WWI Digest 565 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) RE: color systems by Ray Boorman 2) Re: Sierra WWI Book/Kit Clearance by "Rob " 3) Re: Decal Lists by "David Solosy" 4) Re: 12 Squadron Markings by bciciora@Megsinet.net (William Ciciora) 5) Re: Squadron WW1 Titles by Michelle and Rory Goodwin 6) Re: Silverbird by Tom Werner Hansen 7) Re: Decal Lists by mbittner@juno.com 8) Re: Decal Lists by Bill Bacon 9) Re: Camel Experts : re BR1 Camel by Sandy Adam 10) Re : Re: Decal Lists by Fportier@aol.com 11) D.VII In Action by Carlos Valdes 12) Nieuport question by mbittner@juno.com 13) Re: Decal Lists by mbittner@juno.com 14) Re: Decal Lists by Bill Bacon 15) Re: Decal Lists by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 16) German three-seater downed near Muizon, 28 May 1917 by "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" 17) Hard of Hearing by Bob Pearson 18) Re: D.VII In Action by DavidL1217@aol.com 19) Re: D.VII In Action by Michelle and Rory Goodwin 20) Re: HIT Kits by BStett3770@aol.com 21) Re: Decal Lists - Old ABT Decals by BStett3770@aol.com 22) Re: D.VII In Action by Carlos Valdes 23) Re: Camel Experts Wanted: Matt: re BR1 Camel: reply by BStett3770@aol.com 24) Fokker D.VII question by mbittner@juno.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 21:18:35 -0700 From: Ray Boorman To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: color systems Message-ID: <01BC6D3F.0E543C60@lynx-28.lynx.bc.ca> Delurking. Ah yes I've owned one or two of these. But you forgot the rest Must be British, Italian, etc., Require lots of TLC, or Money whichever your better at, oh and only run properly when all planets are in alignment and the moon is blue. However on those days nothing else compares. Ray Boorman (rboorman@lynx.bc.ca) ---------- From: Geoff Smith[SMTP:GeoffSmith@compuserve.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 1997 11:19 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: color systems Definition of sports car: MUST be British,French or Italian (in green, blue or red) , fast & must G= O ROUND CORNERS! (So don't go firing back with Mustangs, Camaros, Firebirds= & Corvettes). Cheers, Geoff. begin 600 WINMAIL.DAT M>)\^(BT$`0:0" `$```````!``$``0>0!@`(````Y 0```````#H``$-@ 0` M`@````(``@`!!) &`*0#```"````% ````,``# %````"P`/#@`````"`?\/ M`0```$D`````````@2L?I+ZC$!F=;@#=`0]4`@````!W=VE <&5A``,P`0```!8```!W=VE <&5A`!H``0```!0```!215!/4E0N25!-+DY/5$4N3D12`$ `,@``ZAU% MM6R\`0,`! 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Rob. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 20:33:06 +0800 From: "David Solosy" To: Subject: Re: Decal Lists Message-ID: 12372781600530@argo.net.au G'day Len Two for your decals list, if you haven't already had them: Propagteam #48101 (1/48 scale) Albatros D.V/D.Va Modelpoint #J-K/81 (it's unclear if this is actually their catalog number). Titled; German and Austrian Markings and Personal Insignia 1914-18 (1/72 scale) Has markings for 25 different aircraft! I haven't actually seen a list from either of these companies, however, I do know that Propagteam also do a Red Baron Albatros set in 1/72. has anyone forwarded you a Pegasus list yet? Cheers David S ---------- > From: Leonard Endy > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Decal Lists > Date: 27 May, 1997 6:06 AM > > Okay, I added both 1/72 and 1/48 scale lists of decals by Super Scale Int'l > and AeroMaster. What I would like to get a hold of are lists for Blue > Rider, Americal Gryphon, PD (Australian Co), MSAP and any other you may > know of. > > Also I'm not going to include prices as they vary depending on who you > purchase from. > > Take care... > > > > > Len Endy > lfendy@firstsaga.com > "Planes, Trains and...that's all that matters." ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 10:27:17 -0500 From: bciciora@Megsinet.net (William Ciciora) To: Subject: Re: 12 Squadron Markings Message-ID: <19970531152447459.AAA130@ns1.megsinet.net> Mike wrote: > The squadron marking until March, 1918, was comprised of a white strip > along the bottom edge of the fuselage between the cockade and rear fuselage. > This probably only confuses things more, but what the hell, we need a new > thread. No photos in the book would help. Actually, it doesn't. All of Pithey and Rhodes victories occurred after 7 May 1918. So this tells me the hollow circle as described by Sandy is probably the new squadron marking after March 1918. Too bad Thetford doesn't say it outright. If anyone ever spots a picture of RE8s B7715, E47, or F6097, I'd be forever grateful for a copy. Bill C. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 09:33:49 -0700 From: Michelle and Rory Goodwin To: wwi Subject: Re: Squadron WW1 Titles Message-ID: <339052ED.7462@ricochet.net> Sandy Adam wrote: > > > How about a complete listing of Squadron WWI titles to date? > > Michelle and Riordan Goodwin > > I've only got the Brisfit: it is curremtly remaindered at 3.99GBP but I > didn't like the "In Action"s I used to have on WW2 subjects. > > I have now been offered the following at 5GBP each > 1046 Albatros fighters > 1069 SE5a > 1093 SPAD fighters > 1098 Fokker Dr.1 > 1110 Sopwith fighters > 1123 BE2 > Are any, all or none of them worth it? > Sandy Sandy, Did you read my first post on this? Sopwith Fighters has fair general coverage including passable drawings and decent color art but has errors and inconsistencies. I like the picture of Arthur gould Lee's Pup on the back cover. IMHO, more useful to knowledgeable modelers than novices; not the best reference, but not bad for the price. -- Michelle and Riordan Goodwin Visit our websites: Michelle's Home/Resume Page: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/9171 Riordan's Wings of Revolution: http://www.serve.com/rgoodwin ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 18:57:54 -0700 From: Tom Werner Hansen To: wwi Subject: Re: Silverbird Message-ID: <3390D722.39AF@sn.no> mbittner@juno.com wrote: > > On Fri, 30 May 1997 14:14:42 -0400 Tom Werner Hansen > writes: > > > I ordered some stuff from him about a month. Very fast service. > > I sent out my VISA order in a letter and had the goods just a > > few days later. Excellent service. I could have faxed him the > > VISA thingummy but didn't have my signature scanned, so I > > couldn't do it since I can only fax from my computer, not from > > paper. I could be that mail from the Czech republic to Norway > > is faster than to the States. > > If you ordered any of the WW1 stuff, could you give a "review" of > it, please? > > Matt > mbittner@juno.com I could, if there was any interest. But I did't buy anything exciting. This was more a trial run to see how the service worked. I've never ordered anything mail order from former eastern bloc countries. So I just ordered the SMER 1/48: Airco DH.2 / Fokker Dr.1 / Nieuport 11/16. I do not have any reliable drawings to check parts for accuracy, so if there's any interest from the list for reviews, I would need somebody to send me accurate 1/48 drawings. On opening the boxes I have some immediate impressions, but I'll save those until somebody thinks it worth my while to write them down. Tom W. Hansen ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 13:44:46 -0500 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Decal Lists Message-ID: <19970531.134551.16430.4.mbittner@juno.com> I wanted to add these, although they have been out of production for a number of years: ABT No.16 1/72nd France: Nieuport 17 Guynemer's from N.3 Boyau's 2331 from N.77 Ambrogi's from N.90 Nungesser's (their spelling) 1895 from N.65 ABT No.44 1/72nd Italia 1915-1918 Baracca's 188 SPAD 13 (1917) Nieuport 17 5565 w/"Caution, son of a dog" (in Italian) on the sides SPAD 13 with red hearts on white discs on the side Question: has anybody used ABT decals? These are awful old, and I'm wondering if I should clear coat them before I use them. Matt mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 14:04:06 -0500 From: Bill Bacon To: wwi Subject: Re: Decal Lists Message-ID: <33907626.2AE3@netjava.net> mbittner@juno.com wrote: > > I wanted to add these, although they have been out of production for a > number of years: > > ABT No.16 1/72nd > France: Nieuport 17 > Guynemer's from N.3 > Boyau's 2331 from N.77 > Ambrogi's from N.90 > Nungesser's (their spelling) 1895 from N.65 > > ABT No.44 1/72nd > Italia 1915-1918 > Baracca's 188 SPAD 13 (1917) > Nieuport 17 5565 w/"Caution, son of a dog" (in Italian) on the sides > SPAD 13 with red hearts on white discs on the side > > Question: has anybody used ABT decals? These are awful old, and I'm > wondering if I should clear coat them before I use them. > > Matt > mbittner@juno.com Matt, I have the same ones. Used some years ago. I have a duplicte that was of poor register and will try them in the near future. E-mail me before you use yours and if I haven't put them to the test, I will amd let you know. Cheers, Bill B. Bill Baco wbacon@netjava.net ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 11:32:53 +0100 (BST) From: Sandy Adam To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Camel Experts : re BR1 Camel Message-ID: On Fri, 30 May 1997, Patrick Padovan wrote: > As for my original question: can I use the Roseparts Camel cowl > regardless of whether I do a Le Rhone, Clerget, or BR1 engined machine? Is > there a visible, detectable difference in cowls (in 1/72 scale) that I > should be aware of? BR1 installation looks more like Snipe upper forward fuselage - in front of guns. Difficult to describe but if you can see plans in Datafile (F.1 or 2F.1 can't remember which) you will see what I mean. Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 15:04:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Fportier@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re : Re: Decal Lists Message-ID: <970531150404_554588881@emout04.mail.aol.com> Yes, I'd definitely coat ABT decals before use! I even xerox'ed them on clear decal film.The colours are incorrect for French roundels but the Americals sheets are available of course. I guess this message does not only interest Matt so I'm braving the flak (sorry, archies) and adding this message to the list. My observer is ready to beat off any dastardly attack. Best wishes, Francois ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 16:07:27 -0400 From: Carlos Valdes To: wwi Subject: D.VII In Action Message-ID: <339084FF.75F5@conted.gatech.edu> I just got this new title and, though I haven't yet read it, thought I would share my intial impression. In two words: not good. The problems start with the front cover. The artwork depicts "Lothar von Richtofen . . . in his Yellow nosed Fokker D.VII." Of course, this machine was Heldmann's, not Lothar's, with the yellow representing the color of Jasta 10--none of this was mentioned in the caption. To make matters worse, the tail area is black, and this early Fokker-built example, complete with straky-green fuselage (of a questionable tone), is shown with late-pattern engine panels and exhaust! Oh yes, the top of the axle wing is lozenge. . . . On the rear cover one finds two machines, one being the D.VII (OAW) of Jasta 78b's Jungwirth. This one also has a lozenge covered, top and bottom, axle wing, and the caption explains that light blue tapes were attached to each wing rib--but these are shown applied to the top wing surfaces only . . . The centerspread color section contains a few oddities also. The blue and white trident-marked machine of Josef Raesch is (some would say finally) correctly asigned to that pilot; however, Raesch himself has been magically promoted to CO of Jasta 4! And the well-known Polizeiflieger machine is shown wth a dark green fuselage and red-and- yellow markings! The book itself has many photos and relatively lttle text, including a section on post-war use. Many of the photos are familiar ones, and some are a bit dark. It looks like no attempt has been made to catagorize the extensive variety of D.VII engine panels or of matching these to serial number blocks--something that eally needs to be done, in my opinion. Rimell and Imrie, please hurry and get your D.VII books out soon! I suppose those with an interest in German fighters will have to get this book, but even considering its source, I find it at first glance to be disappointing. One last item: the much-used photo of Goering in his white D.VII is captioned in part ". . . Goering was the so-called Rittmeister (Ring Master) of The Flying Circus . . ." --I guess