WWI Digest 467 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Aurora kits by "Mark Alan Johnson" 2) Re: Starting The Library by bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 3) Re: Airfix Hannover by bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 4) Re: button, button, who's got the button by bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 5) Re: Pascha Albatrosen by bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 6) Tampa model stores by bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 7) Re: Revell Nieuport XI by Kevin Wenker 8) Re: Aurora kits by "Shelley Goodwin" 9) Lt. Victor Hafner's D.V 5350/17 (was Pascha Albatrosen) by "Shelley Goodwin" 10) Re: button, button, who's got the button by "Rob " 11) Re: Button High Dudgeon by "Rob " 12) Re: Button design (fwd) by "Rob " 13) Re: Button High Dudgeon by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 14) Re: Aurora kits by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 15) Re: Button High Dudgeon by "Rob " 16) Re: Revell Nieuport XI by mbittner@juno.com 17) Re: Aurora kits by mbittner@juno.com 18) Re: Magazines FS: Windsock, etc... by SOPWITH@worldnet.att.net 19) Wednesday, 14 March 1917, Raoenel by "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" 20) Genet: markings on his Nieuport by "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" 21) Re: Aurora kits by phoward@abilene.com (Paul Howard) 22) Thursday, 15 March 1917, Raoenel by "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" 23) Re: Magazines FS: Windsock, etc... by models@pacbell.net ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 19:13:48 CDT From: "Mark Alan Johnson" To: wwi Subject: Aurora kits Message-ID: <2732D723E4A@ASMS1.DSC.K12.AR.US> Dear Subscribers: Hello! I've been "lurking" for the past year reading all your comments. I"ve learned a lot of aviation history and have a TON of modelling techniques to try out. Thanks to all of you. I first started in the early '60's, as a kid, with all the old Aurora monster models. Remember them? One day I opened up a copy of Boy's Life magazine and there was a full color ad for Aurora's 1/48 line of WWI aircraft. That's what got me started. If possible, and if you have the time, I would love to hear from you concerning your impression (reviews) of the kits, (decals, molding quality, correct shapes,etc.,etc.) I have some letters from the list on the Eduard and DML kits, but I really want to hear about the Aurora kits and its' descendents (K&B, Smer, Glencoe NO NOT THEIR D-III!, Merit, and Artiplast). Sincerely, Mark Johnson Hot Springs, AR ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 20:32:35 -0500 From: bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Starting The Library Message-ID: <199703150132.UAA28075@pease1.sr.unh.edu> At 06:14 AM 3/11/97 -0500, barrett wrote: >Mike replies: > >> This is one of my favorites also. O keep it in the office for light >>reading while a jury is out deliberating. I particularly like the color >>pictures of the airplanes. > > >Mike, > >..Deliberating on the accuracy of the colour plates? Or perhaps you're a >lawyer! > >Kevin. Guilty as charged...the fate of most of my clients of late! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 20:32:39 -0500 From: bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Airfix Hannover Message-ID: <199703150132.UAA28082@pease1.sr.unh.edu> At 07:21 AM 3/13/97 -0500, barrett wrote: >To The List: > >Apparently, Airfix had a 1/72 scale Hannover Cl III available sometime in >the past. Has anyone ever seen or built this kit? Impressions? None of the >catalogs I have access to list it, while John Roll says it's no longer >available. I wonder if they'll reissue? > Kevin I picked up 2 awhile ago. While out of production, they didn't seem to hard to pick up. I think I got mine from Lencraft in California. The kit went together easily. The decals are junk. I used some Polish decals to fit a scheme in one of the articles Jim L. sent me. The plane was a solid green with clear doped linen wings. End result looked pretty nice. The outward angle for the interplane struts wasn't too hard, but I hazd a little trouble with the Tailplane. Couldn't seem to get the wings parallel. The landing gear is fragile, but went on nicely, especially compaired to the SPAD VII! HTH Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 20:32:40 -0500 From: bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: button, button, who's got the button Message-ID: <199703150132.UAA28091@pease1.sr.unh.edu> At 