WWI Digest 517 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) RE: Wood Finishes by Shane Weier 2) Re: Comment on this list by Bill Bacon 3) Re: Wood Finishes by "Joseph Gentile" 4) Re: Wood Finishes by Bill Bacon 5) Re: WHAT I WANT by barrett@iplink.net (barrett) 6) RE: Wood Finishes by Shane Weier 7) Re: WHAT I WANT by mbittner@juno.com 8) Re: On meeting listmembers by mbittner@juno.com 9) Re: WHAT I WANT by Kevin Wenker 10) Re: IPMS Regional's this weekend 5/3 by DavidL1217@aol.com 11) Re: PEGASUS BREGUET 14 by DavidL1217@aol.com 12) Re: Wood Finishes by Kevin Wenker 13) French Aircraft of the First World War by DavidL1217@aol.com 14) Re: WHAT I WANT by DavidL1217@aol.com 15) FW: Fokker D.VIII wings by Shane Weier 16) Re: Blue Max Special at Squadron! by bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 17) Re: WHAT I WANT by bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 18) Which way do you hang? by vprice@world.net (Vincent Price) 19) RE: WHAT I WANT by Shane Weier 20) Re: WHAT I WANT by Carlos Valdes 21) Re: Which way do you hang? by mbittner@juno.com 22) Re: Which way do you hang? by bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 23) Inspiration for Next Up by bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 24) any messages? by "Valenciano . Jose" 25) Pegasus Br XIV B.2 review by mnelson@compusmart.ab.ca (Mark K. Nelson) 26) test, don't read by "Valenciano . Jose" 27) Re: ****ing list by mnelson@compusmart.ab.ca (Mark K. Nelson) 28) Dragon Update by mnelson@compusmart.ab.ca (Mark K. Nelson) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 08:19:19 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Wood Finishes Message-ID: Bill says, > >Not to rock the boat but, in damned near any scale that we build, I >find >>that panel lines and wood grain however small are huge. If we hold the >>model at eye level and at arms length, it is the same as looking at the >>real thing 72/48/32/28 feet away. Even when these tired eyes were 20/20 >I couldn't pick out wood grain at that distance > Well, true so far as it goes, BUT.... I'm sitting at work looking about 20 metres down a corridor at a polished wood cabinet. As you note, I have no hope whatever of distinguishing the grain. But it sure looks like wood grain to me anyway. What I'm seeing - and what I want to depict in a model - is the variations in tone caused by the various layers in the wood, the "rings" if you like, rather than the fine wood grain. It still needs to be subtle, and I've never seen any "wood" decal that looks like anything other than "wood decal". Best bet is paint a base wood colour, then vary the tones by any one of about a dozen techniques, shooting for a range of tones. >>Getting back to wood grain and panel lines, Got any pictures of the >>full a/c that you can see either on? In part this misses the point. If you built *any* model and attempted to portray it 100% accurately so much of it would be too fine to support itself that the entire thing would collapse. And leaving panelling out because you wouldn't see it at a distance fools no-one - since the brain *knows* that aircraft have panel lines and models without them look like toys. (you needn't be a modeller to make this distinction either) In part it's also untrue. I have photos which show both. But NOT clearly, and NOT as hard lines either. The art of modelling is subtlety, inferring such things without overdoing it in the ugly unconvincing manner of wood decals and *flat* bulged tyres. Just my A$10 worth (about 2cents in anyone else money) Shane ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 17:23:38 -0500 From: Bill Bacon To: wwi Subject: Re: Comment on this list Message-ID: <336674EA.267@netjava.net> Jim Lyzun wrote: > > >> > > please take me off this listplease take me off this listplease take > me off > > Talk about luck! In the last two weeks I've been unsubscribed twice without > even trying. Or has that been a subtle hint? > Jim Lyzun Jim, no! I won't touch this one Bill ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 18:03:02 -0500 From: "Joseph Gentile" To: Subject: Re: Wood Finishes Message-ID: <199704292304.SAA23299@Walden.MO.NET> It seems that every three months or so there is a request regarding wood finishes and it never fails to amaze me that a new technique/idea is shared. I wonder if there is a conspiracy... The latest