WWI Digest 515

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) Re: Sierra
	by Michelle and Rory Goodwin <mgoodwin@ricochet.net>
  2) Mail-bot Needed
	by "Bill Ciciora" <bciciora@pitneysoft.com>
  3) Re: Take me off this fucking list
	by Kevin Wenker <kwenker@interaccess.com>
  4) Re: Comment on this list
	by "Erik" <xopowo@mail.oz.net>
  5) Re: Fokker D.VIII wings
	by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer)
  6) Re: Comment on this list
	by Pedro Soares <pedro@Anaep.PT>
  7) Re: Hello Sandy
	by Sandy Adam <sandya@cbbs.demon.co.uk>
  8) Re: wwi unscribe
	by mbittner@juno.com
  9) Re: Fokker D.VIII wings
	by Sandy Adam <sandya@cbbs.demon.co.uk>
 10) The Next Great Debate
	by JimAlley@aol.com
 11) ****ing list
	by Peter Kilduff <KILDUFF@CCSUA.CTSTATEU.EDU>
 12) Re: IPMS Regional's this weekend 5/3
	by GRBroman@aol.com
 13) Re: On meeting listmembers
	by GRBroman@aol.com
 14) Re: Comment on this list
	by Bill Bacon <wbacon@netjava.net>
 15) Re: Don't use PolyScale over Gunze
	by "Brian Bushe" <syclone@mailserver.itl.net>
 16) Re: Blue Max Special at Squadron!
	by "Brian Bushe" <syclone@mailserver.itl.net>
 17) Re: Fokker D.VIII wings
	by "Brian Bushe" <syclone@mailserver.itl.net>
 18) Re: The Next Great Debate
	by Kevin Wenker <kwenker@interaccess.com>
 19) Re: Comment on this list
	by Kevin Wenker <kwenker@interaccess.com>
 20) Off topic (but only slightly)
	by Peter Kilduff <KILDUFF@CCSUA.CTSTATEU.EDU>
 21) Re: On meeting listmembers
	by "Paul Schwartzkopf" <pauls@transcrypt.com>
 22) Re: Fokker D.VIII wings
	by djones@iex.com (Doug Jones)
 23) Newbie Albatros Question
	by "Philip Shacklock" <PSHACKLO@clc.ab.umd.edu>
 24) 
	by paf@wuphys.wustl.edu (Peter Fedders)
 25) Wood Finishes
	by "Paul Schwartzkopf" <pauls@transcrypt.com>
 26) Re: The Next Great Debate
	by Alberto Rada <rada@pop.true.net>
 27) Re: Fokker D.VIII wings
	by hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart)

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Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 20:11:44 -0700
From: Michelle and Rory Goodwin <mgoodwin@ricochet.net>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Sierra
Message-ID: <336566F0.4EA2@ricochet.net>

Charles Hart wrote:
> 
> Sierra Scale Models
> 910 Indian Hills Drive
> Elizabethtown KY  42701
> 
>    502/737-4437
> 
> >To the List:
> >
> >Does anyone have a phone number for Bob Norgren at Sierra? I can't seem to
> >raise him by e-mail.
> >
> >Thanks.
> >
> >Kevin B.
Charles,

Sorry to bounce one of your old posts back at you, but did you receive
my check for the Hannover Cl.III copies?

Riordan
-- 
Shelley and Riordan Goodwin
Visit our websites:
Riordan's Wings of Revolution: http://www.serve.com/rgoodwin
Shelley's Jewelry Gifts: http://www.silkroadjewels.com

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Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 22:23:51 -0500
From: "Bill Ciciora" <bciciora@pitneysoft.com>
To: <wwi>
Subject: Mail-bot Needed
Message-ID: <m0wM3XQ-000kHYC@miso.wwa.com>

Allan,

Do you or anyone else on the list have a nice mail-bot to gently show the
folks with double-digit IQ the proper way to unsubscribe from this list?
Some folks need it spelled out for them -- many more times than once.

Bill C.

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Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 22:48:27 -0500
From: Kevin Wenker <kwenker@interaccess.com>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Take me off this fucking list
Message-ID: <33656F8B.26AB@interaccess.com>

Who IS this jerk????  Probably a car modeller.

