WWI Digest 478 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: The Pup is flying by Pedro Soares 2) Mobile progress by Matt Bacon 3) Pin Request by Brian Nicklas 4) Re: The Pup is flying by Pedro Soares 5) Francois & the Gotha patterns by jsthorn@clt.mindspring.com (Jesse Thorn) 6) Re: Sunday, 25 March 1917, Raoenel by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 7) Cockpit padding by "Shelley Goodwin" 8) Mail call by "Shelley Goodwin" 9) Re: Sunday, 25 March 1917, Raoenel by "Erik" 10) Re: The Pup is flying by mbittner@juno.com 11) Re: Brisfit references by Hirohisa Ozaki 12) Re: The Pup is flying by Hirohisa Ozaki 13) Re: Cockpit padding by jsthorn@clt.mindspring.com (Jesse Thorn) 14) Re: Sunday, 25 March 1917, Raoenel by gregrydquist@juno.com (Gregory N Rydquist) 15) Re: Sunday, 25 March 1917, Raoenel by bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 16) Re: Cockpit padding by "Paul Schwartzkopf" 17) Monday, 26 March 1917, Raoenel by "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" 18) Re: The Pup is flying by Pedro Soares 19) Re[2]: Cockpit padding by "Shelley Goodwin" 20) Re: Francois & the Gotha patterns by hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) 21) by hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) 22) Re: New hand - old fingers by bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 23) Re: More thoughts about the pin by bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 24) re: The Pup is flying by bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 25) Fantasy of Flight Museum by bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 26) Halberstadt Cl.IV by "Shelley Goodwin" 27) Re: Mobile progress by mnelson@compusmart.ab.ca (Mark K. Nelson) 28) Re: Sunday, 25 March 1917, Raoenel by Sandy Adam ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 15:35:05 +0000 From: Pedro Soares To: wwi Subject: Re: The Pup is flying Message-ID: <3337F0A9.5396@anaep.pt> Jack Berlien wrote: > > Pedro, thanks for the write-up. I enjoyed following your progress; it was > both interesting and informative. Thanks a lot. Glad to hear that I > recently bought some Airfix kits, so I will put your experience to use, but I > have a couple questions. > 1) Why were you dissatisfied with the scoring/bending of the control surfaces? After having a look at Steve Hustad's models in the WW1 modeling pages I believe that a better effect can be achieved by completely separating the control surfaces and glueing them afterwards only at the hinge points. This, of course, means having to deal with the hinges problem, and this is one point where I would also like to get advice for other fellow modelers on this list. > 2) Regarding the strut canals or trenches on the top wing, would it be easier > to go ahead and glue to strut in as intended, filling up the canal, then just > fill in the cracks around the canal with putty? I'm not fond of putty. In fact I hate putty because I can't seem to have it sanded in a way that it will completely bend with the surrounding surfaces. In the Pup I used for the first time what must be the most convenient and obvious solution to this problem, which is filling the holes and gaps with plastic strip or streched sprue. It is perfect. Sands much better than any putty that I know of and I was able to completely hide the trenches on the wings, something that I would not be able to do had I choose to go the putty way. Furthermore, if you choose to use the kit parts adding putty to the canal once the strut parts are in place, I guess it will be rather dificult to sand the putty without breaking the struts. 3) Finally, I would also be interested in what you find out about the Roland - > the paint scheme on the box top doesn't look very interesting but I have no > sources of other options... I agree with you on this matter. The finish looks rather dull. I believe however that I have a magazine somewhere at home with a more stricking looking scheme for a Roland, (green and mauve uppersurfaces if I recall correctly) and I'm planning to do it that way. (Any contribution on this matter would also, of course, be greatly appreciated). As to the accuracy of the kit, the WW1 pages lists it as one of Airfix best so ... > Thanks and best regards, > My pleasure Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 16:21:51 +0000 From: Matt Bacon To: wwi Subject: Mobile progress Message-ID: <3337FB9F.5074@london.virgin.net> Just in case anyone was wondering, I'm on the home straight with the WW1(ish) mobile for small son Jack. Just the cabane struts and engine to add to the final Albatros, and it's time to assemble the whole thing... We have: 1 Spad XIII, in