WWI Digest 494 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Bristol Fighter details by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 2) Re: Sopwith Triplane -- Black Flight kit and question. by Sandy Adam 3) Re: The SE 5 File by Tom Eisenhour 4) Re: Bristol Fighter details by Sandy Adam 5) Re: Morane Saulnier 'N' by "Paul Schwartzkopf" 6) Gotha project by "Joseph Gentile" 7) Re: Back on the List and Beardmores by GRBroman@aol.com 8) Re: Back on the List and Beardmores by Charles_A._Duckworth@notes.up.com (Charles A. Duckworth) 9) Omanson--server crash by "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" 10) Mail order in Europe by Tom Werner Hansen 11) Re: Mail order in Europe by Geoff Smith 12) Tuesday, 10 April 1917, Paris, Le Bourget, Paris again by "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" 13) Re: Gotha project by GRBroman@aol.com 14) Wednesday, 11 April 1917, Paris by "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" 15) Re: Morane Saulnier 'N' by hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) 16) Re: Morane Saulnier 'N' by mbittner@juno.com 17) Re: Gotha project by Michelle and Rory Goodwin 18) Re: Tuesday, 10 April 1917, Paris, Le Bourget, Paris again by Michelle and Rory Goodwin 19) Re: Tuesday, 10 April 1917, Paris, Le Bourget, Paris again by hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 23:09:20 -0700 From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: Bristol Fighter details Message-ID: <199704110609.AA24790@ednet1.orednet.org> In our last episode, Shane wrote: >I have three problems. >=============== > >1. The area on the nose under the radiator shutters and radiator core is >apparently open, since the front of the engine block and forward ends of >the engine bearers are visible. This means that I may need to detail the >underside of the engine block more than I have so far. I have some >drawings and some pics. but I'd reallt *love* to see a head on shot of >the nose to see how much *is* visible from in front > >Of course, I have constructed the engine as best I can with the >available info, and the upper cowl panel is still removable. If I had a >decent photo of a Falcon engine from above I'd probably detail the >engine fully and leave the panel loose, or altogether off. > >Any takers on the above? There are a couple of photos in the "In Action" book - the best one is on page 34 which has a photo of a post-war Falcon- engined F.2B. The bottom of the radiator ends just above the propeller shaft, about even with where the bottom shutter would be, if this aircraft had shutters. That seems to be the best photo I can find and, as you've got the "In Action", I'd think that photo should be sufficient for your purposes - unless I'm misunderstanding your question. >2. I intend to finish the aircraft as a 1AFC aircraft flown by Capt Ross >Smith in the Middle East. A picture of he and his gunner Lt EA Mustard >on page 17 of the Sqd Sig In Action title shows the dual Lewis guns on >the Scarff ring, but gives too little help as to how the guns are paired >and mounted on the ring. The detail drawing on page 14 is unhelpfull, >and seems to contradict the photo. Any help anyone? Is there anything >in Harry Woodmans "Early Aircraft Armament"? Well, fans of the boardgame "Clue" (called, I believe, "Cluedo" in the Mother Country) can only hope that Mustard was advanced to Lieutenant Colonel before he left the service. :-) Seriously, I don't see the contradiction between the drawing and the photo. Both seem similar to the twin Lewis installation in the photo on page 14. It seems to be a simple "T" coming off the normal Scarff ring attachment with the guns mounted at either end of the "T". But, you're correct that better photos would be helpful. >3. On the side of the fuselage under the gunners cockpit is a legend >which starts > >"This machine must not be....." > >in letters about 1" tall. White letters (damn, black would be simple). > >So how do I do this convincingly? So far the best ideas I have are a >row of scratches through to the white card underneath, or segments of >old fashioned illegible jet aircraft stencils pirated from a surplus >sheet >(borrowed from someone. *I* wouldn't own such a thing ;-) I'd go with the pirated illegible decals. I've tried the teeny-tiny scratchings approach and it's tough to make that appear convincing. Getting the "scratchings" in a straight line and all the same height is a "bear". The pirated decals at least have the lines straight and all the "letters" are the same height. (Why would black be simple?) Cheers and all, -- - Bill Shatzer bshatzer@orednet.org - "Oh, what sad times are these when passing ruffians can say 'ni' at will to old ladies." