WWI Digest 489 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Friday, 6 April 1917, Raoenel, Ham by "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" 2) Re: Book Review: Aviation Awards of the Kingdom of Wuerttemberg by Carlos Valdes 3) Re: More thoughts about the pin by Carlos Valdes 4) Re: Book Review: Aviation Awards of the Kingdom of Wuerttemberg by Peter Kilduff 5) Re: [Fwd: More thoughts about the pin] by Frank Landrus 6) Re: Wednesday, 4 April 1917, Raoenel by lothar@televar.com (mark) 7) List Pin by mbittner@juno.com 8) Re: Renovation of old stuff by mbittner@juno.com 9) Re: Wednesday, 4 April 1917, Raoenel by gspring@ix.netcom.com 10) Re: Strutters/Pups of the Rising Sun by Hirohisa Ozaki 11) Re[2]: Strutters/Pups of the Rising Sun by "Shelley Goodwin" 12) Re: Wednesday, 4 April 1917, Raoenel by barrett@iplink.net (barrett) 13) Re: Wednesday, 4 April 1917, Raoenel by "CLINTON P. LOVELL" 14) Re: Review: Eduard Pfalz D.III by mnelson@compusmart.ab.ca (Mark K. Nelson) 15) Re: Wednesday, 4 April 1917, Raoenel by "Douglas R. Jones" 16) Re: Wednesday, 4 April 1917, Raoenel by Kevin Wenker 17) Re: Aurora kits by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 18) Re: Aurora kits(CORRECTION!) by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 19) any messages? by "Valenciano . Jose" 20) Re: Renovation of old stuff by Sandy Adam 21) Re: Wednesday, 4 April 1917, Raoenel by bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 22) ATTN: MIKE MUTH / Tuesday, 27 March 1917, Raoenel by "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" 23) Saturday, 7 April 1917, Ham by "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" 24) Re: Wednesday, 4 April 1917, Raoenel by Sandy Adam 25) Re: Hanriot HD.1Colors by "Joseph Gentile" 26) Re: Hanriot HD.1Colors by Alberto Rada ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 06 Apr 1997 11:48:19 -0700 From: "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" To: wwi Subject: Friday, 6 April 1917, Raoenel, Ham Message-ID: <3347EFF3.4A4C@host.dmsc.net> 977. Our new secteur postal is #98. Fine all morning but showers came up in the afternoon and it is very rainy to night. I was up at 5:30 this a.m. packed up my things to be taken to Ham by auto and left the field at 6:10 for Bonneuil where I landed to wait for Thaw and Soubiran and for orders. They came along about 7 o'clock and Thaw and I went out over the lines together as Soubiran couldn't accompany us on account of a broken machine gun. We stayed around St Quentin. Saw two Boche machines well above us and in their lines but Thaw's motor was running poorly and he had to return so I didn't try to go after them alone. Came back to Bonneuil at the end of two hours. Saw the sourthern part of St Quentin being heavily shelled by the French. The Boche batteries put some shells very close to Thaw and me. Flew from Bonneuil to our new aviation camp at the southern edge of Ham. The Captain was already there and we walked into Ham together before lunch. Our quarters here are quite comfortable. We are installed in a house. Willis, Lovell and I have a room together with a nice stove and a table and chairs. We're better than we were at St Just. Its only a short walk to the field. Lovell, Willis and I walked up to see the ruins in Ham this p.m. The chateau is totally blown up and also the bridges across the canal and big holes in the main streets. The children in Ham all wanted to hold my hands when I was there with the Captain. The papers to-day have brought us the glad news that the United States have at last officially declared war against Germany. It occurred yesterday. The French soldiers seem to be very very pleased over it. It's a good moral effect for them and a disastrous one for the Boches. No news has come concerning us yet. It will take some time for anything like that. Big attack is expected to be pulled off by the French to-morrow and we may have to go out more than once if the weather permits which it doesn't look much like doing just now. Rain is descending in torrents. from the War Diary of E.C.C. Genet ****************************** Friday, April 6, 1917 Over the lines around St Quentin with Lieut. Thaw between 7:30 and 9:30 a.m. Thaw had to return after an hour on account of motor trouble so I didn't try to go after the three Boche avions we spotted over their lines north and east of St Quentin. Saw the French heavily bombarding the southern