we've been wrong all these years in thinking that Rittmeister was the German cavalry rank of Captain! Carlos ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 15:45:24 -0500 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Nieuport question Message-ID: <19970531.154525.13438.1.mbittner@juno.com> Yes, believe it or not, I need help from the masses on Nieuports. I'm looking for a Nie.17*bis* that used the cone de penetration. I know there were a few "straight" Nie.17's that used it - most of them French - but I've looked in the Datafile Special, the Datafile, the Vintage Warbirds and the FMP book, and can't find any Nie.17*bis* with the cone. Can anybody find one for me? Matt mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 15:43:15 -0500 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Decal Lists Message-ID: <19970531.154525.13438.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Sat, 31 May 1997 15:17:59 -0400 Fportier@aol.com writes: > Yes, I'd definitely coat ABT decals before use! I even xerox'ed > them on clear decal film.The colours are incorrect for French > roundels but the Americals sheets are available of course. I > guess this message does not only interest Matt so I'm braving > the flak (sorry, archies) and adding this message to the list. > My observer is ready to beat off any dastardly attack. Actually, Francois, it belongs on the list. There are a few (?) of us that have the ABT decals and really want to know. Good idea about photocopying onto clear decal film. Unfortunately we have a lot of paranoid people here in the States that don't want to do it for fear of jamming copiers. The thing is, they have no real clue, and only base their fear on conjecture. Ah well, maybe color copiers will start coming down in price so you and I can own our own. ;-) Matt mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 16:16:00 -0500 From: Bill Bacon To: wwi Subject: Re: Decal Lists Message-ID: <33909510.72B2@netjava.net> Some more to add to the decal list: As Matt says, ABT long out of print 1/72 ABT No. 45 SPAD XIII's 103rd Aero Squadron Capt Soubrain 22nd Aero Squadron Ray Broos (Mayer III) 27th Aero Squadron Lt. Frank Luke ABT No. 18 SPAD XIII France Sous Lieutenant C. M. Haelen SPA 100 Capt. M. de Sevin SPA 26 Capt. A. Deullin SPA 73 Capt. R. E. Fonck SPA 103 Lieut. M. Coiffard SPA 104 ABT No. 11 Fokker D.VII JG 11 Oblt. R. Berthold Lt. von Hantelmann ABT No. 132 Albatros D.III G. Brumowsky ABT No. 12 German Camouflage 4 color upper lozenge ABT No. 13 German Camouflage 4 color lower lozenge ALMARK 1/72 A-32 German 4 color lower lozenge A-31 German 4 color upper lozenge A-11 German WWI Various Crosses 1914-1918 A-30 German Crosses Balkan Kerruz 1918 XTRADECALS 1/72 X72-001 WWI German 5 color upper lozenge X72-002 WWI German 5 co;or lower lozenge FINISHING TOUCH 1/48 & 1/72 (1/48 close to 1/72) P3001 US Army/Navy pre WWII and WWI Insignia and various markings P4002 German WWI Insignia and various markings Cheers, Bill B. Bill Bacon wbacon@netjava.net ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 15:53:24 -0700 From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: Decal Lists Message-ID: <199705312253.AA00805@ednet1.orednet.org> In our last episode, Matt was writing: >I wanted to add these, although they have been out of production for a >number of years: > >ABT No.16 1/72nd >France: Nieuport 17 >Guynemer's from N.3 >Boyau's 2331 from N.77 >Ambrogi's from N.90 >Nungesser's (their spelling) 1895 from N.65 > >ABT No.44 1/72nd >Italia 1915-1918 >Baracca's 188 SPAD 13 (1917) >Nieuport 17 5565 w/"Caution, son of a dog" (in Italian) on the sides >SPAD 13 with red hearts on white discs on the side > >Question: has anybody used ABT decals? These are awful old, and I'm >wondering if I should clear coat them before I use them. I used the Abrogi decal on a Revell Nieuport about 10 years back - it went on with no problems at all. 