WWI Digest 506 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Public Library gem: " Legend, Memory & the Great War in the Air" by Michelle and Rory Goodwin 2) Re: Lonestar models by Carlos Valdes 3) Re: Welcome back! by "Gerald P. McOsker" 4) Re: Glencoe Pfalz by Michelle and Rory Goodwin 5) Re: IPMS Judging by "Bill Ciciora" 6) Re: IPMS Judging by "Bill Ciciora" 7) Re: Fokker Dr.I/References by mbittner@juno.com 8) Re: IPMS Judging by mbittner@juno.com 9) Re: About this contest. . . by mbittner@juno.com 10) Alb. C.III References? by "Robert Woodbury" 11) Newbie (please be gentle) by JimAlley@aol.com 12) Re: Your Basic non-Joe Camel by Michelle and Rory Goodwin 13) Re: by Alberto Rada 14) Re: Gotha Photoetch by "Bill Ciciora" 15) Re: IPMS Judging by "Bill Ciciora" 16) books by "Erik" 17) Re: About this contest ... by "Bill Ciciora" 18) Re: Newbie (please be gentle) by hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) 19) Re: IPMS Judging by Frank Landrus 20) Re: Alb. C.III References? by bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 21) Re: Newbie (please be gentle) by bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 22) Re: Newbie (please be gentle) by Bill Bacon 23) Re: Newbie (please be gentle) by BStett3770@aol.com 24) Re: books by Carlos Valdes 25) Re: Public Library gem: " Legend, Memory & the Great War in the Air" by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 26) Re: Lonestar models by "S.M. Head" 27) Re: test message by Michelle and Rory Goodwin 28) Aurora Pfalz instructions by "Mark Alan Johnson" 29) Re: books by hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) 30) Re: Gotha Photoetch by Kevin Wenker 31) Modest Proposal re test merssages by "Rob " ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 16:14:10 -0700 From: Michelle and Rory Goodwin To: wwi Subject: Public Library gem: " Legend, Memory & the Great War in the Air" Message-ID: <335E97C2.388D@ricochet.net> This title was found while rooting around in the local branch of the county library. An excellent Smithsonian general interest book which contains current (look like Datafile drawings by Ian Stair or ?) 1/72 plans for Fokker D.VII, Spad XIII and Voisin VIII (?) as well as color photos of D.VII, Stropp Albatros, Pfalz D.XII, Snipe and Voisin. Also has a few interesting b&ws of Halberstadt Cl.II and crew bombing up and in gas masks and Gothas at Gontrode (sp?) among others. The Librarian -- Shelley and Riordan Goodwin Visit our websites: Riordan's Wings of Revolution: http://www.serve.com/rgoodwin Shelley's Jewelry Gifts: http://www.silkroadjewels.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 19:27:19 -0400 From: Carlos Valdes To: wwi Subject: Re: Lonestar models Message-ID: <335E9AD6.51C2@conted.gatech.edu> Sandy, I just tried their homepage and got on right away http://www.lonestarmodels.com/ Their email address is lsmodels@ix.netcom.com Carlos ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 19:39:44 -0400 From: "Gerald P. McOsker" To: wwi Subject: Re: Welcome back! Message-ID: Yo!- Its so good to see you dudes back in the line. I know that carpal tunnel syndrom is associated with these mystical machines- now we have another malady WWI List withdrawal- endless rebooting, cursing of ISPs, its like being told you can't go out and play after supper in July- Welcome back Al you were more than missed, Gerry- We play Yale in Cricket on Saturday- its the Somme all over again. Gerry McOsker- Newport Rhode Island. "The whole dream of democracy is to raise the proletarian to the level of stupidity attained by the bourgeois" Gistave Flaubert or is it to lower the bourgeoise to the level of stupidity enjoyed by the underclass? ...machs nicht! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 16:23:46 -0700 From: Michelle and Rory Goodwin To: wwi Subject: Re: Glencoe Pfalz Message-ID: <335E9A02.5E4A@ricochet.net> Mark Alan Johnson wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > I'm working on the Glencoe Pfalz D-III and I was wondering if anyone > could make and send me a copy of the original Aurora instructions. > I'll gladly pay for labor and postage. You see, I have no earthly > idea where the ground crewman goes or exactly what he is doing to be > in that hellish pose. > > Mark Johnson Mark, Ive got a copy of an ancient article on "corrections" to this kit by Ray Rimel. If you are up for major surgery, post your mailing address. Riordan -- Shelley and Riordan Goodwin Visit our websites: Riordan's Wings of Revolution: http://www.serve.com/rgoodwin Shelley's Jewelry Gifts: http://www.silkroadjewels.