WWI Digest 562 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) John Huggins by "Valenciano . Jose" 2) Re: Hannover colors, help again! by mbittner@juno.com 3) Formaplane Trade by barrett@iplink.net (barrett) 4) Re: MVR aircraft,previously Camel/Spad XIII by "Brian Bushe" 5) Re: MVR aircraft,previously Camel/Spad XIII by Sandy Adam 6) Re: Hannover colors, help again! by "Joseph Gentile" 7) Re: color systems by Sandy Adam 8) Re: HIT Kits by jsthorn@mindspring.com (Jesse Thorn) 9) Hippo update by "Joseph Gentile" 10) AMT 1/48 DH4 by "Paul Schwartzkopf" 11) Re: Hippo update by jsthorn@mindspring.com (Jesse Thorn) 12) Re: MVR aircraft,previously Camel/Spad XIII by Jack Berlien 13) Re: HIT Kits by Michelle and Rory Goodwin 14) Re: Hippo update by Carlos Valdes 15) Re: AMT 1/48 DH4 by Michelle and Rory Goodwin 16) Re: Hippo update by "Joseph Gentile" 17) Re: Hippo update by Carlos Valdes 18) Re: Hippo update by Alberto Rada 19) Re: Hippo update by "Joseph Gentile" 20) Re: 12 Squadron Markings by Sandy Adam 21) Buttons by "Paul Schwartzkopf" 22) Re: Hippo update by Carlos Valdes 23) Re: Hippo update by Alberto Rada 24) Re: Camel Experts Wanted: Matt: by Patrick Padovan 25) VLE Models enquiry by Fportier@aol.com 26) Re: Camel Experts Wanted: Matt: by "Paul Schwartzkopf" 27) Bill Shatzer's reprehensible and unprovoked attack on Brits (was color systems) by Geoff Smith ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 16:40:45 +0800 (GMT+0800) From: "Valenciano . Jose" To: wwi Subject: John Huggins Message-ID: On Thu, 29 May 1997, huggins@onramp.net wrote: > Joey, > I do have a box with your name on it. I will try to get the off shore > boxes mailed by the weekend. Thanks, do tell me how much I owe you. Sorry guys, my message bounces when I send direct. ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 04:49:46 -0500 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Hannover colors, help again! Message-ID: <19970529.044947.8918.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Thu, 29 May 1997 00:15:38 -0400 "S.M. Head" writes: > I know we've all covered the Hannover CL.III many times, but I > don't have the datafile and was simply in need of some quick > advice. I'm whipping up an Airfix 1/72 kit for a friend and want > to avoid the overall lozenge. I noticed the nice blue fuselage > on the datafile I borrowed long ago, and the fine model on the > WWI website is beautiful- so to save me from having to buy a > datafile, can anyone give me an approximate color match for the > blue? Are there decals available for 1/72 scale Hannovers (long > shot, eh?). How about that stripe- does it wrap all the way > around? If this is beyond the scope of words, would anyone be > willing to fax me or mail me a copy of this scheme? I'll be > happy to pay whatever is necessary to cover costs. Hmm...sorry, Scott, but the back of the Hannover CL.III Datafile shows no such marking. The only thing "close" is a light blue, Roland built CL.II. Could you be thinking of one of the Halberstadt two-seaters? As far as references, I show: CL.III: Scale Aircraft Modeler, Fall 1979 Scale Modeler, Vol 22 No 10 (both of these do something with the Airfix kit) WW1 Aero, #125 (Cockpits & Instruments) CL.IIIa: IPMS Update, Vol 23 No 3 OtF, Vol 1 No 1, Vol 6 No 4 Windsock, Vol 7 No 2 WW1 Aero, #125, 130 (Cockpits & Instruments) HTH. Matt mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 07:06:43 -0500 From: barrett@iplink.net (barrett) To: wwi Subject: Formaplane Trade Message-ID: Hello, Someone out there a couple of days ago was fishing around to trade a Formaplane 1/72 FE2b (I'm afraid I've lost track of who had this available). If you're still looking to trade it, how about an exchange for a Formaplane Halberstadt ClII? Kevin B. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 12:48:04 +0000 From: "Brian Bushe" To: wwi Subject: Re: MVR aircraft,previously Camel/Spad XIII Message-ID: <199705291152.MAA18850@itl.net> re: Re: MVR aircraft,previously Camel/S > Another latter day hero is Sharpe in Bernard Cornwell's Napoleonic novels > and the series of films with Sean Bean - again Sharpe is Everyman - not > the rich and powerful aristocrats with everything going for them. Your compatriot GM Fraser's hero is a lot more believable, and of course places the complete opposite view of 'heroes', ie those who take the credit that is due to others. He does places interesting (and heavily researched) slants on most of the historical figures of the period. > So I think we must agree to differ. I understand that you regard the > killing of enemies by whatever method the yardstick for measuring the man. > But the danger is that if we associate this with heroism and celebration > we devalue our standards. We come to regard the end as justification for > the means and this surely is the one important lesson that the Great War > taught should not be tolerable. But he's no more a serial killer than the british aces. And a lot less than Haig. Brian 'My mind is going. There is no question of it' - Hal 9000 Brian Bushe syclone@itl.net Syclone Systems Fieldhouse Lane (44) 01628 476 500 Marlow Fax 01628 475 522 Buckinghamshire SL7 1LU England ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 13:21:52 +0100 (BST) From: Sandy Adam To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: MVR aircraft,previously Camel/Spad XIII Message-ID: On Tue, 27 May 1997, Carlos Valdes wrote: > ability, just like Manfred and countless other pilots--what makes the > Baron "special" (and thus so famous) is that he did his better than > anyone else in his position, friend or foe. I understand and accept your position but from my position you should substitute 'notorious' for 'special'. He was the absolute master at choosing what and when to attack - often a vastly inferior two-seater, usually well behind his own lines, usually with a single forward firing gun, usually with half the German Air Force as backup. Certainly he was an exceptional marksman and certainly he became involved in dogfights with high quality opposition. But my understanding of his Treatise on the function of the fighter pilot is to kill the enemy as efficiently as possible - rather in the manner of an aerial sniper. this is not the stuff that legends - or heroes - are made of. I can see the glamour and/or heroism in Barker taking on half the 1918 Fokker D.VII production single-handed, or Kazakov trying to drag opponents down with an anchor, or Voss taking on 56 Sqdrn alone and butting bullets in all of them, or Warneford taking on a Zeppeling the size of a city in a motorised bath chair of a Parasol. These things stir the blood, or at least my blood, Very little that MvR did has that effect on me. Added to the fact that we know he boasted to the citizens of somewhere or other (can get ref if you want) that he shot down the bomber that had attacked their town and was carried shoulder high through the streets - when it was demonstrably an outright lie; leaves an individual that I do not lionise, nor celebrate but merely recognise far what he was worth. You all seem to have it in for Bishop - perhaps justifiably. Add Manfred to cloth of the same material. As you say Carlos, we have said enough on the subject. And these are only persnanl opinions. It is up to each individual to decide whether MvR is a hero or not to him. Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 07:34:12 -0500 From: "Joseph Gentile" To: Subject: Re: Hannover colors, help again! Message-ID: <199705291237.HAA23351@Walden.MO.NET> > Hmm...sorry, Scott, but the back of the Hannover CL.III Datafile > shows no such marking. The only thing "close" is a light blue, > Roland built CL.II. Could you be thinking of one of the > Halberstadt two-seaters? > > Au contraire mes ami....You are rapidly showing signs of acute far sightedness, exacerbated by years and years of 1/72 scale aircraft. The first color plate is Hannover Cl.II, Schlasta 12, Spring 1918, serial unconfirmed. ..."Finished in a typical scheme of four or five color printed fabric surfaces, hand painted lozenge plycovered surfaces, major proportion of fuselage over-sprayed with a dark "Prussian" blue, leaving the smaller, painted tail "lozenges" intact. Broad unit black and white sash continues over fuselage in a continual line to meet starboard lower wing root." If you look hard you will see the outlines of a few blue and green lozenges on the fuselage. They are not noticable at a glance. The blue is darker than what I have generally seen represented as "Prussian" blue. I think I used a Humbrol 15? It is called "medium blue." This is the the same aircraft that I believe Jesse has on Allan's web page and it is also depicted on the back cover of a