Windsock has an Albatros Dr.I on the cover finished with the wood grain decals. While the builder is obviously very talented it does seem to me to be grossly out of scale. It does however, give one a good idea of how this medium will be portrayed in 1/48. "... Ideal did all the WW1 planes, Fokker, Albatros, Pfalz, Camel, Spad, Nieuport. The also did what we would now call "golden age". Remember "golden age" was state of the art back then. Right after the war, Hawk did a series of WW1 a/c in 1/48 balsa. The boxs were red and white checkered as I remember." These were the kits that my dad built and I remember him telling me stories about what "real" models were all about. I also recall a very recent discussion where he recalls the then ( 1940's) "English" kits as being state of the art and very much in demand and high in price. Thank you for the fond memory. Joe ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 18:04:51 -0500 From: Bill Bacon To: wwi Subject: Re: Wood Finishes Message-ID: <33667E93.769D@netjava.net> Shane Weier wrote: > > Bill says, > > > >Not to rock the boat but, in damned near any scale that we build, I > >find > >>that panel lines and wood grain however small are huge. If we hold the > >>model at eye level and at arms length, it is the same as looking at the > >>real thing 72/48/32/28 feet away. Even when these tired eyes were 20/20 > >I couldn't pick out wood grain at that distance > > > Well, true so far as it goes, BUT.... > > I'm sitting at work looking about 20 metres down a corridor at a > polished wood cabinet. As you note, I have no hope whatever of > distinguishing the grain. But it sure looks like wood grain to me > anyway. What I'm seeing - and what I want to depict in a model - is the > variations in tone caused by the various layers in the wood, the "rings" > if you like, rather than the fine wood grain. > > It still needs to be subtle, and I've never seen any "wood" decal that > looks like anything other than "wood decal". Best bet is paint a base > wood colour, then vary the tones by any one of about a dozen techniques, > shooting for a range of tones. > > >>Getting back to wood grain and panel lines, Got any pictures of the > >>full a/c that you can see either on? > > In part this misses the point. If you built *any* model and attempted to > portray it 100% accurately so much of it would be too fine to support > itself that the entire thing would collapse. And leaving panelling out > because you wouldn't see it at a distance fools no-one - since the brain > *knows* that aircraft have panel lines and models without them look like > toys. (you needn't be a modeller to make this distinction either) > > In part it's also untrue. I have photos which show both. But NOT > clearly, and NOT as hard lines either. The art of modelling is subtlety, > inferring such things without overdoing it in the ugly unconvincing > manner of wood decals and *flat* bulged tyres. > > Just my A$10 worth (about 2cents in anyone else money) > > Shane Shane, Your points are very well taken. I agree with you wholeheartedly. How subtle do you consider the panel lines on todays kits. My point, I guess is that sometimes we do too much and then judges expect more. Someone adds something (bulged tires are a fine example) and then right or wrong the bandwaggon loads up. Of course, modelling is different for each of us and inport from all can do nothing but expand our horizons. Sometime I talk too much. Cheers, Bill ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 19:32:36 -0500 From: barrett@iplink.net (barrett) To: wwi Subject: Re: WHAT I WANT Message-ID: Heck, I'd just be happy with an in-production, reasonably-priced SE5a or Albatros DIII. 1/72, of course. Actually, an FE8, AWFK8, Spad XI, and/or Salmonson 2A2 would be even better, but I'm just dreaming. Kevin B. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 09:25:55 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Wood Finishes Message-ID: Bill follows up > >>Your points are very well taken. I agree with you wholeheartedly. How >>subtle do you consider the panel lines on todays kits. FWIW, the ones currenty considered "best" (Tamiya) seem overdone, too deep by far. However that's apparently the "approved IPMS fashion". Personally I prefer others who engrave the lines sharply, but not so damn deeply. >>My point, I >>guess is that sometimes we do too much and then judges expect more. >>Someone adds something (bulged tires are a fine example) and then right >>or wrong the bandwaggon loads up. Of course, modelling is different for >>each of us and inport from all can do nothing but expand our horizons. Bandwagon effect. A good concept. My modelling tends to subtlety , which maybe wins me less prizes but satisfies ME, and that is the point of a hobby eh? >>Sometime I talk too much. And sometimes just the right amount Regards Shane ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 19:31:24 -0500 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: WHAT I WANT Message-ID: <19970429.193826.14270.2.mbittner@juno.com> On Tue, 29 Apr 1997 16:15:57 -0400 Patrick Padovan writes: I think all of us on this list can echo your statement, Patrick, in any scale. FWIW, the best current 1/72nd D.I/D.II is the Classic Plane vac. Matt mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 19:24:22 -0500 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: On meeting listmembers Message-ID: <19970429.193826.14270.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Tue, 29 Apr 1997 08:14:17 -0400 GRBroman@aol.com writes: > Ah, Alberto, A true believer :) Emhar has a number of WW I tanks > in 1/35. The Mark IV male and female and the Tadpole. The > Tadpole is a real "mother" (pun intended) to put together and I > can post or send a review if you like. It does look cool when > done though. Emhar also makes a Whippet, which I have not yet > built. Tauro makes an A7V with interior and an Italian copy of > the Renault FT-17, although it was post-war and only shares a > general appearance with the Renault. MB Models also had a resin > Mark IV. I think Azimut make a resin FT-17, there are a few out > there in resinville from other manufactureres, but thats all I > can think of right now. HTH, Glen I wouldn't necessarily say a true believer, but anyway... I believe either Accurate Armor or Combat Models did (does?) a resin Whippet in 1/35th. One of our armor modelers built it, and is taking a number of awards with it (for whatever that's worth). For those who don't know, there are three armor modelers in this area whose work is utterly fantastic. The first is from our club who built the Whippet. Not only builds 1/35th, but Hustad Scale as well. The second person is from IPMS/Des Moines, and his work is exceptional. The third is also from IPMS/Des Moines, and he only builds small scale (as an idea, he used one of those expensive Paasche airbrushes on a 1/72nd Hetzer to produce "sprayed on" lines - amazing!). Sorry to rant, but you will see the Des Moines armor builders stuff in St. Louis this year. Wonderful stuff! Matt mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 19:41:46 -0500 From: Kevin Wenker To: wwi Subject: Re: WHAT I WANT Message-ID: <3366954A.7EB6@interaccess.com> Patrick Padovan wrote: > > Greetings, all. Here's what I want: an Albatros D.I/D.II kit, injection > molded, w/ photoetched, resin, and/or metal details (guns, engine, etc.) > and a decent set of decals. I would like this in 48, would love it in 72. > If anyone has any influence w/ model makers, please pass this on? I > recall somebody (sorry, I forget who it was) saying they recently had > dinner with the president of Eduard. This kit would make a lot of sense, > for the following reasons: > 1. One kit, with alternate struts and radiators, could be built as 3 > different a/c: D.I, early D.II, late D.II. People like me would HAVE to > buy at least 3! > 2. Significant a/c, flown by major German fliegers, as you all know > (Boelke, Richthofen, Baumer spring to mind.) > 3. Not much competition, as the only other kits are either hard to get > (resins) or just bad (Meikraft.) > 4. I really, really want it! > Some might say, "This'll never happen." But in view of the stuff > Eduard and Blue Max/ Pegasus have been producing (and this would be > perfect for either of them), I refuse to give up hope. > Thanks for listening. What's number 1 on your wish lists? (Besides > Gotha?) > Regards, Patrick > Padovan > P.S. I'm pretty ignorant about wwi armour: what's a "Mother"? Maybe one > of the armour experts could explain? > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------> Patrick Padovan > Interlibrary Loan Associate > > Timberland Regional Library Voice: 360-943-5001 > 415 Airdustrial Way SW FAX: 360-586-6838 > Olympia, WA 98501-5799 e-mail: ppadovan@timberland.lib.wa.us > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ A RAELLY good SE5a or a Brisfit. In that order. The former is my favorite plane of the era; the latter cause it was very good and has been ver ignored. Kevin W. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 20:44:52 -0400 (EDT) From: DavidL1217@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: IPMS Regional's this weekend 5/3 Message-ID: <970429204337_1520904522@emout07.mail.aol.com> I will be there Friday evening. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 20:46:11 -0400 (EDT) From: DavidL1217@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: PEGASUS BREGUET 14 Message-ID: <970429204517_873923970@emout16.mail.aol.com> Is the Bregeut a "B.2" or an "A2"? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 19:48:31 -0500 From: Kevin Wenker To: wwi Subject: Re: Wood Finishes Message-ID: <336696DF.6992@interaccess.com> Shane Weier wrote: > > Bill says, > > > >Not to rock the boat but, in damned near any scale that we build, I > >find > >>that panel lines and wood grain however small are huge. If we hold the > >>model at eye level and at arms length, it is the same as looking at the > >>real thing 72/48/32/28 feet away. Even when these tired eyes were 20/20 > >I couldn't pick out wood grain at that distance > > > Well, true so far as it goes, BUT.... > > I'm sitting at work looking about 20 metres down a corridor at a > polished wood cabinet. As you note, I have no hope whatever of > distinguishing the grain. But it sure looks like wood grain to me > anyway. What I'm seeing - and what I want to depict in a model - is the > variations in tone caused by the various layers in the wood, the "rings" > if you like, rather than the fine wood grain. > > It still needs to be subtle, and I've never seen any "wood" decal that > looks like anything other than "wood decal". Best bet is paint a base > wood colour, then vary the tones by any one of about a dozen techniques, > shooting for a range of tones. > > >>Getting back to wood grain and panel lines, Got any pictures of the > >>full a/c that you can see either on? > > In part this misses the point. If you built *any* model and attempted to > portray it 100% accurately so much of it would be too fine to support > itself that the entire thing would collapse. And leaving panelling out > because you wouldn't see it at a distance fools no-one - since the brain > *knows* that aircraft have panel lines and models without them look like > toys. (you needn't be a modeller to make this distinction either) > > In part it's also untrue. I have photos which show both. But NOT > clearly, and NOT as hard lines either. The art of modelling is subtlety, > inferring such things without overdoing it in the ugly unconvincing > manner of wood decals and *flat* bulged tyres. > > Just my A$10 worth (about 2cents in anyone else money) > > Shane I used wood decals on my DIII. But, and a big butt, what I first did was to "bleach" the decal with denatured alcohol. It took out the coarser grain and blended the rest to give real ggod tonal variations. It also thinned the decal to the point that it laid down just like paint. I thought it came out very good. Wanted to try it. Now, my opinion is probably biased, but Bill and Glen saw it at the Region VI show and neither one thoght it was a decal (actually decal panels lovingly peiced together). I'll probably go back to the paint method, though as it was a lot of work to cut and piece. Kevin W. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 20:51:22 -0400 (EDT) From: DavidL1217@aol.com To: wwi Subject: French Aircraft of the First World War Message-ID: <970429204925_314121171@emout18.mail.aol.com> My copy of French Aircraft came today and I believe that the UPS guy will be filing a comp claim for his back. On first look, this is an excellent work covering all 400 aircraft types. I can't wait to start reading it. c.r. Richthofen, the Legend Evaluated by Bickers. Reads fast, thankfully. It has a lot of hoary chestmeuts in it and the author makes some quick judgements and suppositions based largely on stereotype and prejudice. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 20:54:57 -0400 (EDT) From: DavidL1217@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: WHAT I WANT Message-ID: <970429205249_1488696530@emout08.mail.aol.com> In conversation awhile back, with Chris Gannon (Pegasus), I got the idea that the DI/DII was in the pipeline. If Eduard is doing a DIII, they are halfway to giving us a DII. I bet we will see that as early as next year. Now, anybody with connections to DML? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 11:00:29 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi'" Subject: FW: Fokker D.VIII wings Message-ID: Hi all, I'm posting this a second time because the first one hasn't bounced to me yet - and post sent before and after have. Apologies if you've >already seen it. > >I posted: > >>By way of reference (for those of you with Datafile #25 handy), the >>photograph at the top of page 11, which is the kit decal option, shows >>what I mean in the brightly lit reflection above the cockpit. Better (or >>worse if you like smooth wings) photos are at the foot of page 11 and on >>practically every other page. Oh, and the reflections reveal a *very* >>glossy surface > >Then Bill Shatzer wades in with > >>Well, to wade into a subject I know little of and have researched >>less, was not the Fokker D.VIII wing plywood covered (despite the >>illustration on the top of the DML box)? > >Yes, plywood stressed skin. > >>If I'm remembering this correctly, a basically smooth wing surface >>would be correct. > >Just what I thought before looking at the references. > >>I don't have the D.VIII datafile but I do have >>another book with what I think is the same photo in it and I >>see the "wavey" effect to the reflection on the undersurface of >>the wing which you refer to. Yet, I wonder if this effect >>really represents an "almighty patchwork of ridges and depressions"? > >You need to see a few more photographs, some closer up. Yes, there seems to >be a fairly deep depressions all over. What "fairly deep" means is open to >interpretation, of which more anon. > >Sandy weighs in with: > >>I have no doubts that the aircraft leaving the factory would have >>beautiful smooth finishes and if you wish to model a DVIII at this stage >>in its career - or immediately on arrival, assignment and personal marking >>on the airfield - I would suggest as smooth as the baby's bum is correct. > >I'm not so certain. Every shot of an E.V/D.VIII which shown the undersurface >of the wing with any amount of light shows the effect, even aircraft with >little or no other weathering effects. Even factory photos, and even the >prototype shots. > >>However, if you have ever left a piece of plywood covered furniture, or an >>old tea-chest outside for a few weeks, you will know what happens to it: >>it warps and distorts and blisters. > >Remember we are talking about ply about 1mm thick, not the stuff used to make >furniture or boats. I have to doubt whetehr it would need *any* time outdoors >to buckle. Imagine it being glued to the underlying structure under tension, >then doped (*non* shrinking dope natch). I'd imagine that such thin ply would >warp at last a little just by taking up the paint unevenly, regardless of the >tradesmans skill. > >>thus, my suggestion would be either model it smooth and glossy with fairly >>bright colours, or model it wrinkly and semi-matt with dull colours (Sorry >>Matt!). > >Cool, except that the wrinkled skin is also very glossy. And I can't even >*find* a photo without the effect. > >Brian has a go: > >>I think we'll be getting a message from you just after this >>competition complaining the judges penalised you for you're rough >>finish on the wing :-) > >That's why I posted - someone else to blame ;-) > >>I saw an article in FSM a couple (?) of years back on representing >>stressed skins on jets (you know what they are don't you > >VERY reminiscent of this only more pronounced. And it *was* a stressed skin >structure, so that makes sense. > >>Remember to document it for the contest. > >Better believe it. Model will be accompanied by the datafile and a big sign >saying "LOOK AT THE PICTURES DUMMY" > >Charles gets a word in too: > >> Well, when reduced to 1/48 this is going to be a very subtle surface >>phonomena. > >Agreed. Even if they are 5mm deep (and certainly look it) the effect is going >to be that of a coat of paint > >>Perhaps the best way to replicate it would be to cut out some >>decal film in the pattern of the wrinkles in the wing surface and apply it >>to a primered wing then put