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Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 21:59:25 +0000
From: "Erik" <xopowo@mail.oz.net>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Comment on this list
Message-ID: <199704290501.WAA09715@glinda.oz.net>

On 28 Apr 97,  Stephen R. Miller stupidly postulated:

> please take me off this listplease take me off this listplease take me off
[BIG snip]

> Government\Economics Instructor
> Townview Magnet Center

     Government\Economics Instructor in a "Magnet Center"???.... 
Guess that says it all....   

                           Cheers,  Erik
........................................................................
"Mr.Anchovy, perhaps you could move *towards* 'Lion Taming' via Banking,
or even Insurance?..."

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Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 00:03:57 -0700
From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer)
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Fokker D.VIII wings
Message-ID: <199704290703.AA20621@ednet1.orednet.org>




Shane writes:

>G'Day all,

>	To get to the point. DML have moulded the wing with lovely smooth
>surfaces (and some serious sinkage), while reference to almost any
>photograph will show the wings to be an almighty patchwork of ridges and
>depressions. 

>I have decided how *I'll* reproduce this in 1:48, but wonder if anyone
>else has actually gone to the trouble of doing so, and how, or has
>everyone just painted it up smoother than a babies bum and left well
>alone?

>By way of reference (for those of you with Datafile #25 handy), the
>photograph at the top of page 11, which is the kit decal option, shows
>what I mean in the brightly lit reflection abovethe cockpit. Better (or
>worse if you like smooth wings) photos are at the foot of page 11 and on
>practically every other page. Oh, and the reflections reveal a *very*
>glossy surface


Well, to wade into a subject I know little of and have researched
less, was not the Fokker D.VIII wing plywood covered (despite the
illustration on the top of the DML box)?

If I'm remembering this correctly, a basically smooth wing surface
would be correct.  I don't have the D.VIII datafile but I do have
another book with what I think is the same photo in it and I
see the "wavey" effect to the reflection on the undersurface of
the wing which you refer to.  Yet, I wonder if this effect
really represents an "almighty patchwork of ridges and depressions"?  

A plywood covered wing structure would be basically smooth.

Perhaps it just represents slight unevenness in a basically smooth
surface which is presented to the light at the right angle?  
Certainly this is a phenomenum familiar enough to model builders
where a seam line or surface imperfection, normally invisible,
suddenly pops out like a sore thumb when ya' hold the little
sucker just right to the light. (Yeech! I really hate it when that
happens!) 

I dunno on this 'un for sure but I'm thinking that smooth
-should- be basically correct.  YMMV and I stand ready to
be corrected by someone who is a better D.VIII scholar than
am I.

Yet, I note that I received my copy of the reprint of Jane's
Fighting Aircraft of World War One today and Jane's original
speculation was that the D.VIII had a _metal_ wing.  That
would seem to indicate a smooth wing - at least so far as
the allies' observation was concerned.

Ah, well, I shuffle off and leave the stage to someone who's
actually researched the D.VIII.  I waded in only because no one
else seemed inclined to do so..

But, unless I've missed something along the way, smooth seems
OK to me - especially when reduced to 1/48 scale.  

But, if my aging brain synapses have short circuited and
my recollection of a plywood-covered D.VIII wing is
incorrect, please ignore all of the foregoing!  :-)

The stage is yours.

Cheers and all,

Bill

--
                    - Bill Shatzer   bshatzer@orednet.org -

"This is the West, sir.  When the legend becomes fact, print the legend."

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Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 09:52:37 +0200
From: Pedro Soares <pedro@Anaep.PT>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Comment on this list
Message-ID: <3365A8C4.4DA8@anaep.pt>

Erik wrote:
> 
> On 28 Apr 97,  Stephen R. Miller stupidly postulated:
> 
> > please take me off this listplease take me off this listplease take me off
> [BIG snip]
> 
> > Government\Economics Instructor
> > Townview Magnet Center
> 
>      Government\Economics Instructor in a "Magnet Center"???....
> Guess that says it all....
> 


Bill, 

See what you've done, you and your damned official erection
instructions. 