Windsock. I can't remember the issue, but it was late last year. In the caption the modeler states that he sprayed "Prussian" blue over hand painted lozenges. It is not apparent in the photography, and gives one an idea of how a solid colored fuselage would look. HTH. Joe ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 13:32:04 +0100 (BST) From: Sandy Adam To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: color systems Message-ID: On Wed, 28 May 1997, Geoff Smith wrote: > > Cheeky swine. I wouldn't care but you lot have only ever built one sports= > car (sorry two sports cars). Carroll Shelby's version of the superb BRITI= > SH > AC Cobra and the Ford (Huh??) GT40 which admittedly was all your own work= > =2E = Hang on there Geoff - the GT40 was designed and built by the special cars devision of Ford at DAGENHAM in ENGLAND. The yanks have never built a proper sports car. Lets all luagh at the Viper (heh heh heh heh). They've never realised that cars have to go round corners even if they do have 7 litre engines in them. Don't forget the Germans though. My last four Beamers all had engines descended from Fokker D.VII's after all. Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 09:23:27 -0400 From: jsthorn@mindspring.com (Jesse Thorn) To: wwi Subject: Re: HIT Kits Message-ID: Glad to hear the Albatros kits are good. I bought the Bregeut 19 kit at a recent IPMS show. It has so much flash I could build a second model from the excess! --Jesse ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 08:22:11 -0500 From: "Joseph Gentile" To: "WWI Mail list" Subject: Hippo update Message-ID: <199705291324.IAA28595@Walden.MO.NET> Carlos et al., The Silverbird web site has just added Hippo to their page of new products. The Berg is available at $27.90 plus P&P. The Macchi M5 is in the "INQ" stage and the Gotha G.V is "NYA." Joe ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 09:25:29 +0000 From: "Paul Schwartzkopf" To: wwi Subject: AMT 1/48 DH4 Message-ID: <199705291428.JAA20312@tscrypt1.transcrypt.com> A few years ago, I purchased the old AMT 1/48 DH4 at a hobby shop close-out table for a buck or two. I have never done an accurate comparison of the kit to the real aircraft. Besides the way- over-done fabric texturing, is this kit a total loser? I have never seen an Aurora DH4, but with Glencoe supposedly re-issuing that kit in the near future, is it better to toss the AMT kit when the Glencoe is released, or can it be salvaged into something passable? No, I was not drinking when I bought it, I was just getting started into WW1 at the time. I started working on the Eduard Albatross CIII this weekend. Cleaned up the fuselage flash and started the interior sections. I can't tell from the instructions, but shouldn't the observer/gunner's seat be positioned under the cockpit opening? It appears that everything is crammed into a fuselage that is not really long enough to hold the cockpit assembly. That cast metal engine also sure seems heavier than the photo-etched brass is capable of supporting. Any advice would be appreciated. TIA. Paul There are 2 types of masking tape--one that won't stay on, and the other that won't come off. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 10:34:08 -0400 From: jsthorn@mindspring.com (Jesse Thorn) To: wwi Subject: Re: Hippo update Message-ID: >The Silverbird web site has just added Hippo to their page of new products. > The Berg is available at $27.90 plus P&P. The Macchi M5 is in the "INQ" >stage and the Gotha G.V is "NYA." Sorry if I missed earlier postings, but has anyone seen one of the Berg kits yet? --Jesse ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 10:05:24 -0700 From: Jack Berlien To: wwi Subject: Re: MVR aircraft,previously Camel/Spad XIII Message-ID: Thanks to everyone who responded (and there were many!) to my MvR red question! I was really surprised to see the number of people who had actually researched this issue and I got a lot of great info. Thanks again, Jack ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 08:04:21 -0700 From: Michelle and Rory Goodwin To: wwi Subject: Re: HIT Kits Message-ID: <338D9AF5.5E36@ricochet.net> Bill Bacon wrote: > > Fellow list members, > > While at Squadron Scalefest, I went off the deep end and bought five of > the HIT Kits available. All are in munchkin scale. Follows a quick > impression