatros, for those obsessed by the bad guys - why not try von Kissenberth's Camel - yes thats right - Camel. He scored his 20th victory in a captured Camel covered in Kreuzen! God knows what the poor sod in the downed SE5 thought when it opened fire on him! Anyway, rave review on Files - bargains - if anybody needs phone number I now have it. Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 15:33:56 -0700 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Re: Air-Britain Files Message-ID: <22335621616132@KAIEN.COM> One other Air-Britain title worth having is "ROYAL NAVY AIRCRAFT SERIALS AND UNITS 1911-1919". This is in the same format of the other two, but without GA drawings. It does have a short history of the various RNAS/RAF units as well as maps of the aerodrome layout of the UK bases of the RNAS. I have found both this and the CAMEL FILE to be excellent resources and look forward to the SE5 FILE Bob ---------- > From: Sandy Adam > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Air-Britain Files > Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 17:37:55 -0400 > > Thanks to all who helped me try to get A-B phone number - I never did > eventually but wrote instead. > Many of you probably already have these but for those who don't, the Files > on the Camel and the SE5 must be amongst the biggest bargains around. > Camel File is 16GBP, SE5 20GBP but if you are C&C member this becomes 13 & > 16GBP respectively - including UK p&P. US p&p is only 2GBP more! > This makes them same price or cheaper than Datafiles and there is no > comparison in the amount of detail you get. > They are both packed with photos and list every a/c by serial number with > history, pilots, victories, loss etc. > The Camel File has 17!!! pages of 1/48 plans for every variant of F1, TF1, > 2F1, NF, Swallow etc. SE5 has 5 or 6 pages of colour views. The books are > worth the money for these alone. > They are relatively sparse on detail close-ups and do not give plans or > details on engines/cockpits unfortunately - but everyting else is all > gain. > Instead of building yet another bloody Albatros, for those obsessed by the > bad guys - why not try von Kissenberth's Camel - yes thats right - Camel. > He scored his 20th victory in a captured Camel covered in Kreuzen! God > knows what the poor sod in the downed SE5 thought when it opened fire on > him! > Anyway, rave review on Files - bargains - if anybody needs phone number I > now have it. > Sandy > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 21:37:01 -0500 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Testing...and Albatros D.V Message-ID: <19970614.213702.16110.2.mbittner@juno.com> On Sat, 14 Jun 1997 14:53:07 -0400 bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) writes: >Ditto the "cut-away" drawings by John Weal and M. A. Badrocke in >"Great Fighter Aircraft" - it identifies it as a "plywood bulkhead" >as well. > >Dunno on this 'un. On the Fokkers the screen was definitely >fabric but on the Albatri, plywood could make sense. Gads. Here I had my mind made up, and now there's three possibilities: Fabric, CDL Fabric, lozenge Plywood Since the machine I'm doing is 5-color, I think I might opt for "fabric, lozenge", just to break up the "bland" colors of the cockpit. What do ya'all think? Matt mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 20:14:00 -0700 (PDT) From: "Fernando E. Lamas, M.D." To: wwi Subject: Re: Testing...and Albatros D.V Message-ID: <199706150314.UAA29841@olympus.net> > >There is a "panel" ("bulkhead") that sits behind the seat. If you look >at the color photo's from the Mikesh book, it would have you think that >it's a metal panel, since it's painted the same green-gray color as the >rest of the metal parts in the cockpit. However, the few photo's I've >seen of crashed birds - as well as those taken a while back of the >Australian bird - would tell me that it's a fabric "panel", and not metal >at all. > I looked this up in in Smithsonian book of the restoration of their Albatros D.Va. Page 41 has two photos of this area "to the rear of the cockpit that is closed with a canvas bulkhead". An "X" shaped wooden cross bracing is in this area and the canvas bulkhead was mounted immediatly forward of it so that it was flush with the bracing. The color used in the restoration was the same grey-green as the metal parts in the cockpit. (Would lozenge have been considered a more "expensive" cloth and only used when required for wings, etc. thereby leaving non-lozenge fabric for interior use?) It would seem to me to be an aerodynamic feature. Wind blowing into the fusalage would have exerted quite a bit of drag. Fernando Lamas ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 580 *********************