Easter Egg scheme 1 Nie. 28 in Silver/Green wings with R/W/B stripes 1 Bristol Bulldog in silver with Checkerboard upeer/lower wing surfaces 1 Fokker Triplane in Red/white tail 2 Albatri: Wooden fuselage/green wings/blue tail with white stars Blue fuselage/red nose with quartered red/blue wings They'll be mounted in pairs: | 0---------------------0 | | 0-------------0 0------------0 A question: Clearly aircraft in a dogfight chasing each other round and round are banking. But how much? Would they be in 90o vertical banks or something more like 45o? Anybody know? The final choice will obviously be made for artistic reasons (just as the colour schemes are more "inspired by" than "copied from"...) but it would be nice to know what would be "right." BTW: I'll buy a Blue Max pin, if we get one... Best, M. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Matt Bacon | Alcoholics Eponymous Deputy Editor | Pres.: Mr. Johnnie Walker VP: Mr. Jack Daniels Virgin Net | Treas.: Mr. Glen Fiddich Hon. Sec.: Mr. James Beam ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Mar 97 11:41:31 EST From: Brian Nicklas To: Subject: Pin Request Message-ID: <199703251644.LAA22039@pease1.sr.unh.edu> Since I plan on being at the IPMS-USA Nationals this year, put me down for one pin. Brian Nicklas ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 16:49:09 +0000 From: Pedro Soares To: wwi Subject: Re: The Pup is flying Message-ID: <33380205.351@anaep.pt> barrett wrote: > > Congratulations! I was wondering what happened to this little fellow. > Ah, Ah! You didn't think that I would ever finish it, huh? > Your description of the assembly process was fantastic. I'm sure your model > puts my little fleet of Pups to shame. Too kind of you. writting is much easier than modelling, you know :-) Too bad we cannot have a duel to see > if a model that really looks good performs better in mock aerial combat! I've tried spinning the prop but some glue got in the way and as such i don't believe that it will ever take its wheels off the ground. Anyway that machine gun looks mean enough, so don't ever try to fly one of your machines too low above my Pup. Thanks again for your kind words pedro ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 12:49:45 -0500 From: jsthorn@clt.mindspring.com (Jesse Thorn) To: wwi Subject: Francois & the Gotha patterns Message-ID: Charles, Thank you for brokering this transaction. Could you tell me your mail address so I can send you a money order? I am interested in creating a limited run kit from the patterns. Oddly enough, Martin Digmayer & I have been independently researching this unusual aircraft for a while. I want to add parts to the kit to make either the floatplane or land-based bomber versions. I am living in Raleigh, North Carolina now. My address is Jesse Thorn 1020 Nicholwood Drive Apt. 305 Raleigh, North Carolina 27605 My phone number is 919-829-5567 Hope all is well with you - do you have any new trips planned to the Antarctic? --Jesse ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 11:21:23 -0800 From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: Sunday, 25 March 1917, Raoenel Message-ID: <199703251921.AA29848@ednet1.orednet.org> Bradley quoted E. C. C. Genet as writing: -snips- >We saw several Boche machines at intervals >and I chased one which had Cocardes--the same design as the French and >English identification mark on the wings--but with a black ring on the >outside. Any speculation on what Genet actually saw or thought he saw here? >Couldn't catch up with it. The Boches are even carrying cocardes >now with the outside circle red like the French but a black center in >place of a blue one so there is going to be heaps of trouble in chasing >after the right machines and looking out for those which look friendly >but aren't. Or was this "intellegence" about an alleged "new" German national marking just making him think he was seeing something that wasn't really there? One more example, I think, of why contemporary reports should _always_ be taken with a large dose of salt - particularly aerial observations of the colors, markings, and types of other aircraft observed. (Comtemporary observations on the sex of downed enemy aircrew seems likewise occassionally "iffy".) :-) Cheers, -- - Bill Shatzer bshatzer@orednet.org - "Oh, what sad times are these when passing ruffians can say 'ni' at will to old ladies." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Mar 97 15:22:47 PST From: "Shelley Goodwin" To: wwi Subject: Cockpit padding Message-ID: <9702258593.AA859332396@mx.Ricochet.net> Thought some of you might be interested in an alternative to putty/glue reconstructive surgery for your cheap kits. Get a piece of small multi-strand copper wire (2-3mm)?, carefully slice insulation lengthwise, remove wire, widen incision with a nail and press/glue insulation on the sharp edge (created by sanding down the grotesque kilbasa flush with the fuselage) of the cockpit opening of your Smer Albatros D type. You'll have to work with the insulation a little bit, but the results are quite neat. Have fun Riordan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Mar 97 15:08:53 PST From: "Shelley Goodwin" To: wwi Subject: Mail call Message-ID: <9702258593.AA859332376@mx.Ricochet.net> Hiro, Rob J. and Rob G. Got your materials in the mail today. Look for them after the appropriate time interval. Riordan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 16:14:07 +0000 From: "Erik" To: wwi Subject: Re: Sunday, 25 March 1917, Raoenel Message-ID: <199703260029.QAA01176@emerald.oz.net> On 25 Mar 97,Bill Shatzer wondered: > We saw several Boche machines at intervals > and I chased one which had Cocardes--the same design as the French and > English identification mark on the wings--but with a black ring on the > outside. Couldn't catch up with it. The Boches are even carrying cocardes > now with the outside circle red like the French but a black center in > place of a blue one so there is going to be heaps of trouble in chasing > after the right machines and looking out for those which look friendly > but aren't. What was he chasing? Sounds to me rather like a Belgian marking, no? Ha-ha! Swine Belgians must be in league with the Boches!!... Cheers, Erik ........................................................................ "Mr.Anchovy, perhaps you could move *towards* 'Lion Taming' via Banking, or even Insurance?..." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 16:56:14 -0600 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: The Pup is flying Message-ID: <19970325.183928.14006.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Tue, 25 Mar 1997 10:47:25 -0500 Pedro Soares writes: > After having a look at Steve Hustad's models in the WW1 modeling > pages I believe that a better effect can be achieved by > completely separating the control surfaces and glueing them > afterwards only at the hinge points. This, of course, means > having to deal with the hinges problem, and this is one point > where I would also like to get advice for other fellow modelers > on this list. Well, most of the "hinges" in the wing were actually a couple (or a few) "attachment points" sticking out of the wing, where the aileron would attach to. What I did on the Nie.28 was to mark the locations of where these "attachment" things were, cut a slit in the wing, and add a "hinge". All this is is a piece of brass cut to approximate shape, and glued into the slot in the wing. Using this as a guide, I then cut a corresponding slot in the aileron. A lot of work, and the parts ("hinges") are extremely small, but the outcome looks marvelous. > I agree with you on this matter. The finish looks rather dull. I > believe however that I have a magazine somewhere at home with a > more stricking looking scheme for a Roland, (green and mauve > uppersurfaces if I recall correctly) and I'm planning to do it > that way. (Any contribution on this matter would also, of > course, be greatly appreciated). As to the accuracy of the kit, > the WW1 pages lists it as one of Airfix best so ... Most C.II's were finished in overall light blue-gray. However, there were a few camouflaged examples (in your correct assesment, if memory serves). The most striking, though, are the couple that have *scales* painted on them. Now that's far from boring, and if done right could make a wonderful scheme. As far as accuracy, a previous issue of Avions (I think that's the title) went through and "corrected" it. If you're a stickler for accuracy, there are a few items needed to be done. If you just want a model that looks like a C.II, there is nothing wrong with building it out of the box. Good luck, with whatever you choose to do. If any of you want to know what references are around for the C.II, just ask. Pedro, congratulations on finishing the model. We will see some pictures of it? Matt mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 09:56:53 +0900 From: Hirohisa Ozaki To: wwi Subject: Re: Brisfit references Message-ID: <9703260057.AA00532@wight.miln.mei.co.jp> I was successful in lowerd price of two title:-) I will recieve them about a month after. Matt wrote: > > BTW, I have found two Brisfit references which Charles taught > > before. > > 1) Bristol F2b Fighter, by Chaz Boyer, Ian Allan. > > 2) Vintage Warbirds No.4 Bristol Fighter, Arms and Armour. > > Wow, I never heard of 1). Can you give a brief description? To > others on the list who have it: the same question as Hiro poses. > If you have the Datafile and In Action, do you need 1)? I quote this brief from MODEL ART No.369 "Colors and Markings of WW1 aircraft". Title : Bristol F2B Fighter King of Two Seaters. Author : Chaz Bowyer. Publisher : IAN ALLAN, 1985. brief description : story of development, combat and commercial use Brisfit. Serial number list of squadron service aircraft. 