WWI Digest 503 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Fokker Dr.I/References by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 2) Re: Fokker Dr.I/References by mbittner@juno.com 3) Re: IPMS Judging by "Bill Ciciora" 4) Re: IPMS Judging by "Eli Geher" 5) Re: Fokker Dr.I/References by Carlos Valdes 6) Re: IPMS Judging by Kevin Wenker 7) Fokker D-VII by "Mark Alan Johnson" 8) Back from Scandinavia by Fportier@aol.com 9) Re: Fokker D-VII by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 10) Re: IPMS Judging by Alberto Rada 11) Re: Back from Scandinavia by Alberto Rada 12) Re: Fokker Dr.I/References by Alberto Rada 13) Re: WWI digest 501 by GRBroman@aol.com 14) Re: IPMS Judging by GRBroman@aol.com 15) Re: IPMS Judging by GRBroman@aol.com 16) Re: Fokker Dr.I/References by Carlos Valdes 17) Re: Fokker Dr.I/References by Geoff Smith 18) Re: Your Basic non-Joe Camel by bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 19) Glencoe Pfalz by "Mark Alan Johnson" 20) Re: Fokker Dr.I/References by Alberto Rada 21) Re: Fokker Dr.I/References by Alberto Rada 22) RE: Has this happened to you? by Shane Weier 23) RE: IPMS Judging by Shane Weier 24) Re: Rumour..True I hope! by Mick Fauchon 25) Re: Rumour..True I hope! by Mick Fauchon 26) by Mick Fauchon ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 22:10:52 -0700 From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: Fokker Dr.I/References Message-ID: <199704190510.AA20955@ednet1.orednet.org> Geoff wrote: >Matt, did Jacobs survive the war and how many victories did he have? > >Geoff. Jacobs died in 1978. I've seen various numbers for Jacobs' victory totals but "Over the Lines" is probably the most definitive source on this question and it gives a total of 48. Cheers, -- - Bill Shatzer bshatzer@orednet.org - "Oh, what sad times are these when passing ruffians can say 'ni' at will to old ladies." ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 05:49:45 -0500 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Fokker Dr.I/References Message-ID: <19970419.054952.16486.2.mbittner@juno.com> On Fri, 18 Apr 1997 22:28:45 -0400 Carlos Valdes writes: > Jacobs did indeed survive: he died in 1978! The latest research > has him with 48 victories, roughly 30 of which he scored on > Dr.1s, making him the highest scoring triplane pilot of all > time. He flew two black triplanes, with his primary one bearing > the devil head marking of the DML kit (there are a couple of > other versions available in aftermarket decal sheets, but I have > yet to compare them all side-by-side). Be aware that this > machine had its markings overpainted later--as you'll see in the > Dr.I Special--and that it was powered by a captured Clerget > engine (and propeller), which means that the correspondng > DML-provided items are not correct for this particular machine; > Aeroclub can provide you with the correct replacements. Ain't > research grand? FWIW, he tried to have *all* of his Dr.I's powered by Clerget's. The aftermarket decals I know of are: Blue Rider does one of his backup tripes in 1/72nd (out of production) SuperScale does one of his backup tripes as well as his Devil Head mount, in both 1/48th and 1/72nd Americal/Gryphon does a whole 8.5" x 11" sheet with all known variations of his triplanes in 1/72nd, 1/48th, and 1/28th (out of production, and *very* hard to find) I like the Americal/Gryphon head the best, as for as looks are concerned. However, my sheet is a little out of register; I bought it mainly because it's something more on Jacobs. From the few I talked to, they think (as well as I do) the Super Scale just doesn't look "right". Maybe a little too "cartoony", if that makes any sense. However, currently it's all we have, especially in 1/72nd. I am not 100% certain if either Aeromaster or Ministry of Small Aircraft Production does any of Jacobs tripes in 1/48th. Can anybody shed any light on this? Matt mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 10:21:27 -0500 From: "Bill Ciciora" To: Subject: Re: IPMS Judging Message-ID: Kevin wrote: > On a whim, I called one of the judges and asked him about the judging. > He said that the judges did not feel that glossy wings on my D III were > correct. When I mentioned the decals on the Baby, he said that the judges > were impressed with the photoreduced detail of the Blackburn decal and were > less concerned with the conflict of having the Sopwith marker on the rudder. > Hmmmmm. I then asked about the Baby sitting on it's back float rather > than weighted to sit upright - he said they thought that was how it was > supposed to sit. As I drove home, I was pondering what fault the judges could have possibly have found with the D.III, and the glossy finish was the only thing that came to mind. I have a feeling the judges were WWII builders, looking for field-use weathering. Still, it's hard to defend taking off more points for a perceived finish 'error' than a markings error. I was surprised not to have been docked for using a pilot figure. Maybe they liked the oil and gunsmoke stains on his face, more than missing the minimal interior detailing. Does anyone on the list know if there are IPMS judging standards or guidelines, documented anywhere? Bill C. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 12:14:59 -0500 From: "Eli Geher" To: Subject: Re: IPMS Judging Message-ID: <199704191748.MAA26713@sh1.ro.com> There is a published IPMS Judges Handbook which is known to those who regularly judge at the US Nationals. It should be better known then it is, but has largely been a personal publishing project of Wayne Wachsmuth. Wayne is the head judge emeritus of IPMS-USA. The latest copy I have is dated from 1990, and there is probably a later version, since expanded use of aftermarket accessories have caused some rethinking in the past few years. The handbook does not specifically address specialized modelling genres (ie: WWI subjects), but provides a common-sense approach to comparing one model to another in a contest environment. Nit-picking of colors is specifically defined as a no-no, for instance. There are specific sections for judging aircraft, automobiles, armor, ships, figures, dioramas, and space/science fiction. Some of these would be of no interest to us serious WWI types, of course, but IPMS also must cater to frivolous types. Its unfortunate that the handbook is not better known. Many, although not all, IPMS judges are familiar with it, but contestants are generally not. WWI models present an unusual problem, since anyone who specializes in early aircraft probably has an entry on the table. Judging a class where one has models entered is considered extremely bad form. Therefore the judges are not likely to be very knowledgable in the specifics of the prototypes. So, if you think you got screwed, maybe you did, but keep in mind that its not like your home blew away in a tornado or washed down stream in a flood. Eli Geher ---------- > From: Bill Ciciora SECTION DELETED > As I drove home, I was pondering what fault the judges could have possibly > have found with the D.III, and the glossy finish was the only thing that > came to mind. I have a feeling the judges were WWII builders, looking for > field-use weathering. Still, it's hard to defend taking off more points for > a perceived finish 'error' than a markings error. I was surprised not to > have been docked for using a pilot figure. Maybe they liked the oil and > gunsmoke stains on his face, more than missing the minimal interior > detailing. Does anyone on the list know if there are IPMS judging standards > or guidelines, documented anywhere? > > > Bill C. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 14:26:23 -0400 From: Carlos Valdes To: wwi Subject: Re: Fokker Dr.I/References Message-ID: <33590E4F.307D@conted.gatech.edu> Matt, Ministry of Small Aircraft Production sheet #4837 includes Jacobs' 450/17 (the others are Rahn's, Raben's, and Steihauser's triplanes along with the swastika-bearing Dr.1 of Jasta 11 with the "turqouoise" rear fuselage. Aeromaster, AFAIK, does not cover Jacos, although it does offer two Dr.1 sheets. Carlos ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 13:28:08 -0500 From: Kevin Wenker To: wwi Subject: Re: IPMS Judging Message-ID: <33590EB8.63FE@interaccess.com> Bill Ciciora wrote: > > Kevin wrote: > > > On a whim, I called one of the judges and asked him about the judging. > > He said that the judges did not feel that glossy wings on my D III were > > correct. When I mentioned the decals on the Baby, he said that the judges > > > were impressed with the photoreduced detail of the Blackburn decal and > were > > less concerned with the conflict of having the Sopwith marker on the > rudder. > > Hmmmmm. I then asked about the Baby sitting on it's back float rather > > than weighted to sit upright - he said they thought that was how it was > > supposed to sit. > > As I drove home, I was pondering what fault the judges could have possibly > have found with the D.III, and the glossy finish was the only thing that > came to mind. I have a feeling the judges were WWII builders, looking for > field-use weathering. Still, it's hard to defend taking off more points for > a perceived finish 'error' than a markings error. I was surprised not to > have been docked for using a pilot figure. Maybe they liked the oil and > gunsmoke stains on his face, more than missing the minimal interior > detailing. Does anyone on the list know if there are IPMS judging standards > or guidelines, documented anywhere? > > Bill C. Funny isn't it. I have NO sour grapes about the show. My satisfaction was the compliments I received from you and a couple other guys who know WW I - that was a real high for me. Anyway, what's funny is that I took 2nd about a year ago at the big Northern Ill IPMS meet with my SE5a - and the reason it took second? - Dull finish. Can you beat that. So, I make the D III glossy and it shoulda been dull. So, now that I've stopped banging my head against the wall, I'll