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 10:39:51 +0100 (BST) From: Sandy Adam To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Sopwith Triplane -- Black Flight kit and question. Message-ID: I agree that it is strange that a plane that was as good as the Sopwith Triplane should have had as short a life in frontline service as it did but the answer I think lies (as already suggested) in the armament. Collishaw states (in "Air Command") that he was always frustrated at having one slow-synchronised gun that went rat-a-tat-tat with which to encounter an enemy who had two fast-synchronised guns that sounded like fabric ripping when they fired (or words to that effect). Several times in his book he yearns for two guns and immediately takes one of the six two-gun planes when it is offered. He says that the extra gun causes loss of some performance, especially above 10,000 feet but that he is more than happy with the trade-off. However some of the other Naval Ten pilots are not so sure. This makes me think that the performance loss was greater than you might immediately think from reading his account. After all Collishaw was an experienced pilot and like Richthofen put his faith in getting in close and making sure his bullets hit home. Many times in the book he uses a phrase like "I saw the bullets going straight into the pilot". For him firepower and accuracy were more important than 5mph speed. As Richthofen chose the Dr1 for reasons other than speed, so Collishaw would forego performance as the price for getting bullets on target. Less good marksmen would perhaps be happier knowing that if they missed, their plane had the extra performance to get them out of trouble. Collishaw says only 180 Tripes were made and presumably when Sopwith saw what they had coming onstream with the Camel they saw no point in building more Tripes. After all the RFC wouldn't buy them (God knows why - they needed them) and the RNAS had all they could use. Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 06:42:36 -0700 From: Tom Eisenhour To: wwi Subject: Re: The SE 5 File Message-ID: <334E3FCC.47A8@swbell.net> Mike wrote: > There's a breif section on history and also one on markings and > colors (ah yes, somebody's favorite PC-10), which would be of interest to > those on this list. What does it say about PC-10? TIA, Tom Eisenhour eisen@swbell.net ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 13:45:14 +0100 (BST) From: Sandy Adam To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Bristol Fighter details Message-ID: On Thu, 10 Apr 1997, Shane Weier wrote: problems > 1. The area on the nose under the radiator shutters and radiator core is > apparently open, since the front of the engine block and forward ends of > the engine bearers are visible. This means that I may need to detail the > underside of the engine block more than I have so far. I have some > drawings and some pics. but I'd reallt *love* to see a head on shot of > the nose to see how much *is* visible from in front > Sounds like you are probably our leading authority on Brisfits Shane and my tuppence worth might not add anything but FWIW: When I scratchbuilt mine some years ago, I used the old Aeromodeller Plans Service plan A2692 which shows a front view divided between a RR Falcon I/Mk1 to the left and a RR Falcon III/Mk4 to the right. The Mk1 plan is based on probably the most authentic surviving F2B (in the IWM) and shows 5 horizontal louvres with an area above (small) and below (larger) covered in fine wire mesh. I represented this on my model with some small open-weave material (can't remember exactly what) and coloured this gunmetal. These plans give side views of engine bearer framework, which I assume you already have, but there are OK-ish pictures and excellent sketches of this in the RAF Museum vol on Technical and Rigging Notes. Views are side and three-quarters front. These could well be used to construct a skeletal model a la Eduard (only in the True Believer's 48 Scale of course) if mood and skill so took you. In my model I built the front framework, put in an RR-ish "lump" and covered the whole nose section with thin plastic sheet with holes in all the right places and popped the slatted and meshed radiator on the front, It looks right to me and head-on looks like there is something in there worthy of the RR badge. I do see that some pictures - such