WWI Digest 564 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Mike Muth's penance-- previously MVR aircraft,previously Camel/Spad XIII by Kevin Wenker 2) Re: The noise ratio by drinker@fast.net ( Don Rinker) 3) Hora/Silverbird by barrett@iplink.net (barrett) 4) Re: Camel Experts Wanted: by "Philip Shacklock" 5) Re: The noise ratio by jsthorn@mindspring.com (Jesse Thorn) 6) Re: 12 Squadron Markings by Sandy Adam 7) Re: Camel Experts Wanted: Matt: by Tom Werner Hansen 8) Squadron's Sopwith Fighters by Michelle and Rory Goodwin 9) by "Tomas E. Tirado K" 10) HIT kits by "Kindrachuk, Mark" 11) Re: Squadron's Sopwith Fighters by Bob Pearson 12) Re: Camel Experts Wanted: Matt: re BR1 Camel: reply by Patrick Padovan 13) Re: Squadron's Sopwith Fighters by Bob Pearson 14) Re: HIT kits by Carlos Valdes 15) Re: Camel Experts Wanted: BR1 Camel by "Philip Shacklock" 16) Re: Hora/Silverbird by Tom Werner Hansen 17) Re : Re: VLE Models enquiry by Fportier@aol.com 18) Painting photo-etched parts by Tom Werner Hansen 19) Re: Painting photo-etched parts by Alberto Rada 20) Re: Squadron's Sopwith Fighters by "Brad Gossen" 21) Re: Squadron WW1 Titles by Sandy Adam 22) Re: Squadron WW1 Titles by Charles Hart 23) Sierra WWI Book/Kit Clearance by smodels@ne.infi.net 24) Re: HIT Kits by THENRYS@aol.com 25) Re: Sierra WWI Book/Kit Clearance by Alberto Rada 26) Re: Sierra WWI Book/Kit Clearance by Alberto Rada 27) Re: Buttons by bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 28) Re: 12 Squadron Markings by bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 29) Re: Hora/Silverbird by mbittner@juno.com 30) Re: Camel Experts Wanted: Matt: re BR1 Camel: reply by mbittner@juno.com 31) Testing, testing, 1, 2, 3. by "Brad Gossen" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 22:50:49 -0500 From: Kevin Wenker To: wwi Subject: Re: Mike Muth's penance-- previously MVR aircraft,previously Camel/Spad XIII Message-ID: <338E4E99.6BF3@interaccess.com> Mary-Ann/Michael wrote: > > At 07:01 PM 5/27/97 -0400, Paul Howard wrote: > >First you have to get him to swallow the barbed end of a long piece of > >stretched sprue.............. > OK, Fine! now how do I get the damned thing out? > Mike Gravity. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 07:13:45 -0400 (EDT) From: drinker@fast.net ( Don Rinker) To: wwi Subject: Re: The noise ratio Message-ID: <199705301113.HAA09648@post1.fast.net> On Thu, 29 May 1997, Shane Weier wrote: >Put simply, there are too many messages coming in to the mail box at >work, and far too many of them should out of politeness NOT be on the >list at all. > >I'm not complaining about the occasional diversion, but there seem to be >a HUGE number of "I sent it", "thank you it arrived", "here's my >address" and similar messages from one member to another > I'll gladly second this opinion.There is far too much of that type of traffic appearing in the last month or so. Here's a suggestion: THINK about what you're posting! Is this something better served by PRIVATE EMAIL? If your soliciting for something ( photos, articles,kits, etc) ADD your EMAIL ADDRESS to the end of the message! Same goes for responding to a request, BUT do it by private mail and add YOUR return address as a courtesy. I.E. "reply to drinker@fast.net Don Rinker" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 07:50:02 -0500 From: barrett@iplink.net (barrett) To: wwi Subject: Hora/Silverbird Message-ID: To the list: Has anyone had a look at a Hora Polyurethane kit? They're listed on the Silverbird web site, and the prices seem pretty reasonable for some cool subjects. Has anyone had success ordering from Silverbird yet? Thanks Kevin B. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 08:01:08 -0700 From: "Philip Shacklock" To: wwi Subject: Re: Camel Experts Wanted: Message-ID: <9705300801.ZM3920@ome134.ab.umd.edu> Hi, I found some detailed plan drawings of the various different Camel types in C&C vol 7 #1. It includes detailed views of the different engine instalations. From what I can tell (from a very superficial glance over the drawings this AM) the Bentley engined camel has a slightly larger diameter cowling which protrudes a little further below the line of the fuselage. I would be happy to provide copies of the drawings in exachange for a snail mail address if you would like. Phil -- ===================================================== Philip Shacklock Ph.D. Instructional Technology Group Office of Medical Education University of Maryland at Baltimore Voice: (410) 706-6613 Email: phil@ome134.ab.umd.