start on my next project - the Gotha D V. (I'm thinking of adding some Blackburn maker's marks to it ). Talk about liking pain. Kevin ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 14:52:05 CDT From: "Mark Alan Johnson" To: wwi Subject: Fokker D-VII Message-ID: <5CDE90C0B35@ASMS1.DSC.K12.AR.US> List members, Is the Monogram Fokker D-VII a re-working of the old Aurora kit? If so, what is different? I enjoy reading about markings, but what I really like are kit reviews and techniques. One can never learn too much!! Mark Johnson ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 16:01:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Fportier@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Back from Scandinavia Message-ID: <970419160133_-1133925861@emout07.mail.aol.com> Hi folks This is just to let the group know I am back from excellent vacations in Copenhagen and Stockholm, which I warmy recommend (pun intended) but preferably not until May! Well worth a visit, and hot chocolate with cream is an efficient way to fight the effects of the cold. I shall certainly go back in the future -- but in summer. The ice in my brain has almost finished thawing so it'll be back to normal soon, and that's not saying much. Best regards, Francois A tip for people intending to go to Scandinavia: try staying in private homes for clean, relatively cheap accomodation and very friendly welcome. The tourist offices can put you in touch with reliable hosts. Hotels do tend to be rather expensive. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 13:26:03 -0700 From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: Fokker D-VII Message-ID: <199704192026.AA11598@ednet1.orednet.org> Mark Johnson wrote: > >List members, > >Is the Monogram Fokker D-VII a re-working of the old Aurora kit? Yes. >If so, what is different? 1) The fuselage surface was given a "fabric" treatment. 2) The landing gear airfoil is two pieces rather than one. 3) Some "reworking" of the engine. However, note that this kit underwent "improvements" while it was still an Aurora kit so that all "old Aurora" kits of the D.VII are not equal. The No.753 kit (the one with the photo of the model on the box, not the "action packed" painting) removed the engraved markings and had thinner wing struts and better machine guns compared to the original No. 106 Aurora kit. I think the No. 753 kit also was the first one to include the hand lifts and foot steps. The Monogram kit, obviously, incorporated the No. 753 "improvements" as well. >I enjoy reading about markings, but what I really like are kit >reviews and techniques. But if you really wanna _build_ a D.VII, spring for the bucks and get a DML kit - you'll be much happier in the long run and you'll get a 1/48 scale model, rather than a 1/46 scale one. There are still some of these DMLs available - last time I checked APC Hobbies and Rosemont's Webpages, they both still had some in stock. Rollmodels had some when their catalog was up on line as well but that was some time back. Cheers, -- - Bill Shatzer bshatzer@orednet.org - "Oh, what sad times are these when passing ruffians can say 'ni' at will to old ladies." ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 16:33:08 -0400 (AST) From: Alberto Rada To: wwi Subject: Re: IPMS Judging Message-ID: <199704192033.QAA03295@fw.true.net> I know this wont lessen the pain, but you might like the company, Two years ago I presented in our National Modeling Show a Focker D VII under the colors of Unteroffizier Piel of Jasta 13 and I was really proud of it, well it wasn't even mentioned in the results, and I was just trying to figure out where I had messed it up, when one of the judges comes around and tells me "Alberto what happened to you, you could have won if it wasn't that you left it glossy and forgot to mat-barnish it. The only two guys here in Caracas that know a little on WW1 Aeroplanes we bring models to the show, so we can't judge on it, but at least now there are enough models entered that we have a separate clasification and you don't have to compete with the Messersch-whatever it's called. Just an anecdote, last year I entered Aeroclub's FE2b ( it did get a first price ) and every one was amazed by the rigging, and wanted to know how it was done. And I explained that it took me two years to train a little spider I have, to read rigging plans. Worst thing of it all of not having knowledgeable judges is that you might spend endless hours researching a lesser know plane you like, and in a contest, someone brings in something flashy, and that's it. Any possibility of obtaining the Judging manual ? it could help SALUDOS ALBERTO ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 16:39:47 -0400 (AST) From: Alberto Rada To: wwi Subject: Re: Back from Scandinavia Message-ID: <199704192039.QAA03463@fw.true.net> Funny to read this, 35 years ago, I was studying in England and took my vacations in Denmark and Sweden, and did just that, recommended by the Tourist Office, stay in private