WWI Digest 481 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Fokker EIII 226\15 by gspring@ix.netcom.com 2) Re[3]: Hannover Cl.III Datfile by "Shelley Goodwin" 3) Greetings by Bill Bacon 4) Rep : Greetings by Fportier@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 29 Mar 1997 19:51:32 -0600 (CST) From: gspring@ix.netcom.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Fokker EIII 226\15 Message-ID: <199732919491741@ix.netcom.com> On 03/29/97 13:13:21 Stuart wrote: >I started a long nasty thread a while back when I asked the group >if there had ever been a 'silver' Fokker EIII. I was asking for a >friend who was building an RC version. This friend gave me the >specific aircraft: Fokker EIII 226\15. He believes this particular >Fokker is located in a museum somewhere in the world. He wanted >to know the paint scheme of the 'craft and in what state of repair or >disrepair it is in today, assuming it is still around. According to the Datafile the only survivor is 210/16 which hangs in the Science Museum in London. This aircraft has had most of the fabric removed to show the airframe structure. It is in quite good condition and can readily be photographed. Rimell shows a side view on the rear cover with the aircraft in post-capture British markings. The finish is shown as unbleached linen and 'turned' metal panels. There is a partial list of known serial blocks for E models on the inside rear cover of the Datafile. Although there are no 200-series blocks for the year 1915 the author stresses that all such blocks are not actually known. Cheers! Greg ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Mar 97 18:23:25 PST From: "Shelley Goodwin" To: wwi Subject: Re[3]: Hannover Cl.III Datfile Message-ID: <9702298596.AA859692736@mx.Ricochet.net> Charles, Thanks for the info; the incorrect serial I found for the Rickenbacker/Reed aircraft was from a color plate in the old Munson book (c.1968) which shows a three color (red-brown/green/grey?) oversprayed fuselage and lozenge wings. Could I possibly persuade you to send me color copies of the cover plates from the Datafile, printing and postage naturally on me? If not, I'll just fake it; I'm in the planning stages of an Airfix project.... Are you Rob's collaborator of Chandelle fame? If so, what do you think about the possibility of non-standard field applied schemes (red-brown or?) on Pasha or Ottoman Albatrosen? Riordan ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re[2]: Hannover Cl.III Datfile Author: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu at Internet Date: 3/29/97 9:43 AM In looking over the Datafile again, certainly the prototype and perhaps a few early production Cl-IIs had painted camouflage finishes. These look sprayed, whether these were two or three color schemes is perhaps debatable. You could also look to Roland-built examples of these a/c. There are a couple of photos in the Datafile. The Roland machines appear to be overall light blue (?) painted finish with darker (grey ?) metal cowling panels. As for the Hannover Cl.IIIa brought down by Eddie Rickenbacker and REed Chambers, the serial was 3892/18. It appears to have the standard factory lozenge finish, a combination of fabric covering and painted lozenges, including the larger ones that covered the bulk of the fuselage. There is a photo in the Datafile and I also found a b&w sketch of the machine in the Vol.1 #1 issue of a Polish magazine "Militaria" published about 7 or 8 years ago. Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu > >In the Harleyford book theres's a photo of the Cl.II prototype with >3-color camo >on all uppersurfaces. I'm thinking maybe the Cl.IIs may not have all had >lozenge >fabric wings. > >Thanks, > >Riordan > >______________________________ Reply Separator >_________________________________ >Subject: Re: Hannover Cl.III Datfile >Author: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu at Internet >Date: 3/28/97 8:55 PM > > >> >> Anyone have this one? Are there any color plates of Cl.IIs or the >> Cl.IIIa (16201/18 ?)Rickenbacker & Reed brought down? I'm looking for >> non-lozenge camoflage schemes. >> >> Riordan > > > Lozenges were part of the factory scheme, 5-color fabric for the wings >and tail, hand painted lozenges on the top wing, ply covered center >section. Also painted lozenges on horizontal and vertical tail surfaces. >Some fuselages had large lozenges painted on, others were just spray >finished. > > I'll check the Datafile for the machines you request here. > >Charles > >hartc@spot.colorado.edu > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Mar 1997 00:40:31 -0600 From: Bill Bacon To: wwi Subject: Greetings Message-ID: <333E0ADF.379A@netjava.net> Just to wish one and all the happiest of Easters. Man, that covers a big area. Japan to Norway to Austrailia to Venezuela. We are truely international. Cheers, Bill Bill Bacon wbacon@netjava.net ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Mar 1997 14:17:57 -0500 (EST) From: Fportier@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Rep : Greetings Message-ID: <970330141755_-1470644665@emout04.mail.aol.com> ...And France too! Happy Easter and thanks for a kind thought. Francois ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 481 *********************