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 18:58:41 -0500 From: "Bill Ciciora" To: Subject: Re: IPMS Judging Message-ID: Eli wrote: > There is a published IPMS Judges Handbook which is known to those who > regularly judge at the US Nationals. It should be better known then it is, > but has largely been a personal publishing project of Wayne Wachsmuth. > Wayne is the head judge emeritus of IPMS-USA. Thanks for the info, Eli. I guess now I'll have to spring for IPMS membership so I can get info on the Handbook. More of curiosity than anything; I'll not turn into a trophy-hound. Bill C. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 19:11:33 -0500 From: "Bill Ciciora" To: Subject: Re: IPMS Judging Message-ID: Kevin W. wrote: > Funny isn't it. I have NO sour grapes about the show. My satisfaction > was the compliments I received from you and a couple other guys who know > WW I - that was a real high for me. Anyway, what's funny is that I took > 2nd about a year ago at the big Northern Ill IPMS meet with my SE5a - > and the reason it took second? - Dull finish. Can you beat that. So, I > make the D III glossy and it shoulda been dull. Yeah, that is funny. Really hits home on my #2 from the beginning of the thread: the difficulty of getting IPMS judges that are competent to judge WWI. As Eli pointed out, anyone who is competent probably has an entry in the category, and that *would* be extremely bad form to judge same category. Is it considered bad form to include a picture of the aircraft you're modelling in your display? It would at least clear up misconceptions about finish. > So, now that I've stopped banging my head against the wall, I'll > start on my next project - the Gotha D V. (I'm thinking of adding > some Blackburn maker's marks to it ). Talk about liking pain. I was unaware of a Gotha fighter kit - who makes it? Seriously, maybe I'll have my DH-10A (complete with Blackburn decals ;) ready by then, so we can have a "big iron" face-off. Bill C. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 19:28:49 -0500 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Fokker Dr.I/References Message-ID: <19970423.193950.9062.2.mbittner@juno.com> On Wed, 23 Apr 1997 11:06:11 -0400 Sandy Adam writes: > I don't have the figures to hand but I thought Collishaw was the > highest scoring Triplane ace. Not this one again. I thought we came to the conclusion last year that Jacobs was the leading Triplane ace. Bring up those lists again. Matt mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 19:39:39 -0500 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: IPMS Judging Message-ID: <19970423.193950.9062.6.mbittner@juno.com> On Wed, 23 Apr 1997 18:44:26 -0400 lothar@televar.com (mark) writes: > Well, perhaps we could do a "virtual" WWI contest by sending in > photos of our best stuff (limited to 2 or 3 entries per person) > to Al. Despite his known preference for 1/72, I think we can all > agree that he would be an impartial - as well as exceedingly > well informed - judge. Photos of the winning entries (2nd and > 3rd place finishers too, perhaps) could then be posted to the > web site. I think that each category (e.g., British single seat > fighter, German 2 seaters, Allied tanks, etc...) should then be > subdivided into "Best 1/48' and "Best 1/72". Gads, that's a great idea! However, I have an idea who's going to take the best 1/72nd...;-) Matt mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 19:37:27 -0500 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: About this contest. . . Message-ID: <19970423.193950.9062.5.mbittner@juno.com> On Wed, 23 Apr 1997 11:08:25 -0400 Patrick Padovan writes: Although it is Braille Scale, I have built it, so I thought I could answer this one. > I have a couple of more questions that I'm hoping someone may be > able to answer: is DML going out of the WWI a/c line, or have > they stopped production of their current WWI kits? (I've seen > many references to, "get the DML kits while you can.) Is anybody > bothered by the inacurate horizontal tail/elevator outline of > the DML tripe? If so, how do you deal with it? Live with it? > Scratch a new one? (Shudder!) Is there a replacement available? > What about the Blue Max tripe? Anybody on the list build one of > those? I'd be very interested to hear your opinions. I corrected the outline, and it wasn't difficult. Just use the 1/48th scale plans. All it takes is some sanding. I also have the Blue Max Tripe. If you don't have it, don't buy it. The DML is far better. The only thing that would be worth a very cheap price on the Blue Max is the engine. Another item worth a cheap price on the Blue Max kit is the decals for Voss' F.I. Matt mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 08:43:54 +0800 From: "Robert Woodbury" To: Subject: Alb. C.III References? Message-ID: <199704240040.IAA25735@cronus.per.dwr.csiro.au> G'Day from Downunder, I'm trying to track down some references on the Alb. C.III. I'm currently working on the Eduard kit of said aircraft. But other than the unavailable Windsock datafile, I'm not having much success. If someone has a spare copy of the Windsock publication that they would be willing to part with or maybe photocopy? TIA Rob W. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 21:04:54 -0400 (EDT) From: JimAlley@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Newbie (please be gentle) Message-ID: <970423210319_-2036185967@emout05.mail.aol.com> >Well, perhaps we could do a "virtual" WWI contest by sending in photos of >our best stuff (limited to 2 or 3 entries per person) to Al. I'm new to this list, so please forgive my forwardness in jumping in here, but this sounds like an interesting idea. One problem that occurs to me, though, is that it could easily (and quite naturally) become a contest for _photos_ of models -- meaning that the best _photo_ might stand higher than the best model. Is this an issue? Whatever, I'd like to see it happen, especially if we can all see the results. Now I have an embarrassingly novice question: Why do many decals for WWI British aircraft supply the red center of the roundel as a separate item? While working on a 1/72 of the R.E.8 recently, I lost this tiny red dot somewhere in the bristles of a brush (and was not amused). The Camel kit being discussed hereabouts even has the white part as a separate item? Is there a reason for this? Jim Alley ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 18:05:44 -0700 From: Michelle and Rory Goodwin To: wwi Subject: Re: Your Basic non-Joe Camel Message-ID: <335EB1E8.6A8B@ricochet.net> BStett3770@aol.com wrote: > > Hi Guys, > > I checked out the current Revell / Monogram listings > The Monogram Camel is out of production at this date. > > Still some to be found in shops or the swap meets. > > Sorry it's not good news. > > Barry > Rosemont Hobby > PS No I don't have any., so this wasn't a sales pitch. They are quite pricey in my neck-o-the-woods at 16-$20 US. Is this a Revell Germany issue? Riordan -- Shelley and Riordan Goodwin Visit our websites: Riordan's Wings of Revolution: http://www.serve.com/rgoodwin Shelley's Jewelry Gifts: http://www.silkroadjewels.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 21:15:48 -0400 (AST) From: Alberto Rada To: wwi Subject: Re: Message-ID: <199704240115.VAA12212@fw.true.net> Mark It's the front cover of Windsock Int. Vol 12 NO. 1 Jan/Feb 1996 You won't believe that that's a 1/48 figure SALUDOS ALBERTO At 06:44 PM 23-04-97 -0400, you wrote: > >> Good evening, one and all [especially newcomers!!]! >> Recently I bought a pair of WW1 figures [in the Scale of Kings, >>of course 80)] from an outfit called Jaguar: German pilot and crew [GD- >>48002]. Never heard of them before, but they are well worth buying. Resin, >>superb detail, excellent moulding, very clean finish. > >Mick - > >Is the pilot seated or standing? Where did you find them, and do you have >an address for Jaguar? Since I seem to be one of the few who does pilot >figures, I'd be very interested in these... > >Mark > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 20:32:46 -0500 From: "Bill Ciciora" To: Subject: Re: Gotha Photoetch Message-ID: Kevin W. wrote: > I just got a machine to do photoetching What would it cost me for a copy of that photoetch set? Bill C. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 20:37:38 -0500 From: "Bill Ciciora" To: Subject: Re: IPMS Judging Message-ID: Brian wrote: > must have been a field modification! You did get the bloke > who made it to subscribe so he could learn didn't you? Yeah, must have been cannibalizing a couple of crashed aircraft, yeah, that's the ticket . I think Kevin was able to get his Win95 comm problems resolved, but we never gave him the URL or subscription instructions. I'll probably see him at a Midwest C&C meeting and correct that oversight. Bill C. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 18:48:09 +0000 From: "Erik" To: wwi Subject: books Message-ID: <199704240150.SAA01044@glinda.oz.net> Greetings All, I just received a new WWI Book list from Paul Gaudette, and thought I might pass along some of the goodies. Of course, the list is FAR too big to type in, so if you have a title in particular you're curious about, do ask. Anyway: (all in USD) RAF Manual (photo-reprint) "Fighting In The Air", 1918 $12.50 US Air Service Victory Credits of WWI, 1969 (photo-reprint) 20.- Flying Corps Headquarters, Barling, 1968 30.- Sky Fighters of France, Farre, 1981 reprint 20.- Pictorial Hist. of the French Air Force-- Vol.1: 1909-1940, Haute, 1974 45.- German A7V Tank and Captured Britisk Mk.IV Tanks of WWI, Hundleby & Strasheim, 1990 40.