12:40 AM 3/14/97 -0500, Rob wrote: >Mike wrote: > >> Did you mention the colors or will it be b&w. > >The image will be black and white for both design and cost reasons. The >background white or, perhaps, a nice undoped linen color. Cool. Linen gets my vote, though perhaps scarlet would be more in keeping with this madman! Mike ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 20:32:39 -0500 From: bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Pascha Albatrosen Message-ID: <199703150132.UAA28084@pease1.sr.unh.edu> At 09:35 PM 3/12/97 -0500, Shelley Goodwin wrote: > Having finally bagged a couple of Smer Albatraii 'Trop', I'm now > perusing my meager refs on Palestine species. From C&C and an > unspecified source, it seems that some D.IIIs (such as D.636/17) may > have been feldgrau overall with natural linen or light blue > undersurfaces. Some DVs with late markings (such as D.5359) on the > other hand are seen sporting either dark varnished or red-brown > fuselages with standard grau cowling, covers, louvers, etc. > Anyone with photo refs of Macedonian Alb.s? > Mark et al, you are all welcome to chime in on this. Riordan I seem to remember an article or two in OTF within the last 2 years about that sector of the War. I thought there were some Albatros shown in the article. There were some A-H aircraft that were somewhere in that neck of the woods that had the wingtips painted black that show up in the A-H Army Aircraft book. HTH Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 20:32:44 -0500 From: bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Tampa model stores Message-ID: <199703150132.UAA28107@pease1.sr.unh.edu> I'm getting ready to leave on my spring training trip Monday. Anybody know of any good hobby stores in the Tampa/St.Pete area? I can't go too long without a modeling fix! Mike Muth nb: Albatros D-III Ltn. Dotzel nu: Butch O'Hare's F4F-3 np: Neil Young Sleeps with Angels ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 22:19:25 -0600 From: Kevin Wenker To: wwi Subject: Re: Revell Nieuport XI Message-ID: <332A234D.9C2@interaccess.com> Ok, I found the article in FSM. Turns out the article is about detailing the Hobbycraft Canada 1/32nd Nieuport 17. No mention of Revell in there at all. What do you expect from 1/48 scale modellers? Not just the eyesight is gone. Oh, for those who might be interested (cause it is a good detail article which can be applied to any scale), it's the September '93 FSM. The cover has a SH-3H Sea King helo on it. Kevin Wenker ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 97 21:02:48 PST From: "Shelley Goodwin" To: wwi Subject: Re: Aurora kits Message-ID: <9702148584.AA858402380@mx.Ricochet.net> Mark, I can offer some input, as I'm currently whittling the Aurora Albatros "D.III" kit which is/was currently issued by Smer of the Czech Republic. Not particularly accurate: the fuselage more closely resembles a D.V, fin/rudder looks like it belongs on a manatee, lower wings are short/raked too sharply, all flying surfaces are thick, engine shortblock too short, tailskid resembles a salami, machine guns look like Tiny Tim's crutches, cockpit opening too large, raised panel lines and decal locators are a damned nuisance. But what do you expect for a fiver? It's a useful modelling 'exercise' and a low cost way to do Albatrosen variant/scheme studies in 1/48th. Check the archives on Al's WWI modeling page for details of the Pfalz D.III. Riordan ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Aurora kits Author: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu at Internet Date: 3/14/97 5:30 PM Dear Subscribers: Hello! I've been "lurking" for the past year reading all your comments. I"ve learned a lot of aviation history and have a TON of modelling techniques to try out. Thanks to all of you. I first started in the early '60's, as a kid, with all the old Aurora monster models. Remember them? One day I opened up a copy of Boy's Life magazine and there was a full color ad for Aurora's 1/48 line of WWI aircraft. That's what got me started. If possible, and if you have the time, I would love to hear from you concerning your impression (reviews) of the kits, (decals, molding quality, correct shapes,etc.,etc.) I have some letters from the list on the Eduard and DML kits, but I really want to hear about the Aurora kits and its' descendents (K&B, Smer, Glencoe NO NOT THEIR D-III!, Merit, and Artiplast). Sincerely, Mark Johnson Hot Springs, AR ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 97 21:46:37 PST From: "Shelley Goodwin" To: wwi Subject: Lt. Victor Hafner's D.V 5350/17 (was Pascha Albatrosen) Message-ID: <9702148584.AA858405037@mx.Ricochet.net> Paschaphiles, I'm looking at a photo in C&C vol. 11 #4 pg 353 which shows this D.V with a light/dark two tone scheme of standard pattern on the flying surfaces and possible natural wood fuselage w/ dark vertical band. I'm guessing the colors might be feldgrau and red-brown... Any ideas? Riordan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 22:57:54 +0000 From: "Rob " To: wwi Subject: Re: button, button, who's got the button Message-ID: <199703150602.BAA29325@cliff.cris.com> > Now you're talking! Or we could go with 4 color lower surface lozenge, if > we could get someone to make the paper.....(just kidding). > > -Al Gee, Al. Five-color printing? What do you want, a $25 button to go with your Pegasus and Czech resin kits? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 23:07:08 +0000 From: "Rob " To: wwi Subject: Re: Button High Dudgeon Message-ID: <199703150611.BAA02705@cliff.cris.com> Re: > On Fri, 14 Mar 1997 02:31:29 -0500 "huggins@onramp.net" > writes: > > > I also indicated that we should not list individual url's on the > > pin. There are a number of us who have pages on the net. Some > > are professional and some personal/hobby. To list one site > > would not be fair to the other sites and there are too many to > > list them all. > > I would agree on this part. Most of the URL's dealing with our > line of the hobby are on Al's page, anyway. > > > I think in all fairness, the only url on the badge/pin should be > > the one for this news groupe. If a common image was to be made > > available to the subscribers and they wanted to download it and > > add their url and have the pin made them selves, that would be a > > different issue. > > Agreed. The artist replies: Uh, guys: I am doing the art, hence the plug for my page, Chandelle. Consider this my fee (I'm cheap too--try pricing this kind of work sometime). I doubt anyone would protest if Squadron or Blue Rider had offered to do the art for free provided its logo was there. But if I am wrong and if the list would rather use something else in the name of "fairness," fine. Get a consensus, and I'll withdraw my entry. Otherwise the text stays as is. Rob. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 23:10:00 +0000 From: "Rob " To: wwi Subject: Re: Button design (fwd) Message-ID: <199703150614.BAA03561@cliff.cris.com> > Rob wrote: > > > > Pedro writes: > > > I don't think that I'll ever be able to attend one of the great > > > modelling conventions/exhibitions/contests, that you have on the > > > epicentre of this most interesting mailing list. But you can count on > > > me: I'll wear that pin even while sleeping. Great work Rob. > > Thanks to Pedro and everyone else for the kind comments. But Pedro > > makes me think that the stick-on label alternative might be better > > for night wear! (OUCH!) To which Pedro replied: > No way Rob. Too much hair on my chest :-). Man! you are tougher than I thought. I was assuming that you were pinning the thing to your night shirt! Rob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 22:15:56 -0800 From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: Button High Dudgeon Message-ID: <199703150615.AA28126@ednet1.orednet.org> In our last episode, Rob was writing: >The artist replies: > >Uh, guys: I am doing the art, hence the plug for my page, Chandelle. Consider >this my fee (I'm cheap too--try pricing this kind of work sometime). >I doubt anyone would protest if Squadron or Blue Rider had offered >to do the art for free provided its logo was there. But if I am wrong and >if the list would rather use something else in the name of "fairness," >fine. Get a consensus, and I'll withdraw my entry. Otherwise the >text stays as is. The "fee" is fair - stick to your guns. Anyone doesn't like it, let THEM come up with alternate artwork! (I was kinda playing around with something showing Cindy Crawford at the controls of a Dr. I but it didn't work out half as neat as yours did - still, I thought my concept more promising!) :-) Cheers, -- - Bill Shatzer bshatzer@orednet.org - "Oh, what sad times are these when passing ruffians can say 'ni' at will to old ladies." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 22:58:42 -0800 From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: Aurora kits Message-ID: <199703150658.AA11527@ednet1.orednet.org> > >Dear Subscribers: > > >Hello! I've been "lurking" for the past year reading all your >comments. I"ve learned a lot of aviation history and have a >TON of modelling techniques to try out. Thanks to all of you. > >I first started in the early '60's, as a kid, with all the old Aurora >monster models. Remember them? One day I opened up a copy of >Boy's Life magazine and there was a full color ad for Aurora's >1/48 line of WWI aircraft. That's what got me started. > > >If possible, and if you have the time, I would love to hear from you >concerning your impression (reviews) of the kits, (decals, molding >quality, correct shapes,etc.,etc.) I have some letters from the list >on the Eduard and DML kits, but I really want to hear about the >Aurora kits and its' descendents (K&B, Smer, Glencoe NO NOT >THEIR D-III!, Merit, and Artiplast). OK, here is the entire quote on the Aurora kits from Brad Hansen's marvelous book, "WWI in Plastic". #100 Sopwith Triplane. Despite the fact that this is the first kit numerically, it was one of the last molded. Weaknesses are the poor gun, short landing gear, excessively angular wings, and airfoil of a very odd cross-section. The engine does rotate, though. It carries the markings of Collishaw's Black maria and is molded in glossy black. Actually, this plane would be predominately PC 10 the British fabric paint which was either olive drab or chocolate brown, depending on who you talk to. #101 Nieuport 11 "bebe". Generally accurate, although a bit large - could be made into a Nieuport 11 or 16. Details are oversized. Engine doesn't rotate. Has eight Le Prieur rockets. It carries the markings of a plane in the Lafayette Escadrille. A good kit with accurate shape. #102 Sopwith Camel. Sporting A. Roy Brown's markings, this kit has several deficiencies, notably the huge cut-out in the top wing, incorrect rudder shape, and non-standard cockpit opening. Struts are too thick, guns are poor, engine doesn't rotate. Includes bombs. Needs work. #103 S.E.5a. In Carlton Shank's Collector's Guide, he chose to list this as the earlier version of the S.E.5a, namely the S.E.5, probably because Aurora themselves do so, and also because the lower surface of the nose slopes upwards toward the radiator, like the S.E.5 rather than running parallel to the upper surfaces as on the S.E.5a. Still, there were more differences between the planes than these and otherwise the plane is an S.E.5a. Although it does have a complete engine and exhaust pipe assembly, the detail is heavy, the top wing center section is not smooth and the lower wing cut out is missing. It is too large and needs much work. Markings are James McCudden's A4891, No. 56 Sqdn. #104 Albatros D.III. Now, for this kit there is even more confusion than with the S.E.5. The tail surfaces are like those of a D.III although too thick but the fat fuselage, heavily scored with canal-wide groves intended to indicate plywood, is more representative of that found on an Albatros D.V. In fact, this kit was often listed in ads and articles from Great Britain as an Albatros D.V. It also has tow wing radiators, an uncommon variant found only on Albatroses in the Middle East theatre. Markings are of an unspecified aircraft, probably spurious. #105 Fokker Dr.I. This model, molded in a bizarre metallic burgundy in the first issues, is out of scale, along with the S.E.5a and the Fokker D.VII, probably because at this point Aurora was not sure whether to stick with a constant scale or to continue molding the kits to fit the box. The kit purports to represent Richthofen's last triplane but has the serial number listed as FDR.I 2009/17 which was actually the number printed on the struts as the Fokker company's designator. This is the first Aurora kit with rib detail on the undersurfaces and it is well done. The ailerons are equal as they should be but the engine doesn't rotate. Disregarding the scale, this is a good kit. #106 Fokker D.VII. Another kit that is marred primarily by its odd scale. General outline and detail is good. The struts are very thick though and the wing does not taper to its wingtips (when viewed from the front) as it should. Markings are of an unspecified plane. #107 SPAD XIII. This is one of Aurora's best WWI kits although the ribs are a little heavy handed. Its good points are the separate exhaust pipes, thinner than average struts and overall accuracy. Markings are those of Mayer III of the 22nd Aero Squadron. #108 Nieuport 28. Another overall accurate kit with few errors, other than crude guns and an inaccurate cockpit padding. This kit carries the markings of the 94th Aero Squadron. #109 Pfalz