WWI Digest 471 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Udet's Fokkers by Carlos Valdes 2) Re: St. Louis Jasta by DavidL1217@aol.com 3) Diary & Fokker DVIII by "CLINTON P. LOVELL" 4) Redfern Plans for Homebuilt by "CLINTON P. LOVELL" 5) Genet diaries by "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" 6) Re[2]: Lt. Victor Hafner's D.V 5350/17 (was Pascha Albatrose by "Shelley Goodwin" 7) Aurora kits by "Mark Alan Johnson" 8) Re: one and only? by Hirohisa Ozaki 9) Re: Albatros help and Museum visit. by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 10) Re[2]: Lt. Victor Hafner's D.V 5350/17 (was Pascha Albatrose by "Shelley Goodwin" 11) Re: Albatros help and Museum visit. by Sandy Adam 12) Re: Diary & Fokker DVIII by barrett@iplink.net (barrett) 13) Monday, 19 March 1917, Raoenel by "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" 14) List down? by "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" 15) List Crashed by aew (Allan Wright) 16) Re: Wire wheels and 7 cylinders by Charles_A._Duckworth@notes.up.com (Charles A. Duckworth) 17) Blue Rider by mbittner@juno.com 18) Nieuport 28 ponderance by mbittner@juno.com 19) Re: Diary & Fokker DVIII by "CLINTON P. LOVELL" 20) re: Aurora kits - Reviews? by Jack Berlien 21) Re: Aurora kits - Reviews? by aew (Allan Wright) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 19:36:37 -0500 From: Carlos Valdes To: wwi Subject: Re: Udet's Fokkers Message-ID: <332F3515.7CB8@conted.gatech.edu> Jack, You've hit upon one of my minor obssessions: the colors of Udet's D.VIIs, in particular his most famous one. This is a frustrating topic due to the absence of photographic coverage of said aircraft--the photo in the JG I Special is the only one we have. While as you noted it is always portrayed as red, I really have my doubts about Udet's use of that color on this particular aircraft. I've asked Greg VanWyngarden about this machine, and he believes, along with Alex Imrie and no doubt others, that the top wing was painted black and white, thus imitating both the top wing of Kirchstein's Dr.I, which Udet had flown for a while, and the tailplane colors and design of Jasta 37, Udet's previous command before coming to JG I. Furthermore, as Jasta 4 used black noses and Udet had added black fuselages to the Jasta 37 livery upon taking command, I believe that if not only the tailplane (as seen in the photo of this D.VII and bearing the chevron marking which Udet had also used on the sides of the nose of his J37 D.V) but also the fuselage was overpainted, it would have been in black, perhaps retaining the white longeron "outlines" characteristic of J4. Of course, there's no way of telling most of this from the photo, but then again the only reason this aircraft is depicted with red markings is a couple of combat reports that refer to later machines. Anyway, that's my two cents' worth; I guess we'll never know for certain unless some new evidence is somehow found. I have a copy of the Abbot article on Udet's D.VIIs somewhere and, provided I can find it, will be glad to send a copy to you. Be forewarned, though, that while Dan does good work he sometimes jumps to the wrong conclusion; witness his WWI Aero article in which he determined that Udet/Kirchstein's Dr.I was finished in red and pale blue! HTH. Carlos ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 21:24:45 -0500 (EST) From: DavidL1217@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: St. Louis Jasta Message-ID: <970318212306_653248111@emout04.mail.aol.com> I'm glad you had a good trip. I look forward to seeing you and the other guys. David nb: Sky Birds Halberstadt DII ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 21:21:40 -0600 (CST) From: "CLINTON P. LOVELL" To: wwi Subject: Diary & Fokker DVIII Message-ID: <199703190321.VAA00609@sakaki.communique.net> I am really enjoying the daily memoirs that are being sent. If the sender could e-mail me direct @ Forrest@Communique.net with the book title, publisher, etc. I would love to get a copy. Also, I'm looking for colour schemes for the Fokker DVIII (1/6th Scale R/C) that I'm finishing up right now. I have one,but unfortunately, my old Profile Publication is missing. If anyone could scan and attach a color three-view or four-view of what you have and attach it to an e-mail to me I'd really appreciate it. Thanks and keep up the good work from all. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 21:28:25 -0600 (CST) From: "CLINTON P. LOVELL" To: wwi Subject: Redfern Plans for Homebuilt Message-ID: <199703190328.VAA01342@sakaki.communique.net> In case anyone here wants to make the jump to full size planes and flying, I have one set each of Walt Redfern's Neiuport 17 and Fokker Tri-plane plans for sale. Price is $75.00/each (US) and S & H. If interested, please e-mail reply to Forrest@Communique.net. Oh, before I forget, I also have Graham Lee's Neiuport 11/17 Homebuilt plans and a partially completed airframe for sale @ $400 and you pick it up in Louisiana. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 00:12:25 -0800 From: "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" To: wwi Subject: Genet diaries Message-ID: <332F9FE9.7B9A@host.dmsc.net> Someone asked about the Genet diaries, so I thought I'd post the full citation for the List, in case others wish to know. AN AMERICAN FOR LAFAYETTE: THE DIARIES OF E.C.C. GENET, LAFAYETTE ESCADRILLE, Edited by Walt Brown, Jr., with an introduction by Dale L. Walker (Charlottesville: University Press of Virginia, 1981). ISBN: 0-8139-0893-0 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 97 22:28:10 PST From: "Shelley Goodwin" To: wwi Subject: Re[2]: Lt. Victor Hafner's D.V 5350/17 (was Pascha Albatrose Message-ID: <9702188587.AA858753136@mx.Ricochet.net> Mark, Feldgrau is possibly gray-green, similar to WWII Luftwaffe RLM 02. Is there any written reference to tan being applied on Pasha aircraft? I guessed the lighter color might be feldgrau as it was apparently common and quite possibly what was used on D.III D.636/17. BTW, do you have any Pasha Alb. photo refs other than the C&C stuff? Riordan ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Lt. Victor Hafner's D.V 5350/17 (was Pascha Albatrosen) Author: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu at Internet Date: 3/18/97 4:43 AM > Paschaphiles, > > I'm looking at a photo in C&C vol. 11 #4 pg 353 which shows this D.V > with a light/dark two tone scheme of standard pattern on the flying > surfaces and possible natural wood fuselage w/ dark vertical band. > I'm guessing the colors might be feldgrau and red-brown... > > Any ideas? > > Riordan Hey Riordan - Forgive my ignorance, but would feldgrau be a green or a gray color? My teutonic is fairly limited. Looking at the same photo myself, I'm wondering if the two tone might be a tan with red-brown, simply because it makes a logical desert camo. Note that the Turkish AEG CIV on the preceding page has what appears to be a similar two tone pattern. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 00:35:44 CDT From: "Mark Alan Johnson" To: wwi Subject: Aurora kits Message-ID: <2D88E3B0343@ASMS1.DSC.K12.AR.US> Hello again! Thank you for your comments concerning the Aurora WWI kits. If anyone has anymore information, opinions , and/or views, I sure would like to hear some more (I hope this isn't just my fixation). Sincerely, Mark Johnson ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 15:41:34 +0900 From: Hirohisa Ozaki To: wwi Subject: Re: one and only? Message-ID: <9703190642.AA04872@wight.miln.mei.co.jp> Kevin, Rob, I thank you for your heartfelt messages. I have some modeller friends in Japan. But nobody of them has interest in WWI modeling. Sometime, I envy some list members who can see and talk directly each other. I feel more lonely if I have subscribed in this list. Thank you for all! Cheers! Hiro. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 22:47:34 -0800 From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: Albatros help and Museum visit. Message-ID: <199703190647.AA19271@ednet1.orednet.org> In our last episode, Sandy was saying: -snips- >One thing that stood out was a section of Albatros DIII fuselage complete >with cross, that was finished in a strange green shade with >soup-plate-sized yellow polka dots! The number was 769/17 and I wonder if >any of the AltenDeutschenKamaraden on this list have serial lists that >would a) give details of how this machine was lost and b) what the rest of >the colour scheme was. It certainly looks like a pretty bizarre finish but >I would dearly love to do my Eduard DIII (when it comes out) in a locally >appropriate scheme. Are you sure the s/n wasn't 796/17? If so, the description fits the Albatross D.III of Ltn d Reserve George Hermann Paul Noth of Jasta Boelcke whose aircraft was described as "green with yellow spots". Noth was downed on May 19, 1917 by Lt. W. M. Fry of No. 60 Sqdn near Gouy-en-Ternois and Albatros D.III 796/17 was assigned RFC "capture number" G39. Noth was taken POW and later died of his wounds. The remainder of the markings would likely have consisted of a white tail as this was the Jasta marking being used by Jasta 2 (Boelcke) during the spring/summer of 1917. The yellow spots were apparently Noth's personal markings. Hope this helps. Cheers, -- - Bill Shatzer bshatzer@orednet.org - "Oh, what sad times are these when passing ruffians can say 'ni' at will to old ladies." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 97 22:31:27 PST From: "Shelley Goodwin" To: wwi Subject: Re[2]: Lt. Victor Hafner's D.V 5350/17 (was Pascha Albatrose Message-ID: <9702188587.AA858756616@mx.Ricochet.net> PK, Do you have any opinions on the apparently non-standard scheme of this interesting bird? Riordan ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Lt. Victor Hafner's D.V 5350/17 (was Pascha Albatrosen) Author: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu at Internet Date: 3/18/97 4:43 AM > Paschaphiles, > > I'm looking at a photo in C&C vol. 11 #4 pg 353 which shows this D.V > with a light/dark two tone scheme of standard pattern on the flying > surfaces and possible natural wood fuselage w/ dark vertical band. > I'm guessing the colors might be feldgrau and red-brown... > > Any ideas? > > Riordan Hey Riordan - Forgive my ignorance, but would feldgrau be a green or a gray color? My teutonic is fairly limited. Looking at the same photo myself, I'm wondering if the two tone might be a tan with red-brown, simply because it makes a logical desert camo. Note that the Turkish AEG CIV on the preceding page has what appears to be a similar two tone pattern. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 09:59:45 +0000 (GMT) From: Sandy Adam To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Albatros help and Museum visit. Message-ID: On Tue, 18 Mar 1997, Paul Howard wrote: > Got any pictures of the markings? That might make it easier to find. > > > > One thing that stood out was a section of Albatros DIII fuselage complete > > with cross, that was finished in a strange green shade with > > soup-plate-sized yellow polka dots! The number was 769/17 and I wonder if > > any of the AltenDeutschenKamaraden on this list have serial lists that > > would a) give details of how this machine was lost and b) what the rest > of > > the colour scheme was. It certainly looks like a pretty bizarre finish > > Sandy I did not take a camera as I had not expected to find much pre-ww2 stuff, but I came back with copious sketches and notes. The section of fuselage is about 1 metre long and 80cm high. it is the starboard panel aft of the cockpit with the eiserne Kreuz in the centre - obviously the reason why the souvenir was taken. Overall colour is a palish khaki-green (I don't have colour refs here but can compare later if useful); to the left and right of the cross are polka dots of a buff-yellow colour about 15cm in diameter, three aft and three forward of the insignia at regular spacing. The field behind the cros is the plain green colour. The impression (perhaps erroneous) is that the whole fuselage might be similarly marked. The section is easily viewed throught the glass case and allows close-up inspection of longerons (top and bottom) and ply joints. I was astonished at how thin the ply skin is! On the reverse (inside) is marked the inscription Albatross 769/17 running vertically - from the spelling I assume this is a later non-German addition to identify the section after removal from the airframe. My hope would be that the entire plane might be polka-dotted! but this is probably unlikely. If anyone can identify either the number or the markings I'd be greatful. Thanks Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 06:38:34 -0500 From: barrett@iplink.net (barrett) To: wwi Subject: Re: Diary & Fokker DVIII Message-ID: >Also, I'm looking for colour >schemes for the Fokker DVIII (1/6th Scale R/C) that I'm finishing up right >now. I have one,but unfortunately, my old Profile Publication is missing. If >anyone could scan and attach a color three-view or four-view of what you >have and attach it to an e-mail to me I'd really appreciate it. Thanks and >keep up the good work from all. Clinton, About two months ago the list had a discussion about the virtues and pitfalls of a couple of D VIII kits. Although the Sign kit was generally trashed, one of its bright spots was a presentation of six colour schemes. Although a common Jasta 6 lozenge/black & white stripe scheme was included (well documented in the Albatros Publications Fabric special JGI and just about every D VIII kit on the market), the Sign kit also shows (in black & white profiles) interesting schemes from Holland, America (captured), 2 Polish Air Force, and one scheme said to be Theo Ostercamp's D VIII from Marine Jasta 2. This last scheme is definately the most interesting. The fusalage is covered with 12 alternating vertical bands of yellow and black of equal width, The cowling is black. The wing and struts are dark green. Wheel covers are yellow. Rudder is white. The tail plane is covered on the upper and lower surfaces with lozenge. The undercarriage plane is also shown to be lozenge covered. All-in-all, a pretty cool scheme, although I seem to remember that the list couldn't verify a source for it. I'm sure anyone on the list (including myself) with the kit would be happy to send you photocopies of the Sign schemes, but since they're just b&w schematics, they may not be what you're after. Let me know. Good luck, Kevin. BTW, what the heck is 1/6th scale? ;-) What sick weirdo came up with that one? (!) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 11:28:10 -0800 From: "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" To: wwi Subject: Monday, 19 March 1917, Raoenel Message-ID: <33303E4A.55A5@host.dmsc.net> 959. Cloudy windy day. Escadrille on duty this a.m. MacConnell, I and Parsons went out for 3rd Patrol at 9 o'clock to protect French reconnaissance machines around Ham. Parsons had to return before we reached the lines on account of motor trouble. "Mac" and I kept on--he leading. We stayed under 2000 metres and patroled around Ham over the French reglage avions until about 10 o'clock. Then "Mac" headed north towards St Quentin and I followed to the rear and above him. North of Ham I discovered two German machines much higher than we coming towards us to attack. One was much nearer than the other and began to come towards "Mac." I immediately started up towards it and met it at 2200 metres--leaving Mac to take care of the end. The German Avion was a biplace and his gunner opened fire on me at 200 yds. as the pilot began to circle around me. I opened fire with my incendiary bullets and headed directly for them. The German's first few shots cut one main wing support in half and an explosive bullet hit the guiding rod of the left aileron and cut open a nice hole in my left cheek. I scarcely noticed it and kept on firing until we were scarcely 25 yds apart. We passed close and I peaked down. The German didn't follow but an anti-aircraft battery shelled me for quite awhile. At 1000 metres I stopped and circled around for 15 minutes in search of Mac and the second Boche but the clouds were thick and I saw nothing. I was afraid my supports would break entirely and my wound was hurting some so I headed for St Just at a low altitude reaching there at 10:45 hoping all the way back that Mac had preceeded but when I arrived I found he had not and tho Lufberry and Lt de Laage have been out over the region north of Ham with their Spads this afternoon to look for him (de Laage also landed to ask the troops if they saw him brought down) they found nothing and the chances are Mac was either brought down by the German machine or else wounded in combat and forced to land in their territory and so is a prisoner. Its the best we can hope for--that he is at least alive. I feel dreadfully--my wound, tho a bit painful, is nothing compared to my grief for poor "Mac's" loss. The commandant told me, when I described the combat to him this morning, that I fought bravely. I wish I had been able to do more for MacConnell. The French and English forces are advancing beyond Nesle, Ham, and Noyon and with few losses. Perhaps to-morrow will bring forth better news of "Mac" if the advance continues. British troops have taken Peronne and the French have gained the Heights north of Soissons. The enemy are retreating back to St Quentin and the Hindenburg line. Thaw landed beside Nesle this morning to give information to the British cavalry patrols and had lunch with a French woman and her daughters who have been 31 months behind German lines. The civilians left by the Germans in the recaptured towns are wild with joy and relief at being once again with their own people. The German troops before retiring have torn up all roads, railroads, cut down all trees, flooded a lot of land, fired all important buildings in every town, insulted the women--carrying off many of the younger women and old men with them, and destroying all stores they couldn't carry with them. they are fiends if ever there were any! All the territory at present in their hands towards St Quentin is in flames. Its horrible to see. German submarines have torpedoed 3 more vessels carrying the American Flag. Now will any action be taken! Ther French are trying to form a new cabinet and the revolution in Russia has quited down with the installation of the new popular government. My machine has been nearly repaired this afternoon, and as my wound is scarcely grave enough to bother over I hope I shall be out on service again either to-morrow afternoon or at least the following day. Thank God I escaped so luckily to-day but I do wish I had brought down that damned Boche machine and that Poor MacConnell was back safely with us to-night. If he was killed I know he met his end bravely fighting. God grant he isn't dead! from the War Diary of E.C.C. Genet ************************************** Monday, March 19, 1917 MacConnell, Parsons and myself went on 3rd patrol this morning at 9 o'clock with orders to protect reconnaissance machines along our lines. Parsons was forced to return on account of a bad motor but Mac and I kept on--he leading. We went over around the region east of Guiscard and around Ham and kept at a few hundred meters over several Farmans and Caudron Bi-motor avions doing observation work there. The German lines were just north of Ham. About 10 o'clock MacConnell for some reason headed northeast towards St Quentin and I followed behind and above him. About half way I discovered two German machines above us and coming our way to attack. I at