WWI Digest 520 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: On meeting listmembers by "Paul Schwartzkopf" 2) Nieuport 17 cockpits by Tom Werner Hansen 3) Re: "French Aircraft of the First World War" by Bill Bacon 4) Mark:Re: Dragon Update by Patrick Padovan 5) Re: Inspiration for Next Up by Patrick Padovan 6) Re: Nieuport 17 cockpits by Carlos Valdes 7) Re: Cross Modeling: Another Out-Of-The-Closet by Patrick Padovan 8) Re: Inspiration for Next Up by Geoff Smith 9) Re: Cross Modeling: Another Out-Of-The-Closet by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 10) Re: Inspiration for Next Up by Bill Bacon 11) Re: Nieuport 17 cockpits by "Joseph Gentile" 12) Re: Cross Modeling: Another Out-Of-The-Closet by Patrick Padovan 13) Publications by Geoff Smith 14) RE: WHAT I WANT (in an Albatrii) by Shane Weier 15) Re: Which way do you hang? by DavidL1217@aol.com 16) RE: Boche Balloon Buster -- 30 April 1917, Muizon by Shane Weier 17) Re: Inspiration for Next Up by Geoff Smith 18) Re: Pegasus Br XIV B.2 review by DavidL1217@aol.com 19) Re: Rep : RE: Wood Finishes by Kevin Wenker 20) Re: WHAT I WANT by DavidL1217@aol.com 21) Re: Comment on this list by "Jim Lyzun" 22) Re: WHAT I WANT: Pegasus by DavidL1217@aol.com 23) Re: Cross Modeling: Another Out-Of-The-Closet by Kevin Wenker 24) Re: Inspiration for Next Up by Kevin Wenker 25) Re: WHAT I WANT by DavidL1217@aol.com 26) RE: Inspiration for Next Up by Shane Weier 27) RAF FE.2b by Alberto Rada 28) RE: Inspiration for Next Up by Alberto Rada 29) Re: WHAT I WANT: Pegasus by Michelle and Rory Goodwin ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 15:23:09 +0000 From: "Paul Schwartzkopf" To: wwi Subject: Re: On meeting listmembers Message-ID: <199704302030.PAA01750@tscrypt1.transcrypt.com> Randy, Thank you! I'll check for it. Paul > Bill Horan's MILITARY MODELLING MASTER CLASS >{SNIPPET} > This should still be readily availble in the U.S. Just saw it at the local > shop (Colpar Hobbies in Denver, CO) last weekend. > > Randy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 22:49:04 -0700 From: Tom Werner Hansen To: wwi Subject: Nieuport 17 cockpits Message-ID: <33682ED0.7C5E@sn.no> Inspired by To: wwi Subject: Re: "French Aircraft of the First World War" Message-ID: <3367B184.55DB@netjava.net> Brian Nicklas wrote: > > Bill & others who hold the "FRENCH" book. > Is there any coverage of observation balloons? > brian Brian, Sorry to report that there are no balloons. Have you seen the C&C UK issue that covered balloons quite well as I remember? Cheers, Bill B. wbacon@netjava.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 13:56:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Patrick Padovan To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Mark:Re: Dragon Update Message-ID: Greetings! Mark: The Ju88a from DML that's "not available in North America..." Is it a 48 or 72? Just curious. (Oh, wha a give-away!) Regards, Patrick ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Patrick Padovan Interlibrary Loan Associate Timberland Regional Library Voice: 360-943-5001 415 Airdustrial Way SW FAX: 360-586-6838 Olympia, WA 98501-5799 e-mail: ppadovan@timberland.lib.wa.us ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 14:00:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Patrick Padovan To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Inspiration for Next Up Message-ID: Greetings, all. For me, it's definitely a matter of what I've been reading lately. . .of course, interesting new decal sheets have their influence on me, too. I find that, oddly enough, it's not usually a new kit that does it. I'll get a new kit, put it away, and wait until I'm reading an article or book that inspires me to dig out the needed kit and get started. Regards, Patrick ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Patrick Padovan Interlibrary Loan Associate Timberland Regional Library Voice: 360-943-5001 415 Airdustrial Way SW FAX: 360-586-6838 Olympia, WA 98501-5799 e-mail: ppadovan@timberland.lib.wa.us ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 17:05:37 -0400 From: Carlos Valdes To: wwi Subject: Re: Nieuport 17 cockpits Message-ID: <3367B421.75F5@conted.gatech.edu> Tom, Steve Hustad is the god of 1/72 modeling. Take a look at the shots of his work in the images section at http://pease1.sr.unh.edu and you will understand. Carlos ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 14:12:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Patrick Padovan To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Cross Modeling: Another Out-Of-The-Closet Message-ID: Okay, in the spirit of sharing and honesty and enlightenment, I, too, have a confession to make: I also model WWII a/c. Please, before anyone throws