This use to be a quiet and educating list, now all sorts of paranormal
guys drop by looking for the miracle cure... 

pedro


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Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 09:55:53 +0100 (BST)
From: Sandy Adam <sandya@cbbs.demon.co.uk>
To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi>
Subject: Re: Hello Sandy
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.970429095210.21283A-100000@firewall.cbbs.co.uk>



> >The curator at East Fortune is a WW1 enthusiast, so when I showed him
> >Bill's info on the plane, he let me into the storeroom, where they had
> >Noth's seat and some other trophies. I even got to sit in it! Also
> >terrific collection of photographs from the Station's anti-Zeppelin and
> >then airship days.
> 
> If my info is what got you into the trophy room and sittin' in
> Noth's seat, you owe me one!  Big time!   :-)
> 
> Cheers and regards, Bill

Just name it! - BTW I am attaching a special Sense-o-Scan file with this
e-mail and if your terminal has the special attachments for your chair,
you will be able to download the rear-end sensations of sitting in the
Albatros seat. 
Sandy


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Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 04:39:32 -0500
From: mbittner@juno.com
To: wwi
Subject: Re: wwi unscribe
Message-ID: <19970429.045009.13270.0.mbittner@juno.com>

On Mon, 28 Apr 1997 22:44:59 -0400 pilum40@OnRamp.NET ( Stephen
R. Miller) writes:

Gee, no wonder he can't get off this list.  He can't even spell.
What does that say for the "average" US instructor?  Oh wait,
he's a Government Instructor.  He probably wasn't told how to
spell "unsubscribe".

This is the closest as a flame one will get on this list.
Dealing with incompetence.

>Stephen R. Miller
>Government\Economics Instructor
>Townview Magnet Center
>1201 E. 8th Street
>Room 256
>Dallas Texas 75203


Matt
mbittner@juno.com

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Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 10:33:38 +0100 (BST)
From: Sandy Adam <sandya@cbbs.demon.co.uk>
To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi>
Subject: Re: Fokker D.VIII wings
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.970429101243.21416A-100000@firewall.cbbs.co.uk>



On Tue, 29 Apr 1997, Bill Shatzer wrote:
> 
> A plywood covered wing structure would be basically smooth.


I think you are both correct, but it depends what your model is going to
depict. 
At the beginning of the century there were many more skilled woodworking
craftsmen than now. Marvellous photos in the Pfalz DXII Datafile show
carpenters and others at work building plywood fuselages etc, and
carpentry was a skilled vocation that required years of journeyman
apprenticeship before qualifying as an articled craftsman. During this the
apprentice would need to produce many, many test pieces with immaculately
smooth finishes.

I have no doubts that the aircraft leaving the factory would have
beautiful smooth finishes and if you wish to model a DVIII at this stage
in its career - or immediately on arrival, assignment and personal marking
on the airfield - I would suggest as smooth as the baby's bum is correct.

However, if you have ever left a piece of plywood covered furniture, or an
old tea-chest outside for a few weeks, you will know what happens to it:
it warps and distorts and blisters. Now although the wood would be well
varnished to begin with, wear and tear would inevitably allow the ingress
of water and the weather would do the rest. I have spent many holidays
basking in 90 degrees in areas as far north as the Pas de Calais and have
also been washed out in Normandy and have no doubts what a piece of
plywood would look like after several weeks of Western Front exposure.

There are numerous pictures of Albatros Scouts with incredibly wrinkly
fuselages which I have always assumed to be caused by this.

Thus, my suggestion would be either model it smooth and glossy with fairly
bright colours, or model it wrinkly and semi-matt with dull colours (Sorry 
Matt!).  I think either is viable - although some personal markings
might not be appropriate in the former case if applied after the plane had
been in service for some time.

Sandy


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Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 07:33:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: JimAlley@aol.com
To: wwi
Subject: The Next Great Debate
Message-ID: <970429073305_218847395@emout04.mail.aol.com>

Okay. This doesn't have anything to do with modeling or WWI arcana, but 
seems to be a "feature" of this list. What, exactly, is all of the junk 
that keeps appearing in some of your posts? I've copied some below so 
that you can all the the messy, cluttered mix of "><META content..." and 
"><!DOCTYPE HTML..." etc. I understand HTML tags, but why is this stuff 
showing up in your posts? I've seen it rarely in other e-mail, but it 
happens regularly here. Could it be that some of you are using (ugh!) 
Windows or DOS machines instead of Macs?

