WWI Digest 539 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Hansa Brandenburg W.33 by Michelle and Rory Goodwin 2) Re: 1/28 Lozenge? by Carlos Valdes 3) Re: other Oz members by thayer@sirius.com (Thayer Syme) 4) Re: Hansa Brandenburg W.33 by knut.erik.hagen@login.eunet.no (Knut Erik Hagen) 5) Re: Unsubscribing by David Finileman 6) Halberstadt CL II by Alberto Rada 7) Re: Unsubscribing by Bill Ciciora <73717.2274@CompuServe.COM> 8) Re: M-5 by mbittner@juno.com 9) Re: M-5 by mbittner@juno.com 10) Re: Re : Moranes, a final tally by mbittner@juno.com 11) Re: Unsubscribing by The Shannons 12) RAF R.E.8 by Alberto Rada 13) Re: Halberstadt CL II by hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) 14) Re: Halberstadt CL II by Alberto Rada 15) Re: Hansa Brandenburg W.33 by hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) 16) kit gouging by hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) 17) Re: Hansa Brandenburg W.33 by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 18) Re: Halberstadt CL II by Michelle and Rory Goodwin 19) Re: Unsubscribing by Bill Bacon 20) Re: Halberstadt CL II by Alberto Rada 21) Re: kit gouging by Michelle and Rory Goodwin 22) Re: kit gouging by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 23) Re: Halberstadt CL II by Michelle and Rory Goodwin 24) Re: Halberstadt CL II by Alberto Rada 25) Re: New 1/72 Camel from Eduard: by Pedro Soares ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 14:52:23 -0700 From: Michelle and Rory Goodwin To: wwi Subject: Re: Hansa Brandenburg W.33 Message-ID: <33763F97.79F5@ricochet.net> > > > > Visit our websites: > > > > Riordan's Wings of Revolution: http://www.serve.com/rgoodwin > > Just did. I didn't know the Nazis ran a flying club in Norway. Tom, The off-topic exploits of the counterrevolutionary air units of post-war Germany (they weren't technically Nazis yet) are quite interesting. The Polizierflieger and Freikorps pilots of 1919-1921 flew in support of ground ops all the way from Berlin, Posen and Silesia(Poland) to Riga. They flew everything from late-model Fokkers to Halberstadts and Junkers monoplanes. I'll be expanding on this in the next edition of my page "Europe in Flames". Plenty of great new photos, too. Riordan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 19:14:51 -0400 From: Carlos Valdes To: wwi Subject: Re: 1/28 Lozenge? Message-ID: <337652EB.4A35@conted.gatech.edu> Jim, I think four-color fabric would be right. Which one of Udet's Fokkers are you thinking about? Carlos ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 16:22:47 -0700 From: thayer@sirius.com (Thayer Syme) To: wwi Subject: Re: other Oz members Message-ID: >From: "David Solosy" >I'm in Perth (suburb called Inglewood). Can I deduce from your snail mail (snip) >Are there many other Oz members on this list do you know? Well David, I once spent 9 months Down Under during and after the America's Cup comp. 5 months in Perth, Trigg and Freo, the rest touring your fair country. I suppose that's not enough to count as a citizen though, and despite the efforts of a few young ladies, I returned to the States. Still longing to get back. Thayer -- Thayer Syme Model Aviation Homepage San Francisco http://www.sirius.com/~thayer/modelhp.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 01:31:44 +0200 (MET DST) From: knut.erik.hagen@login.eunet.no (Knut Erik Hagen) To: wwi Subject: Re: Hansa Brandenburg W.33 Message-ID: <199705112331.BAA05274@login.eunet.no> >I'm trying to locate some information with the view of building the >Hansa Brandenburg W.33 as used by Norway in the immediate post-war >years. >I found in the latest Hannants catalogue that they will soon have an MPM >Hansa Brandenburg W.29. Does anybody know if this can be turned into a >W.33? I have nothing about the W.29 in my files. I thought a summary on the Hansa Brandenburg W.29 / W.33 in Norway could be of interest also to the non-Norwegian list members. In 1918 the Norwegian Naval Air Arm wanted to replace its Farman pushers with more modern aircraft, Naval officers were sent on official missions to the UK and France and more clandestine to Germany because of the allied control comissions. The Germans offered Friedrchshafen and H.B seaplanes, the W.33 was selected, license and drawings as well wagonloads of parts were procured at favourable terms. The first licensebuilt a/c was delivered from the Naval Aircraft Factory in 1921, to be followed by 29 more W.33s entering the Naval Air Arm. They went with expeditions both to the Arctic and Antarctic, the last ones being expended as a target in the late thirties. A