- Planes the Aces Flew, Morgan, 1964 10.- German Air Raids on Great Britain, Morris, 1925 125.- (ouch!!) Escadrilles 3 Vol. Set: Chasse, Bombardement, Reconnaissance, Ed., 1960 [w/color illus. and 30 fold out leaves, Fr. text] 45.- Airmen of WWI, Bowyer, 1975 35.- Handley Page Bombers of WWI, Bowyer, 1992 35.- British Aeroplanes 1914-1918, Bruce, 1957 [8 1/2x11 format] 125.- History of French Military Aviation, Lissarrague (Smithsonian), 1986 50.- Aces High; War in the Air 1914-1918, Clark, 1973 20.- Royal Air Force 1918, Cole, 1968 45.- Aircraft Mechanic's Handbook, Colvin, 1918 45.- ...More books to spend money I don't have on.... Hooray! Cheers, Erik ........................................................................ "Mr.Anchovy, perhaps you could move *towards* 'Lion Taming' via Banking, or even Insurance?..." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 21:25:52 -0500 From: "Bill Ciciora" To: Subject: Re: About this contest ... Message-ID: Patrick asked: > It's been fascinating following the discussion about this > modelling contest to which Bill, Kevin, and others have been > referring. I guess I missed the first entries, so could somebody > tell me where and when this took place? The contest was Will-Cook IPMS 'The Show VI' on April 5, 1997. It was held in a junior high school in Homewood, Illinois (South Chicago Suburban area). There were quite a few vendors there, and I got a good deal on a #785 Aurora Gotha kit ($20; lowest I've ever seen). Lots of fun meeting list members Kevin and Glen, and admiring their entries. It was the first model show/contest I'd ever attended, and except for the long delay in getting the judging results out, was interesting and fun. Bill C. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 20:32:16 -0700 From: hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) To: wwi Subject: Re: Newbie (please be gentle) Message-ID: Jim Alley writes: > >Now I have an embarrassingly novice question: Why do many decals for WWI >British aircraft supply the red center of the roundel as a separate item? >While working on a 1/72 of the R.E.8 recently, I lost this tiny red dot >somewhere in the bristles of a brush (and was not amused). The Camel kit >being discussed hereabouts even has the white part as a separate item? Is >there a reason for this? > > Having printed a few decals used by members of this list, I'll take this on. Most decals available in kits or aftermarket are produced by screen printing. This process works well because it lays down a nice even coat of ink which is (in most cases) reasonably opaque (there are exceptions to this). The trouble with the process is that you have to apply colors to decal paper one at a time. This means you decide how many pieces of paper you will print with a given design, stack them all together and print all of them with your first color, in the case of Brit roundels this will be white. After you have printed your entire stack of paper with white, you let the ink dry and set up for your next color, stack up your paper again and print the next color, blue is usually a good choice since you want to be careful and make sure that all of the roundels on the sheet with those fine white outlines come out in register (this is NOT as easy as it sounds, and I won't get into why here, it would take all night). Now decal paper, like any paper, has one interesting quality, depending on the amount of humidity in the air, the paper will take on some of this water (or lose it if things dry up). Guess what paper does when this happens, it changes shape, and not in any predictable way. This is a particular problem if you are between printing your white and blue colors on all those sheets you want to make into roundels with all of those perfect little white surrounds. If its a stormy day, or a thunder storm erupts on what had been a pretty dry day, the paper changes and you might as well chuck all of your work and that expensive paper and ink into the bin because you will NEVER get it to register properly. This is why I used to try and print all of my German cross sheets in a morning and in small batches. The longer you wait or the more time you take the bigger your risks of the paper changing shape. There is also the problem of making decals complex and the more colors you have to keep in register with each other, the bigger your chances of screwing up an increasing percentage of your print run. This is why many decal printers, big and small, will print roundel and cockade center spots separately. They have to be printed on top of the base color (usually white) anyway, so they come later in the print run. If things shift even slightly during printing, the out of center spots are pretty obvious, so since they are usually pretty small and