houses and it is one of the best remembered vacations in all my life SALUDOS ALBERTO p.d. It was bloody cold also At 04:04 PM 19-04-97 -0400, you wrote: >Hi folks >This is just to let the group know I am back from excellent vacations in >Copenhagen and Stockholm, which I warmy recommend (pun intended) but >preferably not until May! >Well worth a visit, and hot chocolate with cream is an efficient way to fight >the effects of the cold. I shall certainly go back in the future -- but in >summer. >The ice in my brain has almost finished thawing so it'll be back to normal >soon, and that's not saying much. >Best regards, >Francois >A tip for people intending to go to Scandinavia: try staying in private homes >for clean, relatively cheap accomodation and very friendly welcome. The >tourist offices can put you in touch with reliable hosts. Hotels do tend to >be rather expensive. > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 16:42:52 -0400 (AST) From: Alberto Rada To: wwi Subject: Re: Fokker Dr.I/References Message-ID: <199704192042.QAA03566@fw.true.net> Carlos Have you seen the M of S A P that includes Jacob's , How does the Blowing Devil compares to the DML one that comes with the kit ? SALUDOS ALBERTO At 02:31 PM 19-04-97 -0400, you wrote: >Matt, > Ministry of Small Aircraft Production sheet #4837 includes Jacobs' >450/17 (the others are Rahn's, Raben's, and Steihauser's triplanes along >with the swastika-bearing Dr.1 of Jasta 11 with the "turqouoise" rear >fuselage. Aeromaster, AFAIK, does not cover Jacos, although it does >offer two Dr.1 sheets. > Carlos > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 17:26:30 -0400 (EDT) From: GRBroman@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: WWI digest 501 Message-ID: <970419172629_-300640132@emout08.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 97-04-18 21:16:40 EDT, you write: << Thanks for the kind words, Bill. The D VIII was very nice. On a whim, I called one of the judges and asked him about the judging. He said that the judges did not feel that glossy wings on my D III were correct. When I mentioned the decals on the Baby, he said that the judges were impressed with the photoreduced detail of the Blackburn decal and were less concerned with the conflict of having the Sopwith marker on the ruder. Hmmmmm. I then asked about the Baby sitting on it's back float rather than weighted to sit upright - he said they thought that was how it was supposed to sit. >> You know, I was really surprised at that as well. Unfortunatley the only member of the list that was judging at Will-Cook was judging armor. ;) Go figure. Of course, I can't really complain as I was not dinged for filling the wing folds on my HP 0/400 in the post 1918 class. I started building it in the early seventies when it came out and didn' realize that the wings were supposed to fold. Niether did the judges. Both Kevin and Bill's entries were really superb. It was also a pleasure to meet some folks from the list. Glen ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 17:26:34 -0400 (EDT) From: GRBroman@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: IPMS Judging Message-ID: <970419172633_2015826868@emout13.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 97-04-19 11:25:40 EDT, you write: << Does anyone on the list know if there are IPMS judging standards or guidelines, documented anywhere? >> Bill, there are, but they are not always followed and they are not as widely read as they should be. If you are game, I will recommend to the organizer (who built that DR I, BTW :)) that we pop some bona-fide WW I guys in as judges, the only way I think we can fix this is if we start to "take over" (insert maniacal laugh here). Glen ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 17:26:36 -0400 (EDT) From: GRBroman@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: IPMS Judging Message-ID: <970419172635_-1803080161@emout14.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 97-04-19 14:30:06 EDT, you write: << So, now that I've stopped banging my head against the wall, I'll start on my next project - the Gotha D V. (I'm thinking of adding some Blackburn maker's marks to it ). Talk about liking pain. >> Kevin, that was a beautiful model. I'm glad to see you got that P-61 stuff out of your system. :) Glen ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 19:29:07 -0400 From: Carlos Valdes To: wwi Subject: Re: Fokker Dr.I/References Message-ID: <33595543.1B03@conted.gatech.edu> Alberto, The MSAP devilshead decal is slightly larger than the one from the kit; it is also redder in the appropriate places, with the kit-supplied one being closer to the color used in the Dr.1 Special profile--but who knows which version is more correct? I have the Aeroclub FE2b stored away with the hope of some day trying it when I feel more confident about my modeling abilities. Do you have any advice on how to build it? And do you have any photos of yours that you might be able to scan and send me? (The