number of W.29 and W.33s were built for the Army Air Arm to be used by the Coastal Artillery. The civilian factory that was to build most of them went bankrupt, and some of the aircraft they were to have built themselves turned out to be ex-German machines. The Army Air Arm Factory was then to build a number of W.33s under license from the Navy and finished them just in time for the Coastal Artillery to be transfered with this aircraft to the Navy. In fact the Army ended up with paying the Navy to build them aircraft! In Norway there were a number of Hansa Brandenburgers with civilian registration, most of them serving with either Air Arm for some time. I have pictures of one on skis, it do certainly not look right. The Hansa Brandenburger floatplanes evolved quite a lot during WW1, and the same could be seen in Norway during almost 10 years of production by three different factories. For instance, even if they started from the same set of drawings, Naval and Army W.33s had a 25cm difference in wingspan. Some of the Naval ones were converted to three seaters and there were different engines in use. The Norwegian use of Hansa Brandenburgers has been detailed in NFT lately, unfortunately we do not have more than a few surviving drawings left, one was offered to the Science Museum just before WW2 but they turned it down because of lack of space. Some of the drawings I have seen were sent from Germany (signed by E.Heinkel), the remainders showing the version built by the Naval Aircraft Factory. One W.33 aircraft survives in Finland, it is somewhat different from the German and Norwegian versions. The W.33 was considerably larger than the W.29. Span Length Engine W.29 13.50m 9.35m 185hp W.33 15.85m 11.10m 220-260hp W.34 16.60m 11.10m 260-300hp There are basic drawings of all versions in Windsocks datafile on the W.29. So you can paint up a W.29 as a W.33 and it will look similiar, but you will have to chop up two W.29 kits if you want to have something of the right size. You will also have to change the engine area accordingly. They were also fitted with Lewis/Vickers mgs instead of German weapons Maybe someone will produce a W.33 kit, there have been quite a number of W.29 kits available over the years. Eders Knut Erik ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 18:32:06 -0600 From: David Finileman To: wwi Subject: Re: Unsubscribing Message-ID: <33766506.43F@worldnet.att.net> Bill Bacon wrote: > > David, > > Try this: > To: wwi=request@pease1.sr.unh.edu > Subjec: (leave blank) > > in body: unsubscribe wwi > > Send that and it should work. We'll miss you. > > Cheers, I tried it. Message rejected. Any more ideas? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 20:46:55 -0400 (AST) From: Alberto Rada To: wwi Subject: Halberstadt CL II Message-ID: <199705120046.UAA02319@fw.true.net> Halberstadt CL II Anyone on the list has or has made Tom's 1/48 resin kit 117 ? . I have the kit and during the weekend I have been "desojando la margarita" whether to build it next, can anyone tell me of drawbacks or problems to encounter on the way, also , the upper surfaces are "camouflaged" with a "scrumble of colors" states a source on Windsock Datafile 27. How do you obtain this, could I use Austro-Hungarian Autumn Leaf cammo by Americal as a substitute, as it resembles it a lot ? All opinions will be greatly appreciated. SALUDOS ALBERTO ------------------------------ Date: 11 May 97 21:30:46 EDT From: Bill Ciciora <73717.2274@CompuServe.COM> To: Subject: Re: Unsubscribing Message-ID: <970512013045_73717.2274_CHK46-1@CompuServe.COM> It seems that it is very important to leave the message title blank to successfully unsubscribe. I had no luck unsubscribing my work account until I left the title blank. Bill C. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 21:10:40 -0500 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: M-5 Message-ID: <19970511.211040.16334.4.mbittner@juno.com> On Sun, 11 May 1997 09:24:52 -0400 Mick Fauchon writes: > Careful with your tongue there, Bittner!.......Some of us might > resemble that remark 80) 80) Well, with so many Braille Scale builders here, it's no doubt!! ;-) Matt mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 21:09:49 -0500 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: M-5 Message-ID: <19970511.211040.16334.3.mbittner@juno.com> On Sun, 11 May 1997 13:11:00 -0400 BStett3770@aol.com writes: >Old ? Me ! > >Thank's junior. > >Just for that I'm ganna have to finish >the silly thing. > >Ya know before the eyes and the mind go. > >Now were did I put my chain saw ....... Yep, finish it and get a