D.III. Pfalzes just seem collectable these days, mainly because they seem rarer than they actually are. This kit appears to be based on the Wylam plans, circa 1947 and has since been found to have the following errors: the wing tips are raked at too great and angle, the wing to fuselage joint is poor, it should have a slight concavity underneath, the angle of incidence is wrong, the fuselage is too deep ahead of the cockpit, and 1/8" too short. The tail shape is wrong. The engine could use work. The markings of Vzfw. Hehct of Jasta 10 are now known to be incorrect. Other than that, this kit is just fine. An excellent article on improving this deserving model is found in the Dec., 1976 issue of "Scale Models". #112 DeHavilland D.H.4. One of Aurora's rarest kits and, sadly enough, one of their best. Outside of a little work needed on the wingtips, the kit is basically correct. Guns and other details are a little heavy. This kit represents the early version with the Liberty engine and the curved rear deck top and has British national markings with no insignia for a squadron. (To Be Continued - it's late and that's enough typing for tonight!) Cheers, -- - Bill Shatzer bshatzer@orednet.org - "Oh, what sad times are these when passing ruffians can say 'ni' at will to old ladies." ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 02:07:23 +0000 From: "Rob " To: wwi Subject: Re: Button High Dudgeon Message-ID: <199703150912.EAA22165@newman.concentric.net> Bill wrote: > (I was kinda playing around > with something showing Cindy Crawford at the controls of a Dr. I Please, Bill! Stay on topic. Now, if it was Clara Bow (the It Girl), you might have something. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 06:32:44 EST From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Revell Nieuport XI Message-ID: <19970315.053550.13350.1.mbittner@juno.com> On Fri, 14 Mar 1997 23:32:53 -0500 Kevin Wenker writes: > Ok, I found the article in FSM. Turns out the article is about > detailing the Hobbycraft Canada 1/32nd Nieuport 17. No mention > of Revell in there at all. What do you expect from 1/48 scale > modellers? Not just the eyesight is gone. Oh, for those who > might be interested (cause it is a good detail article which can > be applied to any scale), it's the September '93 FSM. The cover > has a SH-3H Sea King helo on it. Ah, I see. If memory serves, this article is still a little suspect, because I *think* the author did not add the missing exhaust channel. However, I could be wrong. ;-) Matt mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 06:32:45 EST From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Aurora kits Message-ID: <19970315.053550.13350.2.mbittner@juno.com> On Sat, 15 Mar 1997 00:11:21 -0500 "Shelley Goodwin" writes: > I can offer some input, as I'm currently whittling the Aurora > Albatros "D.III" kit which is/was currently issued by Smer of > the Czech Republic. Not particularly accurate: the fuselage more > closely resembles a D.V, fin/rudder looks like it belongs on a > manatee, lower wings are short/raked too sharply, all flying > surfaces are thick, engine shortblock too short, tailskid > resembles a salami, machine guns look like Tiny Tim's crutches, > cockpit opening too large, raised panel lines and decal locators > are a damned nuisance. But what do you expect for a fiver? It's > a useful modelling 'exercise' and a low cost way to do > Albatrosen variant/scheme studies in 1/48th. Forgive a small scale builder's ignorance, but...wouldn't the Glencoe D.III make a good replacement fuselage? If I remember the article Rimmel wrote on "correcting" the Glencoe, the largest bone of contention on the Glencoe kit is the wing, right? Ok, you Braille Scale builders are probably laughing at me - hard - but I thought Rimmel kind of liked the Glencoe kit. Sure, there's work there, but are you guys just spoiled by Eduard, DML and Blue Max? Me thinks so. ;-) Matt mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 14:05:52 +0000 From: SOPWITH@worldnet.att.net To: wwi Subject: Re: Magazines FS: Windsock, etc... Message-ID: <19970315140546.AAB7934@LOCALNAME> At 05:29 PM 3/11/97 +0000, you wrote: >MAGAZINES F/S > > >Windsock > Single issues: V. 7 #1 & #2, V. 9 #1 > V. 10 #5 (seaplane issue), V. 11 #5 & #6 > V. 12 #1 > Volumes: V. 2-6 complete > Total issues: 37 > Price: $150 > >World War One Aero > Single issues: #92, #94, #100 > Volumes: #102-143 > #150-151 > Total issues: 46 > Price: $100 > >Cross & Cockade > Volumes: V.19 1-4 > V.20 1-4 > Total issues: 8 > Price: $30 > >Skyways > Volumes: #1-6 > Total issues: 6 > Price: $20 > >Airwars 1919-1939 > Single issue: #6 > Price: $4 > >Small Air Forces Observer > Single issues: V.1 #2 & #4, V.2 #3, V.4 #1 & #4 > V.6 #2 & #3 > Volumes: V.9 - V.20 > Total issues: 56 > Price: $100 > >All magazines are in mint condition and include paint chips where applicable. Shipping >is additional and is at the buyers choice as to method. > >Charles Stephanian >models@pacbell.net > I'll be interested in buying Windsock vol 2, Cross & Cockade both volumes. Please let me know so I can send you my check for them. Juan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 12:17:10 -0800 From: "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" To: wwi Subject: Wednesday, 14 March 1917, Raoenel Message-ID: <332B03C6.6215@host.dmsc.net> 954. Cloudy and slightly rainy in afternoon. Was badly scratched on the left wrist this morning by our lion mascot, "Whiskey". Had the wound quickly cauterized to prevent any possible poisoning. Painted a distinguishing mark on my aeroplane in p.m. Put on the tricolor, red, white, and blue in broad Chevron stripes and a large white star in the center of the top side of the fuselage. It makes a mighty neat and clear design and entirely different from the marks of the the others. We all have the Escadrille insignia on each side of our machines--the head of an American Indian Chief but each one has in addition a particular distinguishing mark so we can tell each other when we meet or pass in the air. Its a good plan. All permissions of leave were called off today for an idefinite period so it means we will have plenty of active service from now on and more than likely a heavy offensive very soon. Glad I got to Paris this last weekend before this happened. I was lucky. It surely looks now as tho war between the States and Germany is a sure thing. Even the Germans feel that way about it now and acccuse Wilson of deliberately planning the war long ago. Rain is falling heavily to night so I don't believe we shall be able to fly early to-morrow morning. We are on service then. Guns are hammering out along the lines. The flashes of their discharges are incessant to-night. Think we'll have a formidable offensive movement along this front soon. Report that the Germans have a very strong fourth line of defense running south from St Quentin called the Hinderburg line which they claim to be impenetrable. from the War Diary of E.C.C. Genet ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 12:21:02 -0800 From: "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" To: wwi Subject: Genet: markings on his Nieuport Message-ID: <332B04AE.324C@host.dmsc.net> Gents..... and Ladies! ... (yep, I've learned that there are several of the Fairer Sex on this list, including one young woman who has actually flown a number of the Grand Old Birds out of Old Rhinebeck!) Anyway-- all those interested in the markings on Genet's Nieuport be sure and catch the diary entry for 14 March where he describes them. An artist's rendition of this plane, by the way, is on the cover of the published diary. Bradley ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 10:26:54 -0600 From: phoward@abilene.com (Paul Howard) To: Subject: Re: Aurora kits Message-ID: <19970315164034.AAA14088@default> Not even close, the Glencoe fuselage is almost the correct shape on the right side, but the left side has the cross section of a D.V. Lots of super glue went into the fixing of mine. But, the good point about working in Braille Scale is that once all the work is done, someone might actually want to see it........ As to Mr. Rimell and his reviews of new kits, I'm beginning to think that he is willing to give a good review to anything that shows up in a box and says it's a WW I kit. Some of the stuff he says is good, just plain sucks! Maybe he needs to refer to some of the pictures in his own publications. I'm glad someone is publishing books on our favorite subject, but I refuse to kiss up to any company, just because at the moment they are the only game in town. Lots of the scale drawings in the Datafiles are incorrect when compared to the photos in the same book. Why is that.......? I rate kits by how they match the photos, not how they match the drawings. This is just my opinion, if yours differs that is really great. Have fun, build a model. Paul ---------- > From: mbittner@juno.com > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: Aurora kits > Date: Saturday, March 15, 1997 5:39 AM > > On Sat, 15 Mar 1997 00:11:21 -0500 "Shelley