WWI Digest 513 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Gotha colours/lozenge by "Steve Kerry & Carol Ann Green" 2) Re: The scale debate continues! by "Erik" 3) RE: Gotha colours/lozenge by Robert McAllister 4) Braille Scale Pfalz D.XII by "Bittner, Matthew (KTR) ~U" 5) Re: The scale debate continues! by Bill Bacon 6) Re: Gotha colours/lozenge by hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) 7) Re: The scale debate continues! by hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) 8) Re: Hello Sandy by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 9) Administrative - ignore by aew (Allan Wright) 10) Weekend in London by Fportier@aol.com 11) Re: The scale debate continues! by "S.M.Sundberg" 12) Rep : Re: The scale debate continues! by Fportier@aol.com 13) Re: The scale debate continues! by Brian 14) Re: The scale debate continues! by "Paul Schwartzkopf" 15) Re: The scale debate continues! by Geoff Smith 16) Rep : Re: The scale debate continues! by Geoff Smith 17) WW1 movie by Bill Bacon 18) Don't use PolyScale over Gunze by Jim Wallace 19) Re: IPMS Regional's this weekend 5/3 by mbittner@juno.com 20) Re: IPMS Regional's this weekend 5/3 by Kevin Wenker 21) RE: IPMS Regional's this weekend 5/3 by Shane Weier 22) Re: On meeting listmembers by GRBroman@aol.com 23) Re: IPMS Regional's this weekend 5/3 by GRBroman@aol.com 24) Re: IPMS Regional's this weekend 5/3 by mbittner@juno.com 25) Re: On meeting listmembers by mbittner@juno.com 26) Re: The scale debate continues! by bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 27) Re: WW1 movie by bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 28) Re: On meeting listmembers by Alberto Rada 29) Who were the artists? by Sandy Adam 30) Re: Administrative - ignore by pilum40@OnRamp.NET ( Stephen R. Miller) 31) Re: German crosses. by pilum40@OnRamp.NET ( Stephen R. Miller) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 18:26:37 +0000 From: "Steve Kerry & Carol Ann Green" To: wwi Subject: Re: Gotha colours/lozenge Message-ID: <199704281726.SAA14887@mail.enterprise.net> Wasn't someone here talking about Gotha colours the other day? I just turned up a reference that includes a 3-view of a Gotha G IV of Kampfgeschwader 3. It has a dark olive fuselage as far back as the tail, but everything else is *white*. White wings (incl. underside), white tail, white nacelles, white rear fuselage, and a white area on the nose. Even the wheel hubs are white! There is also a photo of a Gotha G V being bombed up with 100kg and 50kg bombs. The caption adds: "Fabric with an extra large lozenge pattern was especially printed for the G-category types." Hope this is of use to someone. -- Steve Kerry Yorkshire, UK ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 10:32:07 +0000 From: "Erik" To: wwi Subject: Re: The scale debate continues! Message-ID: <199704281734.KAA17783@glinda.oz.net> On 28 Apr 97, Jesse Thorn heroically postulated: > Recent astronomical evidence collected by the Hubble Space Telescope and > interpreted by the astronomy departments at MIT, CalTech, JPL, and the > Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory has put the TRUE SCALE of the > universe at 1/48. This is the scale in which the Universe was originally > modeled. > Well, we'd better put a stop to this sort of heresy right now!.... > This Universal Scale Variable (USV) as it is known was defined within the > first 1.0 x 10^^ -645 second after the start of the Big Bang. All other > scales are relative and should therefore be treated with great > circumspection as it is not clear at this time if current theories in > Physics support the notion that an accurate model of ANY WWI aircraft can > be built in 1/72nd. > Scientists occupying superior labs-- featuring dual-processor type computers and much bigger monitor screens-- have been quick to refute this claim over the following few days. The initial calculations for the USV were made within the context of a profound chronological error, found to be result of a number of formulae emanating from a desultory attempt at a Constant Galactic Recession Velocity. These inferior scientists, apparently blinded by their own scale prejudices, were found to be using a Hubble Constant of H=48 km/sec/ Mpc, which resulted in the spurious calculation of the total age of the Universe at 21 billion years! Modern astrophysical research, of course, has