picture of it on the web site. I hope the chain saw is for the M.5... :-o Matt mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 21:07:11 -0500 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Re : Moranes, a final tally Message-ID: <19970511.211040.16334.1.mbittner@juno.com> On Sun, 11 May 1997 15:06:32 -0400 Fportier@aol.com writes: > It was in the May issue of Avions that I picked up the info > concerning Airkit. They gave no indications on prices and > availability in shops. I suspect they only sell by mail order. > I have sent a letter of inquiry and plan to order a few for > distribution when I visit the US of A this summer (will probably > meet Charles Hart and dump the kits at his place). Please, keep me in mind when you find this out. I am definitely interested. TIA! Matt mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 21:29:40 -0500 From: The Shannons To: wwi Subject: Re: Unsubscribing Message-ID: <33768094.F85@ix.netcom.com> David Finileman wrote: > > Bill Bacon wrote: > > > > David, > > > > Try this: > > To: wwi=request@pease1.sr.unh.edu > > Subjec: (leave blank) > > > > in body: unsubscribe wwi > > > > Send that and it should work. We'll miss you. > > > > Cheers, > > I tried it. Message rejected. Any more ideas? there is a typo in the address -- it is wwi-request@pease1.sr.unh.edu not an equals sign. The rest of the instructions are correct. Another quick way to unsubscribe is to go away a few days so your mailbox fills up and the listproc drops you (right, guys?) -- This has been Mark and/or Mary Shannon at Shingend@ix.netcom.com History manages to get away with cliches no novelist could. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 22:53:18 -0400 (AST) From: Alberto Rada To: wwi Subject: RAF R.E.8 Message-ID: <199705120253.WAA06642@fw.true.net> There is an article in WW 1 Aero 127 and another in 136 that I need to complete information on this aircraft, could anyone on the list that has these publications please facilitate me photocopies of them. My snail mail address: Alberto Rada CCS 1083 P.O. Box 025323 Miami FL 33102-5323 I will gladly reimburse any cost involved Thanks a lot SALUDOS ALBERTO ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 21:10:24 -0700 From: hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) To: wwi Subject: Re: Halberstadt CL II Message-ID: >Halberstadt CL II > >Anyone on the list has or has made Tom's 1/48 resin kit 117 ? . >I have the kit and during the weekend I have been "desojando la margarita" >whether to build it next, can anyone tell me of drawbacks or problems to >encounter on the way, also , the upper surfaces are "camouflaged" with a >"scrumble of colors" states a source on Windsock Datafile 27. How do you >obtain this, could I use Austro-Hungarian Autumn Leaf cammo by Americal >as a substitute, as it resembles it a lot ? >All opinions will be greatly appreciated. > >SALUDOS > >ALBERTO The "Scrumble of colors" on the top wing is 5-color lozenge fabric. In 1/48 these would be Americal/Gryphon sheets #20 (top) and #21 (bottom). One should note that Halberstadt had an essentially unique way of applying lozenge fabric to the wings of their aircraft. The bolt widths of fabric were applied to the wing surface at a 45 degree angle to the leading edge of the wing. This point is well illustrated in the Aero Master decal instruction sheet. I think that this information is also found at the IPMS Houston Web page. The fuselages of these machines had a stippled painted camouflage applied that resembled the "Summer Leaf"pattern found on the Americal sheet. HTH Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu | | ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 23:32:12 -0400 (AST) From: Alberto Rada To: wwi Subject: Re: Halberstadt CL II Message-ID: <199705120332.XAA07808@fw.true.net> Sorry Charles For scrumble of colors I was, ( obviously wrong ) refering to the painting applied to the fuselage upper part and if it Summer Leaf pattern from Americal could be used. I intend to use the 5 color lozenge from Americal for the wings SALUDOS ALBERTO At 11:13 PM 11-05-97 -0400, you wrote: >>Halberstadt CL II >> >>Anyone on the list has or has made Tom's 1/48 resin kit 117 ? . >>I have the kit and during the weekend I have been "desojando la margarita" >>whether to build it next, can anyone tell me of drawbacks or problems to >>encounter on the way, also , the upper surfaces are "camouflaged" with a >>"scrumble of colors" states a source on Windsock Datafile 27. How do you >>obtain this, could I use Austro-Hungarian Autumn Leaf cammo by Americal >>as a substitute, as it resembles