Goodwin" > writes: > > > I can offer some input, as I'm currently whittling the Aurora > > Albatros "D.III" kit which is/was currently issued by Smer of > > the Czech Republic. Not particularly accurate: the fuselage more > > closely resembles a D.V, fin/rudder looks like it belongs on a > > manatee, lower wings are short/raked too sharply, all flying > > surfaces are thick, engine shortblock too short, tailskid > > resembles a salami, machine guns look like Tiny Tim's crutches, > > cockpit opening too large, raised panel lines and decal locators > > are a damned nuisance. But what do you expect for a fiver? It's > > a useful modelling 'exercise' and a low cost way to do > > Albatrosen variant/scheme studies in 1/48th. > > Forgive a small scale builder's ignorance, but...wouldn't the > Glencoe D.III make a good replacement fuselage? If I remember > the article Rimmel wrote on "correcting" the Glencoe, the largest > bone of contention on the Glencoe kit is the wing, right? > > Ok, you Braille Scale builders are probably laughing at me - hard > - but I thought Rimmel kind of liked the Glencoe kit. Sure, > there's work there, but are you guys just spoiled by Eduard, DML > and Blue Max? Me thinks so. ;-) > > > Matt > mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 12:44:45 -0800 From: "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" To: wwi Subject: Thursday, 15 March 1917, Raoenel Message-ID: <332B0A3D.145E@host.dmsc.net> 955. Fair but very windy. Too cloudy in the early morning to permit us to go out on service. Wrote a long letter to Rivers to-day describing a good deal about French aviation and the machine in use here which he wanted to know about. Lieut De Laage went to Paris for a few days to get a new Spad. No mail has come from the States now for several days. Hope some arrives soon. American vessel, the Algonquin (2832 tons) was torpedoed and sunk by a German U-boat yesterday but no lives were lost. Went out with Willis at 3:30 this afternoon. Willis was forced to return almost immediately because of a jammed machine gun so I went on alone. Air very cold on account of high wind and nearly froze my nose again. Flew along the lines between Roye and Noyon. Went into German lines around Noyon. Saw a Boche biplace west of Noyon and got into position to attack when he peaked and went north down close to the ground. Too much risk to follow him alone so far down, so didn't go after him anymore. Many French Reglage machines in the air directing the heavy bombardment which the French are carrying on from Roye down to Lassigny. Came back at 5 o'clock with ice all around my nose and mouth. Machine ran finely and machine gun worked alright. French 1st and 3rd Armies are to commence an attack on the German lines around Lassigny and Ribecourt to-night. The artillery preparations can be heard very plainly this evening where we are. from the War Diary of E.C.C. Genet ********************************** Thursday, March 15, 1917 Left at 3:30 p.m. with Willis for a voluntary flight along the lines. Willis was forced to return before we reached the lines because of a jammed machine gun so went on without him. Flew along German lines between Roye and Ribecourt and went in over their lines at Noyon. Saw a German biplace west of Noyon and got into position to attack when we turned tail and peaked down far into his territory. As he was only about 1200 meters and peaked down I didn't follow. It's too risky to go down after an enemy to such a low altitude when one is alone and so well inside the enemy lines. Saw many French artillery reglage machines and stayed around over them south of Roye to pounce on any hostile machines which might attack them but didn't see any other Boche. French were heavily bombarding the German first and second lines and it was very interesting to watch the bursting shells. Only one shell was fired at me by a German battery near Noyon. Came back at 5 o'clock. Time: 1 hour 30 minutes Height 3000 meters from the Flight Log of E.C.C. Genet, N-124 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 13:27:40 -0800 From: models@pacbell.net To: wwi Subject: Re: Magazines FS: Windsock, etc... Message-ID: <332B144C.2D6F@pacbell.net> I want to apologize to the members of this list...I just realized that I sent out my replies to those who were interested in my magazine sale to the entire list. Total brain fade....sorry, folks! I think I got it now...... Charles Stephanian models@pacbell.net ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 467 *********************