WWI Digest 512 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Corrected URL by Jim Wallace 2) Responses to DR1 questions by rnrniles@wired2.net (Russell W Niles) 3) The scale debate continues! by barrett@iplink.net (barrett) 4) Re: Revells 28th DR1 by "Fernando E. Lamas, M.D." 5) Re: The scale debate continues! by mbittner@juno.com 6) Re: Alb. C.III References? by "Robert Woodbury" 7) Re: On meeting listmembers by bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 8) Re: Revells 28th DR1 by bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 9) Re: Gotha Kits by "Bill Ciciora" 10) Re: On meeting listmembers by lothar@televar.com (mark) 11) Re: Revells 28th DR1 by Kevin Wenker 12) Re: On meeting listmembers by Kevin Wenker 13) Re: Hello Sandy by Sandy Adam 14) Re: Lindberg JN-4 by Pedro Soares 15) Re: Lindberg JN-4 by mbittner@juno.com 16) Re: Lindberg JN-4 by Bill Bacon 17) Re: On meeting listmembers by "Paul Schwartzkopf" 18) Re: Lindberg JN-4 by "Paul Schwartzkopf" 19) Re: Diplomacy & Gotha etchings by "Paul Schwartzkopf" 20) Re: Gotha Kits by "Joseph Gentile" 21) Copper State Models/Tom's Modelwerkes by "Joseph Gentile" 22) Blue Max Special at Squadron! by jsthorn@clt.mindspring.com (Jesse Thorn) 23) Re: The scale debate continues! by jsthorn@clt.mindspring.com (Jesse Thorn) 24) IPMS Regional's this weekend 5/3 by "Joseph Gentile" 25) Re: Gotha Kits by jsthorn@clt.mindspring.com (Jesse Thorn) 26) Re: The scale debate continues! by "Joseph Gentile" 27) Re: Gotha Kits by "Joseph Gentile" 28) Re: colors by aew (Allan Wright) 29) Re: The scale debate continues! by Brian Nicklas 30) Re: Lindberg JN-4 by Kevin Wenker 31) Re: The scale debate continues! by Kevin Wenker 32) Re: Lindberg JN-4 by "Paul Schwartzkopf" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 17:47:03 -0400 From: Jim Wallace To: wwi Subject: Corrected URL Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19970427214703.16f72734@pop.atl.mindspring.com> Ooops I left off the '3' on this url with my updates. Sorry http://www.mindspring.com/~jmw3 Jim Wallace ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 15:22:53 -0700 From: rnrniles@wired2.net (Russell W Niles) To: wwi Subject: Responses to DR1 questions Message-ID: <19970427222252641.AAA221@112.usr2.wired2.net> First of all, I would like to thank Tom Eisenhour, Bill Shatzer and Don Rinker for their quick response to my mail last night on the Revell DR1. I wrote it at 11:00 pdt last night, and had mail this morning after breakfast. Thanks guys, I will definitely be keeping copies of your responses in my permanent file for when I get started on the beastie. Yes Tom, I have been modeling for quite awhile. I am 51 years old, and have been a National member since the early '70's. I am not even sure when I joined National, at the beginning of Quarterly Vol 5 I think. I have copies of every IPMS/USA publication since the very beginning, either in reprint (Vol 1-3) or photo copies. (Oops, maybe I should'nt say that, you know copyright and all.) Well, guess I'll get on to work on something. I am trying to finish a H-13; only been trying for three months. You guys all know that a helicopter does'nt really fly, it just beats the air into submission. HA HA. Happy modeling. Russ Niles IPMS 4450 "Too close for missles....switching to guns." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 18:54:58 -0500 From: barrett@iplink.net (barrett) To: wwi Subject: The scale debate continues! Message-ID: Kevin W. and Geoff on 1/72 scale: >> Must be embarrassing for 1/72 modellers though. "Oooh, it's so >> small!!!!!". :-) > >Unfortunately, every 1/72 modeller thinks that's the BIG scale. They >just can't understand all the snickers. Hmmmmm... Don't know if I want to jump in on this one - could start getting messy. How about you, Matt? Kevin B. (proudly 1/72) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 16:34:47 -0700 (PDT) From: "Fernando E. Lamas, M.D." To: wwi Subject: Re: Revells 28th DR1 Message-ID: <199704272334.QAA10501@olympus.net> Don Rinker wrote: >In reality , the real Dr-1 rear lg strut leg attaches to the fuselage, but >not >at the longeron line where you would hink, but partly up the side. To >compensate >for this the lower Dr-1 wing has "notches" in full size about 5" x 10" from >the leading >edge back along the wiong/fuse joining line. This allows the leg strut to >go up past >the wing and attache at the fuse. You almost have to