a couple of moderate to heavy coats of final >>green color over it. The color will be more or less uniform 'till you >>weather it with pastels, paints etc, but you will have a three dimensional >>aspect to the surface of the wing. > >I tossed about the merits of this method, and of using several layers of >paint between masks with the intent of *deliberately* building paint up on >the edge of tape and came up with the following technique. Whatever happens >it HAS to be visible, but subtle. > >I have covered the underside of the wing (so far) with tiny pieces of card >held around 1mm above the surface by dots of "blutack" (removable adhesive >putty). Only took three hours too (idiot) > >Next the wing gets a *light* coat of spray putty (Gunze surfacer) and a light >sanding with 1200 grit before a coat of Fokker Green and some weathering >(pastels, probably) > >Experiment on scrap showed the right sort of subtle effect, at the cost of >time. I'll let everyone know how it turns out - eventually. > >Regards > >Shane >PS: (Geoff, the pilot is so stressed he's sitting in die Krapper, so I won't >bother modelling him. Ground equipment is Matts area) > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 21:15:45 -0400 From: bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Blue Max Special at Squadron! Message-ID: <199704300115.VAA21459@pease1.sr.unh.edu> At 01:25 PM 4/29/97 -0400, Charles A. Duckworth wrote: >Does anyone have a telephone listing for Squadron FaX: 972-242-3775 PHONE: 214-242-8663(8:30-5:30mCST M-F) Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 21:15:46 -0400 From: bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: WHAT I WANT Message-ID: <199704300115.VAA21460@pease1.sr.unh.edu> At 04:17 PM 4/29/97 -0400, Patrick Padovan wrote: >Greetings, all. Here's what I want: an Albatros D.I/D.II kit, injection >molded, w/ photoetched, resin, and/or metal details (guns, engine, etc.) >and a decent set of decals. I would like this in 48, would love it in 72. Patrick I picked up a Tom's Model works D-II at a flea market not too long ago for $20.00 It's 1/48 and the decals are ok. I don't know whether it is super accurate or not, but then again I don't care too much in light of the paucity of kits of this plane. I agree with you. Once the Hanriot comes out from Eduard, it's #1 on my list. Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 11:32:14 +1000 (EST) From: vprice@world.net (Vincent Price) To: wwi Subject: Which way do you hang? Message-ID: <199704300132.LAA29446@world.net> Looking through my cabinet of finished models (as opposed to my warehouse of unfinished!) I noticed something curious - all of the props are angled the same way, bottom left to top right! This has shaken my self image of a free thinking flexible kind of guy - sort of like a P. J. O'Rourke but more relaxed - and replaced it with a Felix Unger. Do others share my unconscious need for symmetry? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- GroupWare Internet: vprice@sydney2.world.net Level 12, Phone: +61 3 9606 0607 469 La Trobe Street Fax: +61 3 9606 0604 Melbourne, Vic., 3000 Mobile: +61 041 534 2166 AUSTRALIA ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 11:40:31 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: WHAT I WANT Message-ID: Hi David, You muse >If Eduard is doing a DIII, they are halfway to giving us a DII. I bet we will see that as early as next year. Half way? Different fuselage, different wings. Maybe a little bit along, but not half way. OTOH, I agree, they will probably release one soonish, but maybe later than early 98 Regards Shane ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 21:42:34 -0400 From: Carlos Valdes To: wwi Subject: Re: WHAT I WANT Message-ID: <3366A38A.665@conted.gatech.edu> David wrote: > In conversation awhile back, with Chris Gannon (Pegasus), I got the idea that > the DI/DII was in the pipeline. If Eduard is doing a DIII, they are halfway > to giving us a DII. I bet we will see that as early as next year. My thoughts exactly. It make ssense (at least in my twisted modeling mind) for Pegasus to continue with its Albatros series, and the same should go for Eduard. And let's not forget Blue Max . . . > Now, anybody with connections to DML? The way things look, I don't think connections to DML would help much as far as our WWI interests go, unfortunately. Too bad, as we're talking about some very, very nice plastic kits here that apparently don't require a grandmaster to be built properly. Carlos ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 21:02:37 -0500 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Which way do you hang? Message-ID: <19970429.210240.20302.