Jim Alley

EXAMPLE BELOW:

>------=_NextPart_000_01BC548C.20686B40
>Content-Type: text/html;
>	charset="iso-8859-1"
>Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>
><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD W3 HTML 3.2//EN">
><HTML>
><HEAD>
><META content=3Dtext/html;charset=3Diso-8859-1 =
>http-equiv=3DContent-Type>
><META content=3D'"Trident 4.71.0544.0"' name=3DGENERATOR>
>
></HEAD>
><BODY>
><P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>G'Day Shane,</FONT>
>
><P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Well, although I built the Eduard Fokker =
>D.VIII the=20
>issue is the same- a nice smooth wing. I must admit, I just painted it =
>and left=20
>well enough alone, although I did spend a little time adding some subtle =
>weather=20
>streaks to the finish.</FONT>
>
><P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I think it turned out okay, and I get =
>lots of great=20
>comments from the local WWI modelling group.</FONT>
>
><P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Cheers,</FONT>
>
><P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rob</FONT><FONT face=3DArial =
>size=3D2></FONT></P>
>
></BODY></HTML>
>
>------=_NextPart_000_01BC548C.20686B40--


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Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 7:44:40 -0400 (EDT)
From: Peter Kilduff <KILDUFF@CCSUA.CTSTATEU.EDU>
To: wwi
Subject: ****ing list
Message-ID: <970429074440.2080b9f0@CCSUA.CTSTATEU.EDU>

In response to:

>Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 23:55:41 -0400
>To: Multiple recipients of list <wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
>Subject: Take me off this fucking list

. . . I thought this was a list for WW I modellers.  Is it some other kind of 
list?  Am I missing something here?  Is this like watching a movie lying on
the couch and missing the good parts?

Or was the List temporarily lurked by a jerk?

PK

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Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 08:09:33 -0400 (EDT)
From: GRBroman@aol.com
To: wwi
Subject: Re: IPMS Regional's this weekend 5/3
Message-ID: <970429080932_-333265186@emout10.mail.aol.com>

In a message dated 97-04-28 21:59:19 EDT, you write:

<< FWIW, look for my Nie.28, SSW D.III and 'Mother', all in the
 Scale of Hustad, of course. >>
Ah, Mother at last!  I am tentatively planning on bringing "Son of Mother"
 (The Emhar Tadpole from hell) and a Russian T-28.  Unfortunatley, the 0/400,
was severely damaged after the Wil-Cook contest and won't be making the trip.
 Glen

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Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 08:09:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: GRBroman@aol.com
To: wwi
Subject: Re: On meeting listmembers
Message-ID: <970429080951_-64825886@emout20.mail.aol.com>

In a message dated 97-04-29 00:50:49 EDT, you write:

<< Glen
 Could you list what's available in Armor for WW1 in the manly scale
 of course
  >>
Ah, Alberto, A true believer :)  Emhar has a number of WW I tanks in 1/35.
 The Mark IV male and female and the Tadpole.  The Tadpole is a real "mother"
 (pun intended) to put together and I can post or send a review if you like.
 It does look cool when done though.  Emhar also makes a Whippet, which I
have not yet built.  Tauro makes an A7V with interior and an Italian copy of
the Renault FT-17, although it was post-war and only shares a general
appearance with the Renault.  MB Models also had a resin Mark IV.  I think
Azimut make a resin FT-17, there are a few out there in resinville from other
manufactureres, but thats all I can think of right now.  HTH, Glen

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Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 07:16:38 -0500
From: Bill Bacon <wbacon@netjava.net>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Comment on this list
Message-ID: <3365E6A6.2C88@netjava.net>