see one in real life >to pick >up on this. In all the old photos, this area is always in deep shade. Russ Niles wrote: >I particularly want to do Kempf's bird. I was finally able to hunt down a copy of Alex Imrie's out of print Fokker Triplane book and it is excellent. Don's point is well illustrated on photograph #135. The book also points out that several triplanes in Jasta 2 (Boelcke), including Kempf's 231/17, were field modified with two auxiliary sruts made from rods which extended from the rear strut of the undercarriage to a few inches before the trailing edge of the axle wing fairing. At the appropriate incidence, the wing fairing provided additional lift with minimum drag. However, they tended to work loose with operational use thereby changing the incidence which then adversely affected the aircraft's performance. Jasta 36 automatically modified all it's triplanes as soon as they received them with struts of a standard pattern. Jasta 2 apparently added the struts on an individual basis once a fairing showed signs of loosening since not all it's triplanes had them and and the struts were not exactly alike. These struts were uncommon except in these two Jastas. Fernando Lamas ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 19:02:48 -0500 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: The scale debate continues! Message-ID: <19970427.190420.4022.1.mbittner@juno.com> On Sun, 27 Apr 1997 18:51:04 -0400 barrett@iplink.net (barrett) writes: > Don't know if I want to jump in on this one - could start > getting messy. How about you, Matt? Well, since I had a "hardward" failure, I lost all messages between 1:30pm Friday (Central time), and 6:30pm today. Anybody care to enlighten me why Braille Scale builders *think* their scale is superior? Matt mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 08:52:13 +0800 From: "Robert Woodbury" To: Subject: Re: Alb. C.III References? Message-ID: <199704280048.IAA23163@cronus.per.dwr.csiro.au> Hi David, I knew I should have asked you guys first! That would be great if you could ask Shane for me. If need be I can photocopy it here at work. Thanks, Rob. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 21:09:16 -0400 From: bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: On meeting listmembers Message-ID: <199704280109.VAA08928@pease1.sr.unh.edu> It's a little hard for me to understand. This is the only e-mail I ever get, except for the occasional notice from my server that they promise to fix things. I can't imagine lists that contain assholes who"flame" other people on the list. I guess I'm just spoiled! Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 21:19:04 -0400 From: bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Revells 28th DR1 Message-ID: <199704280119.VAA09011@pease1.sr.unh.edu> At 01:47 AM 4/27/97 -0400, Russell W Niles wrote: >Greetings boys and girls. I have been out here lurking in the shadows for >about three weeks now and since I need a little help, I thought I oughta >un-cloak and introduce myself. Greetings Russ God, you had to go and start up the Great Scale Wars again! ;-)) I just sit around and buils in 1/72 and 1/48. The only real difference to me is that I can at least try to rig the 1/48. Someday, before my eyesight totally goes, I'm going to try and rig a 1/72. I just got the ceramic rigging wire and it looks promising. On painting the triplane, everyone has made good suggestions. For what it's worth, here what I do. Clear doped linen overall. Then for the upper and side green surfaces I've been using Model Masters sable brown metallic that has been allowed to "settle"(i.e. do not shake it up.) The top part looks good when applied. I use a brush that my wife got for doing stained glass windows...very stiff. The Imrie book as well as the triplane datafile special give some good painting tips on the angle of the brush strokes, etc. HTH Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 20:26:45 -0500 From: "Bill Ciciora" To: Subject: Re: Gotha Kits Message-ID: Geoff asked: > BTW, anybody know where these Gotha kits lurk then? Your best bet is at modelling shows/swap meets. You might be able to find one at a reasonable price. Go for a 700-series kit, as these have all the decal locator markings removed. If you're worried about exact shape accuracy for the components, you'll be better off scratchbuilding the whole thing. The moulds for this kit were cut in 1958. The drawings used to make the moulds were not the most accurate. To me, it's a classic kit that can be made better with a nice photoetch set. Bill C. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 20:05:25 -0700 (PDT) From: lothar@televar.com (mark) To: wwi Subject: Re: On meeting listmembers Message-ID: <199704280305.UAA14699@concord.televar.com> Mike sayeth: > It's a little hard for me to understand. This is the only e-mail I >ever get, except for the occasional notice from my server that they promise >to fix things. I can't imagine lists that contain assholes who"flame" other >people on the list. I guess I'm just spoiled! >Mike Muth Well, me too. This is also the only list I subscibe to, though I'll occasionally drop in on other newsgroups just to see what's going on - and usually, what's going on is some sort of flame war conducted by people with the temperament and maturity of spoiled 3 year olds. The conclusion I've drawn is that many, perhaps even most, of the newsgroups/mailing lists, etc. serve the same purpose as hate-talk radio (an American phenomenon that our brethren in other lands should be grateful they haven't experienced!); i.e, a high-tech method of venting ones spleen to the whole world, spreading scurillous rumors and bogus "facts", all while retaining some degree of anonymity. It is indeed a testimony to the class of people on this list that we are so different. After all, any Bubba out there can throw together an F-15 or P-51, but it takes a gentleman & scholar to build WWI. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 22:35:37 -0500 From: Kevin Wenker To: wwi Subject: Re: Revells 28th DR1 Message-ID: <33641B09.3F15@interaccess.com> Mary-Ann/Michael wrote: > > Greetings Russ > God, you had to go and start up the Great Scale Wars again! ;-)) I Ah, it's just been a slow weekend. Sorta breakup the monotony. Kevin W. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 22:43:07 -0500 From: Kevin Wenker To: wwi Subject: Re: On meeting listmembers Message-ID: <33641CCB.3BA0@interaccess.com> mark wrote: > > Mike sayeth: > > > It's a little hard for me to understand. This is the only e-mail I > >ever get, except for the occasional notice from my server that they promise > >to fix things. I can't imagine lists that contain assholes who"flame" other > >people on the list. I guess I'm just spoiled! > >Mike Muth > I'm also a fly fisherman, er, person, and belong to that newsgroup. You just would not believe the abuse they take and dish out there. What is even more amazing, there are several who take pride in how vitrolic and abusive they can be. You would think that sportsman (supposedly) who follow a gentle pursuit (purportedly) would demonstrate a spirit of cooperation and tolerance (hardly). I read the posts about fishing reports and then tune it out. Over there it's ask a question and get burned by 20 people. Offer an answer and get burned by 100. Well, time to take off my hair shirt and consider building a 1/72 Albatros. Actually, I have a whole slew of 1/144 that I use for gaming. Talk about crazy, I even hand painted Voss's markings and did Udet's 'Lo' D VII with the lettering on the elevator. That's why I'm blind (contrary to other rumors ;)). Kevin W. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 10:47:50 +0100 (BST) From: Sandy Adam To: "Fernando E. Lamas, M.D." Subject: Re: Hello Sandy Message-ID: On Sun, 27 Apr 1997, Fernando E. Lamas, M.D. wrote: > I plan to order the Americal-Gryphon catalog (I have the address) as the > archives on the WW I page say the same thing. If you want to order > anything, let me know and I can mail it to you via personal mail to the U.K. Many thanks Fernando - I may take you up on that. > > Does that mean you have to scratch-build the lower tailplane? Sometimes Sierra do upper and lower tailplane halves, sometimes only upper - for scale thickness, upper only looks good but you need to add some underside rib detail - I find strips of decal represent rib tapes quite well, without having to go any further, but you can if you wish. I mention the wings as some inferior vac kits (Falcon BE2 for ex) only give upper wing half and you need to build up the lower detail quite a bit. On some aircraft with very thin wings (Fokker DII etc) Sierra suggest you may only wish to use the upper half, but supply a lower as well. This is the one tiresome part of vac- forms: scraping the wing-half trailing edges. As Sierra