it a lot ? >>All opinions will be greatly appreciated. >> >>SALUDOS >> >>ALBERTO > > > The "Scrumble of colors" on the top wing is 5-color lozenge fabric. >In 1/48 these would be Americal/Gryphon sheets #20 (top) and #21 (bottom). >One should note that Halberstadt had an essentially unique way of applying >lozenge fabric to the wings of their aircraft. The bolt widths of fabric >were applied to the wing surface at a 45 degree angle to the leading edge >of the wing. This point is well illustrated in the Aero Master decal >instruction sheet. I think that this information is also found at the IPMS >Houston Web page. > > The fuselages of these machines had a stippled painted camouflage >applied that resembled the "Summer Leaf"pattern found on the Americal >sheet. > >HTH > >Charles > >hartc@spot.colorado.edu > > > | > | > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 21:38:12 -0700 From: hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) To: wwi Subject: Re: Hansa Brandenburg W.33 Message-ID: >>I'm trying to locate some information with the view of building the >>Hansa Brandenburg W.33 as used by Norway in the immediate post-war >>years. >>I found in the latest Hannants catalogue that they will soon have an MPM >>Hansa Brandenburg W.29. Does anybody know if this can be turned into a >>W.33? I have nothing about the W.29 in my files. > >I thought a summary on the Hansa Brandenburg W.29 / W.33 in Norway could be of >interest also to the non-Norwegian list members. > <<>> > >There are basic drawings of all versions in Windsocks datafile on the W.29. > >So you can paint up a W.29 as a W.33 and it will look similiar, but you will >have to chop up two W.29 kits if you want to have something of the right size. >You will also have to change the engine area accordingly. >They were also fitted with Lewis/Vickers mgs instead of German weapons >Maybe someone will produce a W.33 kit, there have been quite a number of >W.29 kits available over the years. > Thanks Knut Erik for this nice summary, very informative. Somewhere in the dim recesses of my memory I recall seeing a 1/72 vac kit of the HB W.33 at an IPMS Nationals for sale in the vendor room. I couldn't tell you who made it. Quality was fairly good. It was molded on a large single sheet of plastic and came in an equally large box with a green and white printed label. It was definitely a W.33 and not a W.29. FWIW should we start a tally of W.29 kits ??? Working from memory I recall the following: 1/72 scale Czech masters -- possibly two different resin kits, one with a single casting of wings and fuselage together, the other with separate fuselage and wings. Meikraft -- short-run injection, possibly mastered from second resin kit mentioned above MPM -- short run injection (to be released any day now ??), possibly (?) also mastered from resin kit used by Meikraft (???) 1/48 scale Sierra Scale Models -- nicely done vac form kit. Waldo (?) -- resin kit (?) maker unknown -- resin(?) kit produced by a modeler in the midwest (Michigan??) about 1985-87 (help needed here) Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 22:14:37 -0700 From: hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) To: wwi Subject: kit gouging Message-ID: Hi folks, Below is something I copied off of the Four Star Collectables Web site. Am I missing something here, or are there really folks out in the market place willing to pay this kind of $$$ for re-issues of old Aurora kits ? If so, I'm ready to sell out and go heli-skiing next winter or something. >>>>> K&B 1115 Boeing P-26A 1/48 45.00 1115 Boeing P-26A(Bagged) 1/48 30.00 1122 Boeing F4B4 1/48 60.00 1125 DH-10A 1/48 85.00 1126 Gotha G.V. 1/48 135.00 1134 Fokker E.III 1/48 59.00 1135 Fokker E.V 1/48 85.00 1136 Halberstadt CL-II 1/48 110.00 1142 Albatros C.III 1/48 110.00 >>>>>>>> Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 21:14:16 -0700 From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: Hansa Brandenburg W.33 Message-ID: <199705120414.AA02649@ednet1.orednet.org> Charles wrote: > FWIW should we start a tally of W.29 kits ??? Working from memory I >recall the following: > >1/72 scale > > Czech masters -- possibly two different resin kits, one with a single >casting of wings and fuselage together, the other with separate fuselage >and wings. > > Meikraft -- short-run injection, possibly mastered from second resin >kit mentioned above > > MPM -- short run injection (to be released any day now ??), possibly >(?) also mastered from resin kit used by Meikraft (???) Also Veeday, 1/72, circa 1980. Typical Veeday quality - not unbuildable but, as they say, "Some modeling experience helpful." Cheers, -- - Bill Shatzer bshatzer@orednet.org - "This is the West, sir. When the legend becomes fact, print the legend." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 21:33:41 -0700 From: Michelle and Rory Goodwin To: wwi Subject: Re: Halberstadt CL II Message-ID: <33769DA5.7DCC@ricochet.net> Alberto Rada wrote: > > Halberstadt CL II > > Anyone on the list has or has made Tom's 1/48 resin kit 117 ? . > I have the kit and during the weekend I have been "desojando la margarita" > whether to build it next, can anyone tell me of drawbacks or problems to > encounter on the way, also , the upper surfaces are "camouflaged" with a > "scrumble of colors" states a source on Windsock Datafile 27. How do you > obtain this, could I use Austro-Hungarian Autumn Leaf cammo by Americal > as a substitute, as it resembles it a lot ? > All opinions will be greatly appreciated. > > SALUDOS > > ALBERTO The model is missing grenade racks and signal cartridges... Riordan -- Shelley and Riordan Goodwin Visit our websites: Riordan's Wings of Revolution: http://www.serve.com/rgoodwin Shelley's Jewelry Gifts: http://www.silkroadjewels.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 19:32:49 -0500 From: Bill Bacon To: wwi Subject: Re: Unsubscribing Message-ID: <33766531.5DD8@netjava.net> David Finileman wrote: > > Bill Bacon wrote: > > > > David, > > > > Try this: > > To: wwi=request@pease1.sr.unh.edu > > Subjec: (leave blank) > > > > in body: unsubscribe wwi > > > > Send that and it should work. We'll miss you. > > > > Cheers, > > I tried it. Message rejected. Any more ideas? David, My fault. Address should be wwi-request@pease1.sr.unh.edu My computer does what I tell it not what I mean to write. As usual "=" is not the same as "-". Sorry tis should work Bill B. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 01:11:35 -0400 (AST) From: Alberto Rada To: wwi Subject: Re: Halberstadt CL II Message-ID: <199705120511.BAA10652@fw.true.net> Are there any photos or drawings on the pilot's and observer's cockpits of this plane ? SALUDOS ALBERTO At 12:39 AM 12-05-97 -0400, you wrote: >> ALBERTO >The model is missing grenade racks and signal cartridges... > >Riordan >-- >Shelley and Riordan Goodwin >Visit our websites: >Riordan's Wings of Revolution: http://www.serve.com/rgoodwin >Shelley's Jewelry Gifts: http://www.silkroadjewels.com > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 22:22:33 -0700 From: Michelle and Rory Goodwin To: wwi Subject: Re: kit gouging Message-ID: <3376A919.14AC@ricochet.net> Charles Hart wrote: > > Hi folks, > > Below is something I copied off of the Four Star Collectables Web > site. Am I missing something here, or are there really folks out in the > market place willing to pay this kind of $$$ for re-issues of old Aurora > kits ? If so, I'm ready to sell out and go heli-skiing next winter or > something. > > >>>>> > K&B > > 1115 Boeing P-26A 1/48 45.00 > 1115 Boeing P-26A(Bagged) 1/48 30.00 > 1122 Boeing F4B4 1/48 60.00 > 1125 DH-10A 1/48 85.00 > 1126 Gotha G.V. 1/48 135.00 > 1134 Fokker E.III 1/48 59.00 > 1135 Fokker E.V 1/48 85.00 > 1136 Halberstadt CL-II 1/48 110.00 > 1142 Albatros C.III 1/48 110.00 > >>>>>>>> > > Charles > > hartc@spot.colorado.edu Four Star is famous for comically inflated prices of old kits. When I was still hunting Gothas a couple years back, he only wanted $100! I don't know how he sells any. Maybe one-time only customers (obviously with more money than sense) who gotta have that kit from their childhood and don't have time to shop around. I dunno. Riordan -- Shelley and Riordan Goodwin Visit our websites: Riordan's Wings of Revolution: http://www.serve.com/rgoodwin Shelley's Jewelry Gifts: http://www.silkroadjewels.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 22:23:42 -0700 From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: kit gouging Message-ID: <199705120523.AA27956@ednet1.orednet.org> Charles writes: > >Hi folks, > > Below is something I copied off of the Four Star Collectables Web >site. Am I missing something here, or are there really folks out in the >market place willing to pay this kind of $$$ for re-issues of old Aurora >kits ? If so, I'm ready to sell out and go heli-skiing next winter or >something. -list of prices snipped- Well, the value of anything is what someone will pay for it. But the prices listed are anywheres from twice to four times the current prices being asked for old K & B kits in John Burn's Kit Collectors' Clearinghouse. Still, Four Star is a commerical business, unlike the collectors/traders/basement dealers who inhabit and advertise