Pedro Soares wrote:
> 
> Erik wrote:
> >
> > On 28 Apr 97,  Stephen R. Miller stupidly postulated:
> >
> > > please take me off this listplease take me off this listplease take me off
> > [BIG snip]
> >
> > > Government\Economics Instructor
> > > Townview Magnet Center
> >
> >      Government\Economics Instructor in a "Magnet Center"???....
> > Guess that says it all....
> >
> 
> Bill,
> 
> See what you've done, you and your damned official erection
> instructions.
> 
> This use to be a quiet and educating list, now all sorts of paranormal
> guys drop by looking for the miracle cure...
> 
> pedro

Honest guys I had no idea that my ideas would turn over that idiot's
rock.  We live and learn

Bill

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Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 13:57:44 +0000
From: "Brian Bushe" <syclone@mailserver.itl.net>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Don't use PolyScale over Gunze
Message-ID: <199704291256.NAA01179@itl.net>

Jim,

I don't know polyscale, but is this the old favorite enamel over 
acrylic problem?  You have to let the acrylic dry for weeks before 
putting enamel over it.  I never have this problem, my models usally 
get months, or even years between coats :-(

Brian







re: Don't use PolyScale over Gunze

> I thought I'd pass this 'tip' along.  When doing my N28 recently, I bought
> all PolyScale colors.  When I went to use them, the beige was very green, so
> I thought I'd use some Gunze I had that was a good match as the beige base
> coat.  Mistake.  When I went to put the PolyScale over it, the PolyScale
> cracked, big time.
> 
> On one area, I lightly sanded, which help a little, and applied many light
> coats to eventually cover without cracking.  In another area I applied
> dullcote, then PolyScale which worked pretty well.
> 
> I airbrushed the Gunze, and hand brushed the PS.  I have heard of others
> having similar problems of PS not sticking to Gunze.
> 
> jw
> 
> 
'My mind is going. There is no question of it' - Hal 9000

Brian Bushe                  syclone@itl.net
Syclone Systems
Fieldhouse Lane           (44) 01628 476 500
Marlow                    Fax  01628 475 522   
Buckinghamshire SL7 1LU
England

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Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 13:57:44 +0000
From: "Brian Bushe" <syclone@mailserver.itl.net>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Blue Max Special at Squadron!
Message-ID: <199704291256.NAA01182@itl.net>

re: Blue Max Special at Squadron!

> The Bruce Beamish email special for the day is the Blue Max Pfalz D.XII kit
> in 1/48 scale for only $19.99 !!!! This is a nice looking kit and usually
> goes for $49.95. Highly recommended to Devotees of the One True Scale.

costs us 19.95 pounds over here.  we can't even get home grown stuff 
cheaper than you guys...

BTW this is a great kit and worth the money (even at 20 quid, which 
is cheaper than DML over here)

Brian

'My mind is going. There is no question of it' - Hal 9000

Brian Bushe                  syclone@itl.net
Syclone Systems
Fieldhouse Lane           (44) 01628 476 500
Marlow                    Fax  01628 475 522   
Buckinghamshire SL7 1LU
England

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Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 13:57:44 +0000
From: "Brian Bushe" <syclone@mailserver.itl.net>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Fokker D.VIII wings
Message-ID: <199704291256.NAA01184@itl.net>

Shane,

I think we'll be getting a message from you just after this 
competition complaining the judges penalised you for you're rough 
finish on the wing :-)

I saw an article in FSM a couple (?) of years back on representing 
stressed skins on jets (you know what they are don't you?).  I 
imagine the effect you're looking for look similar.  I believe it was 
done with round files and sandpaper wrapped around paintbrush 
handles, or something like that. Remember to document it for the 
contest.

Or you could just pastel it in. I think that would be the best bet.


re: Fokker D.VIII wings

> G'Day all,
> 
> 	I have just started building the DML Fokker D.VIII as an Out of Box
> model for our major contest later this year.  I'm ...ah... not exactly
> temperamentally suited to OoB since I find it impossible to leave things
> alone, so this kit will probably drive me crazy, but have been
> challenged to do it. Damned ego.
> 
> 	To get to the point. DML have moulded the wing with lovely smooth
> surfaces (and some serious sinkage), while reference to almost any
> photograph will show the wings to be an almighty patchwork of ridges and
> depressions. 
> 
> I have decided how *I'll* reproduce this in 1:48, but wonder if anyone
> else has actually gone to the trouble of doing so, and how, or has
> everyone just painted it up smoother than a babies bum and left well
> alone?
> 
> By way of reference (for those of you with Datafile #25 handy), the
> photograph at the top of page 11, which is the kit decal option, shows
> what I mean in the brightly lit reflection abovethe cockpit. Better (or
> worse if you like smooth wings) photos are at the foot of page 11 and on
> practically every other page. Oh, and the reflections reveal a *very*
> glossy surface
> 
> FWIW
> 
> Shane
> 
> n.b   	DML D.VIII
> 	Bristol F.2b, Albatrois W.4
> 
'My mind is going. There is no question of it' - Hal 9000