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 09:36:36 -0400 From: jsthorn@mindspring.com (Jesse Thorn) To: wwi Subject: Re: The noise ratio Message-ID: >Here's a suggestion: THINK about what you're posting! Is this >something better served by PRIVATE EMAIL? Sometimes I simply click the Reply button and email is sent to the list instead of an individual email account. Momentary lapse of attention. Think before you Click I guess. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 15:15:35 +0100 (BST) From: Sandy Adam To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: 12 Squadron Markings Message-ID: > Thanks to Bob and Sandy for the research on 12 Squadron. Sounds as if Sandy > has the article that Bob indexed; pity the photo shows so little of the > squadron marking. I know 23 Squadron used a solid white circle about the > diameter of the white roundel circle. Was the 12 Squadron circle solid or > hollow? > Did I really sign on to the list as "William"? Sheesh! Dear William Sheesh 12 Sqdrn picture shows rear three-quarters view of RE8 with Lt Main and Lt Morris sitting in cockpits. The pic cuts off about six inches behind fuselage roundel and just visible is a white ring of about 2 or 3 inches thickness. The edge of this is about 2 or 3 inches aft of the roundel outer ring and looks to be of about the same diameter as the inner white portion of the cockade - maybe just a whisker larger. Only a small sector is visible, so it is impossible from this to tell if it is a circle, figure-of-eight or other. Another likely possibility is a "C" as the caption identifies the machine as belonging to C flight. That's about all I can tell, apart from usual "Do not fly with less than.. " instruction on two lines under rear cockpit. HTH Those kindred spirits who champion the underdog may relish part of the story as follows: "Again (on 21/8/18 on Contact patrol), over the lines, they were attacked, this time by four Fokker D.VIIs. Each of the Fokker pilots dived to make an attack but one was hit by a burst from Rhodes' rear Lewis guns and spun down out of control. The last Fokker's fire found its target however, and one bullet pierced the RE's fuel tank and petrol streamed back into their faces. Recrossing the lines the Fokkers broke away but the two men were in imminent danger of fire. Rhodes left his cockpit and climbed out onto the lower plane and managed to plug the hole in the tank with one of his gloves and in this way flew back. By the time they arrived over the airfield front-line observers had seen that someone was on the wing and had reported the fact. When the two men landed they were met by their CO who demanded to know what the hell they were trying to do, were they doing aerobatics out on the wing? Hervey Rhodes seemed to remember that General Longcroft was with the CO, which may have accounted for this outburst, but when it was realised what had happened, the CO calmed down and praised their efforts." Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 22:02:48 -0700 From: Tom Werner Hansen To: wwi Subject: Re: Camel Experts Wanted: Matt: Message-ID: <338E5F78.2563@sn.no> Paul Schwartzkopf wrote: > > Patrick, > > AMS is Advanced Modelers' Syndrome. This is a deadly disease that > prevents modelers from opening up a model box and building the item > inside as-is, with no parts, decals, etc. from an outside source. In > other words, you will do about anything to prevent yourself from > building the kit straight out of the box. > > It is unknown if it is fatal, but it has been known to cause severe > problems between a modeler and his/her spouse/family. Most of us are > prone to this disease sooner or later. > > ROTFL > > Paul > And this group is spreading the virus to any modeller who does not get unsubscribed in time. That's probably the reason for some of the uncontrolled screams and rude noises from people who are trying frantically to get off the list. They see what is coming. And I'm not ROTFLing at all. Tom ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 09:08:10 -0700 From: Michelle and Rory Goodwin To: wwi Subject: Squadron's Sopwith Fighters Message-ID: <338EFB6A.2BEA@ricochet.net> Arthur "No Parachute" Lee's Pup is on the back cover, while the rotaries of all the remaining planes in the cover art have apparently seized up while the props mysteriously continue spinning... Other than that, an affordable, fair reference as long as one can pick out the errors. Any comments on accuracy of drawings? How about a complete listing of Squadron WWI titles to date? -- Michelle and Riordan Goodwin Visit our websites: Michelle's Home/Resume Page: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/9171 Riordan's Wings of Revolution: http://www.serve.com/rgoodwin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 13:34:57 -0300 From: "Tomas E. Tirado K" To: wwi Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970530163457.00680680@adinet.com.uy> subscribe ------------------------------ Date: 30 May 1997 12:19:03 -0700 From: "Kindrachuk, Mark" To: "'wwi (post)'" Subject: HIT kits Message-ID: <"0020FB99.MAI*/PN=MARK.KINDRACHUK/PRMD=GC+JUSTICE/ADMD=GOVMT.CANADA/C=CA/"@MHS> Could someone tell me where one can get these? Thanks! Mark Kindrachuk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 10:52:48 -0700 From: Bob Pearson To: WW1 Mailing list , Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Squadron's Sopwith Fighters Message-ID: <17524839614919@KAIEN.COM> ---------- > From: Michelle and Rory Goodwin > Any comments on accuracy of drawings? I prefer the GAs in the Datafiles and FMP books for doing my profiles. > How about a complete listing of Squadron WWI titles to date? Albatros Fighters BE2 Bristol Fighter Fokker Dr.I Fokker Eindecker deHavilland DH9 SE5a Sopwith Fighters ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 10:57:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Patrick Padovan To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Camel Experts Wanted: Matt: re BR1 Camel: reply Message-ID: Matt: I have found the answer, and the answer is: I am blind. More specifically: I went home and checked the Imrie book, and on page 36 there is a photo of "A 150hp B.R.1 rotary engined a/c. . ." of 210 sqn. This is the only place where a Camel engine type is specifically denoted. And, it is a former RNAS squadron, so I thought, "Hmmmm. . ." I then checked the Camel Datafile again, and lo, there was the answer: On pages 10 and 11 are photos of Camels from Naval 9, and the caption on page 10 says: "Only Naval Squadron Camels were fitted w/ the 150 hp BR1 engine, at least part of the time. . ." So I conclude from this that the BR1 was fitted to F.1 Camels, but only to some of those serving with RNAS (and post April 1918, former RNAS) squadrons. It may only have appeared on the F.1 as a retrofit done at Air Parks or at squadron level, I don't know. I also conclude I should check the datafile captions more carefully in future! Someone else may have already discovered this, so forgive me if I'm repeating something that's already been said, as I haven't gone through the entire list yet this morning. As for my original question: can I use the Roseparts Camel cowl regardless of whether I do a Le Rhone, Clerget, or BR1 engined machine? Is there a visible, detectable difference in cowls (in 1/72 scale) that I should be aware of? Regards, Patrick ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Patrick Padovan Interlibrary Loan Associate Timberland Regional Library Voice: 360-943-5001 415 Airdustrial Way SW FAX: 360-586-6838 Olympia, WA 98501-5799 e-mail: ppadovan@timberland.lib.wa.us ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 10:59:57 -0700 From: Bob Pearson To: Subject: Re: Squadron's Sopwith Fighters Message-ID: <17595797414956@KAIEN.COM> ---------- > From: Bob Pearson > To: WW1 Mailing list , Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Squadron's Sopwith Fighters > > > > How about a complete listing of Squadron WWI titles to date? > Albatros Fighters > BE2 > Bristol Fighter > Fokker Dr.I > Fokker Eindecker > deHavilland DH9 > SE5a > Sopwith Fighters Oops, I forgot the SPAD book Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 13:55:45 -0400 From: Carlos Valdes To: wwi Subject: Re: HIT kits Message-ID: <2.2.16.19970530125253.3ea73b8e@conted.swann.gatech.edu> Mark, Try Sopwith Hobbies. Unfortunately, I don't have their # or e-mail handy but can post them later if you'd like. Carlos ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 14:06:19 EST From: "Philip Shacklock" To: WWI Subject: Re: Camel Experts Wanted: BR1 Camel Message-ID: <14CF267950@clc.ab.umd.edu> Matt, Patrick, I don't know if this helps but: In vol 7, #1 of Croos and Cockade there is an article entitled "the Sopwith Camel" in which it states: "The engine installed in this case (F6223) was the Bentley BR1 which had been added to the list of available alternates early in 1917. To accomodate the slightly larger clearance of the Bentley, the cowls were made with a decided bulge midway of the chord, a feature which serves as a recognition feature of the Bentley Camel." The article also contains many plan drawings of a number of the different Camels with engine installations, please let me know if copies would be helpful. Phil ================================ Phil Shacklock OME Instuctional Technology Group Voice: (410) 706-6613 FAX: (410) 706-7607 Email: pshacklo@clc.ab.umd.