stones, let me explain. It started innocently enough. I thought, "Well, I'll just build one Bf 109, a Hasegawa, right out of the box. It's a nice kit, and that desert camouflage of JG 27 with the olive RLM 80 over the sand RLM79 sure looks sharp. I'll just detail the cockpit a little but, correct this and that, and add some after market decals..." So it began. First it was just one 109, then another. . .the next thing I knew, months later, it was 4 O'Clock in the morning, and there was paint on my hands and a half finished Ju 52 on the table. . . Since then ther have been others. There's no point in trying to hide it. Finish, Italian, French, British, U.S, and Japanese a/c. Even a U-Boat, but only once, I swear! Anyway, there it is. I still model wwi, its still my first love, but. . .I feel better for having made a clean breast of it. I hope you can accept me as I am. Regards, Patrick ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Patrick Padovan Interlibrary Loan Associate Timberland Regional Library Voice: 360-943-5001 415 Airdustrial Way SW FAX: 360-586-6838 Olympia, WA 98501-5799 e-mail: ppadovan@timberland.lib.wa.us ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Wed, 30 Apr 1997, Jesse Thorn wrote: > > > Well, since Ellen Degeneres is 'coming out' on tonite's episode of 'Ellen' > here in the US I thought I might as well get something off my chest, too. > It is time for me to come out of the modeling closet and admit that I Cross > Model. Yes folks, hard as it is to believe, I occasionally buy and even > BUILD 1/72nd scale models. > > I paint them pink. It helps me relax at night. > > --Jesse > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 17:32:21 -0400 From: Geoff Smith To: "INTERNET:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Inspiration for Next Up Message-ID: <199704301732_MC2-15BC-73D2@compuserve.com> Yo bros, As Kevin said, there's a lot of choice, especially for a newbie. I mean after the Dr.I, I've got a D.VIII and a Sopwith Baby to throw together but then I'm going to be really stuck. I get my inspiration from she who runs the bank account and what I'd really like to see is the cheque book and piece of plastic that she keeps walled up in the cellar that's guarded by the SAS regiment's 5 resident Dobermanns. But I'd settle for a pair of fuselage crosses for Jacobs' Dr.I at this moment since I've just written BOTH mine off. Boy am I cheesed off or what? That's why I'm here writing to you lot instead of sending it into a terminal velocity dive to the floor. Gerald P. MCOSKER tried to wind up everyone on this little island on the east side of the Atlantic by writing: >April 27, 1997 St. Columbas Cricket Club- 101 all out. Yale University 72 all out The match was distinguished in the 28th over by a leg side ball bouncing into McOsker's left cheek whereupon he recoiled in pain sending the ball down to fine leg allowing St. Columba's to score another run. [And you think scale modelling is strange?]< Actually, no, I think scale modelling is the product of an imaginative and creative streak. It's relaxing and skilful, mostly, rather like cricket unless you're actually playing when it can frequently be extremely painful as you obviously found out. If you play and you think cricket is strange, what do you think of a game where two teams of players face each other dressed up in padding cos they're only 1/72 scale, one guy kicks a funny shape ball (shaped like a testicle - well it would be wouldn't it) and everyone promptly tries to kill any guy from the other team standing within 100 yards whether the ball's any where near or not. Sorry chaps, the bits between the adverts are OK and when I'm not confused as to which one's got the ball and which one's legging it with a spare head he happened to find on somebody's body. (???) Is it true that the score isn't goals, it's the body count? God, I feel better now, modelling is so stressful and frustrating. I'll now unscribe from this list and scribe to an American Football list to avoid the hate mail. Or sulk about the decals. Happy modelling, Geoff ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 14:45:01 -0700 From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: Cross Modeling: Another Out-Of-The-Closet Message-ID: <199704302145.AA22922@ednet1.orednet.org> Patrick wrote: >Okay, in the spirit of sharing and honesty and enlightenment, I, too, have >a confession to make: I also model WWII a/c. -snips- > Anyway, there it is. I still model wwi, its still my first love, but. . >.I feel better for having made a clean breast of it. I hope you can accept >me as I am. It's OK, Patrick. Like the Catholic Church, we are forgiving of any number of sins as long as you make confession and return to the One True Faith. Oh, we may require an act of penitence like building a Glencoe Albatros but you'll be the stronger for it in the long run. Actually, we are a small enough church that if we start tossing folks out for occassional minor acts of apostasy, pretty soon there'll be no one left. In fact, like the Buddhists, we pretty much allow our folks to embrace any number of faiths, so long as at least one of 'em is ours. Cheers and all, -- - Bill Shatzer bshatzer@orednet.org - "This is the West, sir. When the legend becomes fact, print the legend." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 16:50:15 -0500 From: Bill Bacon To: wwi Subject: Re: Inspiration for Next Up Message-ID: <3367BE97.52EC@netjava.net> Geoff Smith wrote: > Geoff, If it will calm you down and keep you with us, I believe I can replace the ruined decals. All I need is you snail mail address. Chers, Bill B. wbacon@netjava.net > Yo bros, > > As Kevin said, there's a lot of choice, especially for a newbie. I mean > after the Dr.I, I've got a D.VIII and a Sopwith Baby to throw together but > then I'm going to be really stuck. I get my inspiration from she who runs > the bank account and what I'd really like to see is the cheque book and > piece of plastic that she keeps walled up in the cellar that's guarded by > the SAS regiment's 5 resident Dobermanns. But I'd settle for a pair of > fuselage crosses for Jacobs' Dr.I at this moment since I've just written > BOTH mine off. Boy am I cheesed off or what? That's why I'm here writing to > you lot instead of sending it into a terminal velocity dive to the floor. > > Gerald P. MCOSKER tried to wind up everyone on this little island on the > east side of the Atlantic by writing: > > >April 27, 1997 > St. Columbas Cricket Club- 101 all out. > Yale University 72 all out > The match was distinguished in the 28th over by a leg side > ball bouncing into McOsker's left cheek whereupon he recoiled in pain > sending the ball down to > fine leg allowing St. Columba's to score another run. > [And you think scale modelling is strange?]< > > Actually, no, I think scale modelling is the product of an imaginative and > creative streak. It's relaxing and skilful, mostly, rather like cricket > unless you're actually playing when it can frequently be extremely painful > as you obviously found out. If you play and you think cricket is strange, > what do you think of a game where two teams of players face each other > dressed up in padding cos they're only 1/72 scale, one guy kicks a funny > shape ball (shaped like a testicle - well it would be wouldn't it) and > everyone promptly tries to kill any guy from the other team standing within > 100 yards whether the ball's any where near or not. Sorry chaps, the bits > between the adverts are OK and when I'm not confused as to which one's got > the ball and which one's legging it with a spare head he happened to find > on somebody's body. (???) Is it true that the score isn't goals, it's the > body count? > > God, I feel better now, modelling is so stressful and frustrating. I'll now > unscribe from this list and scribe to an American Football list to avoid > the hate mail. Or sulk about the decals. > > Happy modelling, > > Geoff ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 17:14:29 -0500 From: "Joseph Gentile" To: Subject: Re: Nieuport 17 cockpits Message-ID: <199704302216.RAA05496@Walden.MO.NET> > Inspired by > I am very gingerly trying to see if I am still up to working with models > small enough to lose between the cracks in the floorboards, or if I will > have to "bite the sour apple" as our Norwegian saying goes, and move up > into a scale where I can actually see what I'm building. > The references I have been able to get (thanks to the members of this > list who most gracefully supplied them), are somewhat lacking in detail > for the cockpit. The drawings I have give me a fair representation of > the seat, the levers and the spare drum(s?) on the left hand side of the > c'pit, but little about the instruments and the right hand side of the > cockpit. > Can anybody give me a little help with this bit? > I have enjoyed reading the jostling matches called the "Scale Wars", but > one reference escapes me. I can appreciate what M.Braille did for > mankind, but forgive an ignorant Norskie a question: Who is the bearer > of this Norwegian-sounding name Hustad? and what did he do to deserve > having a scale named after him? > > Tom Werner Hansen > (In unison and bowing as we pay hommage.....) we're not worthy, we're not worthy, we're not worthy! Please refer to the images of Mr. Hustad's work on Allan Wright's web page. He claims to builds in 1/72 though I tend to believe that it is a clever scheme of Matt's doing. I think that these images are actually retouched