'Course they are 10 years older now than they were back then, but even then they were pretty old. I've got the remainder of that sheet and it still looks pretty good. To complete the listing of ABT World War One type decals: ABT #1 - French Armee L'Air 41 different roundels sized for SPADs, Nieuports, and MS "N"'s No. 18 - SPAD XIII's Haeglen, SPA 100 de Sevin, SPA 26 Deullin, SPA 73 Fonck, SPA 103 Coiffard, SPA 154 No. 45 - AEF SPAD XIII's Soubiran, 103 Aero Luke, 27th Aero "Mayer III", 22nd Aero No. 132 - Albatros D.III Goodwin Brumowski, various aircraft. Cheers, -- - Bill Shatzer bshatzer@orednet.org - "This is the West, sir. When the legend becomes fact, print the legend." ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 19:57:11 -0700 From: "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" To: wwi Subject: German three-seater downed near Muizon, 28 May 1917 Message-ID: <3390E507.7363@host.dmsc.net> ********************************************** from the diary of American volunteer ambulancier, stationed near the front lines near Muizon, 28 May 1917: "We saw a thrilling plane fight over our heads to-day. Two Frenchmen brought down a German. The latter's gas tank exploded, and then they fairly riddled him with their mitrailleuses. He wormed down slowly, and finally fell in the field near Muizon. It proved to be a three-man plane. One was dead, the other two only slightly wounded. The motor was a six-cylinder Bruz, with four valves to each cylinder -- a beautiful machine. It carried two mitrailleuses. The "Germs" were made prisoners and were rather roughly handled before an officer came up and took charge of them. The machine was nearly stripped bare by souvenir hunters." from William Yorke Stevenson's FROM POILU TO YANK, 1918 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Bradley Omanson, Editor SCUTTLEBUTT & SMALL CHOW, An Irregular Quarterly of the Old Corps, 1898-1941 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 17:27:10 -0700 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list Subject: Hard of Hearing Message-ID: <00271096400251@KAIEN.COM> Sorry to intrude here with some 'outside' information, but I seem to be having a problem with my mail server. I can send, but I am unable to receive any email for some reason that escapes me (and my local wizard) so I would like any of you that have tried to contact me in the last day or so to use the old-fashioned way of snail mail (or telephone, I am usually up most of the night) until this is straightened out. Hopefully it will be fixed soon (or time for a new server). Thanks Bob Bob Pearson 1332 Summit Ave PHONE (250)627-7140 Prince Rupert, BC EMAIL bpearson@kaien.com (I hope) V8J 3W7 Canada ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 20:46:54 -0400 (EDT) From: DavidL1217@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: D.VII In Action Message-ID: <970531204653_-1597748600@emout12.mail.aol.com> I am sorry about the DVII book but not surprised. Squadron slaps these things together because there is a perceived need but does not bother to use an author who cares about the subject or even has any knowledge. Obviously, they are more interested in Bf 109 type thingies. I avoid the squadron series as a rule. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 18:10:37 -0700 From: Michelle and Rory Goodwin To: wwi Subject: Re: D.VII In Action Message-ID: <3390CC0D.3B3F@ricochet.net> Carlos Valdes wrote: > > I just got this new title and, though I haven't yet read it, thought I > would share my intial impression. In two words: not good. > The problems start with the front cover. The artwork depicts "Lothar > von Richtofen . . . in his Yellow nosed Fokker D.VII." Of course, this > machine was Heldmann's, not Lothar's, with the yellow representing the > color of Jasta 10--none of this was mentioned in the caption. To make > matters worse, the tail area is black, and this early Fokker-built > example, complete with straky-green fuselage (of a questionable tone), > is shown with late-pattern engine panels and exhaust! Oh yes, the top of > the axle wing is lozenge. . . . > On the rear cover one finds two machines, one being the D.VII (OAW) of > Jasta 78b's Jungwirth. This one also has a lozenge covered, top and > bottom, axle wing, and the caption explains that light blue tapes were > attached to each wing rib--but these are shown applied to the top wing > surfaces only . . . > The