recommend, use a ROUND bladed knife - even a sharp penknife or Swiss Army knife will do and scrape and scrape and scrape. This is tiresome but an evening will do it and against that, the ease with which you pop out the fuselage halves etc is amazing. AND you get lovely thin fuselage walls without all the scraping required in most injected kits. Do give it a try - and the range of subjects is fantastic. I bought all Bob's Austrian subjects in his sale (and got clobbered by Import Duty) - Fantastic subjects - where else would you get them? > By the way, I am curious if, after 80 years, the fusalage fragment of the > Albatros DIII #D796/17 with the yellow spots looked glossy or dull in the > museum. It is sad that so many aircraft were captured intact and so few > survived to this day. Museum curators should have been allowed into the > Versailles negotiations. The curator at East Fortune is a WW1 enthusiast, so when I showed him Bill's info on the plane, he let me into the storeroom, where they had Noth's seat and some other trophies. I even got to sit in it! Also terrific collection of photographs from the Station's anti-Zeppelin and then airship days. The Albatros section is very dull and the yellow spots are obviously hand-painted - you can see the brush marks. Difficult to tell if it was glossy to begin with but somehow I doubt it. (If you don't mind I'll copy this to the rest of the list, as the last bit might be of interest.) Good modelling with the vacs - and if I can be of any help just let me know. Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 11:14:52 +0200 From: Pedro Soares To: wwi Subject: Re: Lindberg JN-4 Message-ID: <33646A8C.2DBD@anaep.pt> Bill Bacon wrote: > > Charles and Paul, > > I have the official erection instructions Do you really need intructions for THAT??? Sorry, couldn't help it. ;-> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 06:35:55 -0500 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Lindberg JN-4 Message-ID: <19970428.063556.13342.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Mon, 28 Apr 1997 06:20:59 -0400 Pedro Soares writes: >> I have the official erection instructions > >Do you really need intructions for THAT??? > > >Sorry, couldn't help it. ;-> ROTFL!!! Matt mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 07:37:23 -0500 From: Bill Bacon To: wwi Subject: Re: Lindberg JN-4 Message-ID: <33649A03.5D4A@netjava.net> mbittner@juno.com wrote: > > On Mon, 28 Apr 1997 06:20:59 -0400 Pedro Soares > writes: > > >> I have the official erection instructions > > > >Do you really need intructions for THAT??? > > > > > >Sorry, couldn't help it. ;-> > > ROTFL!!! > > Matt > mbittner@juno.com Who knows? Somebody might need them. For those who do, no charge. Someday I'll learn to read what I write. Cheers, Bill ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 07:57:12 +0000 From: "Paul Schwartzkopf" To: wwi Subject: Re: On meeting listmembers Message-ID: <199704281305.IAA21169@tscrypt1.transcrypt.com> Mark wrote: > Well, me too. This is also the only list I subscibe to, though I'll > occasionally drop in on other newsgroups just to see what's going on - and > usually, what's going on is some sort of flame war conducted by people with > the temperament and maturity of spoiled 3 year olds. The conclusion I've > drawn is that many, perhaps even most, of the newsgroups/mailing lists, etc. > serve the same purpose as hate-talk radio (an American phenomenon that our > brethren in other lands should be grateful they haven't experienced!); i.e, > a high-tech method of venting ones spleen to the whole world, spreading > scurillous rumors and bogus "facts", all while retaining some degree of > anonymity. It is indeed a testimony to the class of people on this list > that we are so different. After all, any Bubba out there can throw together > an F-15 or P-51, but it takes a gentleman & scholar to build WWI. > > Mark How true. I *briefly* subscribed to a list for C/C++ programmers. I dropped it within a week because of all the name calling and put downs going on. These guys seemed like they were actually going out for blood! They all seemed to have an ego problem, considering themselves as the only expert ever born. I find the ribbing between the 1/72 and 1/48 guys on this list to be good natured and all in good fun. I think it is because we all support modeling from a unique period in history, and are in a minority of model