photographs, computer enhanced of course... Seriously though Steve Hustad is an extrodinary modeller and is very gracious with his advise. It's his fault that I stopped building Panzers. Joe ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 15:20:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Patrick Padovan To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Cross Modeling: Another Out-Of-The-Closet Message-ID: Dear Bill: Thanks, I feel better! Mea ulpa, and all that! Regards, Patrick ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Patrick Padovan Interlibrary Loan Associate Timberland Regional Library Voice: 360-943-5001 415 Airdustrial Way SW FAX: 360-586-6838 Olympia, WA 98501-5799 e-mail: ppadovan@timberland.lib.wa.us ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 18:24:32 -0400 From: Geoff Smith To: LIST Subject: Publications Message-ID: <199704301824_MC2-15BD-63C4@compuserve.com> To All, May I impose on your good will to ask: From a WWI a/c modelling point of view, which would be the best publication to subscribe to? Geoff. (poor & therefore choosy) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 08:35:49 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: WHAT I WANT (in an Albatrii) Message-ID: >Shane Weier wrote: >> Half way? Different fuselage, different wings. Maybe a little bit >> along, but not half way. OTOH, I agree, they will probably release one >> soonish, but maybe later than early 98 > Riordan asks: > >How different are the fuselages? D.I and D.II were biplanes, DIII was a sequiplane (half chord lower wing) so the length of the flat section where the wings attach was greater on the earlier planes, and the root fairings are much further apart. Having posted yesterday, I started to wonder whether this entire area on the Albatros kits might be made part of the wing rather than the fuselage (as is done on the Pfalz kit), in which case the variation is trivial, and we just need new wings. My comment regarding *when* still stands. If we see the D.III in first quarter 98, they'll keep the D.II (assuming one comes) at least six months to avoid diluting sales of both (Example, I'll buy three of each if they come 6 months apart, probably only one or two if they are released within two months - or my wife would kill me) Regards Shane ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 18:38:44 -0400 (EDT) From: DavidL1217@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Which way do you hang? Message-ID: <970430183841_674102493@emout01.mail.aol.com> My props do not predominantly dress to the right of the left. However, by in large, they all rest in either the 10 o'clock-4 position or the 2 o'clock -8 position. I must have something against props being horizontal or vertical. Interesting observation Dr. Freud, no can you tell me about your childhood.... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 08:40:09 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Boche Balloon Buster -- 30 April 1917, Muizon Message-ID: Bradley, >Any takers on identifying the German pilot who flamed four French sausages near Muizon (Rheims area) on this date in 1917? IIRC it's mentioned in Bloody April, Black September. My copy is at home so unless someone else comes in sooner, you get to wait until tomorrow (Brisbane, Australia, time) by when I should be able to answer - I hope Shane ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 18:42:26 -0400 From: Geoff Smith To: "INTERNET:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Inspiration for Next Up Message-ID: <199704301841_MC2-15B9-EADE@compuserve.com> Bill very, very, VERY kindly wrote, >Geoff, If it will calm you down and keep you with us, I believe I can replace the ruined decals. All I need is you snail mail address. Chers, Bill B.< Wow, you must be reading these posts online, I only posted fifteen minutes ago! I, my wife, daughters and especially the dog are very grateful. My address is: Geoff Smith 40 Hampden Avenue, Darwen, Lancs., BB3 2HB England BTW if you really are Chers, could you put in a good word for me please? TIA, Geoff ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 18:45:06 -0400 (EDT) From: DavidL1217@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Pegasus Br XIV B.2 review Message-ID: <970430184352_1521009415@emout09.mail.aol.com> The Bregeut sounds great. I am REAL PLEASED to see Chris getting away from that soft metal on the landing gear and struts. Give me contrail any day over that stuff. Pegasus interiors have never been that great. Scratch build the interior! The Blue Rider decal sheet fetured Leon. Was that the only Bregeut ever built. Think not. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 17:58:08 -0500 From: Kevin Wenker To: wwi Subject: Re: Rep : RE: Wood Finishes Message-ID: <3367CE80.56EF@interaccess.com> Fportier@aol.com wrote: > > This discussion reminds me of an experiment carried out by the Italian > sculptor Bernini in the 17th century. He asked a visiting English traveller > (Stone the Younger) to look at one of his pupils whose head had been covered > with flour (sneeze!) and see whether it looked convincing as a bust. The > answer was no. A marble bust is different and by use of relief and other > effects suggests depth, life, expression, etc. In other words and > paradoxically a marble bust looks more "real" than a man covered with white > flour. Or if you like our models are more realistic than the real thing. > Isn't that gratifying? > Francois I am now going to cover my SSW D III with flour and re-enter it in the next IPMS meet. You, Francois, will be my authority for this new camo scheme. A snow bunny scheme for the Russian steppes. Yaa-hoo!!! Kevin W. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 19:03:24 -0400 (EDT) From: DavidL1217@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: WHAT I WANT Message-ID: <970430190316_1555911453@emout10.mail.aol.com> If Chris would do a 1/48 th scale DII, it could shoot down the Blue Max DH2! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 19:05:03 EDT From: "Jim Lyzun" To: wwi Subject: Re: Comment on this list Message-ID: <19970430190503.0c5844b6.in@mail.baynet.net> >Jim, > > The server automaticly takes people off when mail to their account >bounces back to the list for more than a fixed number of messages (5 I think). >It does this to prevent the server from choking on bounced mail, it's a self >preservation tatic. I have no control over it. If your mailbox gets full, >your ISP goes down, etc. you'll get dropped. If I can help debug anyting from >this end let me know, if you'r mailbox isn't getting full talk to your ISP >(or system admin) aobut why your mail bounces. > >Thanks, sorry for the inconvience. >Al Hi Al, The problem, as I found just recently, was with my server and we have worked this out (I hope). I couldn't miss the chance to convey the irony. Jim Lyzun ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 19:06:14 -0400 (EDT) From: DavidL1217@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: WHAT I WANT: Pegasus Message-ID: <970430190525_-467308770@emout11.mail.aol.com> The Wings 72 Vac was also a copy off the same master! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 18:05:08 -0500 From: Kevin Wenker To: wwi Subject: Re: Cross Modeling: Another Out-Of-The-Closet Message-ID: <3367D024.405D@interaccess.com> Patrick Padovan wrote: > > Okay, in the spirit of sharing and honesty and enlightenment, I, too, have > a confession to make: Well, I'm certainly glad that the spirit of Ellem Degenerate has inspired so many of us to come clean. But, I stand adamant like Flint that the only things in my closet are a bunch of 1/48 WW 1 kits and one lone Pegasus 1/72 Albatros. In that regard I am a fundamentalist with nothing to reveal. Kevin W. I keep all my WW 2 airplane kits in the basement. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 18:07:14 -0500 From: Kevin Wenker To: wwi Subject: Re: Inspiration for Next Up Message-ID: <3367D0A2.C34@interaccess.com> Geoff Smith wrote: > > Yo bros, > > As Kevin said, there's a lot of choice, especially for a newbie. I mean > after the Dr.I, I've got a D.VIII and a Sopwith Baby to throw together but > then I'm going to be really stuck. I get my inspiration from she who runs > the bank account and what I'd really like to see is the cheque book and > piece of plastic that she keeps walled up in the cellar that's guarded by > the SAS regiment's 5 resident Dobermanns. But I'd settle for a pair of > fuselage crosses for Jacobs' Dr.I at this moment since I've just written > BOTH mine off. Boy am I cheesed off or what? That's why I'm here writing to > you lot instead of sending it into a terminal velocity dive to the floor. > > Gerald P. MCOSKER tried to wind up everyone on this little island on the > east side of the Atlantic by writing: > > >April 27, 1997 > St. Columbas Cricket Club- 101 all out. > Yale University 72 all out > The match was distinguished in the 28th over by a leg side > ball bouncing into McOsker's left cheek whereupon he recoiled in pain > sending the ball down to > fine leg allowing St. Columba's to score another run. > [And you think scale modelling is strange?]