128pp., 162 photos. > Hiro, I have 2) and it's a great photo journal. Be aware that > there is nothing but photo's. I think it's great, and I would > recommend it. However, not knowing anything about 1), I can't > compare the two. Just know that 2) is definitely out of print. > > > Matt > mbittner@juno.com I thank you for your suggestion. I have determined to get two titles. Cheers! Hiro. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 11:03:53 +0900 From: Hirohisa Ozaki To: wwi Subject: Re: The Pup is flying Message-ID: <9703260204.AA00771@wight.miln.mei.co.jp> Hello Pedro, Congratulations! I read "Correcting Airfix's 1/72nd Pup" frequentry from about two years ago. But I have not started to build Airfix Pup yet. I thank you for your construction review. Cheers! Hiro. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 22:44:43 -0500 From: jsthorn@clt.mindspring.com (Jesse Thorn) To: wwi Subject: Re: Cockpit padding Message-ID: > Thought some of you might be interested in an alternative to > putty/glue reconstructive surgery for your cheap kits. > Get a piece of small multi-strand copper wire (2-3mm)?, carefully > slice insulation lengthwise, remove wire, widen incision with a nail > and press/glue insulation on the sharp edge (created by sanding down > the grotesque kilbasa flush with the fuselage) of the cockpit opening > of your Smer Albatros D type. You'll have to work with the insulation > a little bit, but the results are quite neat. > Alternately you might want to try a thin loop of rolled Milliput putty ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 22:48:00 PST From: gregrydquist@juno.com (Gregory N Rydquist) To: wwi Cc: wwi Subject: Re: Sunday, 25 March 1917, Raoenel Message-ID: <19970325.225014.3143.0.GregRydquist@juno.com> On Tue, 25 Mar 1997 14:29:35 -0500 bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) writes: >Bradley quoted E. C. C. Genet as writing: >-snips- >>We saw several Boche machines at intervals and I chased one which had Cocardes--the same design as the French and English identification mark on the wings--but with a black ring on the outside. > >Any speculation on what Genet actually saw or thought he saw here? > Can't quote the source, but I remember reading one time an explanation/hypothesis for why the Bosche switched from Maltese to straight sided crosses. It was reportedly due to difficulties in distinguishing betweeen crosses and cockades at a distance due to an optical illusion, where the maltese crosses apparently blurred into something resembling a cockade. With black and white moire' patterns ( op art), one of the effects can be a vague sense of color. In fact, I now recall it was because the ground troops had trouble distinguishing the markings. Looking into the glare of the sky and with perhaps less than 20/20 vision, who knows what the trench dwellers saw? Greg R seeing something that wasn't >really there? > re: female impersonators (sort of) Then there's MountainCharlie, the tobacco chawin', one-eyed stage coach driver over the Santa Cruz Mountains of the late 1800's who turned out (to the surprise long time friends) to be a woman. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 08:07:57 -0500 From: bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Sunday, 25 March 1917, Raoenel Message-ID: <199703261307.IAA24668@pease1.sr.unh.edu> At 02:30 PM 3/25/97 -0500, Bill Shatzer wrote: > >Any speculation on what Genet actually saw or thought he saw here? > > >One more example, I think, of why contemporary reports should _always_ >be taken with a large dose of salt - particularly aerial observations >of the colors, markings, and types of other aircraft observed. There was an exchange a year or so ago in C&C(GB) about rounded maltese crosses. They were found on a water-color painting done by a British pilot. Much wailing and gnashing of teeth about whether he was just being artistic or if he was painting what he thought he saw. As usual, no conclusions other than opinions! Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 07:37:29 +0000 From: "Paul Schwartzkopf" To: wwi Subject: Re: Cockpit padding Message-ID: <199703261340.HAA09671@tscrypt1.transcrypt.com> On March 25, 1997: > Thought some of you might be interested in an alternative to > putty/glue reconstructive surgery for your cheap kits. > Get a piece of small multi-strand copper wire (2-3mm)?, carefully > slice insulation lengthwise, remove wire, widen incision with a nail > and press/glue insulation on the sharp edge (created by sanding down > the grotesque kilbasa flush with the fuselage) of the cockpit opening > of your Smer Albatros D type. You'll have to work with the insulation > a little bit, but the results are quite neat. > > Have fun > > Riordan > I have been using this technique for several years now. It takes patience so you don't cut your fingers up, but the results are VERY realistic (unless you use yellow or light green insulated wire!). Paul Schwartzkopf ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 10:46:48 -0800 From: "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" To: wwi Subject: Monday, 26 March 1917, Raoenel Message-ID: <33396F18.6208@host.dmsc.net> 966. Rained nearly all day so no flying could be done. Made use of the off time to make up some needed sleep this morning. Wrote notes to Cousin Hugh Eastburn, Bullard and Mr Hedin before luncheon. Read all afternoon. Went thru a mighty humorous book of short stories called collectively "Moonbeams from the Larger Lunacy" by Stephen Leacock. Its an immense and very out of the ordinary line of story-writing. Report came in to-day that the English troops have entered St Quentin which, if true, shows that the supposed impregnable Hindenburg line has been broken and gives the impression that after all it is merely a mythical line and the Germans are going to retreat still further. It looks more and more each day now as if the States will be actually at war with Germany very soon. All Americans have been ordered out of Belgium by President Wilson and he has been holding an important conference with his cabinet and high financial officials of the country. A conflict between American armed vessels and German submarines is expected very soon and that will bring war surely if Germany holds good to her declaration that the first shot fired by Americans means immediate war. Still no mail from the States. I haven't had a letter from home since March 12th. from the War Diary of E.C.C. Genet ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 16:00:53 +0000 From: Pedro Soares To: wwi Subject: Re: The Pup is flying Message-ID: <33394835.28CF@anaep.pt> mbittner@juno.com wrote: > > > Well, most of the "hinges" in the wing were actually a couple (or > a few) "attachment points" sticking out of the wing, where the > aileron would attach to. What I did on the Nie.28 was to mark the > locations of where these "attachment" things were, cut a slit in > the wing, and add a "hinge". All this is is a piece of brass cut > to approximate shape, and glued into the slot in the wing. Using > this as a guide, I then cut a corresponding slot in the aileron. > A lot of work, and the parts ("hinges") are extremely small, but > the outcome looks marvelous. Thanks Matt. Great info as usual. Gonna try it on the Roland for sure. > > > > Most C.II's were finished in overall light blue-gray. However, > there were a few camouflaged examples (in your correct assesment, > if memory serves). The most striking, though, are the couple > that have *scales* painted on them. Now that's far from boring, > and if done right could make a wonderful scheme. I do recall seing a picture in a modeling encyclopedia of a Roland with such a fish scale camo. That would really make for a wonderful finish. What I do not know is if my painting skils will go that far (I sincerely doubt it) but since you mentioned I'll try to dig out that article and at least give it a thought. > > As far as accuracy, a previous issue of Avions (I think that's > the title) went through and "corrected" it. If you're a stickler > for accuracy, there are a few items needed to be done. If you > just want a model that looks like a C.II, there is nothing wrong > with building it out of the box. If it can be done straight from the box, the better. Anyway if you find that any of the modifications you mention are a must, please let me know about it. I'm not really a stickler for accuracy and if there's nothing really way out of line with the kit I'll be perfectly happy with an out of the box kit. BTW I ahve 1 doubt about the Roland which I'd like to clarify: Were there real curtains on the fuselage or were they painted on the windows? > > > Pedro, congratulations on finishing the model. We will see some > pictures of it? > Ah,Ah, so you don't believe I did finish it, Uh?????? :-) I guess I can try to