centerspread color section contains a few oddities also. The blue > and white trident-marked machine of Josef Raesch is (some would say > finally) correctly asigned to that pilot; however, Raesch himself has > been magically promoted to CO of Jasta 4! And the well-known > Polizeiflieger machine is shown wth a dark green fuselage and red-and- > yellow markings! > The book itself has many photos and relatively lttle text, including a > section on post-war use. Many of the photos are familiar ones, and some > are a bit dark. It looks like no attempt has been made to catagorize the > extensive variety of D.VII engine panels > or of matching these to serial number blocks--something that eally needs > to be done, in my opinion. Rimell and Imrie, please hurry and get your > D.VII books out soon! > I suppose those with an interest in German fighters will have to get > this book, but even considering its source, I find it at first glance to > be disappointing. One last item: the much-used photo of Goering in his > white D.VII is captioned in part ". . . Goering was the so-called > Rittmeister (Ring Master) of The Flying Circus . . ." --I guess we've > been wrong all these years in thinking that Rittmeister was the German > cavalry rank of Captain! > Carlos Carlos, Thanks for the evaluation. Not all of us are knowledgeable enough to spot all the errors... As the price of these creeps up closer to that of regular Datafiles, they become less appealing. Was this book(let) $7.99+tax? -- Michelle and Riordan Goodwin Visit our websites: Michelle's Home/Resume Page: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/9171 Riordan's Wings of Revolution: http://www.serve.com/rgoodwin ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 21:41:21 -0400 (EDT) From: BStett3770@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: HIT Kits Message-ID: <970531214120_-1732385483@emout13.mail.aol.com> Hi Hit kit stocked by Rosemont Hobby Sopwith Hobby Squadron Barry Rosemont Hobby See I didn't just list me ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 21:46:04 -0400 (EDT) From: BStett3770@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Decal Lists - Old ABT Decals Message-ID: <970531214604_1956502328@emout17.mail.aol.com> Matt Put a coat of Micro-Scale ( Or Superscale) Super Film over them. It Saves almost any old decals The Super film is great and still softens with decals solvents Barry Rosemont Hobby ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 21:55:42 -0400 From: Carlos Valdes To: wwi Subject: Re: D.VII In Action Message-ID: <3390D69E.425B@conted.gatech.edu> Riordan, The MSRP of the In Action series is $7.95. BTW, I finished the book and can now say that the text, what relatively little of it there was (the war record of the aircraft is not really dealt with other than via a list of Jastas that flew the D.VII), contains a good number of, shall we say, errors. For example (in no paticular order): 1. Boelcke died in a Halberstadt, not an Albatros. 2. Richtofen was already an ace at the time of Immelmann's death. 3. The Fe2a and b were intoduced to the front in April 1917. 4. Loerzer was a member of JGI. 5. And to top all these off, the Fokker D.VI was a monoplane! I really hope that Rimell's D.VII Special comes out soon . . . Carlos ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 22:15:14 -0400 (EDT) From: BStett3770@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Camel Experts Wanted: Matt: re BR1 Camel: reply Message-ID: <970531221513_-764194353@emout13.mail.aol.com> Hi Bently Cowling different then Clerget & Lerhone cowling. Best drawings I can find are in the Air Britain Camel file Book. If you need copys let me know. (the drawings not the book) Barry Rosemont Hobby ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 21:37:17 -0500 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Fokker D.VII question Message-ID: <19970531.213717.14078.0.mbittner@juno.com> Does anybody have Dan San Abbott's latest catalog? If so, could you give me (if he's actually drawn it) his catalog number for Jacobs' Fokker D.VII? TIA! Matt mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 565 *********************