edge of St Quentin and also the village of Urivillers. The latter was taken by them today. Flew to our new aviation camp on the norhern edge of Ham on the road to Guiscard and Nyon after giving my report at the G.D.E. at Chateau Bonneuil. Lt de Laage, Lufberry, Soubiran, Haviland, Lovell, Willis and myself came here today. The rest come tomorrow or later. Time: 2 hours 45 minutes Height: Maximum 3800 meters from the Flight Log of E.C.C. Genet, N-124 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Apr 1997 12:51:05 -0400 From: Carlos Valdes To: wwi Subject: Re: Book Review: Aviation Awards of the Kingdom of Wuerttemberg Message-ID: <3347D479.9D@conted.gatech.edu> Peter, Any thoughts on where I could find volume I? Carlos ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Apr 1997 12:53:54 -0400 From: Carlos Valdes To: wwi Subject: Re: More thoughts about the pin Message-ID: <3347D522.7EBE@conted.gatech.edu> FWIW: there already is a baby Blue Max pin out there, about one inch by one inch. I have one, and it looks very nice; unfortunately, I don't know of a source for it. Carlos ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Apr 1997 15:31:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Peter Kilduff To: wwi Subject: Re: Book Review: Aviation Awards of the Kingdom of Wuerttemberg Message-ID: <970406153107.20210a3e@CCSUA.CTSTATEU.EDU> Carlos, Try the rare book market for Vol. I of _Aviation Awards of Imperial Germany in World War I_ by Neal W. O'Connor (1988). It's a gem and rare as hen's teeth. That's why I am urging people to snap up whatever volumes in this series they can find. There is something for everyone in them (researchers, modelers, buffs). They are extremely well done, privately printed and not likely to be reprinted. I am surprised that Vol. IV is still available (and I don't know about Vol. III; I and II are gone, for sure). Peter ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Apr 1997 14:38:24 -0600 From: Frank Landrus To: John Huggins Subject: Re: [Fwd: More thoughts about the pin] Message-ID: <334809C0.789D@flash.net> Frank Landrus wrote: John : I had sent this back in March. I've seen the normal amount of postings on the WWI group, you might check with your server. Frank > Matt : > Sign me up for the pin, however it turns out. While I understand the > sensitivityto members havingthe Chandelle address on the pin, I don't > think that would stop most from wearing it. While I won't make the > Nationals, I'll be at Squadron ScaleFest in Plano at the end of May. > I'd be happy to wear it there. > Frank > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: More thoughts about the pin > Date: Sun, 23 Mar 1997 10:14:34 -0500 > From: mbittner@juno.com > Reply-To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu > To: Multiple recipients of list > > Well, I originally said that 18 buttons were wanted. That's > still true. However, I also believe that there should be a > percentage made over and above that number, just in case someone > decides at a later date they want one, as well as for the new > members we get with our new pin. ;-) > > I also believe that there are more list members truly wanting a > pin. My offer still stands, to help John (or whomever) with the > load: email me direct (as to avoid list bandwidth problems) with > the number of pins you want. Again, my email address is: > > mbittner@juno.com > > I also believe that once John (or whomever) has his image, that > it should be a .jpg, or whatever, so we can print off these > images onto card stock, or self adhesive labels to make "cheap" > pins, and affix them everywhere (I for one want to affix ones to > our contest flyers). > > Assuming I haven't pissed everyone off, please let me know (and > John, as well) how the list wants to handle this. Remember that > Rob's idea (a good one, don't get me wrong) was just for the > image; John is willing to print up and make the pins. Al also > had an idea for the image, but I'm not sure how that one has > gone. > > Matt > mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Apr 1997 15:42:41 -0700 (PDT) From: lothar@televar.com (mark) To: wwi Subject: Re: Wednesday, 4 April 1917, Raoenel Message-ID: <199704062242.PAA21327@concord.televar.com> When we last checked in with our hero, Genet..... >[snippage...] Soubiran arrived from Paris this afternoon with the great >news that the U.S. has declared war against Germany and Paris is >decorated with Old Glory everywhere. Am mighty well affected with the >news. Have pinned on my coat my little flag. I wish we could fling out in >sight of all the Germans the glorious stars and stripes to defy them. And then a couple of sentences later.... I've never had such a feeling or been so saddened since coming >over to battle for this glorious France. I tore into shreds a little >silken American flag which I've carried since the beginning of my >enlistment. Somehow it seems a mockery to rejoice over the entrance of >our country into the conflict.....