as E2285 on the cover of the Datafile - seem to show just a hole but I am sure this varied from batch to batch, perhaps even field-fitted. I took a video in Hendon last year which may have head-on of their F2B but I can't remember - any use I will let you know. > 2. I intend to finish the aircraft as a 1AFC aircraft flown by Capt Ross > Smith in the Middle East. A picture of he and his gunner Lt EA Mustard > on page 17 of the Sqd Sig In Action title shows the dual Lewis guns on > the Scarff ring, but gives too little help as to how the guns are paired > and mounted on the ring. The detail drawing on page 14 is unhelpfull, > and seems to contradict the photo. Any help anyone? Is there anything > in Harry Woodmans "Early Aircraft Armament"? > The book holds probably exactly what you want - ie plans on page 59 for two sorts of twin-lewis rings, both fitted to F2Bs. I'm afraid I have no scanning facility here, but perhaps Riordan or one of the others could help here. Hope that might be of some use. Sandy (PS I trust you will paint it PC10?) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 08:02:53 +0000 From: "Paul Schwartzkopf" To: wwi Subject: Re: Morane Saulnier 'N' Message-ID: <199704111303.IAA01459@tscrypt1.transcrypt.com> Thanks for all the input on the MS N monoplane, guys! As my modeling interests span the entire length of the plastic industry, my reference books are varied in subject material. My WW1 material is limited to maybe a dozen books and several Profiles, so I find this list invaluble for the information exchanged here. I saw several inaccuracies on the Revell 1/72 kit just at a casual glance, but it sounds like some work to make it really accurate--I may just make a few corrections and keep it as a dust collector (vs a contest model) on my shelf, or maybe just go ahead and start the Eduard kit. If a model kit "looks" like a particular aircraft to me, that is usually good enough reason for me to build it. I just like being accurate in any cockpit details I add, and of course, using historical markings. I was really hoping to get the MS N started this weekend, especially with the prospect of having 6-10 inches of "April sunshine" on my driveway to keep me inside! Paul ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 08:32:20 -0500 From: "Joseph Gentile" To: "WWI Mail list" Subject: Gotha project Message-ID: <199704111338.IAA09593@Walden.MO.NET> I am gettting late into the planning stages of the Rareplanes Gotha G.V and so far so good. I have everything on hand and allocated for a good project, including: Superdetailed twin Mercedes a la Rob Reinforced struts and undercarriage courtesy of Sandy Interior stringers HO wood 2x2's sanded down to size (Charlie) Underside rib detail utilizing 1/64 chart pack tape (Bob N and others) Decals from Steve S WWI aero interior drawings and photos from Herr Bittner I still intend on casting the PuW bombs but will probably limit myself to 50 and 100 kg examples. Unless anyone can tell me differently I will turn the bombs from hardwood dowels, seal them and use brass for the fins. Since this is turning into a very realistic project I thought it might be nice to display it in a vignette/diorama setting, complete with both flight crew, ground personnel and maybe a vehicle or two. Are there any teeny people and vehicles available in 1/72 or 1/76 that are suitable for this era? I am not beyond swapping heads and toros and would appreciate any input from the list. This is already turning into a WWI mail list kit I am just managing the ideas. Thanks to everyone who has helped so far. I'll keep the list posted as things progress. Joe ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 09:41:18 -0400 (EDT) From: GRBroman@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Back on the List and Beardmores Message-ID: <970411094117_-668382146@emout06.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 97-04-10 12:27:36 EDT, you write: << I apparently got knocked off the FAQ list last week and just re-subscribed today, if anyone has asked me for anything and not received a reply I apologize. Hopefully I got an email out on modifying a 1/48 Morane 'H' and the group received it last week. >> Charlie, good to see you back. Did the postcard mke it back okay? Thanks, Glen ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 09:35:54 -0500 From: Charles_A._Duckworth@notes.up.com (Charles A. Duckworth) To: wwi Subject: Re: Back on the List and Beardmores Message-ID: <1997Apr11.073341.1155.1460968@uprr-internet.notes.up.com> Yes it did, looking forward to the FT-17 book. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 11:07:34 -0700 From: "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" To: wwi Subject: Omanson--server crash Message-ID: <334E7DE6.35A9@host.dmsc.net> My server crashed & burned yesterday, with a loss of all yesterday's & today's mssgs. If anyone tried to reach me, please try again. Thanks, Bradley Omanson homanger@host.dmsc.net ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 19:21:13 -0700 From: Tom Werner Hansen To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Mail order in Europe Message-ID: <334EF199.EC4@sn.no> Enjoyed reading the reviews/experiences with Transatlantic mail order firms. It makes little sense for me to order from the US, though. Does anybody have similar vast experience with "Cisatlantic" mail order firms. I used to order stuff from Mssrs Berwick in Kettering, Hants. UK, but that was years ago. Where are the better mail order houses in Europe for WW1-modellers? Tom Werner Hansen Norway. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 16:38:11 -0400 From: Geoff Smith To: "INTERNET:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Mail order in Europe Message-ID: <199704111637_MC2-1421-DF9@compuserve.com> Tom Werner Hansen wrote: >Enjoyed reading the reviews/experiences with Transatlantic mail order firms. It makes little sense for me to order from the US, though. Does anybody have similar vast experience with "Cisatlantic" mail order firms. I used to order stuff from Mssrs Berwick in Kettering, Hants. UK, but that was years ago. Where are the better mail order houses in Europe for WW1-modellers?< Tom, Try Hannants at : Harbour Road, Oulton Broad, Lowestoft, Suffolk, NR32 3LZ, England (Telephone 01502 517444) This is the only European firm I've dealt with and I've had no problems at all - phone orders efficiently taken and quickly despatched - and they've always had what I required. Highly recommended. Geoff ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 19:06:49 -0700 From: "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" To: wwi Subject: Tuesday, 10 April 1917, Paris, Le Bourget, Paris again Message-ID: <334EEE39.7FE8@host.dmsc.net> 981. Austria has broken relations with us of her own accord. Snowy off and on all day. Bid farewell to the Parkers early this morning. Went out to Le Bourget by trolley and met the rest there just as I was starting back. Our machines are not ready and the order giving them to us hadn't arrived yet so we came back to Paris for over tonight. The weather has been very poor for going up anyway. Called on Mr Hedin and Mr Grundy. Grundy is sending a cable to Uncle Clair for me for 150 dollars. I may get leave to the States in a month of so and will need the money for expenses. Went to see Mr Guerquin late this afternoon. His wife was feeling badly so he couldn't take me to dinner as he wished to do. If we are here tomorrow noon I'm to lunch with them both. Met a gentleman friend of his who is very influential with the French Minister of Marine and the War Office and he is going to help me get the French to request my reinstatement by the U.S. government. Also Mr Guerquin knows Capt. Boyd and is going to see him tomorrow so he'll put in a good strong word to him for me. I surely am fortunate about having excellent and influential friends over here who wish to help me to make good. Dined with Chatkoff this evening and came to the Hotel Avenida, where I am staying with Lovell for the night, to turn in early. Feel very tired. We are all to meet the Captain tomorrow a.m. at the Chatham at 9:30 for orders about going out to the front. I've got to see Mr Guerquin directly afterwards. Steve Bigelow knows Mr Morane quite well and is trying to secure a Morane Monocock for himself and me. I sure hope he does. Its heaps better than the Spad. I want one very much indeed. Germany is trying to back down with the U.S. She is surely done for very soon. from the War Diary of E.C.C. Genet, N-124 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 19:16:24 -0400 (EDT) From: GRBroman@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Gotha project Message-ID: <970411191146_-1570123605@emout03.