WWI Digest 465 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: slightly off topic query by "Valenciano . Jose" 2) RE: The Pin by "Valenciano . Jose" 3) Re: Button design (fwd) by "Valenciano . Jose" 4) Re: The Button by "Valenciano . Jose" 5) Re: Nationals Idea / Silver EIII by lothar@ncw.net (mark) 6) Re: Button design (fwd) by Pedro Soares 7) Tuesday, 13 March 1917, Raoenel by "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" 8) Airfix Hannover by barrett@iplink.net (barrett) 9) Re: The Button by aew (Allan Wright) 10) Re: Airfix Hannover by hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) 11) Re: Airfix Hannover by "Shelley Goodwin" 12) Re: Airfix Hannover by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) 13) Re[2]: Airfix Hannover/Avro 504 by "Shelley Goodwin" 14) Revell Nieuport 17's by "Joseph Gentile" 15) Re[2]: Airfix Hannover by "Shelley Goodwin" 16) Re: Magazines FS: Windsock, etc... by models@pacbell.net 17) Lonestar web site address by "Shelley Goodwin" 18) Re: Lonestar web site address by hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) 19) Re: Magazines FS: Windsock, etc... by "Joseph R. Boeke" 20) Re: Pascha Albatrosen by The Shannons 21) Re[2]: Pascha Albatrosen by "Shelley Goodwin" 22) Re[2]: Lonestar web site address by "Shelley Goodwin" 23) re: Lonestar web site address by Jack Berlien 24) Re: More on the Pin by "Bill Ciciora" 25) RE: more EIII stuff by bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 26) button, button, who's got the button by bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 27) Re: slightly off topic query - Curtiss Oriole by knut.erik.hagen@login.eunet.no (Knut Erik Hagen) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 15:19:13 +0800 (GMT+0800) From: "Valenciano . Jose" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: slightly off topic query Message-ID: On Wed, 12 Mar 1997, Jim Lyzun wrote: > >What were the colors of the CURTISS ORIOLE as it left the factory? > > > The Minnesota Air National Guard built an Oriole almost from scratch several > years ago to commemorate the aircraft flown by their first CO. The aircraft > was painted in the contemporary scheme of cream-coloured (which may have > represented clear doped fabric) flying surfaces and orange fuselage. The > wheels are light-coloured and appear to be a cream shade judging by the only > photos I have in the MNANG history book. Hope this helps. Charles, Jim, and Ely, Thanks for all the feedback. For now, my scheme's going to be cream flying surfaces and wheels, orange fuselage. Charles, any new info to enhance or improve this scheme? ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 15:28:16 +0800 (GMT+0800) From: "Valenciano . Jose" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: The Pin Message-ID: On Wed, 12 Mar 1997, William B. Bacon, Jr. wrote: > Al, your idea for a business card is super. I agree! ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 15:30:05 +0800 (GMT+0800) From: "Valenciano . Jose" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Button design (fwd) Message-ID: On Wed, 12 Mar 1997, Erik wrote: > Rob, excellent pin! I'll vote for this one! As I said, this is a really nice picture. My vote stays with it. ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 15:31:46 +0800 (GMT+0800) From: "Valenciano . Jose" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: The Button Message-ID: On Wed, 12 Mar 1997, barrett wrote: > It's the right look. One question: can the title read something like "WWI > Aviation on the 'Net" rather than just "WWI on the Net"? "WWI Modelling on the 'Net" would be better I think. ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 01:37:24 -0800 (PST) From: lothar@ncw.net (mark) To: wwi Subject: Re: Nationals Idea / Silver EIII Message-ID: <199703130937.BAA15268@concord.televar.com> Bill sayeth: >Still, there are enough photos of eindeckers with the "dark" >scheme which still display the original "factory" serial numbers >to at least suggest that the "dark" scheme might be an orginal >"factory" application - after all, having overpainted the fuselage >with a "dark" color, why would anyone bother to repaint the original >"factory" serial numbers in the exact style of the original Fokker >serial numbers? A "factory" application of the "dark' color seems >more logical - and see the photo in the "Austo-Hungarian Army >Aircraft of World War One" book of the "freshly painted Fokker >03.91 (M 16) upon its arrival at the Aspern test center". While >not an Eindecker, this a/c is decidely NOT doped clear fabric. This is a good point, and I would certainly think that a lot of the "dark" Eindeckers left the factory that way, complete with original Fokker serial numbers - particularly the German ones. Perhaps this was an early use of "Fokker green"? However, would guess that the absence of said original numbers in photos of AH and Turk EIII's implies a post-factory overpainting of the original doped linen. >The