builders. Too bad for the guys who only build Luftwaffe stuff and those things with wings and no props! They just don't know what they're missing. Paul ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 08:06:45 +0000 From: "Paul Schwartzkopf" To: wwi Subject: Re: Lindberg JN-4 Message-ID: <199704281314.IAA21210@tscrypt1.transcrypt.com> > Bill Bacon wrote: > > > > Charles and Paul, > > > > I have the official erection instructions And Pedro responded: > > Do you really need intructions for THAT??? > > > Sorry, couldn't help it. ;-> > Don't need the instructions for myself, I was merely going to correct them for others to follow! All kidding aside, Bill, I have a re-print of the JN-4 manual that includes assembly and some rigging diagrams. I also have several drawings that show *most* of the rigging (I believe drawn by William Wylam?). Thanks for the offer. I will let you know if I decide I don't have enough info myself. Paul ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 08:10:13 +0000 From: "Paul Schwartzkopf" To: wwi Subject: Re: Diplomacy & Gotha etchings Message-ID: <199704281318.IAA21227@tscrypt1.transcrypt.com> Kevin: I have your mailing address from a previous posting. I will try to make copies this week of the Gotha data I have and send them to you. Paul ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 08:15:44 -0500 From: "Joseph Gentile" To: Subject: Re: Gotha Kits Message-ID: <199704281324.IAA03814@Walden.MO.NET> Bill's response: > Your best bet is at modelling shows/swap meets. You might be able to find > one at a reasonable price. Go for a 700-series kit, as these have all the > decal locator markings removed. To me, it's a classic kit that can be made better with a nice photoetch > set. In the latest Windsock vol. 13, No. 2 there is a blurb in the products section on page 28 about a Gotha G.V. scheduled for production by a Czech company named Hippo. The medium being resin and scale of course being in the preffered 1/48. The mention of this news is literally the last two words following a review on an Aviatik D.I kit which is as usual lavishly praised by the editor. Nevertheless, a new large scale Gotha rumor is started. For those less patient souls I can recommend the 1/72 scale Rareplanes Gotha G.IV., G.V. It's old, It's a vac but it looks much better than the Aurora/KB kit. Oh, yeah one can also pick up this kit for $8.00 from RollModels. Joe Gentile ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 08:23:18 -0500 From: "Joseph Gentile" To: "WWI Mail list" Subject: Copper State Models/Tom's Modelwerkes Message-ID: <199704281324.IAA03818@Walden.MO.NET> Has Copper State bought out Tom's WWI line? I thought I read something about this somewhere. Maybe I am hallucinating again (must be the Haggis and malt chasers) Windsock vol.13, No. 2 has another blurb this time stating that Copper State is releasing a Pfalz D.XII and Halberstadt Cl.IV later this year. Both in resin and in 1/48. I can't see anybody making new molds of these two best sellers. It must be Mr. Harrison's stuff. Joe ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 09:22:04 -0400 (EDT) From: jsthorn@clt.mindspring.com (Jesse Thorn) To: wwi Subject: Blue Max Special at Squadron! Message-ID: The Bruce Beamish email special for the day is the Blue Max Pfalz D.XII kit in 1/48 scale for only $19.99 !!!! This is a nice looking kit and usually goes for $49.95. Highly recommended to Devotees of the One True Scale. Check out: http://www.squadron.com/24hour.html --Jesse ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 09:44:40 -0400 (EDT) From: jsthorn@clt.mindspring.com (Jesse Thorn) To: wwi Subject: Re: The scale debate continues! Message-ID: Recent astronomical evidence collected by the Hubble Space Telescope and interpreted by the astronomy departments at MIT, CalTech, JPL, and the Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory has put the TRUE SCALE of the universe at 1/48. This is the scale in which the Universe was originally modeled. This Universal Scale Variable (USV) as it is known was defined within the first 1.0 x 10^^ -645 second after the start of the Big Bang. All other scales are relative and should therefore be treated with great circumspection as it is not clear at this time if current theories in Physics support the notion that an accurate model of ANY WWI aircraft can be built in 1/72nd. We await official position papers from the world's main religions