not too difficult to manipulate with a wet brush, the wise decal printer will leave it up to the end user to do this last bit of color registration and let them take the credit/blame. Probably more than you wanted to know anyway. Charles formerly of Americal/Gryphon hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 21:34:20 -0600 From: Frank Landrus To: wwi Subject: Re: IPMS Judging Message-ID: <335ED4BB.183A@flash.net> Brian : Excellent points! I've only been judging for six years now, however, judging good models in a category seems to usually fall to the basics in construction and not to interpretation of colors, sheen or weathering. The difficulty in judging is when all the entrants in the category have 'basic' problems. Frank Brian Nicklas wrote: > > A point to be made on judging at IPMS is that they are not "them" they > are "us". Judges come from the rank and file of IPMS members and while > the point has been made that you cannot judge a category you are entered in, > the judges reflect the best and the worst in modellers, just like any > cross section of the membership would. > After building for a while, I decided I would like to judge. > I found out all it took was asking, so at the Atlanta Nationals, > early one morning before judging took place, we had judges school. > Novices judges go through that, and one contest as a novice, before > they are a "real" judge. And although I judged sci-fi, fantasy > and space in Atlanta, I am qualified to judge anything. I would > decline to judge many catagories, but even though I don't build > some subjects, I read enough on the topic and discuss them enough > among others at meetings and contests enough that I feel safe judging > on them. > Two cases in point that I have seen. Beautiful model of one of the > Luftwaffe 1946-type aircraft that are popular. Big ramjet engines > with only this dish in the center, you could see right through. > Judges were going to wash it, but I pointed out that with that type > ramjet, that WAS the engine, correctly done. So one person CAN make > a difference. Another model (different category) was fantastic, > right next to one that was darn good. Fantastic rolled off the base. > We called across to the armor judges on the other side of the table. > 'If it is not secured, pick it up and judge the bottom." Fantastic > had not even painted the bottom. Darn good had puttied his seams, and > given at least the base color. Darn Good won. What has always been > impressed upon me for judging is that "Look for the basics first." > If someone adds a pound of photoetch, but his horizontal surfaces > have both anehedral and dihedral, and his paint is orange peeled, > the photoetch doesn't cut it. And don't hesitate to ask questions > when judging. - Which means the writeups some place with the models > ARE read by the judges. Explain why your particular scheme is gloss > rather than flat, for example. > And since I try to stick with 1/72, maybe they'll let me judge > 1/48th.... > Good discussion guys. > Brian Nicklas ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 22:48:13 -0400 From: bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Alb. C.III References? Message-ID: <199704240248.WAA20365@pease1.sr.unh.edu> At 08:48 PM 4/23/97 -0400, Robert Woodbury wrote: >G'Day from Downunder, > >I'm trying to track down some references on the Alb. C.III. I'm currently >working on the Eduard kit of said aircraft. But other than the unavailable >Windsock datafile, I'm not having much success. > >If someone has a spare copy of the Windsock publication that they would be >willing to part with or maybe photocopy? Rob I think the Datafile is still available. Check with Rosemont or Lencraft. If not, let me know and I can copy what you need. Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 22:48:13 -0400 From: bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Newbie (please be gentle) Message-ID: <199704240248.WAA20369@pease1.sr.unh.edu> At 09:09 PM 4/23/97 -0400, JimAlley@aol.com wrote: >>Well, perhaps we could do a "virtual" WWI contest by sending in photos of >>our best stuff (limited to 2 or 3 entries per person) to Al. > >I'm new to this list, so please forgive my forwardness in jumping in >here, but this sounds like an interesting idea. One problem that occurs >to me, though, is that it could easily (and quite naturally) become a >contest for _photos_ of models -- meaning that the best _photo_ might >stand higher than the best model. Is this an issue? Whatever, I'd like to >see it happen, especially if we can all see the results. > >Now I have an embarrassingly novice question: Why do many decals for WWI >British aircraft supply the red center of the roundel as a separate item? >While working on a 1/72 of the R.E.8 recently, I lost this tiny red dot >somewhere in the bristles of a brush (and was not amused). The Camel kit >being discussed hereabouts even has the white part as a separate item? Is >there a reason for this? Jim I don't know why the red dots are seperate. Maybe just another "part" to build the model with? I think the white is often seperate is that it's thicker and doesn't allow the paint color to show through.