take a couple of shots and send them over to Al to put on the WW1 pages so that everybody can take a look. Wish I had a scanner, would make things much easier. Thanks again for all your support pedro ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 97 08:45:14 PST From: "Shelley Goodwin" To: wwi Subject: Re[2]: Cockpit padding Message-ID: <9702268593.AA859399233@mx.Ricochet.net> Paul, Since I've just tried this for the first time, will paint stick to this stuff? Riordan ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Cockpit padding Author: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu at Internet Date: 3/26/97 5:43 AM On March 25, 1997: > Thought some of you might be interested in an alternative to > putty/glue reconstructive surgery for your cheap kits. > Get a piece of small multi-strand copper wire (2-3mm)?, carefully > slice insulation lengthwise, remove wire, widen incision with a nail > and press/glue insulation on the sharp edge (created by sanding down > the grotesque kilbasa flush with the fuselage) of the cockpit opening > of your Smer Albatros D type. You'll have to work with the insulation > a little bit, but the results are quite neat. > > Have fun > > Riordan > I have been using this technique for several years now. It takes patience so you don't cut your fingers up, but the results are VERY realistic (unless you use yellow or light green insulated wire!). Paul Schwartzkopf ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 14:13:34 -0700 From: hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) To: wwi Subject: Re: Francois & the Gotha patterns Message-ID: Hi Jesse, Good to hear from you. Glad to assist you and Francois. First how to reach me: Charles Hart 271 S. Taft Ct. Louisville CO 80027 303-661-0921 (home) answering machine picks up after 3rd ring. I'll gladly buy one or so examples of what you manage to produce from this master. I'm sorry that I have no capacity at present to make decals, or I would offer to assist. Keep me posted on how you progress with this project. Please make the money payable to Glen K. Merrill. He is holding the funds for Francois until he arrives in the US for a trip with him this summer. No new trips in the immediate future to Antarctica, though I am trying to fund a trip to Australia this summer for a conference. Pity, though that I will be there in the dead of their winter. Perhaps this will make for another trip to the Australian War Memorial. We'll see. Interesting to learn that you now reside in Raleigh. I lived there in the 60's and attended Boylan Heights Elementary School. I would be amazed if this school was still even in use. My father worked at Dorthea Dix hospital and we lived in a brick house on the grounds of the hospital. This was when they had 6000 or so patients in that facility. That place has changed immensely since then. Francois sent me a message saying that he has posted to me today (Wednesday) the patterns along with photos he is sending to me. I'll let you know when they arrive. Take care, Charles >Charles, > >Thank you for brokering this transaction. Could you tell me your mail >address so I can send you a money order? > >I am interested in creating a limited run kit from the patterns. Oddly >enough, Martin Digmayer & I have been independently researching this >unusual aircraft for a while. I want to add parts to the kit to make either >the floatplane or land-based bomber versions. > >I am living in Raleigh, North Carolina now. My address is > >Jesse Thorn >1020 Nicholwood Drive Apt. 305 >Raleigh, North Carolina 27605 > >My phone number is 919-829-5567 > >Hope all is well with you - do you have any new trips planned to the Antarctic? > >--Jesse ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 14:16:02 -0700 From: hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) To: wwi Message-ID: My apologies to the list for clutter of what is otherwise personal e-mail. Gotta remember to check that recipient line. Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 19:14:38 -0500 From: bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: New hand - old fingers Message-ID: <199703270014.TAA26503@pease1.sr.unh.edu> At 10:27 AM 3/23/97 -0500, Tom Werner Hansen wrote: > >BTW, does anybody know how I could get hold of some the articles and >drawings referred to , like >the scale drawings in Nieuport Fighters, Vol. 1, >Windsock International, Vol. 7 No. 1, >the Nieuport Fighters Datafile Special, Vol. 1. >Windsock Vol.5 No.3 and No. 4 >Best of Windsock, Vol. 1 I have a xerox copy of the oriiginal datafile that has a lot of the stuff. If you haven't gotten any responses yet, let me know and I'll copy for you. >Also, why is everybody throwing out the ESCI decals, aren't they accurate >enough, or is there a problem with the film/adhesive? My luck with the Esci decals has been mixed. Some go on fine and look good.