calculated the age of the Universe at a more likely 14-15 billion years, the median value of which for Hubble Constant [H] is, naturally, 72 km/sec/Mpc. These erroneous calculations resulted in an over-estimation in the rate of inflation in the early Universe, with the result that the effort's USV calculation was in fact relevant to a condition of the Universe at 1.0 x 10^^ -311 second following the Initial Singularity (Big Bang) event. Furthermore, in a letter written to Max Planck in 1907, Einstein confirmed the largest possible light wavelength at 0.000072 cm, meaning that the maximum permissible rate of inflation in the early Universe was clearly pegged at a distinctive Master Scale pace. This Einstein Early Inflation Constant (EEIC) was later manifest in Einstein's request for 1/72 scale Recognition Models from the US Navy while under their war-time employ. > We await official position papers from the world's main religions but, it > looks like this conclusion is in accordance with the teachings of these > ancient and revered belief systems. > Socio-Anthropologists world-wide were quick to point out that the reproduction of facsimile "relics" and figurines in all major theological genre have undergone a distinctive inflation over the preceeding 3,000-5,000 years, tending from the original 2-3 cm Babylonian and Egyptian figures (1" equalling appx. 6 scale feet), to the grossly enlarged 6cm (1/48), 10cm (1/32), or even 20cm (1/16) icons of the Judeo-Christian period. Not only were these enlargements seen to be ungainly, but their great mass resulted in considerable neck pain and injury for the resultant 'wearer', and were thus dismissed as purely culturally-developmental in nature, and having no relevance to natural human scaling. Cheers, Erik ........................................................................ "Mr.Anchovy, perhaps you could move *towards* 'Lion Taming' via Banking, or even Insurance?..." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 11:37:25 -0600 From: Robert McAllister To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Gotha colours/lozenge Message-ID: <61A1CFAB40BDCF119B3B080009D624A80C4F2A@STERWENT> I was under the impression that most Gothas were hand-painted with a nighttime lozenge pattern after they were received at the front. When delivered their factory finish was all white or light blue. Seems I read that in the archives a while back, along with the information that someone produces a handpainted lozenge decal of the type that would be appropriate for the Gotha G V. Robert Robertm@sterwent.com -----Original Message----- From: Steve Kerry & Carol Ann Green [SMTP:metaphor@enterprise.net] Sent: Monday, April 28, 1997 11:29 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Gotha colours/lozenge Wasn't someone here talking about Gotha colours the other day? I just turned up a reference that includes a 3-view of a Gotha G IV of Kampfgeschwader 3. It has a dark olive fuselage as far back as the tail, but everything else is *white*. White wings (incl. underside), white tail, white nacelles, white rear fuselage, and a white area on the nose. Even the wheel hubs are white! There is also a photo of a Gotha G V being bombed up with 100kg and 50kg bombs. The caption adds: "Fabric with an extra large lozenge pattern was especially printed for the G-category types." Hope this is of use to someone. -- Steve Kerry Yorkshire, UK ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 12:37:43 -0500 From: "Bittner, Matthew (KTR) ~U" To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: Braille Scale Pfalz D.XII Message-ID: Alright you Braille Scale balloon heads, just thought you would like to know that Squadron is having a 24 hour email special. Go to www.squadron.com, and you'll see that the 24 hour email special is for the Blue Max Pfalz D.XII for *$19.99*. This lasts only until midnight, tonight. So, fat-finger your way over to the site, and purchase at will. Matt bittnerm@stratcom.af.mil ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 12:43:07 -0500 From: Bill Bacon To: wwi Subject: Re: The scale debate continues! Message-ID: <3364E1AB.2917@netjava.net> Erik wrote: > > On 28 Apr 97, Jesse Thorn heroically postulated: > > > Recent astronomical evidence collected by the Hubble Space Telescope and > > interpreted by the astronomy departments at MIT, CalTech, JPL, and the > > Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory has put the TRUE SCALE of the > > universe at 1/48. This is the scale in which the Universe was originally > > modeled. > > > Well, we'd better put a stop to this sort of heresy right now!.... > > > This Universal Scale Variable (USV) as it is known was defined within the > > first 1.0 x 10^^ -645 second after the start of the Big Bang. All other > > scales are relative and should therefore be treated with great > > circumspection as it is not clear at this time if current theories in > > Physics support the notion that an accurate model of ANY WWI aircraft can > > be built in 1/72nd. > > > Scientists occupying superior labs-- featuring dual-processor type > computers and much bigger monitor screens-- have been quick to refute > this claim over the following few days. The initial calculations for > the USV were made within the context of a profound chronological > error, found to be result of a number of formulae emanating from a > desultory attempt at a Constant Galactic Recession Velocity. These > inferior scientists, apparently blinded by their own scale > prejudices, were found to be using a Hubble Constant of H=48 km/sec/ > Mpc, which resulted in the spurious calculation of the total age of > the Universe at 21 billion years! Modern astrophysical research, of > course, has calculated the age of the Universe at a more likely 14-15 > billion years, the median value of which for Hubble Constant [H] is, > naturally, 72 km/sec/Mpc. > These erroneous calculations resulted in an over-estimation in the > rate of inflation in the early Universe, with the result that the > effort's USV calculation was in fact relevant to a condition of the > Universe at 1.0 x 10^^ -311 second following the Initial Singularity > (Big Bang) event. Furthermore, in a letter written to Max Planck in > 1907, Einstein confirmed the largest possible light wavelength at > 0.000072 cm, meaning that the maximum permissible rate of inflation > in the early Universe was clearly pegged at a distinctive Master > Scale pace. This Einstein Early Inflation Constant (EEIC) was later > manifest in Einstein's request for 1/72 scale Recognition Models from > the US Navy while under their war-time employ. > > > We await official position papers from the world's main religions but, it > > looks like this conclusion is in accordance with the teachings of these > > ancient and revered belief systems. > > > Socio-Anthropologists world-wide were quick to point out that the > reproduction of facsimile "relics" and figurines in all major > theological genre have undergone a distinctive inflation over the > preceeding 3,000-5,000 years, tending from the original 2-3 cm > Babylonian and Egyptian figures (1" equalling appx. 6 scale feet), to > the grossly enlarged 6cm (1/48), 10cm (1/32), or even 20cm (1/16) > icons of the Judeo-Christian period. Not only were these enlargements > seen to be ungainly, but their great mass resulted in considerable > neck pain and injury for the resultant 'wearer', and were thus > dismissed as purely culturally-developmental in nature, and having no > relevance to natural human scaling. > > Cheers, Erik > ....................................................................... > "Mr.Anchovy, perhaps you could move *towards* 'Lion Taming' via Banking, > or even Insurance?..." WOW!!!! Bill ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 11:53:17 -0700 From: hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) To: wwi Subject: Re: Gotha colours/lozenge Message-ID: Steve Kerry writes: >Wasn't someone here talking about Gotha colours the other day? I >just turned up a reference that includes a 3-view of a Gotha G IV of >Kampfgeschwader 3. It has a dark olive fuselage as far back as the >tail, but everything else is *white*. White wings (incl. underside), >white tail, white nacelles, white rear fuselage, and a white area on >the nose. Even the wheel hubs are white! > A number of Gotha G-II through G-IV machines left the factory with light colored finishes. Whether this light finish was light blue, white or cream is probably still a matter of debate, not much in the way of original fabric from any of these machines has survived. The original intention was to use these bombers during the day, hence the light colored paind, which turned out to be less than successful. >There is also a photo of a Gotha G V being bombed up with 100kg and >50kg bombs. The caption adds: "Fabric with an extra large lozenge >pattern was especially printed for the G-category types." I'd like to know which book this came from, I belive the author is seriously mistaken. The large lozenge pattern found on G and R-type machines was a hand painted one. This can be readily discerned from photos as there are no seams apparent on the fabric along the pattern, also the pattern doesn't repeat as it does with printed fabrics. Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 11:54:52 -0700 From: hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) To: wwi Subject: Re: The scale debate continues! Message-ID: >On 28 Apr 97, Jesse Thorn heroically postulated: > >> Recent astronomical evidence collected by the Hubble Space Telescope and >> interpreted by the astronomy departments at MIT, CalTech, JPL, and the <<>> >dismissed as purely culturally-developmental in nature, and having no >relevance to natural human scaling. > > Cheers, Erik >....................................................................... >"Mr.Anchovy, perhaps you could move *towards* 'Lion Taming' via Banking, >or even Insurance?..." Some folks obviously have too, too much time on their hands. Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 11:24:06 -0700 From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: Hello Sandy Message-ID: <199704281824.AA21895@ednet1.orednet.org> Sandy wrote: >> By the way, I am curious if, after 80 years, the fusalage fragment of the >> Albatros DIII #D796/17 with the yellow spots looked glossy or dull in the >> museum. It is sad that so many aircraft were captured intact and so few >> survived to this day. Museum curators should have been allowed into the >> Versailles negotiations. > >The curator at East Fortune is a WW1 enthusiast, so when I showed him >Bill's info on the plane, he let me into the storeroom, where they had >Noth's seat and some other trophies. I even got to sit in it! Also >terrific collection of photographs from the Station's anti-Zeppelin and >then airship days. If my info is what got you into the trophy room and sittin' in Noth's seat, you owe me one! Big time! :-) Cheers and regards, Bill -- - Bill Shatzer bshatzer@orednet.org - "This is the West, sir. When the legend becomes fact, print the legend." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 14:37:43 -0400 (EDT) From: aew (Allan Wright) To: wwi Subject: Administrative - ignore Message-ID: <199704281837.OAA13029@pease1.sr.unh.edu> Ignore this bogus test post. Sorry for the noise. -Al =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | You fell victim to one of the 'classic' blunders! University of New Hampshire+--------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 15:26:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Fportier@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Weekend in London Message-ID: <970428152551_-898384198@emout17.mail.aol.com> Dear Subscribers, This is just to say that I have just returned from a short weekend in London (Saturday-Sunday morning). The main purpose of my trip was to see an exhibition at the National Gallery (Sir Denis Mahon's collection) which is of special interest to me but of course I managed to go to Hannants and pick up a few goodies I thought I would write about: Joystick Nieuport 24/27, Phonix D III @ #6.25 and 6.75 respectively, both neat vacforms with good metal parts and decals of dubious accuracy but quite useable. Also a Danish Nielson & Winther Type Aa @ 10.50, a little gem of a kit with metal parts incl. a standing pilot figure+decals. There was also a Joystick Morane-Saulnier type P wich I didn't buy because I already had the CVeterans 72 resin model. All these kits are 1/72 scale of course. All in all a very satisfying trip. Best regards, Francois ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 13:42:35 -0500 From: "S.M.Sundberg" To: wwi Subject: Re: The scale debate continues! Message-ID: <3364EF9B.4C75@netins.net> Erik wrote: > > On 28 Apr 97, Jesse Thorn heroically postulated: > > > Recentsnip no > relevance to natural human scaling. > > Cheers, Erik > ....................................................................... > "Mr.Anchovy, perhaps you could move *towards* 'Lion Taming' via Banking, > or even Insurance?..." I'm from Iowa, I recognize B--ls--t when I see it. The logo on railway cars during the Great War was Forty Men or Eight Horses. Now if forty and eight isn't 48, what could the true scale be. Steve S. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 15:47:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Fportier@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Rep : Re: The scale debate continues! Message-ID: <970428154713_1288569953@emout18.mail.aol.com> You guys are missing the point. This is all a sinister Anglo-Saxon conspiracy to achieve world domination by reducing the planet to illogical scales like a shrunken Jivaro head. They will tell you that it is a tribute to the British and American inventors of the plastic scale model but don't you believe them. According to Gallic logic scales really ought to be metric: 1/25; 1/50, 1/75; and why not 1/100 or even 1/200 for Blimps and Zeps perhaps. That would double-cross the devil too. That being said all my collection is in 1/72 so I'm not likely to change anyway. (possible answer : feet and inches were also used in pre-Revolutionary France but the age of chivalry is gone) Now that should start the ball rolling! Francois ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 97 15:49:18 EDT From: Brian To: Subject: Re: The scale debate continues! Message-ID: <199704281952.PAA13486@pease1.sr.unh.edu> And the logo on the "Paris Gun" was "One Gun or 72 Men" 1/72! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 15:04:45 +0000 From: "Paul Schwartzkopf" To: wwi Subject: Re: The scale debate continues! Message-ID: <199704282012.PAA23271@tscrypt1.transcrypt.com> 1/48 or 1/72? Humbug! You guys don't know what true scale is until you build a 2/1 replica. You should see the details (talk about oversized rivets)! Now if I could only get it outa my basement . . . . Paul ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 16:28:53 -0400 From: Geoff Smith To: "INTERNET:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: The scale debate continues! Message-ID: <199704281628_MC2-158D-2AB8@compuserve.com> On Mon, 28 Apr 1997 13:37:17 Erik wrote: >On 28 Apr 97, Jesse Thorn heroically postulated: > Recent astronomical evidence collected by the Hubble Space Telescope and (Big Snip) Cheers, Erik< Only one thing to say really, Spherical objects that bounce. (BG) Regards, Geoff ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 16:56:51 -0400 From: Geoff Smith To: "INTERNET:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Rep : Re: The scale debate continues! Message-ID: <199704281655_MC2-158C-CEE7@compuserve.com> Francois wrote: >According to Gallic logic scales really ought to be metric: 1/25; 1/50, 1/75< Now at last somebody's come up with a sensible comment - we all start building in hundreds and thousands instead of ones or twos. Or perhaps we= all go to 1/10th! (BG) Anglo-Saxon logic. (VBG) Geoff PS :I think it's about time you lot stopped cluttering up the list by bickering about scale, I've just had 27 messages in 2 hours and about 4 were on other subjects, have you no consideration? Oops! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 15:35:40 -0500 From: Bill Bacon To: wwi Subject: WW1 movie Message-ID: <33650A1C.5B2@netjava.net> Friends, Looking through my TV schedule I found the following which should be of note to all. Turner Movie Clasics is showing "Flight Commander". This is the original "Dawn Patrol" with Richard Barthelmess. Real Nieuports and D-VII's, great dogfight. Set your VCR's it runs from 7pm-9pm CDT. Check you local listings. Cheers Bill ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 17:25:19 -0400 From: Jim Wallace To: wwi Subject: Don't use PolyScale over Gunze Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19970428212519.1fef3484@pop.atl.mindspring.com> I thought I'd pass this 'tip' along. When doing my N28 recently, I bought all PolyScale colors. When I went to use them, the beige was very green, so I thought I'd use some Gunze I had that was a good match as the beige base coat. Mistake. When I went to put the PolyScale over it, the PolyScale cracked, big time. On one area, I lightly sanded, which help a little, and applied many light coats to eventually cover without cracking. In another area I applied dullcote, then PolyScale which worked pretty well. I airbrushed the Gunze, and hand brushed the PS. I have heard of others having similar problems of PS not sticking to Gunze. jw ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 17:34:07 -0500 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: IPMS Regional's this weekend 5/3 Message-ID: <19970428.173408.14022.