of each. > > Albatros D.III (Offag) series 253 > The mouldings are in gray plastic and very well done with negligble > flash. The detail is crisp and well defined. Two types of alierons and > elevators are provided. The brass fret provides interior detals and > wire wheel parts. There are no metal parts but the engine, prop,and > struts on the plastic tree are well done. Instructions are of the step > by step illustration type. Alternate choices are referenced by the (?) > symbol we all know so well. There is no rigging diagram. All in all it > appears to be very well done. The decals provide are excellent and in > register. Decals and b&w profiles are provide for the following A/C: > > 1. Korporal Geza Kelsz, oveall dark gree w/ocre sworl which is provided > on an excellent decal sheet. > > 2. Feldwebel Eugen Boensch > > 3. Stefan Stec > > 4. Stefan Stec (what was to becme Polish Checkerboard) > > 5. Oberleutenant Franz Peter > > 6. Another of Peter's a/c > > 7. Oberleutenant Friedrich Navratil (heart withh arrow through it) > > 8. Another of Navratil"s a/c. > > 9. November 1918 Yugoslav temporary insignia (roundel) > > 10. Another in temporary Yugoslav markings. > > 11. Air Force of the Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Sloveians, July 1926 > > 12. Plane flown from Switzerland to Czechoslavakia (crashed enroute). > > Take your pick > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Albatros D.III (Offag) series 53/153 > > The same general review as above but the tree has more flash. > > Markings: > > 1. Godwin Brumoski > > 2. Oberleutenant Hans Facher > > 3. Hauptmann Godwin Brumoski (all reed with skull and sworl all over) > > 4. Kurt Gruber (star and cresent) > > 5. Leutenant Franz Graser > > 6. Oberleutenant Georg Kanzian > > 7. Oberleutenant Frank Linke-Crawford > > 8. A/C from Filk 6, Albania 1917 > > 9. Friedrich Hefty > > 10. Another Friedrich Hefty > > 11. Leutenant Otto Schrimpl > > 12. Hauptmann Godwin Brumoski (all red with skull in 3 positions) > > Again, take your pick. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Albatros D.III (Offag) Series 253 > > Same comments as above but a very small amount of flash. > > Markings all Polish > > 1. No. 8 of 7th Squadron > > 2. No. 5 of 7th Sqoadron flown by Merion Cooper > > 3. No. 1 of 7th Squadron flown by Cedrick Fauntleroy > > 4. A/C of unknown unit. > > 5. A/C of 13 Squadron. > > 6. A/C of 13 Squadron. > > 7. A/C of 13 Squadron. > > 8. Typical a/c > > 9. A/C of pilot academy > > 10. A/C crashed by Major Serglusz Abzoftowski > > 11. A/.C repaired at Krakow > > Two more tomorrow. Riordan, these are right up your alley > > Cheers, > > Bill B. > > Bill Bacon > wbacon@netjava.net Bill, What's the price of these kits? Around $20 US? TIA -- Shelley and Riordan Goodwin Visit our websites: Riordan's Wings of Revolution: http://www.serve.com/rgoodwin Shelley's Jewelry Gifts: http://www.silkroadjewels.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 11:09:59 -0400 From: Carlos Valdes To: wwi Subject: Re: Hippo update Message-ID: <2.2.16.19970529100857.2d77b05a@conted.swann.gatech.edu> Joe, Thanks for the word on the web site. Jesse, No one has mentioned seeing the Berg cose up, but there has been speculation that it is based on the Czechmasters kit, although this was not mentioned in the short review in the last Windsock. Carlos ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 08:37:02 -0700 From: Michelle and Rory Goodwin To: wwi Subject: Re: AMT 1/48 DH4 Message-ID: <338DA29E.28A9@ricochet.net> Paul Schwartzkopf wrote: > > A few years ago, I purchased the old AMT 1/48 DH4 at a hobby shop > close-out table for a buck or two. I have never done an accurate > comparison of the kit to the real aircraft. Besides the way- > over-done fabric texturing, is this kit a total loser? I have never > seen an Aurora DH4, but with Glencoe supposedly re-issuing that kit > in the near future, is it better to toss the AMT kit when the Glencoe > is released, or can it be salvaged into something passable? No, I > was not drinking when I bought it, I was just getting started into WW1 at the > time. Paul, I have this kit and it is actually a post-war American DH4B, with repositioned cockpit/fuel tank. These were used by the Marines in off-topic skirmishes in the Carribean in the '20s. The fuselage somewhat resembles a DH9A, but the Ninack's wings are different, so you are either facing major surgery, scratchbuilding or making a post-war version. The wings are a nightmare; I don't know if it's worth attempting to sand off the gross texturing rather than make new wings. -- Shelley and Riordan Goodwin Visit our websites: Riordan's Wings of Revolution: http://www.serve.com/rgoodwin Shelley's Jewelry Gifts: http://www.silkroadjewels.