WWI Digest 482 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: New/Old DML news. by DavidL1217@aol.com 2) Friday, 30 March 1917, Raoenel by "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" 3) Re: Friday, 30 March 1917, Raoenel by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 4) Re: The Pup is flying by Pedro Soares 5) Re: The Pup is flying by Pedro Soares 6) Saturday, 31 March 1917, Raoenel by "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" 7) Re: Hannover Cl.III Datfile by "Joseph Gentile" 8) Rep : Re: The Pup is flying by Fportier@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 30 Mar 1997 17:46:00 -0500 (EST) From: DavidL1217@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: New/Old DML news. Message-ID: <970330174600_-1905905613@emout02.mail.aol.com> Its a shame. DML will model any scribbling of a German engineer in WWII but not do one of the most significant WWI fighters. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Mar 1997 19:45:04 -0800 From: "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" To: wwi Subject: Friday, 30 March 1917, Raoenel Message-ID: <333F3340.133E@host.dmsc.net> 970th day of the war. Showers throughout day, low clouds and high winds left us in camp all day. Wanted to get out very much too. Tried to write some letters during the morning but gave it up in disgust. Felt sleepy and unenthusiastic all day. Read a good story by E. Phillips Oppenhiem all afternoon by the name of "The Missing Delora." Three new fellows arrived from Plessis Belleville this afternoon to swell our already full personnel. They are Dugan, of Legion Fame, Kenneth Mar and Thomas (more intimately known as "Jerry") Hewitt. The first two are good fellows but Jerry is quite questionable. He will have to be tested out before I can feel confident in his "cran et sang froid." It seems that some pilot at the Paris protection camp at Le Bourget has been cited for having gone forth on the morning of the 17th in quest of the reported Zeppelins altho he never saw one. It seems to me I could claim a citation myself for just that same reason. I certainly did my best to chase the blamed Zepps. I don't think our Captain takes quite as much notice as he might of the work we've been doing here for the service. from the War Diary of E.C.C. Genet ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~` *Kenneth Marr of San Francisco, served with the American Ambulance before enlisting with the French Aviation Service on 20 July 1916. He was brevetted on 7 Jan 1917, and served at the front with the Lafayette Escadrille from 29 March 1917 until 18 Feb 1918. He was commissioned a captain in the US Air Service and served with the 103rd Pursuit Squadron and 94th Pursuit Squadron. He returned to the US in June 1918 and was promoted to a major in Sept 1918. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Mar 1997 23:08:17 -0800 From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: Friday, 30 March 1917, Raoenel Message-ID: <199703310708.AA03222@ednet1.orednet.org> >Three new fellows >arrived from Plessis Belleville this afternoon to swell our already full >personnel. They are Dugan, of Legion Fame, Kenneth Mar and Thomas (more >intimately known as "Jerry") Hewitt. The first two are good fellows but >Jerry is quite questionable. He will have to be tested out before I can >feel confident in his "cran et sang froid." >from the War Diary of E.C.C. Genet >*Kenneth Marr of San Francisco, served with the American Ambulance before >enlisting with the French Aviation Service on 20 July 1916. He was >brevetted on 7 Jan 1917, and served at the front with the Lafayette >Escadrille from 29 March 1917 until 18 Feb 1918. He was commissioned a >captain in the US Air Service and served with the 103rd Pursuit Squadron >and 94th Pursuit Squadron. He returned to the US in June 1918 and was >promoted to a major in Sept 1918. And Thomas "Jerry" Hewitt was, apparently, deathly afraid of flying. After crashing two SPADS, he was discharged for "ineptitude" and sent home. (Actually, having had some white-knuckle moments in a Cessna in my youth and finally deciding that an aviator's life was not for me, I have a certain amount of sympathy for Hewitt!) But, it looks like our Ed Genet called this 'un correctly. :-) Cheers, -- - Bill Shatzer bshatzer@orednet.org - "Oh, what sad times are these when passing ruffians can say 'ni' at will to old ladies." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 11:11:23 +0100 From: Pedro Soares To: wwi Subject: Re: The Pup is flying Message-ID: <333F8DCB.51F@anaep.pt> Shelley Goodwin wrote: > > Did this green/mauve Roland have a yellow 4 on the fin/fuselage? > > Riordan > Hi, In the modeling encyclopedia I mentioned in one of my last postings there are 2 examples of built up Rolands: one in a very eye-catching fish scale finish and another one in the green/mauve finish and this one does have a yellow 4 on the fin/fuselage. Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 11:31:27 +0100 From: Pedro Soares To: wwi Subject: Re: The Pup is flying Message-ID: <333F927F.266D@anaep.pt> mbittner@juno.com wrote: > > > Well, there are a few corrections, but like I said earlier: it > builds up and it looks like a C.II, with no modifications. > > However, if you're curious, the biggest problems are the wing > cutouts, wing tips, and horizontal tail plane. > Matt, I'm not really sure that I will be able to do the fish scale finish on my Roland, but I wasn't sure of getting the struts right on the Pup either, so I guess I'll at least give it a try. What would life be like without a decent challenge every once in a while? So I'll start work on it soon (I'll be building it in parallel with one of Mr. Reginald Mitchell's sp... mk1 things that an English friend of mine, from IPMS Birmingham, asked me to