Brian Bushe                  syclone@itl.net
Syclone Systems
Fieldhouse Lane           (44) 01628 476 500
Marlow                    Fax  01628 475 522   
Buckinghamshire SL7 1LU
England

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Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 08:15:45 -0700
From: Kevin Wenker <kwenker@interaccess.com>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: The Next Great Debate
Message-ID: <336610A1.3227@interaccess.com>

JimAlley@aol.com wrote:
> 
> Okay. This doesn't have anything to do with modeling or WWI arcana, but
> seems to be a "feature" of this list. What, exactly, is all of the junk
> that keeps appearing in some of your posts? I've copied some below so
> that you can all the the messy, cluttered mix of "><META content..." and
> "><!DOCTYPE HTML..." etc. I understand HTML tags, but why is this stuff
> showing up in your posts? I've seen it rarely in other e-mail, but it
> happens regularly here. Could it be that some of you are using (ugh!)
> Windows or DOS machines instead of Macs?
> 
> Jim Alley
> 

While I may model obsolete planes, I believe in current computer
technology, which is why I use Windows 95 rather than an Apple.
Steve Jobs, are you listening.

Ah, I couldn't resist.

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Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 08:22:33 -0700
From: Kevin Wenker <kwenker@interaccess.com>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Comment on this list
Message-ID: <33661239.720@interaccess.com>

Bill Bacon wrote:
> 
> Pedro Soares wrote:
> >
> > Erik wrote:
> > >
> > > On 28 Apr 97,  Stephen R. Miller stupidly postulated:
> > >
> > > > please take me off this listplease take me off this listplease take me off
> > > [BIG snip]
> > >
> > > > Government\Economics Instructor
> > > > Townview Magnet Center
> > >
> > >      Government\Economics Instructor in a "Magnet Center"???....
> > > Guess that says it all....
> > >
> >
> > Bill,
> >
> > See what you've done, you and your damned official erection
> > instructions.
> >
> > This use to be a quiet and educating list, now all sorts of paranormal
> > guys drop by looking for the miracle cure...
> >
> > pedro
> 
> Honest guys I had no idea that my ideas would turn over that idiot's
> rock.  We live and learn
> 
> Bill

Yeah, Bill, no more erection instructions.  People like him might breed.
And I don't know what all this fuss is about cloning.  Looking at anyone
with Government stamped on their foreheads and you just know it's been
going on for years.

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Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 9:25:28 -0400 (EDT)
From: Peter Kilduff <KILDUFF@CCSUA.CTSTATEU.EDU>
To: wwi
Subject: Off topic (but only slightly)
Message-ID: <970429092528.2080ae85@CCSUA.CTSTATEU.EDU>

Dear Fellow WW I-ophiles:

Ordinarily, I wouldn't dream of interrupting this serious, schoiarly discussion 
with an Off Topic comment.  But, in light of recent foul-mouthed comments by a
now former lurker, I thought the following note of levity would be appropriate.
The final item in the string seems particularly apt re: the former member.

PK

==============

The British Military writes OFR's (officer fitness reports).  The form
used for Royal Navy and Marines fitness reports is the S206.  The
following are actual excerpts taken from people's S206 reports.

>His men would follow him anywhere, but only out of curiosity.

>I would not breed from this officer.

>This officer is really not so much of a has-been, but more of a definitely 
 won't-be.

>When she opens her mouth, it seems that this is only to change whichever
>foot was previously in there.

>He has carried out each and every one of his duties to his entire
>satisfaction.

>He would be out of his depth in a car park puddle.