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 10:48:51 -0500 From: "Joseph Gentile" To: Subject: Re: Hippo update Message-ID: <199705291551.KAA21625@Walden.MO.NET> > Jesse, > No one has mentioned seeing the Berg cose up, but there has been > speculation that it is based on the Czechmasters kit, although this was not > mentioned in the short review in the last Windsock. > > Carlos > Carlos, If you remember Franco Polni mentioned that he had this kit and was rather enthusiastic about it. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 12:06:07 -0400 From: Carlos Valdes To: wwi Subject: Re: Hippo update Message-ID: <2.2.16.19970529110505.354f0f2a@conted.swann.gatech.edu> >If you remember Franco Polni mentioned that he had this kit and was rather >enthusiastic about it. Yes, indeed; I had forgotten. So, is anyone going to order it? I was thinking of maybe trying to get it from the manufacturer. Carlos ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 12:22:34 -0400 (AST) From: Alberto Rada To: wwi Subject: Re: Hippo update Message-ID: <199705291622.MAA13816@fw.true.net> Carlos, Hola I am most interested in the Macchi M5 and would also like to order it, but where do I find the status of this kit, who can I find out how much $ and if it is already selling SALUDOS ALBERTO At 12:13 PM 29-05-97 -0400, you wrote: > >>If you remember Franco Polni mentioned that he had this kit and was rather >>enthusiastic about it. > > Yes, indeed; I had forgotten. So, is anyone going to order it? I was >thinking of maybe trying to get it from the manufacturer. > Carlos > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 11:44:49 -0500 From: "Joseph Gentile" To: Subject: Re: Hippo update Message-ID: <199705291647.LAA00760@Walden.MO.NET> Carlos, Alberto, You two gentlemen seem eminently qualified to act as guinea pigs del facto on behalf of the list. Go for it! JG ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 16:58:14 +0100 (BST) From: Sandy Adam To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: 12 Squadron Markings Message-ID: On Wed, 28 May 1997, William Ciciora wrote: > Do any of the fans of PC10 have info on 12 Squadron aircraft markings > during mid 1918? I've decided to do my Aeroclub RE8 as one of Pithey & > Rhodes machines. This was the crew that didn't realize the RE8 wasn't a > fighter, and claimed 10 aircraft including 2 balloons, 3 2-seaters, 3 Pfalz > D.IIIs, and 2 Fokker D.VIIs (!). As a slight PC10 supporter I would like to help as much as I can on this but can't find any definitive pictures or text to help out. There is a good article in an old Cross & Cockade - UK vol4 Nr 3 about the pair which has a clear close up of a 12 Sqdrn RE8 but unfortunately the markings are just off picture. It looks to be in standard PC10/Linen/Metal garb with the edge of a white circle just visible aft of the fuselage roundel - slightly smaller diameter and about twice as thick as white roundel outline. But whether this is simple circle or possible figure-of-eight I haven't managed to cross-refer yet. The lower inner centre section panels are pale (bare metal?) fore and aft. They seem to have flown B7715 with a single Lewis and F6097 with twin Lewis's (with this they got their D.VIIs). Rhodes later said: "We had numerous forays tempting would-be executioners to try their arm with us to their own destruction. Although we were very slow we had a perfect understanding and once we got them in the position we wanted them it was easy" Yes!!! If I can find any more I'll let you know. Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 12:30:16 +0000 From: "Paul Schwartzkopf" To: wwi Subject: Buttons Message-ID: <199705291733.MAA21796@tscrypt1.transcrypt.com> I received my buttons from John in the mail today. Those of you still waiting will not be disappointed. They are very well done to say the least. John, please let us know the price on them. As stated in Blazing Saddles, we really need to extend to you a "laurel and hearty handshake"! Paul There are 2 types of masking tape--one that won't stay on, and the other that won't come off. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 14:01:17 -0400 From: Carlos Valdes To: wwi Subject: Re: Hippo update Message-ID: <2.2.16.19970529130015.22af0fdc@conted.swann.gatech.edu> Alberto, Try looking at http://www.grjablko.cz/sbird/index.html or I can give you the address of the manufacturer. Carlos ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 14:55:35 -0400 (AST) From: Alberto Rada To: wwi Subject: Re: Hippo update Message-ID: <199705291855.OAA20616@fw.true.net> I have sent him an e-mail to find out all the info on how to pay etc. I am not interested in the Aviatik as I have the MK one, by the way the instructions are splendid It's a blank page that says at the top MK 1/48 No. 356 Aviatik Berg, epoxi resin kit, hand made AND THAT'S ALL, but then better no instructions than lousy instructions Joseph Gentile grote: Carlos, Alberto, You two gentlemen seem eminently qualified to act as guinea pigs del facto on behalf of the list. Go for it! JG OK Joseph I'll do it, I'll sacrifice for the cause, but please find another simile, As I'm Jewish and my Rabbi doesn't allow me anything to do with pigs ( I do eat it though , I believe religion shouldn't mingle with food or sex ) SALUDOS ALBERTO At 02:09 PM 29-05-97 -0400, you wrote: >Alberto, > Try looking at > > http://www.grjablko.cz/sbird/index.html > >or I can give you the address of the manufacturer. > > Carlos > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 12:06:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Patrick Padovan To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Camel Experts Wanted: Matt: Message-ID: Greetings, Matt! Thanks for the words of encouragement. But what is AMS? I'm not familar with the term. I had Chas. Bowers book (C.K.O.C.) out from the library years ago. I'll see if I can't get hold of it again. It may be one of the sources that talked about BR1 Camels being superior. I'm pretty sure that the BR1 only became available fairly late in the Camel's production life, so perhaps that is why it isn't much mentioned in the Datafile (and as I said, only under its early designation of AR1). Still, if it became a standard engine during the Camel's production run, doesn't it seem odd more wasn't said about it in the Datafile? Still, far be it from me to criticize the likes of J.M. Bruce. Space constraints may have led to a curtailed text, perhaps also some judicious editing. Those "people with wings" that you mentioned I ought to be seeing soon. . . I presume they'll have biplane wings, with struts and complex rigging? Regards, Patrick P.S. I presume I'm not insane for intending to rig this thing when I get it done? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Patrick Padovan Interlibrary Loan Associate Timberland Regional Library Voice: 360-943-5001 415 Airdustrial Way SW FAX: 360-586-6838 Olympia, WA 98501-5799 e-mail: ppadovan@timberland.lib.wa.us ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 15:23:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Fportier@aol.com To: wwi Subject: VLE Models enquiry Message-ID: <970529152323_-1229727403@emout06.mail.aol.com> Dear Members, The current issue of Scale Aircraft Modelling mentions a 1/72 vacform of the 1912 Fokker Spinne III with metal parts by VLE Models from the US. Where, How, How much? TIA. Francois ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 14:37:51 +0000 From: "Paul Schwartzkopf" To: wwi Subject: Re: Camel Experts Wanted: Matt: Message-ID: <199705291941.OAA22649@tscrypt1.transcrypt.com> Patrick, AMS is Advanced Modelers' Syndrome. This is a deadly disease that prevents modelers from opening up a model box and building the item inside as-is, with no parts, decals, etc. from an outside source. In other words, you will do about anything to prevent yourself from building the kit straight out of the box. It is unknown if it is fatal, but it has been known to cause severe problems between a modeler and his/her spouse/family. Most of us are prone to this disease sooner or later. ROTFL Paul There are 2 types of masking tape--one that won't stay on, and the other that won't come off. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 16:09:51 -0400 From: Geoff Smith To: "INTERNET:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Bill Shatzer's reprehensible and unprovoked attack on Brits (was color systems) Message-ID: <199705291610_MC2-177E-2690@compuserve.com> On Thursday,29 May, Sandy wrote: >>On Wed, 28 May 1997, Geoff Smith wrote: >> = >> Cheeky swine. I wouldn't care but you lot have only ever built one sports=3D >> car (sorry two sports cars). Carroll Shelby's version of the superb BRITI=3D >> SH >> AC Cobra and the Ford (Huh??) GT40 which admittedly was all your own work=3D >> =3D2E =3D >Hang on there Geoff - the GT40 was designed and built by the special car= s >devision of Ford at DAGENHAM in ENGLAND. >The yanks have never built a proper sports car. Lets all luagh at the >Viper (heh heh heh heh). >They've never realised that cars have to go round corners even if they d= o >have 7 litre engines in them. >Don't forget the Germans though. My last four Beamers all had engines >descended from Fokker D.VII's after all. >Sandy< Sandy, As an employee of the UK division of a large American corporation, now thankfully divorced from an almost disastrous union with another larger a= nd equally well known American corporation (don't PHONE to find out which), = I recognise that whether a product is designed and built from scratch and even financed from within the division, it becomes an "American product".= Ergo the GT40 is American in the same way as the "Ford" DFV which apart from money had bog all to do with 'em. Hence the "Huh ??" Your beamers should have flown better than the Fokker - highly developed engine, twice as many wings, those lovely Scottish roads. :-) And Bill Shatzer wrote: >Ah, I swore I'd never post an off-topic post but this 'un tempts >me beyond redemption. Sorry, Bill >The former owner of an MG (short, I think for "mostly garaged"), a >British sports car of no distinction, Can't disagree there if it's post-war & an MGA,MGB, or MGC (can't speak f= or the F) > I offer the following additions >to your definition of a British sports car. >1. It has two Solex carburators which are not now, and never will be, in wonk! >2. It can only be serviced by folks in white coats named "Nigel" or "Colin" who talk funny and charge approximately $750 an hour to adjust the timing (or the two Solex carburators!) You will, of course, be visiting with Nigel and Colin on a frequent basis. And, whatever Nigel and Colin do, the = carburators will _never_ be in proper wonk! >3. The heater is a joke and the instructions in the owner's manual are mostly intended to mislead you into believing that eventually, sometime or other, a whisp of hot air will come out of those doors. It won't! >4. The top (the "hood"?) is intended to keep out the rain and weather. It will not, of course, do so! (Do not be amazed at the mushrooms growing in your floor mats!) >5. If something breaks, be prepared to wait approximately four months while the union in jolly old England votes on whether or not to crank up the production line to produce the part _you_ need to get your "very British" sports car up and running again. If the union votes "no", be prepared to wait eight to twelve months for your part! = Sounds awfully like a B roadster I used to own. You'ld be amazed how many= "mechanics" put the air cleaner back plates back on upside down during servicing. The thing would run, but it wouldn't run right. Of course the MGB was basically (and I use the term literally) an Austin Cambridge fami= ly saloon with a cut down body. A right bag of crap but anyway it didn't comply with two of the rules - it wasn't fast except in comparison with walking and sometimes that was faster, and it certainly didn't go round corners, well not without castors on the door handles. (BG) >Sigh! A mixture of good and bad memories! But, all things considered. >I think British sports cars are best avoided by all save dedicated >masochists! (Or those with lots of money and lots of patience.) Agreed about the memories, but if you want to change your mind, treat yourself to a TVR Griffith but don't take the wife with you and watch out= for the sign in the mirror that says "ECILOP". (seems to be associated wi= th blue and/or red flashing lights-must be a UFO) Sorry guys, but Fokker D.VII WAS mentioned so this must be valid, (and he= started it) Regards, Geoff ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 562 *********************