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Mon, 28 Apr 1997 09:58:17 -0400 "Joseph Gentile" writes: > Speaking of meeting list members, who will be attending the > regional's this weekend in St. Louis? I will be there. With WW1 in tow (plus a couple of others...shhhh...)... Gads, I hate it when I get juice stuck in a key... These scale thingies have gotten a bit comical, if out of hand... Help me... Matt mbittner@juno.com... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 17:35:08 -0500 From: Kevin Wenker To: wwi Subject: Re: IPMS Regional's this weekend 5/3 Message-ID: <3365261C.427C@interaccess.com> mbittner@juno.com wrote: > > > These scale thingies have gotten a bit comical, if out of hand... > > Help me... > > Matt Annual rites of spring, Matt. Now we all feel better and can get back to modelling. Reminds me of when my cat eats grass as a purgative. Besides, we haven't had one of these 'debates' for some time now. Kevin W. (Shhh...what are you taking besides WW1. I won't tell, promise.) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 08:49:24 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: IPMS Regional's this weekend 5/3 Message-ID: Kevin says: >Annual rites of spring, Matt. Ahem. Autumn here. And no silliness at all. I find myself positively apoplectic over this uncalled for outbreak of hilarity from the disolute, and beg for a little propriety in this holy place. Shane (bucking for sainthood) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 20:00:06 -0400 (EDT) From: GRBroman@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: On meeting listmembers Message-ID: <970428195900_840294845@emout18.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 97-04-28 08:59:38 EDT, you write: << Too bad for the guys who only build Luftwaffe stuff and those things with wings and no props! They just don't know what they're missing. >> I shall have you know Sir, that Matt, Alan and I, as well as several others, have been known to build things without wings and no props. They are called tanks and armored cars and balloons! :) And they are all WW I. Please don't forget those poor misguided souls who model in 1/76 ( the Armor equivalent of munchkinville) and 1/35, the manly scale for building manly tanks, where you can actually see what you are doing ;) Glen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 20:01:50 -0400 (EDT) From: GRBroman@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: IPMS Regional's this weekend 5/3 Message-ID: <970428195918_1056722749@emout15.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 97-04-28 09:58:30 EDT, you write: << Speaking of meeting list members, who will be attending the regional's this weekend in St. Louis? >> I'll be there, mit Frau und Kinder. Glen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 20:02:27 -0500 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: IPMS Regional's this weekend 5/3 Message-ID: <19970428.200929.12526.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Mon, 28 Apr 1997 20:05:58 -0400 GRBroman@aol.com writes: > I'll be there, mit Frau und Kinder. Glen So, how are we all going to meet? Here's an idea: look for things we're bringing, and hang around those areas for awhile. However, I won't be able to hang long, since I'm also hanging out with those outcasts from Des Moines. ;-) FWIW, look for my Nie.28, SSW D.III and 'Mother', all in the Scale of Hustad, of course. And I am not saying what else I'm bringing... Dang, there's that stuck key again... Matt mbittner@juno.com... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 20:04:48 -0500 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: On meeting listmembers Message-ID: <19970428.200929.12526.1.mbittner@juno.com> On Mon, 28 Apr 1997 20:04:07 -0400 GRBroman@aol.com writes: > I shall have you know Sir, that Matt, Alan and I, as well as > several others, have been known to build things without wings > and no props. They are called tanks and armored cars and > balloons! :) And they are all WW I. Please don't forget those > poor misguided souls who model in 1/76 ( the Armor equivalent of > munchkinville) and 1/35, the manly scale for building manly > tanks, where you can actually