(If that makes any sense.) Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 21:46:54 -0500 From: Bill Bacon To: wwi Subject: Re: Newbie (please be gentle) Message-ID: <335EC99E.27FF@netjava.net> Jim, First off, welcome to the list. Enjoy a great group and have funn and learn. As to your question, the decals are in separate parts to insure that all parts are concentric. Many one piece decals have one or more parts off center or centre depending on location (people that is). It is relatively easy to get two parts ok. Just put the blue with the hole in it over a blob of white smaller than the outside diameter of the blue. Putting the red in the center/centre can be a disaster. Hence, the little red dots. You put them in the middle and if it is wrong, guess who made the error. Again welcoime and we are all here to help, dicuss, cuss and welcome your comments. Cheers, Bill BillBacon wbacon@netjava.net JimAlley@aol.com wrote: > > >Well, perhaps we could do a "virtual" WWI contest by sending in photos of > >our best stuff (limited to 2 or 3 entries per person) to Al. > > I'm new to this list, so please forgive my forwardness in jumping in > here, but this sounds like an interesting idea. One problem that occurs > to me, though, is that it could easily (and quite naturally) become a > contest for _photos_ of models -- meaning that the best _photo_ might > stand higher than the best model. Is this an issue? Whatever, I'd like to > see it happen, especially if we can all see the results. > > Now I have an embarrassingly novice question: Why do many decals for WWI > British aircraft supply the red center of the roundel as a separate item? > While working on a 1/72 of the R.E.8 recently, I lost this tiny red dot > somewhere in the bristles of a brush (and was not amused). The Camel kit > being discussed hereabouts even has the white part as a separate item? Is > there a reason for this? > > Jim Alley ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 22:48:35 -0400 (EDT) From: BStett3770@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Newbie (please be gentle) Message-ID: <970423224713_-31762848@emout06.mail.aol.com> Hi Jim The reason for the seperate decals is that the manufacture of the decals does not have to worry about getting all the colors in register. ie red dot off center of the roundel. Also they don't have to worry about color bleed- not all decals have good opaque colors- the whites often bleed. Two schools on this - some modelers like to place them to insure centering. others would rather do it in one shot - ( I'm a one shot modeler|) Newbie Question -Heck no it's good question. Cheers Barry Rosemont hobby ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 23:13:54 -0400 From: Carlos Valdes To: wwi Subject: Re: books Message-ID: <335ECFF2.6EC9@conted.gatech.edu> Speaking of books, I picked up a couple recently via Edward R. Hamilton that might be of interest to list members. These are all currently available texts. 1. On Miniature Wings, by Thomas Dietz. A beautiful coffee-table book on the model aircraft of the NASM. Although only a few of the featured models are of WWI types, the book is still worth getting. These models are truly works of art. 2. von Richtofen: The Legend Evaluated, by Richard Townshend Bickers. I was looking forward to reading this new book on MvR but have found it very disappointing. Although published by Naval Institute Press, it contains typos and factual errors and exhibits an ignorance of the latest research on victory claims. The "evaluation" of MvR seems (I'm only three-quarters of the way through) to consist of a summary of M's life with a sprinkling of commentary on other aces--I can only assume that a point will be made before the book's conclusion. Not recommended. 