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 18:13:41 -0700 From: Tom Werner Hansen To: wwi Subject: Re: Hora/Silverbird Message-ID: <338F7B45.CEB@sn.no> Has anyone had success ordering from Silverbird yet? > > Thanks > > Kevin B. I ordered some stuff from him about a month. Very fast service. I sent out my VISA order in a letter and had the goods just a few days later. Excellent service. I could have faxed him the VISA thingummy but didn't have my signature scanned, so I couldn't do it since I can only fax from my computer, not from paper. I could be that mail from the Czech republic to Norway is faster than to the States. Tom ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 15:37:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Fportier@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re : Re: VLE Models enquiry Message-ID: <970530153657_-363477465@emout04.mail.aol.com> thanks very much. Will ask a penfriend to order it for me. Francois ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 22:19:54 -0700 From: Tom Werner Hansen To: wwi Subject: Painting photo-etched parts Message-ID: <338FB4FA.4ADB@sn.no> To whoever feels like answering: I'm in the process of doing my first kit with photoetched parts (Edouard Pfalz DIII). Is there anything I should be aware of in dealing with these parts. Prepainting ? Annealing? Cutting? Bending? I'd hate to make avoidable mistakes. TIA. Tom W.H. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 18:25:11 -0400 From: Alberto Rada To: wwi Subject: Re: Painting photo-etched parts Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970530182511.00b92954@pop.true.net> Hi Tom Cutting: I strongly recommend using a pair of cutters made by Xuron, they have several types, one of them is perfect for Photoetch, you can find them in Micro-Mark and most other mail orders Pre-painting: I always wash them in thinner, to clean the substances that remain on them from production. I always use protective glasses and clean the desk before cutting them, as they have a natural tendency to jump into no where ( you usually find them 3 models later) stick them to a piece of scotch tape I always use very very little cyanocrilate 1 peseta SALUDOS ALBERTO At 04:23 PM 30-05-97 -0400, you wrote: >To whoever feels like answering: > >I'm in the process of doing my first kit with photoetched parts (Edouard >Pfalz DIII). Is there anything I should be aware of in dealing with >these parts. Prepainting ? Annealing? Cutting? Bending? >I'd hate to make avoidable mistakes. >TIA. > >Tom W.H. > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 19:10:12 -0400 From: "Brad Gossen" To: Subject: Re: Squadron's Sopwith Fighters Message-ID: <199705302314.TAA23929@enigma.globalserve.net> And as of this week Fokker DVII ---------- > From: Bob Pearson > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Squadron's Sopwith Fighters > Date: Friday, May 30, 1997 1:50 PM > > > > > ---------- > > From: Michelle and Rory Goodwin > > > Any comments on accuracy of drawings? > I prefer the GAs in the Datafiles and FMP books for doing my profiles. > > > How about a complete listing of Squadron WWI titles to date? > Albatros Fighters > BE2 > Bristol Fighter > Fokker Dr.I > Fokker Eindecker > deHavilland DH9 > SE5a > Sopwith Fighters > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 17:54:04 +0100 (BST) From: Sandy Adam To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Squadron WW1 Titles Message-ID: > How about a complete listing of Squadron WWI titles to date? > Michelle and Riordan Goodwin I've only got the Brisfit: it is curremtly remaindered at 3.99GBP but I didn't like the "In Action"s I used to have on WW2 subjects. I have now been offered the following at 5GBP each 1046 Albatros fighters 1069 SE5a 1093 SPAD fighters 1098 Fokker Dr.1 1110 Sopwith fighters 1123 BE2 Are any, all or none of them worth it? Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 17:48:13 -0700 From: Charles Hart To: wwi Subject: Re: Squadron WW1 Titles Message-ID: >> How about a complete listing of Squadron WWI titles to date? >> Michelle and Riordan Goodwin > >I've only got the Brisfit: it is curremtly remaindered at 3.99GBP but I >didn't like the "In Action"s I used to have on WW2 subjects. > >I have now been offered the following at 5GBP each >1046 Albatros fighters >1069 SE5a >1093 SPAD fighters >1098 Fokker Dr.1 >1110 Sopwith fighters >1123 BE2 >Are any, all or none of them worth it? >Sandy In my opinion, they are all worth this price. The Dr-I book has a lot of errors in the text however which have been reviewed in a couple of places. These are good sources for some familiar photos if you don't have another source for them in your home library. Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 20:00:24 -0400 From: smodels@ne.infi.net To: wwi Subject: Sierra WWI Book/Kit Clearance Message-ID: <338F6A18.61E6@ne.infi.net> To all those who had responded to my book and kit sale and have books set aside for them, please note that unless I hear from you before Sunday, your reserved items will be thrown back into the pile for the next listing. Please let me know if you still want the items, otherwise they will go to the next person who wants them. As I said before I want to clear out all my WWI books and kits and not hold them indefinately... Bob Sierra ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 20:23:26 -0400 (EDT) From: THENRYS@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: HIT Kits Message-ID: <970530202323_-1999558368@emout10.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 97-05-29 02:30:33 EDT, you write: << Fellow list members, While at Squadron Scalefest, I went off the deep end and bought five of the HIT Kits available. All are in munchkin scale. Follows a quick impression of each. >> Bill : Who carries or distributes these kits ? I had real good luck with a HitKit Vacuform 1/48 Mig-3. (I know, it's not WWI, but at least it's not one of those ME- whatevers) Todd Henry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 20:23:29 -0400 From: Alberto Rada To: wwi Subject: Re: Sierra WWI Book/Kit Clearance Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970530202329.006b1b50@pop.true.net> Hi Bob I sent you a check for $ 2OO and something ... that should be reaching you any moment now, if it is not there yet. Please let me know when it arrives and if every thing is OK SALUDOS ALBERTO At 08:07 PM 30-05-97 -0400, you wrote: >To all those who had responded to my book and kit sale and have books >set aside for them, please note that unless I hear from you before >Sunday, your reserved items will be thrown back into the pile for the >next listing. Please let me know if you still want the items, otherwise >they will go to the next person who wants them. > >As I said before I want to clear out all my WWI books and kits and not >hold them indefinately... > >Bob >Sierra > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 20:28:08 -0400 From: Alberto Rada To: wwi Subject: Re: Sierra WWI Book/Kit Clearance Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970530202808.006a9c64@pop.true.net> Sorry guys for the last message, should have gone private I'll write 100 lines Should think before shooting , Should think before shooting ..... SALUDOS ALBERTO At 08:07 PM 30-05-97 -0400, you wrote: >To all those who had responded to my book and kit sale and have books >set aside for them, please note that unless I hear from you before >Sunday, your reserved items will be thrown back into the pile for the >next listing. Please let me know if you still want the items, otherwise >they will go to the next person who wants them. > >As I said before I want to clear out all my WWI books and kits and not >hold them indefinately... > >Bob >Sierra > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 20:46:41 -0400 From: bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Buttons Message-ID: <199705310046.UAA13322@pease1.sr.unh.edu> At 09:22 PM 5/29/97 -0400, mbittner@juno.com wrote: >On Thu, 29 May 1997 13:32:16 -0400 "Paul Schwartzkopf" > writes: > >>I received my buttons from John in the mail today. Those of you >>still waiting will not be disappointed. They are very well done to >>say the least. John, please let us know the price on them. As >>stated in Blazing Saddles, we really need to extend to you a "laurel >>and hearty handshake"! > >Yes, these are quite wonderful buttons! Thanks a lot John! We now have >an easy way to identify each other at shows, and whatnot. Got mine in the mail today. They look great. Have you let us know yet what we owe you? Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 21:04:22 -0400 From: bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: 12 Squadron Markings Message-ID: <199705310104.VAA13442@pease1.sr.unh.edu> At 09:53 PM 5/29/97 -0400, William Ciciora wrote: >Thanks to Bob and Sandy for the research on 12 Squadron. Sounds as if Sandy >has the article that Bob indexed; pity the photo shows so little of the >squadron marking. I know 23 Squadron used a solid white circle about the >diameter of the white roundel circle. Was the 12 Squadron circle solid or >hollow? Bill I realize this source has been somewhat debunked of late, but O.G. Thetford's book, Camouflage '14-'18 Aircraft, says the following re: 12 Squadron's RE8s: Received RE8's in place of BE's in August, 1917 and was attached to the Sixth Corps. The squadronnwas engaged in the Battles of Cambrai and Messines and the 3rd battle of Ypres. The squadron marking until March, 1918, was comprised of a white strip along the bottom edge of the fuselage between the cockade and rear fuselage. This probably only confuses things more, but what the hell, we need a new thread. No photos in the book would help. Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 20:45:45 -0500 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Hora/Silverbird Message-ID: <19970530.205713.13366.3.mbittner@juno.com> On Fri, 30 May 1997 14:14:42 -0400 Tom Werner Hansen writes: > I ordered some stuff from him about a month. Very fast service. > I sent out my VISA order in a letter and had the goods just a > few days later. Excellent service. I could have faxed him the > VISA thingummy but didn't have my signature scanned, so I > couldn't do it since I can only fax from my computer, not from > paper. I could be that mail from the Czech republic to Norway > is faster than to the States. If you ordered any of the WW1 stuff, could you give a "review" of it, please? Matt mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 20:43:19 -0500 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Camel Experts Wanted: Matt: re BR1 Camel: reply Message-ID: <19970530.205713.13366.1.mbittner@juno.com> On Fri, 30 May 1997 13:57:16 -0400 Patrick Padovan writes: > Matt: I have found the answer, and the answer is: I am blind. > More specifically: I went home and checked the Imrie book, and > on page 36 there is a photo of "A 150hp B.R.1 rotary engined > a/c. . ." of 210 sqn. This is the only place where a Camel > engine type is specifically denoted. And, it is a former RNAS > squadron, so I thought, "Hmmmm. . ." > I then checked the Camel Datafile again, and lo, there was the > answer: On pages 10 and 11 are photos of Camels from Naval 9, > and the caption on page 10 says: "Only Naval Squadron Camels > were fitted w/ the 150 hp BR1 engine, at least part of the time. > . ." > So I conclude from this that the BR1 was fitted to F.1 Camels, > but only to some of those serving with RNAS (and post April > 1918, former RNAS) squadrons. It may only have appeared on the > F.1 as a retrofit done at Air Parks or at squadron level, I > don't know. I also conclude I should check the datafile captions > more carefully in future! > Someone else may have already discovered this, so forgive me if > I'm repeating something that's already been said, as I haven't > gone through the entire list yet this morning. > As for my original question: can I use the Roseparts Camel cowl > regardless of whether I do a Le Rhone, Clerget, or BR1 engined > machine? Is there a visible, detectable difference in cowls (in > 1/72 scale) that I should be aware of? Wow. Too cool. I wonder if there are any more references? I might have to check the Vintage Warbirds book. Anyway, Roseparts has two Camel cowls; one for the LeRhone, and one for the Clerget. As far as the BR1 goes, you might have to make your own out of the kit cowl. I would guess that because Roseparts made two cowls (it's not like them to throw money away ;-)) that there is a difference. Doesn't the Datafile's scale drawings show it? Matt mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 22:29:40 -0400 From: "Brad Gossen" To: Subject: Testing, testing, 1, 2, 3. Message-ID: <199705310233.WAA29681@enigma.globalserve.net> My apologies to the list! Especially in light of the recent thread regarding personal conversations. However my server tells me that Bob Pearson's server is U/S and all attempts to e-mail him direct are failing. Can you contact your server? Mine assures me the problem is somewhere in the rockies. I hope Prince Rupert hasn't fallen in! Again my apologies. Just to make this message valid I would like to add that the Squadron Signal Publication on the Fokker DVII is due out next week. (If you wish to berate me without impinging on the list I'm at BigglesRFC@globalserve.com) Brad Gossen ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 564 *********************