>Technically sound, but socially impossible.

>This officer remindes me very much of gyroscope -- always spinning around at
 a frantic pace, but not really going anywhere.

>This young lady has delusions of adequacy.

>When he joined my ship, this oficer was something of a granny; since then
 he has aged considerably.

>This medical officer has used my ship to carry his genitals from port to
 port, and my officers to carry him from bar to bar.

>Since my last report, he has reached rock bottom and has started to dig.

>She sets low personal standards and then consistently fails to achieve them.

>He has the wisdom of youth and the energy of old age.

>This officer should go far, and the sooner he starts, the better.

>In my opinion this pilot should not be authorized to fly below 250 feet.

>The only ship I would recommend this man for is citizenship.

>Works well when under constant supervision and cornered like a rat in a trap.

>This man is depriving a village somewhere of an idiot.

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Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 08:41:21 +0000
From: "Paul Schwartzkopf" <pauls@transcrypt.com>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: On meeting listmembers
Message-ID: <199704291349.IAA25223@tscrypt1.transcrypt.com>

 I wrote:
>  Too bad for the guys who only build Luftwaffe stuff and those things with
> wings and no props!  They just  don't know what they're missing. >>

And Glen responded:
> I shall have you know Sir, that Matt, Alan and I, as well as several others,
> have been known to build things without wings and no props.  They are called
> tanks and armored cars and balloons!  :)  And they are all WW I.  Please
> don't forget those poor misguided souls who model in 1/76 ( the Armor
> equivalent of munchkinville) and  1/35, the manly scale for building manly
> tanks, where you can actually see what you are doing ;)  Glen

No offense was intended :-(   For me, I just get a better personal sense of 
accomplishment on completion of a biplane, as per a jet, just because 
of the delicacies involved in the assembly process. (I have actually 
been known to build everything from dinosaurs to spacecraft!)      

As a matter of fact, I do have the Emhar 1/35 Mk IV kit, which I have 
never started because of a lack of references.  Any good sources you 
could recommend to me?  I believe it is the Male.  I had also picked 
up the Airfix 1/32 WW2 British infantry to modify to WW1 infantry.  
Has anyone attempted doing this, and if so, how did it turn out? 

Unfortunately, I cannot make the Region 5 Convention this weekend.
*Good luck to all who are taking entries!*  That snow we had a few 
weekends ago has set my "honeydew" landscaping 
projects back.  But on the positive side, I do know how to 
unsubscribe from the list if I wanted to!

Paul      

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Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 09:54:11 -0500 (CDT)
From: djones@iex.com (Doug Jones)
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Fokker D.VIII wings
Message-ID: <9704291454.AA14156@deimos.tx.iex.com>

Bill wrote:

> Well, to wade into a subject I know little of and have researched
> less, was not the Fokker D.VIII wing plywood covered (despite the
> illustration on the top of the DML box)?

Yes it was/is. 

> If I'm remembering this correctly, a basically smooth wing surface
> would be correct.  I don't have the D.VIII datafile but I do have
> another book with what I think is the same photo in it and I
> see the "wavey" effect to the reflection on the undersurface of
> the wing which you refer to.  Yet, I wonder if this effect
> really represents an "almighty patchwork of ridges and depressions"?  

The wavy appearance is correct. At least if the wings that I have seen
are any indication. The wing is covered in 1.5mm plywood. That's very
thin folks. And it tends to sag just a wee bit between the ribs. Both
of Brian Coughlin's D-VIIIs exhibit this phenomenon. 


Doug
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Date:         Tue, 29 Apr 1997 11:10:40 EST
From: "Philip Shacklock" <PSHACKLO@clc.ab.umd.edu>
To: wwi
Subject: Newbie Albatros Question
Message-ID: <1B07E7342F@clc.ab.umd.edu>

Dear All,
I am about to start work on an Albatros DV and was wondering if 
anyone has any tips on how to produce a good approximation to the 
natural finished plywood covering the fuselage?  I've seen 
advertisements for decal sheets which are supposed to represent this 
panelling but as I have not actually seen them I do not know how good 
they are.  Does anyone have any recommendations regarding these, 
which manufacturer etc?
Thanks in advance for any responses and also thanks to all for this 
great list!