< > > Actually, no, I think scale modelling is the product of an imaginative and > creative streak. It's relaxing and skilful, mostly, rather like cricket > unless you're actually playing when it can frequently be extremely painful > as you obviously found out. If you play and you think cricket is strange, > what do you think of a game where two teams of players face each other > dressed up in padding cos they're only 1/72 scale, one guy kicks a funny > shape ball (shaped like a testicle - well it would be wouldn't it) and > everyone promptly tries to kill any guy from the other team standing within > 100 yards whether the ball's any where near or not. Sorry chaps, the bits > between the adverts are OK and when I'm not confused as to which one's got > the ball and which one's legging it with a spare head he happened to find > on somebody's body. (???) Is it true that the score isn't goals, it's the > body count? > > God, I feel better now, modelling is so stressful and frustrating. I'll now > unscribe from this list and scribe to an American Football list to avoid > the hate mail. Or sulk about the decals. > > Happy modelling, > > Geoff Spoken like a true Englishman - no one understands what he said. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 19:12:09 -0400 (EDT) From: DavidL1217@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: WHAT I WANT Message-ID: <970430191159_-1267040214@emout10.mail.aol.com> How about an accurate WWI aviation flick. With the new computer film technology, (ie Titanic), we can now do a WWI film with accurate aircraft. Imagine a Richthofen movie with accurate DIIs, DIIIs, DVs etec. Build a few cockpits and let the computers do the rest! Maybe Peter Kilduff could write the script! Lucas can shoot the film using young college aged actors. Lucas would probably want to sell WWI pilot action figures and airplanes, get 6 years addicted and perpetuate our hobby. Hmmmmm.... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 09:34:59 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Inspiration for Next Up Message-ID: >Kevin, > >>Geoff Smith wrote: >> (snip) rather a lot actually >>> >>> Geoff > >>Spoken like a true Englishman - no one understands what he said. Oh *I* did, but I'm an Aussie, and therefore tri-lingual, I speak English, American, and Strine. Oh, and I can almost understand my New Zealander in-laws Shane ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 19:59:22 -0400 (AST) From: Alberto Rada To: wwi Subject: RAF FE.2b Message-ID: <199704302359.TAA07245@fw.true.net> Hi Carlos I am sorry for not answering earlier, we had our main annual contest=20 and I was part of the organizing committee, its lots of work involved,=20 for the general information, this year we had a separate section for=20 aeroplanes between 1904 and 1935 divided in 1/72 and 1/48 and bigger.=20 With a total of 12 entries, last year we had only 6 models with these=20 characteristics. In the 1/48 + Jasta, first price went to a beautifully finished=20 1/32 1932 Wedell Williams and 2 arrived my 1/48 Albatros D.V. in the colors= =20 of Jasta 37 Lt. Hans Waldhausen. OK now the FE2b: The kit includes plastic, white metal parts, transfers, a vacuum formed jig,= =20 some sort of instructions on the building procedures, a 3 way drawings plan= =20 and a black and white peeling sticker to decorate your car's rear window ? Parts are very well done with good detail and almost no cleaning up needed= =20 all in the normal high Aeroclub standard. Once you have everything sprawled in your working table, you are sure you=20 made a mistake and bought a mekano, but no, that's a FE2b, it does look=20 worse once finished. Construction is fairly simple, every thing matches pretty well, some putty= is=20 necessary in the wings, and I highly recommend at this point to build a base= =20 the correct elevation at the tips, as otherwise is impossible to obtain the= =20 correct dihedral. Rigging, well now, this is the part that separates kids from men, this is really=20 an incredible job, besides all the wires you need for the wings and undercarriage,=20 there are those necessary for the tail boom and planes, and if this is not enough=20 all the control cables are external in all their course. Good News: All parts fit very well, no flash whatsoever, good decals, very good metal parts in=20 general, the jig makes building the Tail Boom a very simple task Bad News: I have always wandered why manufacturers don't buy an Eduard kit and learn= =20 how to make instructions, it's nice for a kit to be a challenge, but that doesn't=20 mean to make the instructions cryptic, in a section titled Painting, the only thing=20 they say is go and buy Datafile No. 18 ( out of print now for ages ). The nacelle is rather thickish and needs lots of thinning down, remember that both=20 sides are supposed to be partially fabric, and this section is fully exposed, the pilot's=20 seat is also too thick for my liking and the control panel also looks a bit simple. Suggestions: =B7 Find the Datafile, it's indispensable for finishing this plane. =B7 Follow the