[snippage] Sheesh, this guy can't seem to make up his mind about *anything*, whether it's the flag, Mom, apple pie or Gertie. Reminds me of something I read the other day: "Roses are red, violets are blue, I'm schizophrenic And so am I" ;-) Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Apr 1997 18:06:01 -0500 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: List Pin Message-ID: <19970406.180601.13326.2.mbittner@juno.com> I propose we go with John's idea anyway. As he already said, he's under a time constraint, and needs to know now. Since it's only a "small" pin, we can use this for the "time being" until others can come up with a more "permanent" solution. Since our next contest in this area is 19 April, I would really like to have the pin before then. I realize it's probably too soon, but at least we can have something relatively quickly, before most of the "larger" contests get under way. Thoughts/ideas? Matt mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Apr 1997 17:57:20 -0500 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Renovation of old stuff Message-ID: <19970406.180601.13326.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Sun, 6 Apr 1997 09:08:06 -0400 Steve Borland writes: > Which leads me to the next question - do any of the decal sheets > one sees in the various ads have suitable sized roundals? The > Snipe is a fairly wide chord wing and most of the sheets I've > seen seem to be intended fot a Camel-ish chord. I intend to > refinish it in the same scheme, and was thinking of doing the > white bands using a solid white dcal sheet, painting the > intermediate bands of PC10 on hte sheet prior to applying. Does > anybody have a better idea? I'm not sure about the Blue Rider sheet(s), but the Americal decals usually have all dimensions known. > I am currently doing a SMER DH2 (they are very cheap to > experiment on!) using some of the techniques shown in Harry > Woodman's book "Scale Model Aircraft in Plastic Card" from 1975. > I have just finished doing a new 4 blade prop and a new engine, > using his methods. Damn good stuff! At one time, he mentioned a > firm in Canada caled Fotocut Labs who did some photoetching work > for him. Does anybody over there in Canada know whether they are > still around? The first article in Scale Models appeared back in > 1973, so any information of a more recent date would be welcome! Fotocut is alive and well. You can find them almost anywhere, especially those shops listed on the web page (Rosemont is one). Good luck. Matt mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Apr 1997 19:57:13 -0500 (CDT) From: gspring@ix.netcom.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Wednesday, 4 April 1917, Raoenel Message-ID: <199746195449141@ix.netcom.com> On 04/06/97 18:48:54 Lothar wrote: (Snip of by-now-familiar Genet angst.) >Sheesh, this guy can't seem to make up his mind about *anything* Well, let's cut the guy a little more slack. He isn't going to be making very many more entries. Cheers! Greg ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 10:07:37 +0900 From: Hirohisa Ozaki To: wwi Subject: Re: Strutters/Pups of the Rising Sun Message-ID: <9704070108.AA00533@wight.miln.mei.co.jp> On August 1918, No.1 Airgroup with five So shiki, 2 gata/Strutter and 3 gata/Pup, arrived in Vladivostok. They have achieved great results, but my references did not teach me more detail. Sorry. Sopwith Schneider = So shiki 1 gata. Strutter = So shiki 2 gata. Pup = So shiki 3 gata. "So" is initial character of Sopwith written in katakana. "shiki" is meaning type. This indicated in "kanji" Chinese character. Yes, "1", "2", "3" is figure of subtype, as like Be"2"c. Note this indicated in "kanji", not Arabic. "gata" is meaning subtype indicated by "kanji". Strutter which top photo in page 21 of DATAFILE No.34 carry "So shiki 2 gata" on rudder. Pup which top photo in page 30 of DATAFILE SPECIAL carry "So shiki 3 gata" on rudder. Ah, How to do that I show "kanji" and "katakana" character to everyone? Cheers! Hiro. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Apr 97 18:33:50 PST From: "Shelley Goodwin" To: wwi Subject: Re[2]: Strutters/Pups of the Rising Sun Message-ID: <9703068603.AA860373856@mx.Ricochet.net> Hiro, Thanks! This is all very interesting to me. Is No. 1 Airgroup Army or Navy detatchment? Are the photos in the Datfiles of the Vladivostok aircraft? I would like to see these. There will be a section in my new web page on Japanese aviation in Siberia. If you are interested in more info on these planes, or this campaign, just let me know. Riordan ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Strutters/Pups of the Rising Sun Author: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu at Internet Date: 4/6/97 5:10 PM On August 1918, No.1 Airgroup with five So shiki, 2 gata/Strutter and 3 gata/Pup, arrived in Vladivostok. They have achieved great results, but my references did not teach me more detail. Sorry. Sopwith Schneider = So shiki 1 gata. Strutter = So shiki 2 gata. Pup = So shiki 3 gata. "So" is initial character of Sopwith written in katakana. "shiki" is meaning type. This indicated in "kanji" Chinese character. Yes, "1", "2", "3" is figure of subtype, as like Be"2"c. Note this indicated in "kanji", not Arabic. "gata" is meaning subtype indicated by "kanji". Strutter which top photo in page 21 of DATAFILE No.34 carry "So shiki 2 gata" on rudder. Pup which top photo in page 30 of DATAFILE SPECIAL carry "So shiki 3 gata" on rudder. Ah, How to do that I show "kanji" and "katakana" character to everyone? Cheers! Hiro. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Apr 1997 22:15:33 -0500 From: barrett@iplink.net (barrett) To: wwi Subject: Re: Wednesday, 4 April 1917, Raoenel Message-ID: A recent exchange on the list: > >>Sheesh, this guy can't seem to make up his mind about *anything* > >Well, let's cut the guy a little more slack. He isn't going to be making very >many more entries. > Cut him some slack is right! I've been following these diary entries for six months, and not knowing anything else about Genet, and not having the book that the entries are taken from, I had no idea about this guy's fate. In fact, I thought he probably survived the war to publish his war diary himself. Then, just yesterday, I ran across some information about him in "Bloody April...Black September" and was mortified to learn what befell him. It made me very, very sad. This young man has really been brought to life for me over the past half-year. To think that all the aviators and young soldiers of WWI were so human...the conflict was such a waste. My thanks to the diligent soul who has transcribed this diary for us. Kevin B. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Apr 1997 22:11:26 -0500 (CDT) From: "CLINTON P. LOVELL" To: wwi Subject: Re: Wednesday, 4 April 1917, Raoenel Message-ID: <199704070311.WAA16988@sakaki.communique.net> What is more sobering is to go to the graveyards in France and Belgium and see the rows upon rows of white crosses. It gives you goose pimples. My grandfather and his brothers fought in WWI and I grew up knowing several WWI veterans. I even got to meet a WWI pilot who had flown with the 94th Aero Squadron and later served Henry Ford as his personal chauffeur. It (the war) was a waste!! So many good men like my grandfather, who never made it back. And the irony is that there was very little logical reason for this war. I think that we should look at Genet thru the eyes of his times and not thru the post-Vietnam cynacism that clouds our contemporary view. At 10:14 PM 4/6/97 -0400, you wrote: >A recent exchange on the list: >> >>>Sheesh, this guy can't seem to make up his mind about *anything* >> >>Well, let's cut the guy a little more slack. He isn't going to be making very >>many more entries. >> > > >Cut him some slack is right! I've been following these diary entries for >six months, and not knowing anything else about Genet, and not having the >book that the entries are taken from, I had no idea about this guy's fate. >In fact, I thought he probably survived the war to publish his war diary >himself. Then, just yesterday, I ran across some information about him in >"Bloody April...Black September" and was mortified to learn what befell >him. It made me very, very