do in Portuguese Air Force livery in order to participate in a trans-atlantic Sp--- Challenge between IPMS Birmingham and IPMS Syracuse - BTW anone of you from IPMS Syracuse out there?) and I would really benefit from the sort of help you provided for the Pup (that is a copy of the 1/72 plans and, if possible a photo of he cockpit and gunner/observer station. If you're willing to once again bear with my truly opportunistic asking, please e-mail me you snail mail address so that I can send you some international reply cuppons to pay for the mail costs. > > Ah,Ah, so you don't believe I did finish it, Uh?????? :-) > > No, I believe it. I just want to see how great of a job you > really did. I do not doubt it for a minute; I just want to see > your Pup. I know you do believe it and I promise I'll have a couple of photos of the Pup sent to Al, if he's willing to put them on the WW1 pages at least temporarily, just as soon as I have time to do it. Anyway be warned that you shouldn't go using words such as "great" when referring to my humble creation.... Glad as ever to hear from you pedro ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 11:13:03 -0800 From: "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" To: wwi Subject: Saturday, 31 March 1917, Raoenel Message-ID: <33400CBF.256D@host.dmsc.net> 971. Fair enough to permit flying in the morning but showers during the afrternoon. Went out in early a.m. with Lufberry, Hoskier, Lovell and Willis on a Patrol over the lines around St Quentin and La Fere. Stopped at Chateau Bonnieul to receive orders and I couldn't get off with the rest so made a recconnoitering flight east and South of La Fere and over the city itself. Made some important observations there and came back to Bonneuil at 9:30 to make my report. Found the rest there and went back to camp at 11:15. Lovell had to land south of Roye because of motor trouble so four of us went across the old French and German lines around Roye which were terribly bombarded and demolished and we picked up many souvenirs back of the Boche lines, shells etc. Saw some exceptionally well made Boch battery emplacements. The Germans certainly know how to make themselves secure and comfortable. Motor couldn't be fixed by 5 p.m. so we left it and came back. Brought back a lot of French empty 75 shells as souvenirs. Letters from dear little Mother and Genet Bloodgood. I am to be one of the three of the Escadrille who are to attend the American Church of the Holy Trinity on Monday morning at 11 in Paris. Captain has given me leave to go in to-morrow morning. Have volunteered to be one of those carrying incendiary bullets to attack German drachens. Its risky business carrying those kind of bullets in case of capture but I'd like to bring down a drachen. from the War Diary of E.C.C. Genet ************************************************ Saturday, March 31, 1917 Went out at 6:30 this morning with Willis, Lovell, Hoskier and Lufberry. Landed at G.D.E. at Chateau Bonneuil for orders. Couldn't get off with the rest at 8:10 when they started out over the lines on account of my gasoline reservoir losing its cover so went out ten minutes later on patrol by myself over the German lines around La Fere and to the south toward soissons. Made some important observations but had much difficulty in observing on account of heavy clouds at 600 meters. Landed at Chateau Bonneuil at 9:30 to make my report. The others were there and we came back to St Just at 11:20. Time: 2 hours 10 minutes Height max: 2000 meters from Flight Log of E.C.C. Genet, N-124 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 12:30:20 -0600 From: "Joseph Gentile" To: Subject: Re: Hannover Cl.III Datfile Message-ID: <199703311831.MAA02177@Walden.MO.NET> Riordan, I am building the KAE Cl.IIIa vac and am using the markings of 3892/18 with the arrow along the fuselage. I am however, "cheating" (shhhh...) on the color scheme. The fuselage, and wings have been sprayed with humbrol medium blue (15?) over gray primer. This is slightly darker than what is generally referred to as Prussian Blue. I am using Pegasus 5 color lozenge all over and am finding the blue to be an almost identical match. The lozenge decals are also being used to cover the rudder and rear of the fuselage. I am planning to use hand cut decals to cover the upper wings center section. The polygons are being cut from three or four sheets of Superscale solid colors. So far everything looks nice. It might not be accurate but I find it asthetically pleasing. If you look at the color plate on the back of the datafile Mr. Rimmel depicts one Cl.II as having a solid blue fuselage, ergo my rationale. HTH, JJG -------- > From: Shelley Goodwin > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Hannover Cl.III Datfile > Date: Friday, March 28, 1997 10:32 PM > > > Anyone have this one? Are there any color plates of Cl.IIs or the > Cl.IIIa (16201/18 ?)Rickenbacker & Reed brought down? I'm looking for > non-lozenge camoflage schemes. > > Riordan > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 14:11:31 -0500 (EST) From: Fportier@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Rep : Re: The Pup is flying Message-ID: <970331141125_1020725841@emout01.mail.aol.com> If you are trying to paint the fish-scale effect you may be better off doing it on a piece of clear decal sheet with a Rotring pen and India ink, a fine brush and perhaps an ultra thin coat of paint using an airbrush to "tone in" the scales. Americals/Gryphon often offer a lot of spare clear space on their sheets... I used that technique twice, on a BrisFit and A Post-WW1 Jenny and it worked. If you try to paint fish scales on a circular section fuselage you'll go nuts! Best regards, Francois ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 482 *********************