(The N. 17c w/Nungesser's markings) Other seem to crumble upon application. I always try to use them, but also have another set ready, just in case. BTW, I was in Oslo 2 years ago and couldn't find any good model stores. Where do you get your stuff???? HTH Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 19:19:02 -0500 From: bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: More thoughts about the pin Message-ID: <199703270019.TAA26518@pease1.sr.unh.edu> Just got back from Vacation and had trouble following this thread/argument/diatribe. Anyway. I'm in for 3 pins, regardless. Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 19:19:07 -0500 From: bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: re: The Pup is flying Message-ID: <199703270019.TAA26528@pease1.sr.unh.edu> At 10:02 AM 3/25/97 -0500, Jack Berlien wrote: > >3) Finally, I would also be interested in what you find out about the Roland - >the paint scheme on the box top doesn't look very interesting but I have no >sources of other options... Jack I did one in green w/ blue underwings and a shark mouth. The scheme came with the decals and looks cool. I also found a camouflaged one in a book. Green and Mauve w/a red band just before the tail structure. HTH Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 19:28:32 -0500 From: bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Fantasy of Flight Museum Message-ID: <199703270028.TAA26552@pease1.sr.unh.edu> Greetings everyone! Looks like there was lots going on while I was in sunny Florida watching Spring Training last week. I must admit I missed reading the listing everyday...trying to read over 150 when I got back was grueling! Anyway, I had earlier asked about the Fantasy of Flight museum just outside Tampa. Some on the list, of course I forget who, gave it a good review. So, I went. Let me add to the review: WOW =8-0 While not a lot of WWI stuff, what there was was interesting. The B-17 Bomber walkthrough was teriffic. They also had a Fighter-town section that allowed you to fly in a flight simulater against Zeros. I managed to stay alive, but no victories. The whole place is done up in 1930"s art deco style. No expense seems to have been spared. A really classy place...takes about 2 hours and not that expensive.....unless you keep paying for the Wildcat simulater! Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 97 19:54:55 PST From: "Shelley Goodwin" To: wwi Subject: Halberstadt Cl.IV Message-ID: <9702268594.AA859435097@mx.Ricochet.net> Any 1/48 or 1/72 kits made of this 'un? Riordan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 22:47:08 -0700 From: mnelson@compusmart.ab.ca (Mark K. Nelson) To: wwi Subject: Re: Mobile progress Message-ID: Matt Bacon "spewmed": >Just in case anyone was wondering, I'm on the home straight with the >WW1(ish) mobile for small son Jack. Just the cabane struts and engine to >add to the final Albatros, and it's time to assemble the whole thing... Whoa, I'd forgotten about that project. Congratulations! Um, what's a bulldog doing dogfighting Albatri - a bit lopsided, no? Artwork deleted, sorry! >A question: > >Clearly aircraft in a dogfight chasing each other round and round are >banking. But how much? Would they be in 90o vertical banks or something >more like 45o? Anybody know? The final choice will obviously be made for >artistic reasons (just as the colour schemes are more "inspired by" >than "copied from"...) but it would be nice to know what would be >"right." I think that the extremes of bank would depend on the desperation of the pilot. A 90o bank could give a really tight turn but would sacrifice height in a big hurry. A 45ish bank with assorted pitch up & down might look the best (and give the best view of the planes.) _____________________________________________________________________ Mark (An Employee at Kites & Other Delights in West Edmonton Mall) ------------------------ mnelson@compusmart.ab.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 09:40:02 +0000 (GMT) From: Sandy Adam To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Sunday, 25 March 1917, Raoenel Message-ID: On Tue, 25 Mar 1997, Erik wrote: > What was he chasing? Sounds to me rather like a Belgian marking, > no? Ha-ha! Swine Belgians must be in league with the Boches!!... > I think we have at least one Belgian member of this list and suggest an apology would not go amiss. Sandy ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 478 *********************