but, it looks like this conclusion is in accordance with the teachings of these ancient and revered belief systems. Cheers, Jesse ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 08:55:43 -0500 From: "Joseph Gentile" To: "WWI Mail list" Subject: IPMS Regional's this weekend 5/3 Message-ID: <199704281357.IAA08714@Walden.MO.NET> Speaking of meeting list members, who will be attending the regional's this weekend in St. Louis? Joe Gentile ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 09:54:59 -0400 (EDT) From: jsthorn@clt.mindspring.com (Jesse Thorn) To: wwi Subject: Re: Gotha Kits Message-ID: >Bill's response: >In the latest Windsock vol. 13, No. 2 there is a blurb in the products >section on page 28 about a Gotha G.V. scheduled for production by a Czech >company named Hippo. The medium being resin and scale of course being in >the preffered 1/48. The mention of this news is literally the last two Any mention of price or projected release date?!?!?! Was there a phone number or email address? Thanks, --Jesse ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 09:13:13 -0500 From: "Joseph Gentile" To: Subject: Re: The scale debate continues! Message-ID: <199704281416.JAA11473@Walden.MO.NET> ROTFL... Being bi-scaler and not nearly retentive as others I must admit that this is got to be one of the best arguments from either camp. It is scientifically supported, well documented and if nothing else damn creative. ---------- > From: Jesse Thorn > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: The scale debate continues! > Date: Monday, April 28, 1997 8:49 AM > > Recent astronomical evidence collected by the Hubble Space Telescope and > interpreted by the astronomy departments at MIT, CalTech, JPL, and the > Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory has put the TRUE SCALE of the > universe at 1/48. This is the scale in which the Universe was originally > modeled. > > This Universal Scale Variable (USV) as it is known was defined within the > first 1.0 x 10^^ -645 second after the start of the Big Bang. All other > scales are relative and should therefore be treated with great > circumspection as it is not clear at this time if current theories in > Physics support the notion that an accurate model of ANY WWI aircraft can > be built in 1/72nd. > > We await official position papers from the world's main religions but, it > looks like this conclusion is in accordance with the teachings of these > ancient and revered belief systems. > > Cheers, > Jesse > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 09:19:50 -0500 From: "Joseph Gentile" To: Subject: Re: Gotha Kits Message-ID: <199704281420.JAA12194@Walden.MO.NET> Jesse, this is what I have. I may try and contact Silverbird and see what shakes from there. JJG Hippo Models K H Machy 574/372, 434 01 Most, Czech republic ---------- > From: Jesse Thorn > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Gotha Kits > Date: Monday, April 28, 1997 9:02 AM > > >Bill's response: > > >In the latest Windsock vol. 13, No. 2 there is a blurb in the products > >section on page 28 about a Gotha G.V. scheduled for production by a Czech > >company named Hippo. The medium being resin and scale of course being in > >the preffered 1/48. The mention of this news is literally the last two > > > Any mention of price or projected release date?!?!?! Was there a phone > number or email address? > > Thanks, > --Jesse > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 10:35:23 -0400 (EDT) From: aew (Allan Wright) To: harry8@execpc.com (Jim Walton) Cc: wwi Subject: Re: colors Message-ID: <199704281435.KAA11514@pease1.sr.unh.edu> harry8@execpc.com (Jim Walton) writes: > I'm painting 1/285 scale WWI aircraft for miniature gaming. I > don't feel like painting lozenges at that scale and need some reasonably > historically accurate alternatives. I would appreciate your answering, > or directing me to someone who might answer the following questions: > 1. Did the German "Flying Circus" planes have camouflage > patterns on the upper wing surfaces, or were they also painted in various > individual colors? I have seen non-lozenge camouflage patterns on > various planes but am unable to come up with the colors and to which > Jastas or JG's they belonged. > 2. Can you tell me the name of a book that shows RFC squadron > markings? > I've done a pretty good job of looking for the above at > Milwaukee's public library but have