WWI Digest 579 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Testing... by Jesse Thorn 2) Re: Testing...and Albatros D.V by mbittner@juno.com 3) Re: Testing...and Albatros D.V by bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 4) Re: Testing...and Albatros D.V by gspring@ix.netcom.com 5) Re: Testing...and Albatros D.V by DavidL1217@aol.com 6) Re: Testing...and Albatros D.V by Sandy Adam 7) Re: Testing...and Albatros D.V by "David Solosy" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 13:43:41 -0400 From: Jesse Thorn To: wwi Subject: Testing... Message-ID: Hi, I haven't received much in the last two days from the list and was simply issuing a test message. --Jesse ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 15:49:36 -0500 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Testing...and Albatros D.V Message-ID: <19970613.154937.16382.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Fri, 13 Jun 1997 13:40:35 -0400 Jesse Thorn writes: >I haven't received much in the last two days from the list and was >simply issuing a test message. We're here, just a bit slow. My Albatros D.V question: There is a "panel" ("bulkhead") that sits behind the seat. If you look at the color photo's from the Mikesh book, it would have you think that it's a metal panel, since it's painted the same green-gray color as the rest of the metal parts in the cockpit. However, the few photo's I've seen of crashed birds - as well as those taken a while back of the Australian bird - would tell me that it's a fabric "panel", and not metal at all. So, any hints? I'm thinking of painting the one on the Eduard kit CDL, but wanted to post my query to the list. TIA! Matt mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 17:04:13 -0400 From: bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Testing...and Albatros D.V Message-ID: <199706132104.RAA25810@pease1.sr.unh.edu> At 04:51 PM 6/13/97 -0400, mbittner@juno.com wrote: >My Albatros D.V question: > >There is a "panel" ("bulkhead") that sits behind the seat. If you look >at the color photo's from the Mikesh book, it would have you think that >it's a metal panel, since it's painted the same green-gray color as the >rest of the metal parts in the cockpit. However, the few photo's I've >seen of crashed birds - as well as those taken a while back of the >Australian bird - would tell me that it's a fabric "panel", and not metal >at all. > >So, any hints? I'm thinking of painting the one on the Eduard kit CDL, >but wanted to post my query to the list. TIA! Just a guess, but if it really was designed as a bulkhead, what was its purpose? To close up the cockpit from the rear of the plane for aesthetic purposes? If so, CDL makes as much sense as anything. If it was to form some slight protection, head rest support or storage space, metal makes more sense. Then again, maybe they just liked that damned green color. Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 18:48:10 -0500 (CDT) From: gspring@ix.netcom.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Testing...and Albatros D.V Message-ID: <199761318459641@ix.netcom.com> On 06/13/97 17:05:01 Mike wrote: > >At 04:51 PM 6/13/97 -0400, mbittner@juno.com wrote: > >>My Albatros D.V question: >> >>There is a "panel" ("bulkhead") that sits behind the seat. If you look >>at the color photo's from the Mikesh book, it would have you think that >>it's a metal panel, since it's painted the same green-gray color as the >>rest of the metal parts in the cockpit. However, the few photo's I've >>seen of crashed birds - as well as those taken a while back of the >>Australian bird - would tell me that it's a fabric "panel", and not metal >>at all. >> >>So, any hints? I'm thinking of painting the one on the Eduard kit CDL, >>but wanted to post my query to the list. TIA! > Just a guess, but if it really was designed as a bulkhead, what was >its purpose? To close up the cockpit from the rear of the plane for >aesthetic purposes? If so, CDL makes as much sense as anything. If it was to >form some slight protection, head rest support or storage space, metal makes >more sense. Then again, maybe they just liked that damned green color. I have read that this fabric screen was installed on Fokker aircraft to prevent airflow from entering the fuselage and ballooning or buffeting the fuselage covering fabric. Why such a screen would be needed on the plywood- covered Albatri I don't know. Keeping rain out perhaps? It's made from fabric so that it could be easily removed to get at control cables for adjustment or repair. That 'damned green color' is pretty close to feldgrau, the standard German army uniform color. Cheers! Greg ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 21:42:24 -0400 (EDT) From: DavidL1217@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Testing...and Albatros D.V Message-ID: <970613214223_1525121905@emout18.mail.aol.com> I have been told by knowledgeable folks that the Smithsonian Albatros has a few errors: Too light of varnish, too dark on the green(should be grey-green) , and perhaps the wings are not original and should be green and mauve and not lozenge, ( hmmm, the last bit makes some sense as the tail is white and not lozenge) The story behind the lozenge is that one of the senior OTF guys had some fabirc from the tail and scraped off the yellow and green paint and found underside blue! Any way, if you do a lozenge bird, I assume that the canvas bulkhead would be lozenge. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 10:25:52 +0100 (BST) From: Sandy Adam To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Testing...and Albatros D.V Message-ID: > > I have read that this fabric screen was installed on Fokker aircraft to > prevent airflow from entering the fuselage and ballooning or buffeting the > fuselage covering fabric. Why such a screen would be needed on the plywood- > covered Albatri I don't know. Keeping rain out perhaps? It's made > from fabric so that it could be easily removed to get at control cables for > adjustment or repair. That 'damned green color' is pretty close to > feldgrau, the standard German army uniform color. > Greg Yep, I'm with you Greg - some time ago, when I made my crashed Fokker Tripe, I remeber chasing the refs and getting same answers for Fokkers. Why they put them in ply fuselages I can't say for sure - may be for aerodynamic efficiency - closing the neck of the open tube? Just to complicate matters, I see that Charles Schaedel in his Kookaburra Albatros book has clearly drawn a wood screen in his exploded view drawing of a DVa - presumably from Canberra source. Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 19:46:45 +0800 From: "David Solosy" To: Subject: Re: Testing...and Albatros D.V Message-ID: 11521576901250@argo.net.au Sandy Adam wrote: > Why they put them in ply fuselages I can't say for sure - may be for > aerodynamic efficiency - closing the neck of the open tube? > Just to complicate matters, I see that Charles Schaedel in his Kookaburra > Albatros book has clearly drawn a wood screen in his exploded view drawing > of a DVa - presumably from Canberra source. > Sandy However, the Canberra source, judging by the photo on page 45 of the Windsock Special Albatros Fighters, would indicate that it was a fabric screen rather than a bulkhead as such. It appears to be strung across the opening to the fuselage behind the pilot's seat and does not cover the top rounded section, if you know what I mean. I do agree that it was probably put there to reduce wind drag. FWIW I would also speculate that if the aircraft in question was lozenge covered the fabric would likely have been lozenge, and if the a/c was not lozenge covered, it would probably be an unbleached linen colour. David ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 579 *********************