sad. This young man has really been brought to >life for me over the past half-year. To think that all the aviators and >young soldiers of WWI were so human...the conflict was such a waste. > >My thanks to the diligent soul who has transcribed this diary for us. > >Kevin B. > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Apr 1997 20:23:43 -0700 From: mnelson@compusmart.ab.ca (Mark K. Nelson) To: wwi Subject: Re: Review: Eduard Pfalz D.III Message-ID: >Mark, > A good job on the review. It should be noted, however, that Eduard >goofed by including the Berthold markings--all available evidence >indicates his colorful crate having been a D.IIIa and not a D.III. > Carlos Yeah I was wondering about that (since the other Berthold kits are of D.IIIa) but I couldn't find any info in my meagre library to support/deny this. You're welcome to yourself & Mike Muth, etc. . . _____________________________________________________________________ Mark (An Employee at Kites & Other Delights in West Edmonton Mall) ------------------------ mnelson@compusmart.ab.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Apr 1997 22:23:32 -0500 From: "Douglas R. Jones" To: wwi Subject: Re: Wednesday, 4 April 1917, Raoenel Message-ID: <3.0.16.19970406222329.4fdf1974@deimos.tx.iex.com> At 10:12 PM 4/6/97 -0400, you wrote: >life for me over the past half-year. To think that all the aviators and >young soldiers of WWI were so human...the conflict was such a waste. Amen! >My thanks to the diligent soul who has transcribed this diary for us. Mine too! Doug -------------------------------------------------- 'I am a traveler of | Douglas R. Jones both Time and Space' | IEX Corporation Led Zeppelin | (972)301-1307 | djones@iex.com -------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Apr 1997 23:50:18 -0500 From: Kevin Wenker To: wwi Subject: Re: Wednesday, 4 April 1917, Raoenel Message-ID: <33487D0A.78F1@interaccess.com> CLINTON P. LOVELL wrote: > > What is more sobering is to go to the graveyards in France and Belgium and > see the rows upon rows of white crosses. It gives you goose pimples. My > grandfather and his brothers fought in WWI and I grew up knowing several WWI > veterans. I even got to meet a WWI pilot who had flown with the 94th Aero > Squadron and later served Henry Ford as his personal chauffeur. It (the war) > was a waste!! So many good men like my grandfather, who never made it back. > And the irony is that there was very little logical reason for this war. I > think that we should look at Genet thru the eyes of his times and not thru > the post-Vietnam cynacism that clouds our contemporary view. > > At 10:14 PM 4/6/97 -0400, you wrote: > >A recent exchange on the list: > >> > >>>Sheesh, this guy can't seem to make up his mind about *anything* > >> > >>Well, let's cut the guy a little more slack. He isn't going to be making very > >>many more entries. > >> > > > > > >Cut him some slack is right! I've been following these diary entries for > >six months, and not knowing anything else about Genet, and not having the > >book that the entries are taken from, I had no idea about this guy's fate. > >In fact, I thought he probably survived the war to publish his war diary > >himself. Then, just yesterday, I ran across some information about him in > >"Bloody April...Black September" and was mortified to learn what befell > >him. It made me very, very sad. This young man has really been brought to > >life for me over the past half-year. To think that all the aviators and > >young soldiers of WWI were so human...the conflict was such a waste. > > > >My thanks to the diligent soul who has transcribed this diary for us. > > > >Kevin B. > > > > > >I was very fortunate that my grandfather did make it back from the trenches. He was in the field artillery and drove caissons right up to the front lines delivering ammo. He then served as a sniper for a while before he was gassed. He talked a lot about Paris and he even demonstrated the turkey call he did to make German soldiers raise their heads. Beyond that, he talked VERY little about the fighting. He would get this far away look and say that that was a long time ago. Kevin W. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Apr 1997 22:28:42 -0700 From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: Aurora kits Message-ID: <199704070528.AA04677@ednet1.orednet.org> Mick wrote: >> In the UK, Aurora kits were bagged? > > Ah, "plus ca change....." : they're still being bagged 80) >Seriously, they appeared in plastic bags in Australia as well...... >but that was a loooong time ago 80) >> >> Thanks for the memories, Sandy! > Likewise. How does that make ya feel, Bill S.? 80) Quite ancient, actually. However, as the only WW1 plastic kits which are older than I say "Frog Penguin" on 'em, I already knew that! As a follow up to the fellow who inquired a few weeks back on a book giving information on the history of Aurora kits, John Burns has a brief blub in his most recent Kit Collectors' Clearinghouse referring to Rob Halberg who publishes something called "Aurora Journal". Probably a lot more in this on 'glow-in-the-dark' monsters than on WW1 kits but, if you're interested, you might drop Rob a line for more information on what's included and prices. The address is Box 670, Lakeville, MN 55044. Also included in this issue was a list of the 1997 plastic kits announced at the London Toy Show. Alas, not exactly dripping in WW1 stuff: Glencoe reissues of Aurora 1/48 kits: Pfalz D.IIIa (different decals than previous issue??) SPAD XIIIC.1 ( " ) Curtiss Jenny JN-4 DeHavilland DH-4 Hobbycraft: Sopwith Camel (1/32 reissue - different decals than original?) Eduard: Pfalz D.III (the kit already out?) And, as a small measure of consolation, Revell-Europe has scheduled a reissue of the 1/32 Matchbox Tiger Moth which, if not the right war, at least has the correct number of wings and is a nice kit to boot. (Although this was $25 in its last Matchbox incarnation several years back - plan on at least close to $50 this time around!) That's it! NO DML and only the single Eduard! No Airfix! I fear a repeat of the former WW1 drought may be fast approaching. Be nice to the specialty manufacturers like Sierra and Pegasus - I suspect we're gonna need 'em! Cheers, (I think) -- - Bill Shatzer bshatzer@orednet.org - "Oh, what sad times are these when passing ruffians can say 'ni' at will to old ladies." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Apr 1997 22:37:27 -0700 From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: Aurora kits(CORRECTION!) Message-ID: <199704070537.AA07295@ednet1.orednet.org> I mistyped: "Probably a lot more in this on 'glow-in-the-dark' monsters than on WW1 kits but, if you're interested, you might drop Rob a line for more information on what's included and prices. The address is Box 670, Lakeville, MN 55044." The CORRECT PO Box is 679! Remainder of address is correct, Sorry. Cheers, -- - Bill Shatzer bshatzer@orednet.org - "Oh, what sad times are these when passing ruffians can say 'ni' at will to old ladies." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 15:01:10 +0800 (GMT+0800) From: "Valenciano . Jose" To: wwi Subject: any messages? Message-ID: Hi all, My server was down for most of last week. Did any of you try to contact me within that time frame? Please resend your message. Thanks! ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 11:11:09 +0100 (BST) From: Sandy Adam To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Renovation of old stuff Message-ID: On Sun, 6 Apr 1997, Steve Borland wrote: > I have a number of oldish models which I would like to renovate. The > main problem is a rare BI-PLANES vac-form Snipe in 1/48 which I built > about 15 years ago (in Maj. Barkers colours of course). Problem is, the > Humbrol varnish I used to give a uniform semi-gloss has gone rather > yellow. Is there a way of removing the varnish without doing too much > damage to the plastic? > > Which leads me to the next question - do any of the decal sheets one > sees in the various ads have suitable sized roundals? The Snipe is a Hi Steve, I too have the Pamela Veal Snipe which fortunately still looks good after all these years - but I'll rush to the case and check it out after hearing your problem with old varnish. When I think how long that rigging took, I'd hate to consider pulling it all off to start again! I haven't checked against the model but the Blue Rider sheet of 1/48 roundels should probably yield trannies that fit. It includes sizes for Sopwith Strutters and suchlike. (It also includes some for HP 400/1500 bombers but God knows what they were thinking of when they included them - you could use them as dartboards I suppose) I must say I like a paler blue than the Ultamarine that you get with these and I overpainted the kit's original roundels to get the effect of sun bleaching. As some of the other list members may recall, I am an RFC/RAF nut and think that a good chocolatey shade of PC10 with pale blue roundels is about the most aesthetically pleasing finish you can get - not to mention damned sexy! Forget all those garish Fokkers and Pfalzes that look like somebody with an O-grade in Art when ballistic in a wallpaper shop... No, no go for a sepia tinted daguerrotype with understated style. OK boys, hit me. Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 08:15:20 -0400 From: bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Wednesday, 4 April 1917, Raoenel Message-ID: <199704071215.IAA10152@pease1.sr.unh.edu> At 10:12 PM 4/6/97 -0400, barrett wrote: > >Cut him some slack is right! I've been following these diary entries for >six months, and not knowing anything else about Genet, and not having the >book that the entries are taken from, I had no idea about this guy's fate. >In fact, I thought he probably survived the war to publish his war diary >himself. Then, just yesterday, I ran across some information about him in >"Bloody April...Black September" and was mortified to learn what befell >him. It made me very, very sad. This young man has really been brought to >life for me over the past half-year. To think that all the aviators and >young soldiers of WWI were so human...the conflict was such a waste. > >My thanks to the diligent soul who has transcribed this diary for us. Ah well, that's the plus and minus of diary reading, isn't it? We end up knowing sometimes too much about someone. I've enjoyed trashing old ECC as much as anyone on the list. Still, his diaries are so personal and uncensored that you can't help but feel that you are getting to know the guy. And the more you know someone, the more frustrated you can get with them. I missed a few entries due to a squirrel eating through my phone cable(no, this is not meant as a joke!) and still don"t know if he's ever gotten any more info re Gertie. My one overall thought for the guy is that he gets laid before........ Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 08:18:54 -0700 From: "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" To: wwi Subject: ATTN: MIKE MUTH / Tuesday, 27 March 1917, Raoenel Message-ID: <3349105E.2CAE@host.dmsc.net> 967. Cold, windy day with frequent flurries of snow sweeping down from the North. Could not go out flying. Mail arrived from the States to-day and brought me two letters from dear little Mother one of which (of March 11th) contains mighty disheartening news about beloved Gertrude for me. Mother enclosed a letter from Mrs Curry Barlow to her telling that Gertrude is very much in love and engaged to some fellow from Vermont. Mrs Barlow has forwarded all my letters to Gertrude. It seems to me that Gerty could have at least written to me about her engagement and not have kept me utterly miserable with no news from or about her at all. Mrs Barlow is writing to me, she tells Mother, so I'll get her letter soon. I am finished now with writing any more to Gertrude. I'm feeling about as miserable and forlorn as anyone could feel over such news. What's the use to being true to one girl when she is so far away? It won't make much difference after all, tho. I don't expect to live thru to the end of the war. A pleasant Canadian pilot from Squadron 54 at Chipilly by the name of Lt Smith got lost along the lines this morning and landed here before noon so we kept him for lunch. He wa piloting an 80 h.p. Sopwith Scout monoplace. Comes from near Toronto. The Canadian chaps are far more frank and sociable than the usual English pilots of the R.F.C. Letters came from Helen Harper written from Rome. She'll be back about Easter Time. Wrote to my Italian Legionairre friend, Montezze and a long answer to dear Mother late this afternoon. All the States militia are being mobilized back in America. I predict a declaration of war on or by the tenth of next month. Am feeling decidedly "trieste" over beloved Gertrude but I guess I may just as well put her out of my heart and mind as much as possible. from the War Diary of E.C.C. Genet, N-124 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 08:28:37 -0700 From: "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" To: wwi Subject: Saturday, 7 April 1917, Ham Message-ID: <334912A5.2B26@host.dmsc.net> 978. Snowy and rainy most of the day. Fair by evening with promises of good weather to-morrow. Slept