Phil Shacklock.
Phil Shacklock
OME Instuctional Technology Group
Voice: (410) 706-6613
FAX: (410) 706-7607
Email: pshacklo@clc.ab.umd.edu

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Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 10:21:47 -0500
From: paf@wuphys.wustl.edu (Peter Fedders)
To: wwi
Message-ID: <199704291521.KAA05948@wuphys.wustl.edu>

 On simulating wood surfaces.

I have had excellent results with the following method.  First paint the surface
with a yellow or light brown paint and let it dry thoroughly - at least several
days.  then dry brush on a darker brown or reddish brown.  It sounds harder than it
is - but you will have to practice.

Of course the wood grain is not to scale - if it was to scale you would not see it!
However, you do create the illusion of wood grain.

paf

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Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 10:32:38 +0000
From: "Paul Schwartzkopf" <pauls@transcrypt.com>
To: wwi
Subject: Wood Finishes
Message-ID: <199704291540.KAA25713@tscrypt1.transcrypt.com>

I have had success with painting on a base coat, such as Model Master 
Wood, or mixing a reddish-brown for mahogany.  After the paint is 
dry, I use artists' drawing pencils, in a darker color, to add the 
graining.  I select a color according to the base coat, such as dark 
brown on light brown.  I never use black--it is too dark.  I don't 
pay too much attention adding the graining, as you want it to look 
"random".  I do this right before adding a gloss coat of clear for 
decaling to seal in the pencil.  Pencils can be purchased at art/craft 
stores, and come in a wide variety of colors.  Be advised that using 
too sharp a point or pressing too hard can gouge into the paint.

Paul  

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Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 11:36:36 -0400 (AST)
From: Alberto Rada <rada@pop.true.net>
To: wwi
Subject: Re: The Next Great Debate
Message-ID: <199704291536.LAA25637@fw.true.net>

Kevin

I am sorry to correct you, the airplanes you model are not
obsolete, they are antique, the frutty computer you where 
refering to, is.

SORRY , SORRY , couldn't resist it either.

SALUDOS

ALBERTO


At 09:15 AM 29-04-97 -0400, you wrote:

>
>While I may model obsolete planes, I believe in current computer
>technology, which is why I use Windows 95 rather than an Apple.
>Steve Jobs, are you listening.
>
>Ah, I couldn't resist.
>
>


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Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 09:41:19 -0700
From: hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart)
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Fokker D.VIII wings
Message-ID: <v01510116af8bd43e6f80@[128.138.153.98]>

Shane writes:
>
>        I have just started building the DML Fokker D.VIII as an Out of Box
>model for our major contest later this year.  I'm ...ah... not exactly
>temperamentally suited to OoB since I find it impossible to leave things
>alone, so this kit will probably drive me crazy, but have been
>challenged to do it. Damned ego.
>
>        To get to the point. DML have moulded the wing with lovely smooth
>surfaces (and some serious sinkage), while reference to almost any
>photograph will show the wings to be an almighty patchwork of ridges and
>depressions.
>
>I have decided how *I'll* reproduce this in 1:48, but wonder if anyone
>else has actually gone to the trouble of doing so, and how, or has
>everyone just painted it up smoother than a babies bum and left well
>alone?
>
>By way of reference (for those of you with Datafile #25 handy), the
>photograph at the top of page 11, which is the kit decal option, shows
>what I mean in the brightly lit reflection abovethe cockpit. Better (or
>worse if you like smooth wings) photos are at the foot of page 11 and on
>practically every other page. Oh, and the reflections reveal a *very*
>glossy surface

     Well, when reduced to 1/48 this is going to be a very subtle surface
phonomena.  Perhaps the best way to replicate it would be to cut out some
decal film in the pattern of the wrinkles in the wing surface and apply it
to a primered wing then put a couple of moderate to heavy coats of final
green color over it.  The color will be more or less uniform 'till you
weather it with pastels, paints etc, but you will have a three dimensional
aspect to the surface of the wing.

     Sounds very ambitious to me.  Personally, I'd just go for putting some
decent lozenge on this one.

Charles

hartc@spot.colorado.edu



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