in KCC. Like any commercial business, Four Star has expenses and overhead which the collectors/traders/ basement dealers do not and, presumably, Four Star wishes to turn a profit at the end of the day which is only a secondary or even tertiary objective for most of the KCC denizens. I'd assume that Four Star probably adds a 50% or larger mark up when they price these things for sale - a kit which they paid $40 for would probably be priced for resale at $80 or more. That ain't necessarily right or wrong, that's just the way the commercial collectables market works. And, if someone is willing to pay that, well, then, they've priced it correctly, eh? You can make some money by selling old Aurora/K & B stuff but not, most likely, anything close to the prices Four Star is asking. Actually, you missed the top of the market for the WW1 aircraft stuff which was 10 years back or so -back when _no one_ was making new WW1 aircraft kits and if you wanted to build WW1, you had to hunt down old kits. With the recent activity by Eduard and DML, the builders' demand for old kits has slacked off and the prices have softened considerably. The Aurora figure and science-fiction kits are what are "hot" now. Got any of the sci-fi kits based on the television series "Lost in Space"? Now _those_ ya' probably could sell for the cost of heli-skiing vacation! Cheers, -- - Bill Shatzer bshatzer@orednet.org - "This is the West, sir. When the legend becomes fact, print the legend." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 22:29:49 -0700 From: Michelle and Rory Goodwin To: wwi Subject: Re: Halberstadt CL II Message-ID: <3376AACD.4F43@ricochet.net> Alberto Rada wrote: > > Are there any photos or drawings on the pilot's and > observer's cockpits of this plane ? Absolutely. My scrapbook has a few good photos & even some old plans I'll send you. Do you have the Jane's WWI book? Riordan -- Shelley and Riordan Goodwin Visit our websites: Riordan's Wings of Revolution: http://www.serve.com/rgoodwin Shelley's Jewelry Gifts: http://www.silkroadjewels.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 01:48:14 -0400 (AST) From: Alberto Rada To: wwi Subject: Re: Halberstadt CL II Message-ID: <199705120548.BAA11373@fw.true.net> No, I dont have the Jane's, I am trying to get one through a friend. I have the datafile, but no cockpit views, so anything you send me is wellcome SALUDOS ALBERTO At 01:36 AM 12-05-97 -0400, you wrote: >Alberto Rada wrote: >> >> Are there any photos or drawings on the pilot's and >> observer's cockpits of this plane ? > >Absolutely. My scrapbook has a few good photos & even some old plans >I'll send you. >Do you have the Jane's WWI book? > >Riordan >-- >Shelley and Riordan Goodwin >Visit our websites: >Riordan's Wings of Revolution: http://www.serve.com/rgoodwin >Shelley's Jewelry Gifts: http://www.silkroadjewels.com > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 09:11:23 +0200 From: Pedro Soares To: wwi Subject: Re: New 1/72 Camel from Eduard: Message-ID: <3376C29B.2D8B@anaep.pt> Mark K. Nelson wrote: > > > Anyone have any experience or advice on applying an Austro-Hungarian > >"Autumn Leaf" pattern in 1/72nd? Martin O'Connor provides a detailed > >description of the pattern in his Austro-Hungarian tome, and apparently > >the original was applaied with paint soaked rags or sponges. I don't plan > >on doing this, as the paint would be too thick for the scale. Any > >suggestions? > > Regards, Patrick > > I tried "Steve S's" brush stipple technique on a 1/72 kit and couldn't get > it to look right (although having never seen the real thing I may be wrong, > it could have been perfect.) - a dry-sponge dab technique might do a good > job, or using a really wretched paint brush for a more blotted look. Next > time I might try the spatter tip in a Testors/Aztec airbrush and see how > that looks. > > _____________________________________________________________________ > > Mark (An Employee at Kites & Other Delights in West Edmonton Mall) > ------------------------ > mnelson@compusmart.ab.ca Has anybody tried to replicate the blotches with ground pastels applied with a cut brush? I read about this somewhere (though it was connected with AFV modeling) and It would also probably work in the case here concerned. never tried it though, so take it lightly :-) In RMS there was even this guy who would use pastels, a stipple brush and a rotary tool(set to very low revs) to achieve a mottle camo. This could also be something to give a thought on... Just a thought, anyway Pedro ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 539 *********************