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Tue, 29 Apr 1997 21:49:03 -0400 vprice@world.net (Vincent Price) writes: > Looking through my cabinet of finished models (as opposed to my > warehouse of unfinished!) I noticed something curious - all of > the props are angled the same way, bottom left to top right! > This has shaken my self image of a free thinking flexible kind > of guy - sort of like a P. J. O'Rourke but more relaxed - and > replaced it with a Felix Unger. Do others share my unconscious > need for symmetry? I try not to think about it. I do have a couple that are close to symmetrical, but none are 100% so. I guess I'm not that anal. ;-) (Hugh joke, for those humorly impaired...) Matt mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 22:12:18 -0400 From: bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Which way do you hang? Message-ID: <199704300212.WAA21818@pease1.sr.unh.edu> At 09:49 PM 4/29/97 -0400, Vincent Price wrote: >Looking through my cabinet of finished models (as opposed to my warehouse of >unfinished!) I noticed something curious - all of the props are angled the >same way, bottom left to top right! This has shaken my self image of a free >thinking flexible kind of guy - sort of like a P. J. O'Rourke but more >relaxed - and replaced it with a Felix Unger. Do >others share my unconscious need for symmetry? Neat observation...maybe too neat. I've found that mine always look better at that angle or the reverse. I just looked over my cabinet and found some that are straight up or straight accross...those at an angle just look better. By the way, the same is true for 4-bladed props. None of that stsraight up and down stuff! Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 22:21:05 -0400 From: bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Inspiration for Next Up Message-ID: <199704300221.WAA21885@pease1.sr.unh.edu> Hopefully a new thread I've wondered what it is that prompts us to pick out what model we're going to build next. There will be days that go by before I decide what to do next, only to change my mind before I get started. I've found that the one thing that most consistently gets me started is to find some new decals. That usually gets me hooked. How about the rest of you guys? Mike Muth NB: 41st Aero Sq. Camel(1st time using ceramic wire) NL: Still hooked on Paula Cole NU: Maybe a Polish plane in 1/72 to keep Matt and Riordan happy! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 10:51:06 +0800 (GMT+0800) From: "Valenciano . Jose" To: wwi Subject: any messages? Message-ID: Hi all, The server's been acting up again lately and I seemed to have been unsubscribed again. Any way I've just resubscribe and: Anyone have any personal messages for me? ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 21:23:14 -0600 From: mnelson@compusmart.ab.ca (Mark K. Nelson) To: wwi Subject: Pegasus Br XIV B.2 review Message-ID: Tuesday April 29, 1997 NOTE: I have not yet built this yet, so this is simply a commentary on accuracy and contents & features. . . ****************** Pegasus 1/72 Injected Breguet XIV B.2: =46inally, a quality Breguet kit, Injected in 1/72 scale with French marking= s. The kit's contents include 3 sprues of grey plastic injected parts, decals, cast (pewter?) metal bits, strut stock, and instructions. The plastic parts include the fuselage halves, upper and lower wings as left and right halves (upper also has a minute center section), vertical and horizontal tails, airscrew, wheels, landing gear spreader, exhaust manifold, bulkhead, instrument panel, and cockpit floor; cast metal parts include the seats, Vickers and 2 Lewis guns, scarff ring, radiator, tailskid, landing gear struts, and control stick (no bombs!); decals are for 1 French aircraft: Clear-doped No. 1223 ("Leon" or "L=E9on" if your computer is up to displayin= g the accent over the e.). The plastic parts have some very fine detail - be careful while sanding - with subtle rib tapes on the wings and tail, and light stitching on the fuselage. For the most part detail is up to