Datafile carefully for the rigging, not only on the 3 view drawings, but also=20 on the photographs, as it will take some time to discover all of them. =B7 You will need to scratch build some interior detail, but this is simply done and it will=20 certainly enhance the pilot and gunner sections that are exposed and easily viewed. =B7 You need to scratch build 10 pulleys, this is simply done with sheet styrene and=20 Waldron's punch & die set, of these two are for the Aileron control cables, two for the=20 Aileron return cables, two at the upper top wing for the elevator control cables, two for=20 the top boom, also for the elevator control cables, and finally two above the lower wing=20 for the rudder control cable. =B7 For rigging I strongly suggest, nylon mono-filament, this with a bit of syanoacrilate=20 will do a perfect job, any thing else will be very complicated, as because of the structure=20 of the plane, you can easily loosen any cable while strengthening other, while with nylon,=20 you can stretch it a bit and have it firmly placed with cyano, and it will stay that way.=20 You can easily paint it with chrome silver, and top it with a very thin coat of gun metal=20 for cable look. =B7 The front wheel is white metal and looks rather artificial, so it will look better if you=20 change it with a similar thing found in the spare parts box. Epilogue: This ugly contraption is really the most beautiful kit I have on my shelve, it's really=20 spectacular and overall you have to see the startle and envy look of the fockingwolf=20 builders when they see it. Carlos, if you haven't got it buy it and if you do build it, I am sure it will became one=20 of your utmost prides. That's my 2 pesos SALUDOS ALBERTO =20 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 20:29:43 -0400 (AST) From: Alberto Rada To: wwi Subject: RE: Inspiration for Next Up Message-ID: <199705010029.UAA08761@fw.true.net> dont forget my spanglish SALUDOS ALBERTO At 07:41 PM 30-04-97 -0400, you wrote: >>Kevin, >> >>>Geoff Smith wrote: >>> (snip) > > rather a lot actually > >>>> >>>> Geoff >> >>>Spoken like a true Englishman - no one understands what he said. > >Oh *I* did, but I'm an Aussie, and therefore tri-lingual, I speak >English, American, and Strine. Oh, and I can almost understand my New >Zealander in-laws > >Shane > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 17:45:37 -0700 From: Michelle and Rory Goodwin To: wwi Subject: Re: WHAT I WANT: Pegasus Message-ID: <3367E7B1.2728@ricochet.net> Charles Hart wrote: > > >> > >> >Greetings, all. Kevin: what about the Pegasus D.III, fairly recent, and > >> >the Pegasus Salmson? The Salmson is a couple of years old, and may be kind > >> >of hard to locate, but it ain't bad, IMHO. But maybe these don't qualify > >> >as reasonably priced? They seem to be a little cheaper if you get them > >> >directly from C. Gannon in the U.K. Perhaps you're familiar with these, > >> >and find them lacking? > >> > Regards, Patrick > >> > > >> > >> Pegasus Salmson was mastered from a Czech resin. For the truly > >> desperate you can still get this as a resin from Aviation USK, though it > >> might take 6 months. > >> > >> Charles > >> > >> hartc@spot.colorado.edu > >Is the Pegasus kit now out of production? I keep assuming kits listed in > >catalogs are still in print, although I know better. I've seen it for as > >little as $20 and as much as $32 retail. I may have to get one, although > >I shudder at the thought of rigging it. > > > >Riordan (another cross-modeler out of the closet) > > > > The impression I have is that Pegasus basically makes up one batch of > each kit they release (their SSW D-III might be an exception). The kits > are in stock till they sell out. I seem to remember that the Salmson hung > around for a long time (as did their Curtiss Jenny) but both eventually > sold out. The price of $32.00 for an old Pegasus kit is excessive. Its > almost cheaper to seek out a Czech resin if you really want one. Many > Pegasus kits owe their origin to Czech resins, among them the Pfalz D-III, > SSW D-III, Bristol M1C and Breguet 14 to name a few that I have examples of > both for. I am sure that there are others. > > Charles > > hartc@spot.colorado.edu I've seen at a couple of local robbery shops, one of which has great selection but they're chiseling to pay for mall space (I'm willing to give them the BOTD.) I'll say 32 clams is excessive! They also have a lot of Merlin junk, including a 1/48 Salmson for $23. Any opinions on this kit? Riordan -- Shelley and Riordan Goodwin Visit our websites: Riordan's Wings of Revolution: http://www.serve.com/rgoodwin Shelley's Jewelry Gifts: http://www.silkroadjewels.com ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 520 *********************