once started to climb up to get higher than the nearest machine and left Mac to go after the one farthest away. The nearest one started to get into position to dive down over Mac when I got up towards him but seeing me he turned and we came rapidly towards each other. His machine was a dark dusty green biplace and I found it difficult to see him thru the mist. I had just gained his height when we were close enough to open fire which his gunner did first. He began to circle around me and I opened fire with my incendiary bullets and headed straight for him getting closer every second as he turned. His first volley of bullets did good work. One cut in half the left main control support of my upper wing, another (an explosive bullet) cut in half the guiding rod of my left aileron (a thing which I never noticed until I got back) and a piece of that bullet cut a nasty gash in my left cheek, stunning me a trifle but not enough to keep me from continuing to fire as we approached. I must have hit him but did no serious damage. He put two other bullets in my upper wing. We passed each other at less than 25 meters and I peaked down. Then I discovered the condition of my wing support and wondered every second where it would hold til I could get back or not. My wound was smarting and bleeding quite a bit. While diving I was heavily shelled by a battery. At an altitude of 1000 meters near Ham I circled around for 15 minutes anxiously watching for Mac and the 2nd Boche machine but failed to see either and so came back to St Just, just hoping all the while that Mac was alright and possibly had gotten back before me but when I landed I found he had not returned and not a word has been heard of him all the day since, altho Lieut DeLaage and Lufberry went out on a search for him or signs of his machine north of Ham this afternoon. He has undoubtedly come down in the enemy's territory--either dead or wounded-- God grant the former! Feel terribly over his loss. My wound is a very little matter and scarcely painful. I should be on service either tomorrow p.m. or the following day as my machine is being rapidly repaired-- "Mac" has got to be revenged! French and British troops took Nesle and Ham today and the French have advanced north and northeast of Noyon and Guiscard. The English have also taken Peronne and the French gained the heights north of Soissons. The enemy is falling back to the Hindenburg line, running thru St Quentin to the south as far as the Oise River with very little resistance everywhere. Time: 1 hour 45 minutes Height maximum 2500 meters from the Flight Log of E.C.C. Genet, N-124 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 12:05:31 -0800 From: "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" To: wwi Subject: List down? Message-ID: <3330470B.1FB9@host.dmsc.net> I've received no posts at all from the List today, including two regarding Genet that I posted myself. Is the List down? Or have I been accidentally unsubscribed? Bradley ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 17:45:28 -0500 (EST) From: aew (Allan Wright) To: wwi Subject: List Crashed Message-ID: <199703192245.RAA01115@pease1.sr.unh.edu> Sorry Everyine, I've been telling some of you offline that things here at work have been busy for me. So busy that I had so many applications runing on my workstation that the list crashed. Should be O.K. now. -Allan =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | You fell victim to one of the 'classic' blunders! University of New Hampshire+--------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 17:21:46 -0500 From: Charles_A._Duckworth@notes.up.com (Charles A. Duckworth) To: wwi Subject: Re: Wire wheels and 7 cylinders Message-ID: <1997Mar19.172004.1155.1369820@uprr-internet.notes.up.com> Who makes the best brass etched wire wheels in 1/48th? I like the set that comes with the Eduard 1/48th Eindecker but these wheels were not included in any of their other models I've purchased. Also am looking for a 7 cylinder rotary to put under a Morane type H any ideas for an engine (metal or resin)? Thanks ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 17:27:17 -0600 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Blue Rider Message-ID: <19970319.172717.13550.6.mbittner@juno.com> Has anybody heard from Richard at Blue Rider? I've sent a few messages to his personal account without any reply. Matt mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 17:20:33 -0600 From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Nieuport 28 ponderance Message-ID: <19970319.172717.13550.4.mbittner@juno.com> Even though I'm practically done with the Revell Nie.28, I was wondering... Does anybody on the list have the Lone Star Nie.28 aftermarket stuff in 1/72nd? Could that person tell me what both the decals and photoetch set have on them? TIA! Matt mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 17:28:11 -0600 (CST) From: "CLINTON P. LOVELL" To: wwi Subject: Re: Diary & Fokker DVIII Message-ID: <199703192328.RAA01512@sakaki.communique.net> If you could, then please send me photocopies of the scheme you mentioned. My mailing address is Clinton Lovell, 1000 Rue Orleans, Slidell, LA. 70458-2227. Thanks Clinton At 05:42 PM 3/19/97 -0500, you wrote: >>Also, I'm looking for colour >>schemes for the Fokker DVIII (1/6th Scale R/C) that I'm finishing up right >>now. I have one,but unfortunately, my old Profile Publication is missing. If >>anyone could scan and attach a color three-view or four-view of what you >>have and attach it to an e-mail to me I'd really appreciate it. Thanks and >>keep up the good work from all. > >Clinton, > >About two months ago the list had a discussion about the virtues and >pitfalls of a couple of D VIII kits. Although the Sign kit was generally >trashed, one of its bright spots was a presentation of six colour schemes. >Although a common Jasta 6 lozenge/black & white stripe scheme was included >(well documented in the Albatros Publications Fabric special JGI and just >about every D VIII kit on the market), the Sign kit also shows (in black & >white profiles) interesting schemes from Holland, America (captured), 2 >Polish Air Force, and one scheme said to be Theo Ostercamp's D VIII from >Marine Jasta 2. This last scheme is definately the most interesting. The >fusalage is covered with 12 alternating vertical bands of yellow and black >of equal width, The cowling is black. The wing and struts are dark green. >Wheel covers are yellow. Rudder is white. The tail plane is covered on the >upper and lower surfaces with lozenge. The undercarriage plane is also >shown to be lozenge covered. All-in-all, a pretty cool scheme, although I >seem to remember that the list couldn't verify a source for it. > >I'm sure anyone on the list (including myself) with the kit would be happy >to send you photocopies of the Sign schemes, but since they're just b&w >schematics, they may not be what you're after. Let me know. > >Good luck, > >Kevin. > >BTW, what the heck is 1/6th scale? ;-) >What sick weirdo came up with that one? (!) > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 17:53:35 -0800 From: Jack Berlien To: wwi Subject: re: Aurora kits - Reviews? Message-ID: > From: "Mark Alan Johnson" , on 3/19/97 5:41 PM: > Hello again! > > Thank you for your comments concerning the Aurora WWI kits. > If anyone has anymore information, opinions , and/or views, I > sure would like to hear some more (I hope this isn't just my > fixation). > > Sincerely, > Mark Johnson > For those of us (beginners or otherwise) who are building the Smer/Aurora (or Airfix - I guess I gave myself away as a 1/48th 'er) kits, I would love to see some mini-reviews done by those more experienced members who have built the kits. These reviews might identify the major flaws in each kit, and briefly describe what was done to correct them. I would personally prefer to build these more-or-less as-is, rather than, say discard 75% of the kit and scratchbuild the rest. I am interested, though, in the simpler changes like removing cast on markings, adding control horns, detaching/repositioning rudders and elevators, removing the "dashboard" from the DRI (for example), adding scratchbuilt details, etc. I think this would be useful to all those who buy the cheaper kits, for practice or otherwise, and are interested in improving them to make a decent model out of it. These would be similar to what has been done already on a few kits, like how Pedro described the process of building his Airfix Pup, and they could be less detailed than Matt's Nieuport 17 conversion artical. Any volunteers? I would do the Smer DRI, although I'm far from experienced, and I didn't do anything to the cockpit, but I did modify it quite a bit and added a few scratchbuilt details. If you just glanced at it, it might pass for a roughly built DML kit! Best regards, jack ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 18:55:56 -0500 (EST) From: aew (Allan Wright) To: wwi Subject: Re: Aurora kits - Reviews? Message-ID: <199703192355.SAA01612@pease1.sr.unh.edu> Mark Writes: > From: "Mark Alan Johnson" , on 3/19/97 5:41 PM: > Thank you for your comments concerning the Aurora WWI kits. > If anyone has anymore information, opinions , and/or views, I > sure would like to hear some more (I hope this isn't just my > fixation). The WWW page has an excellent article written by Bill Shatzer. You can find it at: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu/misc/aurora.html -Al =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | You fell victim to one of the 'classic' blunders! University of New Hampshire+--------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu =============================================================================== ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 471 *********************