same for Piel's D.VII--I've always liked it; whose decal did you use on it?) Carlos ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 19:37:26 -0400 From: Geoff Smith To: "INTERNET:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Fokker Dr.I/References Message-ID: <199704191937_MC2-1495-65A2@compuserve.com> Joe Gentile wrote: >Geoff, I hope you don't mind if I jump in... I was given a copy of an article from list member Bill Bacon, published in the Cross & Cockade Journal, volume 6, number 4, Winter 1965 that is just fantastic. It contains diary excerpts and a slew of photos that is nothing else will enlighten you on a fascinating figure. If you'd like a copy I'd be happy to mail you one. Provide me with a snail mail address. As you will find out on this list, what comes around, goes around. Joe< Joe, I would be very grateful to anyone who can help - seems like I'm the one who jumped in. The expressions "dig a big hole" and "both feet" come to mind. Let me know how I can reimburse you. My address: 40 Hampden Avenue, DARWEN, Lancs., BB3 2HB England. Thanks to Kevin Barratt & Carlos Valdes for the information about the engine. Any idea what H.P.? Is it here that I make the stupid mistake of assuming it didn't have captured wings, fuselage and wheels? Sorry, I meant to be serious but a Clerget engined Dr.I proved to much! Geoff. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 19:43:11 -0400 From: bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Your Basic non-Joe Camel Message-ID: <199704192343.TAA03806@pease1.sr.unh.edu> At 10:28 PM 4/18/97 -0400, Michelle and Rory Goodwin wrote: > >Cut out the space between the guns in the cowling (perhaps leaving a >cross piece at front of cockpit, scratch the square butt ends of the >Vickers guns, cut the barrel ends apart, assemble guns (or just buy >Aeroclub replacements), glue guns in appropriate positions in cutout. >Not that simple, but not too difficult either. Thanks....Bought the aeroclub guns today! Mike ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 19:13:04 CDT From: "Mark Alan Johnson" To: wwi Subject: Glencoe Pfalz Message-ID: <5D2433432D3@ASMS1.DSC.K12.AR.US> Hello everyone, I'm working on the Glencoe Pfalz D-III and I was wondering if anyone could make and send me a copy of the original Aurora instructions. I'll gladly pay for labor and postage. You see, I have no earthly idea where the ground crewman goes or exactly what he is doing to be in that hellish pose. Mark Johnson ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 22:48:55 -0400 (AST) From: Alberto Rada To: wwi Subject: Re: Fokker Dr.I/References Message-ID: <199704200248.WAA13987@fw.true.net> Carlos Tomorow I'll prepare some notes on the FE2b building process and send it over, give me a week and I'll send the photos thanks for the devilshead info SALUDOS ALBERTO At 07:34 PM 19-04-97 -0400, you wrote: >Alberto, > The MSAP devilshead decal is slightly larger than the one from the kit; >it is also redder in the appropriate places, with the kit-supplied one >being closer to the color used in the Dr.1 Special profile--but who >knows which version is more correct? > I have the Aeroclub FE2b stored away with the hope of some day trying >it when I feel more confident about my modeling abilities. Do you have >any advice on how to build it? And do you have any photos of yours that >you might be able to scan and send me? (The same for Piel's D.VII--I've >always liked it; whose decal did you use on it?) > Carlos > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 22:52:58 -0400 (AST) From: Alberto Rada To: wwi Subject: Re: Fokker Dr.I/References Message-ID: <199704200252.WAA14074@fw.true.net> Joe Could you please send me a photocopy too, I am developing a growing interest on the subject. Thanks Alberto Rada CCS 1083 P.O. Box 025323 Miami FL 33102 At 07:42 PM 19-04-97 -0400, you wrote: >Joe Gentile wrote: > > >>Geoff, I hope you don't mind if I jump in... > >I was given a copy of an article from list member Bill Bacon, published in >the Cross & Cockade Journal, volume 6, number 4, Winter 1965 that is just >fantastic. It contains diary excerpts and a slew of photos that is nothing >else will enlighten you on a fascinating figure. > >If you'd like a copy I'd be happy to mail you one. Provide me with a snail >mail address. As you will find out on this list, what comes around, goes >around. > >Joe< > >Joe, > >I would be very grateful to anyone who can help - seems like I'm the one >who jumped in. The expressions "dig a big hole" and "both feet" come to >mind. Let me know how I can reimburse you. > >My address: > >40 Hampden Avenue, >DARWEN, >Lancs., >BB3 2HB >England. > >Thanks to Kevin Barratt & Carlos Valdes for the information about the >engine. Any idea what H.P.? Is it here that I make the stupid mistake of >assuming it didn't have captured wings, fuselage and wheels? Sorry, I meant >to be serious but a Clerget engined Dr.I proved to much! > >Geoff. > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 