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 97-04-11 12:31:38 EDT, you write: << Since this is turning into a very realistic project I thought it might be nice to display it in a vignette/diorama setting, complete with both flight crew, ground personnel and maybe a vehicle or two. Are there any teeny people and vehicles available in 1/72 or 1/76 that are suitable for this era? I am not beyond swapping heads and toros and would appreciate any input from the list. This is already turning into a WWI mail list kit I am just managing the ideas. >> Joe, I think I have some 1/72 flight crew wandering around here from my various HP 0/100 and 400 projects. Send em your address and I will mail them off. Glen ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 19:22:52 -0700 From: "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" To: wwi Subject: Wednesday, 11 April 1917, Paris Message-ID: <334EF1FC.3F46@host.dmsc.net> 982. Brazil has declared war upon Germany and it looks as tho Chile and Argentina will also very soon. Rather muggy day with steady rain by the evening. Went down to the Hotel Chatam and met Captain Thenault at 9:30 for orders about flying out. No order has yet come for us to take out machines so we can do nothing but wait for them. Perhaps orders will be here by to-morrow. I hope so because I'm not at all flush with funds altho yesterday I drew 50 francs of my next month allowance from the Franco-American Corps to tidy me over a bit. Had to do it as I was about broke. Went over to see Mr Gerquin. He will be able to help me with getting my Navy record clear. Went up to the Amer. Embassy and saw Capt. Boyd the military attache to whom Major Parker has presented my case. He was very pleasant to me and will use use his best judgement about the matter and help me all he can. I've written him a letter with all the facts of my case this evening. Had a fine luncheon with Mr and Mrs Guerquin at the Chatham Grill Room. Called on Dr Gros in the afternoon to pay him my respects. As soon as my citation arrives I'll get 500 Francs from the committee. That will help lots if I secure leave to the States later provided I can keep away from temptation to blow in all that cash. Felt very fatigued by 6 o'clock so came back to the Avenida and had tea and turned in. The rooms here are very good, have hot and cold running water and are only 4 francs for us. The Canadians have made a splendid drive around Arras these last 2 days and have taken nearly 1200 prisoners. The U.S. Steamship New York has been sunk by striking a mine. I'd feel better and far less lonely if Helen Harper was in town. The house is closed so Mrs H. must be in the country and Helen is either still in Rome or is in the country with her mother. from the War Diary of E.C.C. Genet, N-124 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 18:28:04 -0700 From: hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) To: wwi Subject: Re: Morane Saulnier 'N' Message-ID: >On Thu, 10 Apr 1997 18:03:16 -0400 "Paul Schwartzkopf" > writes: > >> Does anyone have any suggestions for reference material for the >> Morane Saulnier N monoplane? I am particularly interested in >> cockpit layout and markings (preferrably French). > >As Charles said, go with the Datafile. However, I also show the >following: > >Airpower: Nov 1995 >Aviation News: 24 Jul 1986 >OtF: Vol 8 No 4 >Windsock: Best of, Vol 1; Vol 2 No 1; (those two have the >correction article, for the Revell kit) Vol 5 No 3 > Add to this list: J.M. Bruce, 1972, Fighters, Volume 5, Doubleday Press. Good summary of MS Types among others. Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 20:27:14 -0500 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Morane Saulnier 'N' Message-ID: <19970411.202714.16438.2.mbittner@juno.com> On Fri, 11 Apr 1997 20:31:00 -0400 hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) writes: > Add to this list: Don't forget the wonderul tome from Flying Machines Press, due soon!!! I, for one, can not wait. That's why I haven't worked on a M-S type I, yet... Matt mbittner@juno.com nb: Eduard Albatros D.V (dang, this thing is *huge*!) nu: A little off the path, but the 1920 Macchi M.16 np: TV nr: _America's First Eagles_, Lucien Taylor ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 19:40:18 -0700 From: Michelle and Rory Goodwin To: wwi Subject: Re: Gotha project Message-ID: <334EF612.1E24@ricochet.net> Joseph Gentile wrote: > > I am gettting late into the planning stages of the Rareplanes Gotha G.V and > so far so good. I have everything on hand and allocated for a good > project, including: > > Superdetailed twin Mercedes a la Rob > Reinforced struts and undercarriage courtesy of Sandy > Interior stringers HO wood 2x2's sanded down to size (Charlie) > Underside rib detail utilizing 1/64 chart pack tape (Bob N and others) > Decals from Steve S > WWI aero interior drawings and photos from