had no luck. Any info you can give > me would be very much appreciated. Jim, 'Most' German aircraft has at least a few planes that didn't carry lozenge. On the types that were lozenged from the factory the exceptions would usually be 'ACE' markings, but what the hey right? One notable exception would be the Siemens Schuker planes, I can't think of many that would be without lozenge. As far as references, there are many. The Squadron Signal books should be redilly available in your area at most hobby shops. The 'Best' references would probably be the Windsock Datafile series, but might be a bit pricy for your purposes. Feel free to check MY WWW page for some ideas, there are plenty of aircraft pictures in the Images section. I'm cc'ing the WWI Modeling Mailing list on this e-mail. Many of the members of the list are 'experts' in the field of WWI Modeling and will have other good advice to offer. Keep at it! Allan Wright - WWI Mailing list / WWW Page administrator Note to WWI List: This person is not on the list. Please add him explicitly to any replies. =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | You fell victim to one of the 'classic' blunders! University of New Hampshire+--------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 97 10:56:46 EDT From: Brian Nicklas To: Subject: Re: The scale debate continues! Message-ID: <199704281500.LAA11661@pease1.sr.unh.edu> I smell a bogus report... The Smithsonian recognizes 1/16 scale as the official scale, they use 1/72 AND 1/48 as realistic scale when 1/16 is just too darn big! Brian Nicklas National Air and Space Museum Smithsonian Institution ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 10:12:51 -0500 From: Kevin Wenker To: wwi Subject: Re: Lindberg JN-4 Message-ID: <3364BE73.109B@interaccess.com> mbittner@juno.com wrote: > > On Mon, 28 Apr 1997 06:20:59 -0400 Pedro Soares > writes: > > >> I have the official erection instructions > > > >Do you really need intructions for THAT??? > > > > > >Sorry, couldn't help it. ;-> > > ROTFL!!! > > Matt > mbittner@juno.com Us Braille scalers need instructions for EVERYTHING. Sort of a hands-on approach. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 10:22:11 -0500 From: Kevin Wenker To: wwi Subject: Re: The scale debate continues! Message-ID: <3364C0A3.4E4A@interaccess.com> Jesse Thorn wrote: > > Recent astronomical evidence collected by the Hubble Space Telescope and > interpreted by the astronomy departments at MIT, CalTech, JPL, and the > Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory has put the TRUE SCALE of the > universe at 1/48. This is the scale in which the Universe was originally > modeled. > > This Universal Scale Variable (USV) as it is known was defined within the > first 1.0 x 10^^ -645 second after the start of the Big Bang. All other > scales are relative and should therefore be treated with great > circumspection as it is not clear at this time if current theories in > Physics support the notion that an accurate model of ANY WWI aircraft can > be built in 1/72nd. > > We await official position papers from the world's main religions but, it > looks like this conclusion is in accordance with the teachings of these > ancient and revered belief systems. > > Cheers, > Jesse Judeo-Christian theology, while divergent at many points, agree on this also. There were 12 tribes of Israel and 12 Apostles. There are 4 corners of the earth. 4 times 12 is 48. Theology is firm that the multiplier cannot be 6 as that is the number of the Devil/Anti-christ/Evil/One less than God. 6 times 12 is 72. Thus the latter is an Evil number. The One True Faith is 48 scale. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 10:34:09 +0000 From: "Paul Schwartzkopf" To: wwi Subject: Re: Lindberg JN-4 Message-ID: <199704281542.KAA21945@tscrypt1.transcrypt.com> > mbittner@juno.com wrote: > > > > On Mon, 28 Apr 1997 06:20:59 -0400 Pedro Soares > > writes: > > > > >> I have the official erection instructions > > > > > >Do you really need intructions for THAT??? > > > > > > > > >Sorry, couldn't help it. ;-> > > > > ROTFL!!! > > > > Matt > > mbittner@juno.com > > Us Braille scalers need instructions for EVERYTHING. Sort of a hands-on > approach. > Sounds like you guys have been reading too much of "My name is Bob...I'm a modeler" on IPMS/Houston's great Web page in the Humor section. Paul ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 512 *********************