suggestion of red-browns for the Turkish Eindeckers is a new >one for me but one that, on first blush, seems not illogical. >Is this your own surmise or something you've seen a reference >to someplace? Clearly though, at least _some_ of the Turkish >Eindeckers are much too dark to have been doped clear linen. Actually, this one comes from Mr. Rimmell, courtesy of the EIII Datafile. The only photo of a Turkish Eindecker in the Datafile (also appears in the Squadron In Action book, as well as the Fall '96 OTF) is of Buddecke's aircraft at Chanak Kale, on the Dardanelles. It appears quite dark in the photo, and I *think Rimmell's logic (he never really explained his reasoning, so this is a bit of a mind read) was that: a.) A red brown color would appear suitably dark in the orthochromatic film used back then. b.) It's a good camo color if you're flying over the desert. c.) Red-brown was a standard German color of aircraft paint, and would have been readily available to the Turks. OTOH, he also thinks it *could* have been a dark grey or green - but for the above reasons I lean towards red-brown; so that's the color I painted my Eduard EIII, which was just finished last week! BTW, It looks <<>> cool in this scheme... So do you have access to additional Turkish EIII photos, Bill? The one referred to above is all I've ever seen, but if there's more I'd sure like to see them... >Ah, a "ponderable", fer sure. No one said this was supposed to >be easy. If we wanted "easy", we'd all be doing P 51's, right? Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 10:13:52 +0000 From: Pedro Soares To: wwi Subject: Re: Button design (fwd) Message-ID: <3327D360.3E4B@anaep.pt> Allan Wright wrote: > Rob, > > I put the image up on the News, news, NEWS! section of the WWW page so > the rest of the list could get a look. We'll find a more permanent home for > it when we get a final draft decided on. > > -Al > Hi Guys. I don't think that I'll ever be able to attend one of the great modelling conventions/exhibitions/contests, that you have on the epicentre of this most interesting mailing list. But you can count on me: I'll wear that pin even while sleeping. Great work Rob. Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 07:47:59 -0800 From: "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" To: wwi Subject: Tuesday, 13 March 1917, Raoenel Message-ID: <332821AF.60C7@host.dmsc.net> Cloudy but now windy. No one went out in the morning but several made a low flight over the lines in the early afternoon and the rest of us were in readiness to go later but didn't. Was given Johnson's Nieuport for my own as he is to have a new Spad. Tried it out over the field for twenty minutes in p.m. and found it in fine running order. Am glad to have another machine of my own again and hope I don't smash it up like I did the old one. Wilson has ordered military crews to man the guns on U.S. merchant vessels. Heard rather indefinately to-day that there are commissions as officers in the U.S. Naval Aviation Corps awaiting us all should war be declared and that we will be held over here just as we are now with the French. If that is so will I be included on account of my rotten Naval record? Major Parker said the other day that he thought I could get cleared of that alright in case of war. God grant so! Wrote to Helen Harper. She'll probably be back by Easter which is the end of this month. Rec'd a letter from dear old Dave Wheeler who is at last in England with his wife and with a sort of temporary appointment as doctor in an English hospital there but he hopes it will lead to either a British or a French surgical commission. I sure hope that he does get over on this side of the Channel mighty soon. Enormous number of troops and artillery moving into this sector today. Attack coming soon. from the War Diary of E.C.C. Genet ********************************* Tuesday, March 13, 1917 Went up for 20 minutes in new machine given me--Johnson's old one, Nieuport--which is now mine. Tried it out over the field and found motor in fine condition. from the Flight Log of E.C.C. Genet, N-124 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 08:24:23 -0500 From: barrett@iplink.net (barrett) To: wwi Subject: Airfix Hannover Message-ID: To The List: Apparently, Airfix had a 1/72 scale Hannover Cl III available sometime in the past. Has anyone ever seen or built this kit? Impressions? None of the catalogs I have access to list it, while John Roll says it's no longer available. I wonder if they'll reissue? Kevin. By the way, thanks to the list members who helped me out three weeks ago regarding the application of Fok. D VII lozenge. I used AeroMaster and was very happy with the results (don't know how accurate the colours are, but the decals went down nicely). After pitching the ESCI decals that came with the kit, I used Pegasus crosses. The decal setting solution came from a 10 year-old bottle of Micro Sol. The result is a stunning piece that I'm very happy with. Many thanks again. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 08:41:45 -0500 (EST) From: aew (Allan Wright) To: wwi Subject: Re: The Button Message-ID: <199703131341.IAA21355@pease1.sr.unh.edu> > It's the right look. One question: can the title read something like "WWI > Aviation on the 'Net" rather than just "WWI on the Net"? I know that the > image shows planes, but there's nothing like clarity. Actually this is NOT an avaition-only list. It just seems that way most of the time. The list is open to all WWI modeling subjects: Aircraft, vehicles, figures, ships/subs, airships, etc. WWI on the 'Net or WWI Modeling on the 'Net are both acceptable to me. -Al =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | You fell victim to one of the 'classic' blunders! University of New Hampshire+--------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 09:35:22 -0700 From: hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) To: wwi Subject: Re: Airfix Hannover Message-ID: Kevin writes: >To The List: > >Apparently, Airfix had a 1/72 scale Hannover Cl III available sometime in >the past. Has anyone ever seen or built this kit? Impressions? None of the >catalogs I have access to list it, while John Roll says it's no longer >available. I wonder if they'll reissue? > This kit was first produced in the mid 1960's, I'm old enough to remember it first being released. It is a nice kit, but I haven't laid one out over drawings to check its accuracy. A copy of the Datafile on this a/c is very useful when building this kit, unfortunately, its out of print and not yet reprinted. Given that the other 1/72 Airfix WW I kits are being WITHDRAWN from production for 1997, the Hannover and possibly the AVRO 504K will probably not be put into production. The Hannover was in the catalog for a while, perhaps two (?) years ago, but I haven't seen a new one on the shelf in quite a while. Time to check out flea markets and swap meets. Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 97 08:39:10 PST From: "Shelley Goodwin" To: wwi Subject: Re: Airfix Hannover Message-ID: <9702138582.AA858271330@mx.Ricochet.net> Kevin, This was arguably one of Airfix's best, and certainly one of their most interesting subjects. If memory serves(I built one in my teens), the engine could use a bit more detail. Unfortunately, I haven't seen one in a shop for a couple years or more. Your options at this point are: Swap meets, flea markets, antique stores, conventions Kit Collector's Clearinghouse (this can be pricey) Marco's Miniatures (ditto) APC Hobbies (804) 973 2705 Collect-Aire Models (508) 688 7283 Dean's Hobby Stop (810) 659 2137 Kit Bunker (904) 399 1911 Also, check the ads in the back of Fine Scale Modeler. HTH, Riordan ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Airfix Hannover Author: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu at Internet Date: 3/13/97 4:17 AM To The List: Apparently, Airfix had a 1/72 scale Hannover Cl III available sometime in the past. Has anyone ever seen or built this kit? Impressions? None of the catalogs I have access to list it, while John Roll says it's no longer available. I wonder if they'll reissue? Kevin. By the way, thanks to the list members who helped me out three weeks ago regarding the application of Fok. D VII lozenge. I used AeroMaster and was very happy with the results (don't know how accurate the colours are, but the decals went down nicely). After pitching the ESCI decals that came with the kit, I used Pegasus crosses. The decal setting solution came from a 10 year-old bottle of Micro Sol. The result is a stunning piece that I'm very happy with. Many thanks again. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 08:46:01 -0800 From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer) To: wwi Subject: Re: Airfix Hannover Message-ID: <199703131646.AA05496@ednet1.orednet.org> Kevin wrote: >To The List: > >Apparently, Airfix had a 1/72 scale Hannover Cl III available sometime in >the past. Has anyone ever seen or built this kit? Impressions? None of the >catalogs I have access to list it, while John Roll says it's no longer >available. I wonder if they'll reissue? A pretty nice kit - certainly one of Airfix's better efforts and far superior to their pitiful attempts on the Dr.I and Camel kits. If I remember correctly, there are a few minor outline errors which are fixable and getting the upper wing assembly "just right" is a little "fiddley" but that may have been the fault of my ham-handedness rather than the kit's fault. I've still got a few of these kits laying around and, as the ol' bifocals have restricted 1/72 kit construction as of late, I'd be willing to sell ya' one if you are interested in building it. Say, $8 plus the shipping. Lemme know if you're interested. Cheers, -- - Bill Shatzer bshatzer@orednet.org - "Oh, what sad times are these when passing ruffians can say 'ni' at will to old ladies." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 97 08:51:59 PST From: "Shelley Goodwin" To: wwi Subject: Re[2]: Airfix Hannover/Avro 504 Message-ID: <9702138582.AA858272050@mx.Ricochet.net> If anyone wants an Airfix AVRO 504K, I have one for swap. Looking for ESCI or Revell Nieuport or D.VII, Smer/Monogram D.VII or SPAD OBO. Riordan ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Airfix Hannover Author: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu at Internet Date: 3/13/97 8:31 AM Kevin writes: >To The List: > >Apparently, Airfix had a 1/72 scale Hannover Cl III available sometime in >the past. Has anyone ever seen or built this kit? Impressions? None of the >catalogs I have access to list it, while John Roll says it's no longer >available. I wonder if they'll reissue? > This kit was first produced in the mid 1960's, I'm old enough to remember it first being released. It is a nice kit, but I haven't laid one out over drawings to check its accuracy. A copy of the Datafile on this a/c is very useful when building this kit, unfortunately, its out of print and not yet reprinted. Given that the other 1/72 Airfix WW I kits are being WITHDRAWN from production for 1997, the Hannover and possibly the AVRO 504K will probably not be put into production. The Hannover was in the catalog for a while, perhaps two (?) years ago, but I haven't seen a new one on the shelf in quite a while. Time to check out flea markets and swap meets. Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 11:19:58 -0600 From: "Joseph Gentile" To: Subject: Revell Nieuport 17's Message-ID: <199703131733.LAA12493@Walden.MO.NET> Riordan et al., I noticed that Lone Star Models has listed the 1/72 Revell Nie 17's and 11's in their catalog at $3.00 & $5.00 repectively. They are on the web, though I do not remember the address. HTH, Joe ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 97 09:16:36 PST From: "Shelley Goodwin" To: wwi Subject: Re[2]: Airfix Hannover Message-ID: <9702138582.AA858273500@mx.Ricochet.net> Bill, I would definitely be interested in one of your Hannoveren, however, it might be a bit before I can get a check to you. If you could put one aside for me, I would appreciate it, but if you want to unload 'em, that's fine. YT, Riordan ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Airfix Hannover Author: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu at Internet Date: 3/13/97 8:47 AM Kevin wrote: >To The List: > >Apparently, Airfix had a 1/72 scale Hannover Cl III available sometime in >the past. Has anyone ever seen or built this kit? Impressions? None of the >catalogs I have access to list it, while John Roll says it's no longer >available. I wonder if they'll reissue? A pretty nice kit - certainly one of Airfix's better efforts and far superior to their pitiful attempts on the Dr.I and Camel kits. If I remember correctly, there are a few minor outline errors which are fixable and getting the upper wing assembly "just right" is a little "fiddley" but that may have been the fault of my ham-handedness rather than the kit's fault. I've still got a few of these kits laying around and, as the ol' bifocals have restricted 1/72 kit construction as of late, I'd be willing to sell ya' one if you are interested in building it. Say, $8 plus the shipping. Lemme know if you're interested. Cheers, -- - Bill Shatzer bshatzer@orednet.org - "Oh, what sad times are these when passing ruffians can say 'ni' at will to old ladies." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 09:52:38 -0800 From: models@pacbell.net To: wwi Subject: Re: Magazines FS: Windsock, etc... Message-ID: <33283EE6.8AF@pacbell.net> Jim, Thanks for your reply. I would like to try and find a buyer for all of the S.A.F.O. However, if I don't get an offer for the whole batch...I would definitely consider selling you just the issues you are interested in. Let me give it a few more days and then I'll get back to you, one way or another. I hope that's acceptable to you. Thanks, again, for your interest. Charles Stephanian models@pacbell.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 97 10:07:00 PST From: "Shelley Goodwin" To: wwi Subject: Lonestar web site address Message-ID: <9702138582.AA858276610@mx.Ricochet.net> Anyone? Riordan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 11:34:44 -0700 From: hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) To: wwi Subject: Re: Lonestar web site address Message-ID: > Anyone? > > Riordan http://www.lonestarmodels.com/lsmair.htm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 13:31:35 -0500 From: "Joseph R. Boeke" To: wwi Subject: Re: Magazines FS: Windsock, etc... Message-ID: <9703131831.AD31812@mail.bucknell.edu> At 12:58 PM 3/13/97 -0500, you wrote: >Thanks for your reply. I would like to try and find a buyer for all of >the S.A.F.O. However, if I don't get an offer for the whole batch...I >would definitely consider selling you just the issues you are interested >in. Let me give it a few more days and then I'll get back to you, one >way or another. I hope that's acceptable to you. Charles thanks for your note. Do you mean all of the magazines & stuff together or just all of the Windsocks? If you mean just all of the Windsocks, I am interested in purchasing the whole lot (I can always trade away any duplicates that I get). If you mean the former, I will be happy to wait (my wife probably would die if I told her I was going to spend $500 on books :) - Joe +=================================+====================================+ | Joseph R. Boeke | Knowledge will forever govern | | Manager, Prospect Information | ignorance; and a people who mean | | Bucknell University | to be their own governors must arm | | (717) 524-3200 | themselves with the power which | | (717) 524-3610 (fax) | knowledge gives. | | boeke@bucknell.edu | -- James Madison | +=================================+====================================+ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 13:07:21 -0600 From: The Shannons To: wwi Subject: Re: Pascha Albatrosen Message-ID: <33285069.7C2F@ix.netcom.com> Shelley Goodwin wrote: > > Having finally bagged a couple of Smer Albatraii 'Trop', I'm now > perusing my meager refs on Palestine species. From C&C and an > unspecified source, it seems that some D.IIIs (such as D.636/17) may > have been feldgrau overall with natural linen or light blue > undersurfaces. Some DVs with late markings (such as D.5359) on the > other hand are seen sporting either dark varnished or red-brown > fuselages with standard grau cowling, covers, louvers, etc. > Anyone with photo refs of Macedonian Alb.s? > Mark et al, you are all welcome to chime in on this. > > Riordan > > Not sure if this has everything you are looking for, but the Vol. 21, No. 1, 1990 issue of Cross and Cockade International Journal has the articles "Feasting on a Dodo" by Stephen T. Lawson, that discusses Austro-Hungarian built Albatros D.III 153.16 and the article "Skies Over the Holy Land" by Peter F.G. Wright about the British aircraft there -- it does bring up some of the points about Turkish Albatri, including a good picture from three-quarter view of a captured DVa with two radiators and rib tape clearly lineated. (Unfortunately, contrast is a bit on the low side.) Another DVa is shown in British markings after capture, and a picture shows the connection of the dual radiators to the engine block. As a side note, this issue also has an errata list on the S/S "Fokker DrI in Action" in its review. I'm afraid the magazine is just too chock full to really offer copies, but the local hobby store (King's Hobby in Austin, TX) does have a few more, I think, in its backissues. -- This has been Mark and/or Mary Shannon at Shingend@ix.netcom.com History manages to get away with cliches no novelist could. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 97 13:17:20 PST From: "Shelley Goodwin" To: wwi Subject: Re[2]: Pascha Albatrosen Message-ID: <9702138582.AA858288130@mx.Ricochet.net> Mark, What's the price of C&C backissues in yer neck 'o' the woods? Riordan ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Pascha Albatrosen Author: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu at Internet Date: 3/13/97 11:06 AM Shelley Goodwin wrote: > > Having finally bagged a couple of Smer Albatraii 'Trop', I'm now > perusing my meager refs on Palestine species. From C&C and an > unspecified source, it seems that some D.IIIs (such as D.636/17) may > have been feldgrau overall with natural linen or light blue > undersurfaces. Some DVs with late markings (such as D.5359) on the > other hand are seen sporting either dark varnished or red-brown > fuselages with standard grau cowling, covers, louvers, etc. > Anyone with photo refs of Macedonian Alb.s? > Mark et al, you are all welcome to chime in on this. > > Riordan > > Not sure if this has everything you are looking for, but the Vol. 21, No. 1, 1990 issue of Cross and Cockade International Journal has the articles "Feasting on a Dodo" by Stephen T. Lawson, that discusses Austro-Hungarian built Albatros D.III 153.16 and the article "Skies Over the Holy Land" by Peter F.G. Wright about the British aircraft there -- it does bring up some of the points about Turkish Albatri, including a good picture from three-quarter view of a captured DVa with two radiators and rib tape clearly lineated. (Unfortunately, contrast is a bit on the low side.) Another DVa is shown in British markings after capture, and a picture shows the connection of the dual radiators to the engine block. As a side note, this issue also has an errata list on the S/S "Fokker DrI in Action" in its review. I'm afraid the magazine is just too chock full to really offer copies, but the local hobby store (King's Hobby in Austin, TX) does have a few more, I think, in its backissues. -- This has been Mark and/or Mary Shannon at Shingend@ix.netcom.com History manages to get away with cliches no novelist could. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 97 13:18:41 PST From: "Shelley Goodwin" To: wwi Subject: Re[2]: Lonestar web site address Message-ID: <9702138582.AA858288140@mx.Ricochet.net> To whom it may concern, Thanks! Riordan ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Lonestar web site address Author: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu at Internet Date: 3/13/97 10:30 AM > Anyone? > > Riordan http://www.lonestarmodels.com/lsmair.htm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 15:40:50 -0800 From: Jack Berlien To: wwi Subject: re: Lonestar web site address Message-ID: Lonestar's web address is: http://www.lonestarmodels.com/ Best regards, Jack ------------------ Original text From: "Shelley Goodwin" , on 3/13/97 1:15 PM: Anyone? Riordan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 16:12:57 -0600 From: "Bill Ciciora" To: Subject: Re: More on the Pin Message-ID: Scott wrote: > it seems that the idea ought to work for all of our model > contests, not just nationals. I agree. Certainly an initial order for a minimum of 100 pins would not be too costly, and the person doing the ordering would be able to recoup the initial investment in short order. I'd be willing to investigate getting the pins done if no one else has already started the process. I really like the Annunzio graphic! Bill C. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 18:36:41 -0500 From: bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: more EIII stuff Message-ID: <199703132336.SAA23251@pease1.sr.unh.edu> At 11:47 PM 3/12/97 -0500, Shane Weier wrote: > >In any case - an experimental finish to evaluate loz cam, predating the >arrival of printed loz fabric. > >Anyone got the datafile to check my memory. Anyone want to do my work >this afternoon so I can go home and check for myself? Wait a minute! Weren't you the one trying to get us to mow your lawn a month ago???? Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 18:45:03 -0500 From: bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: button, button, who's got the button Message-ID: <199703132345.SAA23336@pease1.sr.unh.edu> Rob My server was down again. I just got a chance to look at the pin. GREAT! Did you mention the colors or will it be b&w. Although I won't be at nationals, sign me up for 2 pins, one for myself and one for my friend who is slowly getting into Italian aviation! Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 01:14:09 +0100 (MET) From: knut.erik.hagen@login.eunet.no (Knut Erik Hagen) To: wwi Subject: Re: slightly off topic query - Curtiss Oriole Message-ID: <199703140014.BAA09173@login.eunet.no> Gentlemen, I have some notes on the Curtiss Oriole, one of my current research projects is on flying in the Arctic, especially to the Spitzbergen Islands. At least two expeditions used Orioles. Roald Amundsen brought one with him in 1923 to Northern Alaska onboard the Maud. It was not up to the rigors of the conditions, crashing on its third flight there. Appears to have a dark wooden fuselage (almost like mahogney), very light coloured flying surfaces, the red of the Norwegian markings is a lot darker. Norwegian national markings as on military aircraft on wings and rudder. Black fittings and walkway on the port wing. The name Kristine painted on the fuselage on a field in a contrasting colour. (Kristine Elisabeth was Amundsens mistress - his Junkers JL6 was named Elisabeth.) When Byrd set out to fly his Fokker trimotor Josephine Ford from Spitzbergen to the North Pole in 1926, he brought with him an Oriole as a hack. It did also crash after a few flights. The pictures I have show the same basic colours as above, but no registration, name or national markings visible. It looks like a nice little plane, do anyone know of a kit in Mad Norseman Scale? I have the article on the MNANG Oriole from WW1 Aero, but otherwise I have seen very little in print on the Orioles. If there is someone else out there with an interest in Arctic flights, please send me an Email. I have a lot of material on Norwegian flights, but there were many other flights and even more attempts which I want to document. CB: Eduards Sopwith Baby (1/48) Knut Erik ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- >> >What were the colors of the CURTISS ORIOLE as it left the factory? >> The Minnesota Air National Guard built an Oriole almost from scratch several >> years ago to commemorate the aircraft flown by their first CO. The aircraft >> was painted in the contemporary scheme of cream-coloured (which may have >> represented clear doped fabric) flying surfaces and orange fuselage. The >> wheels are light-coloured and appear to be a cream shade judging by the only >> photos I have in the MNANG history book. Hope this helps. > >Charles, Jim, and Ely, > >Thanks for all the feedback. For now, my scheme's going to be cream flying >surfaces and wheels, orange fuselage. Charles, any new info to enhance or >improve this scheme? ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 465 *********************