late this morning as it was impossible to fly. Took a walk up into Ham before lunch with Lovell and Haviland and purchased some things we need. Bought some French paper money issued by the villages and communes around this region during the German Occupation. They'll be good souveniers of the war. The Captain with the rest of the Escadrille came over late this afternoon so we are all installed together now. We were called over to Chateau Bonneuil to meet a Commandant who is the head of aviation around here. He was very nice to us and informed us that we are to be under U.S. control from now on, we're to have American Aviation corp uniforms and insignias etc. but nothing was mentioned about grades or commissions or pay etc. and we aren't feeling very enthusiastic over the present outlook. Nothing absolutely officially has come yet from the U.S. Government to us. Perhaps something better will acome from that source a little later. We all hope so. Today's papers have the final news about the decaration of war having been passed by athe House of Representatives yesterday by a vote of 373 against 50 an signed by President Wilson. The war is on at last for our country. A report in the paper states that no less than 3000 volunteers have already signed up to be in American Escadrilles for service in France. They'll get more credit from our government than we will ourselves. Lt Navarre has just brought a Morane Monocock monoplane out to fly on the front. It has a Rhone rotary motor of 138 h.p. and a speed of 165 kilometers an hour at 2000 metres. Its just the machine I have always wished for and I'm going to ask Captain Thenault for one for myself. from the War Diary of E.C.C. Genet, N-124 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 11:28:00 +0100 (BST) From: Sandy Adam To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Wednesday, 4 April 1917, Raoenel Message-ID: On Sun, 6 Apr 1997, CLINTON P. LOVELL wrote: > And the irony is that there was very little logical reason for this war. I've just been rereading Winged Victory by VM Yates, which I recommend to any who do not already know it for a superb contemporary view by one of the pilots on the reasons for the war. Along the lines of Capitalism running rampant in profits from the arms industry and America having to enter the war in order not to have its economy left behind by the strength of European industry and currency. All this paid for in the blood of youth. Yates was of course an Irish pilot in the RFC and survived the latter years of the war to die in squalor in the thirties with his masterpiece generally unrecognised. Winged Victory is as important a WW1 literary work as Journey's End and All Quiet on the Western Front. Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 08:11:45 -0500 From: "Joseph Gentile" To: Subject: Re: Hanriot HD.1Colors Message-ID: <199704071332.IAA05961@Walden.MO.NET> ---------- > From: Alberto Rada > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Hanriot HD.1Colors > Date: Saturday, April 05, 1997 3:12 PM > > Thanks, I have seen both and are really good, my problem is to translate > Red and Green for the Italian wings to a modeling color and what is meant > by dopped aluminum. > > SALUDOS > > ALBERTO Alberto, take a look at Juan's color guide in the back of his Sopwith catalog. He has interpretations for many colors of most major air forces for the great war. Let me know if you need it and I'll fax it to you. HTH, JJG ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 10:59:58 -0400 (AST) From: Alberto Rada To: wwi Subject: Re: Hanriot HD.1Colors Message-ID: <199704071459.KAA22384@fw.true.net> Have it, Found it, and it helps with the Italian Colors Thanks a lot SALUDOS ALBERTO At 09:30 AM 07-04-97 -0400, you wrote: > > >---------- >> From: Alberto Rada >> To: Multiple recipients of list >> Subject: Re: Hanriot HD.1Colors >> Date: Saturday, April 05, 1997 3:12 PM >> >> Thanks, I have seen both and are really good, my problem is to translate >> Red and Green for the Italian wings to a modeling color and what is meant >> by dopped aluminum. >> >> SALUDOS >> >> ALBERTO > >Alberto, take a look at Juan's color guide in the back of his Sopwith >catalog. He has interpretations for many colors of most major air forces >for the great war. Let me know if you need it and I'll fax it to you. > >HTH, > >JJG > > ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 489 *********************