3. Naval Aviation in the First World War, by RD Layman. I have yet to begin this book, but it looks like a good one, not a surprise considering the author's expertise. This is an general overview of the topic rather than a technical nuts-n-bolts tome. (As an aside, I also acquired two hard-to-get out-of-print volumes, amazingly almost immediately after I started looking for them: Nowarra's Eisernes Kreuz und Balenkreuz and Hadingham's The Fighting Triplanes.) Looks like I'll be busy reading for a while, but I'm still eagerly awaiting that FMP French tome. . . Carlos ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 20:17:28 -0700 From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: Public Library gem: " Legend, Memory & the Great War in the Air" Message-ID: <199704240317.AA24287@ednet1.orednet.org> Riordan wrote: > >This title was found while rooting around in the local branch of the >county library. An excellent Smithsonian general interest book which ^^ ^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^ ^^^^ -snips- Ah, you obviously missed the mini-fire storm which swirled through the pages of Over the Front over this little tome and its accompanying exhibit at the Smithsonian. There is, I think, still lots of controversy over this volume although, perferring to remain apart from that particular debate, I'll not venture an option as to which side is being politically incorrect. Cheers, -- - Bill Shatzer bshatzer@orednet.org - "Oh, what sad times are these when passing ruffians can say 'ni' at will to old ladies." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 23:27:18 -0400 From: "S.M. Head" To: wwi Subject: Re: Lonestar models Message-ID: <9704232224.aa01338@mail.iapc.net> >I have been trying to connect to Lonestar's web page with no success >whatsoever. >Does anybody have an e-mail address for them please - or any other page >where I may get a list of what they make? >A UK or european importer's name would be ideal but probably too much to >hope for. Try . Cheers! Scott H --------------------------------------------------------------------- Scott M. Head (smh@iapc.net) IPMS/USA #32841 "Make it idiot proof - IPMS/Houston Scale Model Forum and someone will make a better idiot!" http://web-hou.iapc.net/~smh --------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 20:21:49 -0700 From: Michelle and Rory Goodwin To: wwi Subject: Re: test message Message-ID: <335ED1CD.4AB7@ricochet.net> Sandy Adam wrote: > > In the UK we appear to be getting no mail on WWI list. Can whoever > receives this please bounce it back with a "Yes" just to see if it is > local or global. Thanks. > Sandy YES -- Shelley and Riordan Goodwin Visit our websites: Riordan's Wings of Revolution: http://www.serve.com/rgoodwin Shelley's Jewelry Gifts: http://www.silkroadjewels.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 23:23:36 CDT From: "Mark Alan Johnson" To: wwi Subject: Aurora Pfalz instructions Message-ID: <1DB59E180A@ASMS1.DSC.K12.AR.US> Hello, I recently sent out a letter asking if anyone could make me a copy of Aurora's Pfalz D-III instruction sheet. I will gladly pay for labor and postage. Riordan said he would copy Ray Rimell's review article for me. I can't get through to him due to difficulties. Here is my mailing address: Mark Johnson ASMS Staff 200 Whittington Avenue Hot Springs, AR 71901 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 22:26:15 -0700 From: hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) To: wwi Subject: Re: books Message-ID: Carolo wrote: > >(As an aside, I also acquired two hard-to-get out-of-print volumes, >amazingly almost immediately after I started looking for them: Nowarra's >Eisernes Kreuz und Balenkreuz and Hadingham's The Fighting Triplanes.) OK I'm curious, how much did the Nowarra volume cost you ? This was one of the first WW I books I bought way back in 1972 and I don't think I've ever seen another one for sale. Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 23:51:44 -0500 From: Kevin Wenker To: wwi Subject: Re: Gotha Photoetch Message-ID: <335EE6E0.3E6B@interaccess.com> Bill Ciciora wrote: > > Kevin W. wrote: > > > I just got a machine to do photoetching > > What would it cost me for a copy of that photoetch set? > > Bill C. I don't know - I have to "draw" it first. If you have any ideas about WHAT to photoetch (there are some obvious things like the prop screens ar the rear gunner compartment) let me know. I'll just 'charge' for the photo-sensitive brass. The labor is free. Kevin BTW - how will that DH-10a look with Gotha photoetchings :-) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 23:00:29 +0000 From: "Rob " To: wwi Subject: Modest Proposal re test merssages Message-ID: <199704240505.BAA17286@mcfeely.concentric.net> I just had 100+ items from the list in my box, many of them the dreaded "test" messages. When the list is down, this isn't going to do you much good, and the large number of backed up posts becomes a pain when the list comes up again. I suggest that when you have received suspiciously few posts, e-mail someone else on the list directly and ask if they got any. This would save traffic on the list server and keep those of us with disk quotas from getting unintentionally mail bombed. ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 506 *********************