Herr Bittner > > I still intend on casting the PuW bombs but will probably limit myself to > 50 and 100 kg examples. > Unless anyone can tell me differently I will turn the bombs from hardwood > dowels, seal them and use brass for the fins. > > Since this is turning into a very realistic project I thought it might be > nice to display it in a vignette/diorama setting, complete with both flight > crew, ground personnel and maybe a vehicle or two. Are there any teeny > people and vehicles available in 1/72 or 1/76 that are suitable for this > era? I am not beyond swapping heads and toros and would appreciate any > input from the list. This is already turning into a WWI mail list kit I am > just managing the ideas. > > Thanks to everyone who has helped so far. I'll keep the list posted as > things progress. > > Joe Joe, Pavla/RPM (a Polish outfit) makes a kit of PuW bombs in 50, 100 & 300 kg sizes and they are molded sans fins, but come with templates. Check your finer hobby shops or mail-order houses. My best answer for figures is crew members that come with the common Airfix Roland C.II/ rare Hannover Cl.III and the out of print Airfix set of WWI Germans, some of whom have caps rather than Picklehauben (?). I've also got a Gotha, but it's doomed to languishing in its box probably until I reach geezerhood... Good Luck Riordan -- Shelley and Riordan Goodwin Visit our websites: Riordan's Wings of Revolution: http://www.serve.com/rgoodwin Shelley's Jewelry Gifts: http://www.silkroadjewels.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 19:58:28 -0700 From: Michelle and Rory Goodwin To: wwi Subject: Re: Tuesday, 10 April 1917, Paris, Le Bourget, Paris again Message-ID: <334EFA54.E11@ricochet.net> Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson wrote: > > 981. Austria has broken relations with us of her own accord. Snowy off > and on all day. Bid farewell to the Parkers early this morning. Went out > to Le Bourget by trolley and met the rest there just as I was starting > back. Our machines are not ready and the order giving them to us hadn't > arrived yet so we came back to Paris for over tonight. The weather has > been very poor for going up anyway. Called on Mr Hedin and Mr Grundy. > Grundy is sending a cable to Uncle Clair for me for 150 dollars. I may > get leave to the States in a month of so and will need the money for > expenses. Went to see Mr Guerquin late this afternoon. His wife was > feeling badly so he couldn't take me to dinner as he wished to do. If we > are here tomorrow noon I'm to lunch with them both. Met a gentleman > friend of his who is very influential with the French Minister of Marine > and the War Office and he is going to help me get the French to request > my reinstatement by the U.S. government. Also Mr Guerquin knows Capt. > Boyd and is going to see him tomorrow so he'll put in a good strong word > to him for me. I surely am fortunate about having excellent and > influential friends over here who wish to help me to make good. Dined > with Chatkoff this evening and came to the Hotel Avenida, where I am > staying with Lovell for the night, to turn in early. Feel very tired. We > are all to meet the Captain tomorrow a.m. at the Chatham at 9:30 for > orders about going out to the front. I've got to see Mr Guerquin directly > afterwards. Steve Bigelow knows Mr Morane quite well and is trying to > secure a Morane Monocock for himself and me. I sure hope he does. Its > heaps better than the Spad. I want one very much indeed. Germany is > trying to back down with the U.S. She is surely done for very soon. > > from the War Diary of E.C.C. Genet, N-124 Genet's Nieuport=XI? Spad=VII? Morane Monocock= Morane N? -- Riordan Shelley and Riordan Goodwin Visit our websites: Riordan's Wings of Revolution: http://www.serve.com/rgoodwin Shelley's Jewelry Gifts: http://www.silkroadjewels.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 21:23:06 -0700 From: hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) To: wwi Subject: Re: Tuesday, 10 April 1917, Paris, Le Bourget, Paris again Message-ID: >Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson wrote: >> >> 981. Austria has broken relations with us of her own accord. Snowy off <> >> trying to back down with the U.S. She is surely done for very soon. >> >> from the War Diary of E.C.C. Genet, N-124 Riordan inquires: >Genet's Nieuport=XI? In not a 17. > Spad=VII? Probably. >Morane Monocock= Morane N? More likely a Morane Saulnier AI Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 494 *********************