19:53:32 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Has this happened to you? Message-ID: Patrick, You query: >> I'm wondering if others have experienced the following >>irritating phenomenon: having just finished a project, using all my >>carefully collected resources which I have spent months or sometimes even >>years assembling before starting the project, I will often find that >>within a short time of applying the final coat of clear, I will come >>across some new and apparently authoritative source (sometimes even an >>actual long-lost photograph) that contradicts some aspect of the project >>I've just finished (No, the wings WEREN'T green/lilac, they were losenge >>fabric, etc.) Has this happened to others? Please tell me I'm not alone in >this. You'd have saved a lot of bandwidth by asking who it *hasn't* happened to yet. It's as much a sign of a WW1 modeller as lengths of rigging material inadvertently glued to the fingertip, lozenge fragments attached to the shirt cuffs and a flighty startled expression at the incredibly rare phenomenon of observing another fan in person Regards (and welcome) Shane (Brisbane, Australia) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 20:11:22 +1000 From: Shane Weier To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: IPMS Judging Message-ID: Alberto, and others, on judging of WW1 planes: >---------- >> I was just trying to figure >>out where I had messed it up, when one of the judges comes around and >>tells me "Alberto what happened to you, you could have won if it wasn't that >you left it glossy and forgot to mat-barnish it. FWIW I too have been assailed by the ignorant in this fashion. I'm basically a coward, so I now build them with a fairly high sheen satin finish, looking the way dope gets after some exposure. At least it stops the plane getting comments from judges like my late lamented Willy Gabriiel Fokker D.VII "It's too toylike" Auughhhhh! I reconcile myself by saying its "scale gloss" Shane ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 21:35:12 +1000 (EST) From: Mick Fauchon To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Rumour..True I hope! Message-ID: Vincent, > I just heard a jucy rumour from a reliable source that Eduard are looking at > 1/48 > German WW1 twin engine bombers. Has anyone from outside of Australia heard about > this? Haven't even heard it up here, ol'mate!.......reliable source or not. Where's it come from? Cheers, Mick. > > -- -- Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM M M M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M M M M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M M M MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 21:38:49 +1000 (EST) From: Mick Fauchon To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Rumour..True I hope! Message-ID: Bill, > > What's left among the "important" aircraft? Expecially, what's > left that would be more desired than WW1 kits? > > How 'bout just about any reasonably priced 1/48 "pusher"? A > 1 and 1/2 strutter? Any of the DFW or LVG two-place machines? > A Salmson or a Breguet 14? A Junkers D.I or J.I? Heck, a > decent and reasonably priced quarter-scale DH.4 or even DH.9 > would be wonderful! Or even a Pfalz DXII!? > > Sigh! Probably not. Still, the DH.4 would be nice. Or, any > of the LVG's. > Sigh! Probably not indeed 80( Cheers, Mick. -- -- Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM M M M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M M M M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M M M MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 22:08:03 +1000 (EST) From: Mick Fauchon To: WW1Av Message-ID: Good evening, one and all [especially newcomers!!]! Recently I bought a pair of WW1 figures [in the Scale of Kings, of course 80)] from an outfit called Jaguar: German pilot and crew [GD- 48002]. Never heard of them before, but they are well worth buying. Resin, superb detail, excellent moulding, very clean finish. I was going to paint the pilot as Richard Wenzl, as I'm working on his DrI at the moment. The only photos I have of him show him in a 19194-pattern tunic with Swedish cuffs [i.e. two buttons]: anyone know his former unit? [i.e. before he was a pilot].... as that will make a difference to the painting. BTW, just got the Eduard Pfalz DIII......veeeery nice! In fact, I liked it so much I caved in completely and bought two 80(. I've been approached to do a magazine article on it a little later in the year... when I've got it built, I suppose 80)...so we'll see what happens. Cheers, Mick. P.S. Yes, Bill [Schatzer], those Aurora memories make me feel ancient, too......fortunately I have no personal recollection of [or experience with] Frog/Penguin. Whew! 80) -- -- Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM M M M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M M M M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M M M MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 503 *********************