other recent releases from Pegasus, although there is a bit more chunky flash than has been typical of recent kits. The fuselage is molded in left and right halves with good representation of the fuselage stringers and engine louvres. The fuselage windows are marked on the sides but must be cut away if you desire the see-through look. Interior details includes a plastic floor, metal stick, plain seat, rear bulkhead, and an instrument panel with decal bezel faces - there is no side detail. There is no engine, just a propeller, exhaust manifold and radiator. The lower wings are molded with the flaps up - a relatively simple operation to lower them though - just remember to add all the bungies! All cabane and interplane struts must be cut (templates on the instruction sheet) from the contrail strut material provided (4 x cabane, 8 x interplane.) The less said about thoughts of rigging this plane the better. Missing in action: bombs! (why is it that only old Airfix kits have bombs?) The instructions are step by step text with an exploded drawing of all the parts. a B&W 4-view is provided on the back of the box as a color reference as well as a text description of the plane in question. The 4-color decals are in very good register and include wind roundels, fin flash, data, and personal markings The name Leon/L=E9on, a cross of Lorraine= , and red striping to edge the white fuselage band you have to paint to back the cross. The kit scales out virtually spot on with 3-views in Aircraft Archive "Aircraft of World War 1" Volume 1. HITS: sharp exterior detail, thin trailing edges, French markings on a =46rench plane. MISS: Bombs! Bombers are supposed to have Bombs!. (not much of an interior either.) Required for ultimate satisfaction: Bombs! Hanging off the wing! It's got the racks! 1/72 Breguet XIV B.2: kit # 4004 ****************** _____________________________________________________________________ Mark (An Employee at Kites & Other Delights in West Edmonton Mall) ------------------------ mnelson@compusmart.ab.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 11:28:22 +0800 (GMT+0800) From: "Valenciano . Jose" To: wwi Subject: test, don't read Message-ID: ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 21:54:12 -0600 From: mnelson@compusmart.ab.ca (Mark K. Nelson) To: wwi Subject: Re: ****ing list Message-ID: >In response to: > >>Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 23:55:41 -0400 >>To: Multiple recipients of list >>Subject: Take me off this fucking list > >. . . I thought this was a list for WW I modellers. Is it some other kind of >list? Am I missing something here? Is this like watching a movie lying on >the couch and missing the good parts? > >Or was the List temporarily lurked by a jerk? > >PK He's just upset 'cause his hockey team sucks. Dallas tHHHPPPTT!!!!!! _____________________________________________________________________ Mark (An Employee at Kites & Other Delights in West Edmonton Mall) ------------------------ mnelson@compusmart.ab.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 22:04:10 -0600 From: mnelson@compusmart.ab.ca (Mark K. Nelson) To: wwi Subject: Dragon Update Message-ID: Dragon, what a whacky company! There are now two Dragons (sort of.) Dragon is in Hong Kong and has a catalog. Dragon Shanghai is in Mainland China and has a different catalog. Dragon has most of the new kits (all non WW1 types) as well as the more popular old kits (some WW1 (Fokkers all if I remember), mostl of the WWII AFVs, some WWII aircraft, only a few modernish AFVs) Dragon Shanghai has a few new kits (WWII german JU88a & c and AFVs) as well as a bunch of old kits, including most of the modern AFVs and most aircraft. These are priced at a discount. The 3 WW1 kits in this line include the original SPAD 13 in post-war American occupation markings, as well as the Kempf Dr.1 and one other which escapes my memory. The good news being that between the two brands all basic WW1 kits are still available (although certain permutations are not.) Unfortunatly still no Camel (and the JU88a is listed as not available in North America! -Thhpptt!) _____________________________________________________________________ Mark (An Employee at Kites & Other Delights in West Edmonton Mall) ------------------------ mnelson@compusmart.ab.ca ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 517 *********************