see what you are doing ;) Glen Hey, I saw perfectly as I was screwing up that Airfix kit.;-) 1/35th, like 1/48th, is way overrated. Again, no imagination needed for coming up with detail parts. Heck, most 1/35th scale kits come with everything! I can't even begin to imagine... Matt mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 21:38:32 -0400 From: bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: The scale debate continues! Message-ID: <199704290138.VAA15057@pease1.sr.unh.edu> At 04:59 PM 4/28/97 -0400, Geoff Smith wrote: >On Mon, 28 Apr 1997 13:37:17 Erik wrote: > >>On 28 Apr 97, Jesse Thorn heroically postulated: > >> Recent astronomical evidence collected by the Hubble Space Telescope and Looks like it's broke again. Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 21:38:34 -0400 From: bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: WW1 movie Message-ID: <199704290138.VAA15065@pease1.sr.unh.edu> At 05:04 PM 4/28/97 -0400, Bill Bacon wrote: >Friends, > >Looking through my TV schedule I found the following which should be of >note to all. Turner Movie Clasics is showing "Flight Commander". This >is the original "Dawn Patrol" with Richard Barthelmess. Real Nieuports >and D-VII's, great dogfight. Set your VCR's it runs from 7pm-9pm CDT. >Check you local listings. AAAAARRRRRGGGGHHHHHH! Didn't read this until 9:20! Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 21:57:19 -0400 (AST) From: Alberto Rada To: wwi Subject: Re: On meeting listmembers Message-ID: <199704290157.VAA03448@fw.true.net> Glen Could you list what's available in Armor for WW1 in the manly scale of course SALUDOS ALBERTO At 08:04 PM 28-04-97 -0400, you wrote: >In a message dated 97-04-28 08:59:38 EDT, you write: > ><< Too bad for the guys who only build Luftwaffe stuff and those things with >wings and no props! They just don't know what they're missing. >> > >I shall have you know Sir, that Matt, Alan and I, as well as several others, >have been known to build things without wings and no props. They are called >tanks and armored cars and balloons! :) And they are all WW I. Please >don't forget those poor misguided souls who model in 1/76 ( the Armor >equivalent of munchkinville) and 1/35, the manly scale for building manly >tanks, where you can actually see what you are doing ;) Glen > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 17:32:53 +0100 (BST) From: Sandy Adam To: wwi group Subject: Who were the artists? Message-ID: While I must admit I find a great many overall Luftstreitskraefte colour schemes naive, there are an astonishing number of insigniae and motifs on German and other machines which are superb in their art and craftmanship. Who painted the "La Serenissima" banners? or the 7 Swabians on the side of a DVII? While geometric coloured areas and most RFC schemes could be managed by any reasonably competent groundcrew member with some masking material, who did you ask to paint the Dragon on your Alb CIII or the Mailed Fist on your DVa? Was there a resident artist(s) on the establishment -or, like the CO of 56 Sqdrn RFC with his orchestra and musicians, did you entice artists from other military duties to be transferred? Really the question is - was it a matter of luck whether you had somebody skilled available, or was there any official line on who would be available? By WW2, Nose art had become an accepted part of team motivation but how was it viewed in 1917? I imagine Richthofen or D'Annunzio could have had Gustav Klimt or Modigliani assigned to their Squadrons if they wished - but what about the second line players? Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 21:22:24 +0100 From: pilum40@OnRamp.NET ( Stephen R. Miller) To: wwi Subject: Re: Administrative - ignore Message-ID: <199704290222.VAA05481@mailhost.onramp.net> please take me off this f@#$in' plastic modelers list...thanks Steve Miller Stephen R. Miller Government\Economics Instructor Townview Magnet Center 1201 E. 8th Street Room 256 Dallas Texas 75203 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 21:27:17 +0100 From: pilum40@OnRamp.NET ( Stephen R. Miller) To: wwi Subject: Re: German crosses. 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Miller Government\Economics Instructor Townview Magnet Center 1201 E. 8th Street Room 256 Dallas Texas 75203 ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 513 *********************