WWI Digest 462 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: I'm back by Pedro Soares 2) Re: Nationals Idea / Silver EIII by THENRYS@aol.com 3) Re: I'm back by aew (Allan Wright) 4) RE: TV show by "William B. Bacon, Jr." 5) RE: Chandelle vol. 2 # 1 by "William B. Bacon, Jr." 6) Re: Nationals Idea by Franco Poloni 7) Felixtowe by Franco Poloni 8) RE: USAS Questions, part deux by "William B. Bacon, Jr." 9) Re: Nationals Idea by "Valenciano . Jose" 10) Saturday, 10 March 1917, Paris by "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" 11) Re: Felixtowe by mbittner@juno.com 12) Re: USAS Questions, part deux by mbittner@juno.com 13) Re: Nationals Idea by mbittner@juno.com 14) Re: USAS Questions by mbittner@juno.com 15) Aeroplane Books by Alberto Rada 16) Re: Starting The Library by bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 17) Atlantic Coast Chapter, Spring Meeting by ilyam@pipeline.com (Carl J. Bobrow) 18) Re: Nationals Idea by bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) 19) FYI by Carlos Valdes 20) Re: Nationals Idea by "huggins@onramp.net" 21) Nieuport 28 marking by "William B. Bacon, Jr." ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 15:24:24 +0000 From: Pedro Soares To: wwi Subject: Re: I'm back Message-ID: <332427A8.4B36@anaep.pt> Allan Wright wrote: > That would be fine, but I could also scan your prints and return them thus > preventing you from having to send the negatives. You can ask the other > members of the list. I DO return prints after they're scanned. I usually > get things scanned relatively quickly unless work interferes. Al, of course I know you'd return the negs. I was only joking. Hope you didn't take it seriously. Anyway, 2 reasons for sending the negs: 1 - you could have a printed copy of them for you 2 - much cheapper mail rates than for sending 70 photographs. but if you prefer having the photos just let me know. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 12:15:11 -0500 (EST) From: THENRYS@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Nationals Idea / Silver EIII Message-ID: <970310121508_686571852@emout11.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 97-03-09 12:22:15 EST, mbittner@juno.com wrote : << > If a suitable image about 1.75 inches in diameter could be > decided on, I could come up with the Badge-a-minute materials > and make some. They could be picked up at my booth in Columbus, > or we can work out some type of mailing system. The badges are > your garden variety that are about 2.25 in in diameter. So far the suggestions have been the Camel .jpg on the web page; somebody shooting down a ballon; and somebody else dropping leaflets. If John is really serious about making these up (which I hope he is) I would vote for the Camel, just due to size, cost, and how quick we can get these things out. Now, I realise that those who don't dabble in RFC (sorry, Steve ;-)) wouldn't like the Camel idea, but it's something. Also, I believe Al suggested (which was a good one) putting the URL underneath the Camel. If it's not the Camel, I still like Al's idea about putting the URL on whatever we come up with. That will direct others attention to *the best* modeling site on the web. Unbiased opinions aside, of course. ;-) >> This seems the best solution, with the buttons being preordered and we just pick them up at the show. Definitely count me in. Todd Henry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 12:31:34 -0500 (EST) From: aew (Allan Wright) To: wwi Subject: Re: I'm back Message-ID: <199703101731.MAA10594@pease1.sr.unh.edu> > > That would be fine, but I could also scan your prints and return them thus > > preventing you from having to send the negatives. You can ask the other > > members of the list. I DO return prints after they're scanned. I usually > > get things scanned relatively quickly unless work interferes. > > Al, of course I know you'd return the negs. I was only joking. Hope you > didn't take it seriously. No of course not! > Anyway, 2 reasons for sending the negs: > 1 - you could have a printed copy of them for you Once I scan them in I really don't have much use for the photos, but I could keep them in an album I guess - that WOULD be nice. > 2 - much cheapper mail rates than for sending 70 photographs. This makes sence - I forgot you're over the pond and airmail is expensive. Sure, send the negatives. I'll get prints done and probably have the photo lab make a photo CD of them. That'll save me the trouble of scanning them in. -Al =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | You fell victim to one of the 'classic' blunders! University of New Hampshire+--------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 14:32:31 -0600 From: "William B. Bacon, Jr." To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: TV show Message-ID: <01BC2D5F.F60B25C0@NJ095.NETJAVA.NET> ------ =_NextPart_000_01BC2D5F.F60B25C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Michel, Glad to send you a copy of the three TV Shows requested. Need your snail mail address and wil have it in the mail next week. Cheers, Bill Bill Bacon wbacon@netjava.net ---------- From: Michel LEFORT Sent: Friday, March 07, 1997 11:08 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: TV show On Fri, 7 Mar 1997 10:35:05 -0500, you wrote: >Guys, > Did anyone out there watch the three-part series on the = Discovery >Channel this past Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday at 10:00 eastern? I = missed >the first one one fighters but caught the other ones on bombers and = attack >aircrat, respectively. Each program attempted to come up with the best >aircraft in each category as chosen by a "panel of experts," the planes >being divided into six eras.=20 > The first era, 1910-1925, really covered only "our" war and = included >some nice film clips and intervews with two authorities: Peter Grosz and= our >own Peter Kilduff (of course, there were no pilots left to interview, = unlike >in the other eras). German a/c won the "best" award in this area in the = two >shows I caught; ay guesses as to which ones? the good news is that the >programs are available for purchase; the even beter news is that they = will >be repeated back-to-back the 9th staring at one pm eastern. They're >certainly worth watching, in spite of the slightly overwrought narration= style. > Carlos Who could record that for me? I know that it would be NTSC standard, but I have a friend who can make occasional standard conversions. 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Bacon, Jr." To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Chandelle vol. 2 # 1 Message-ID: <01BC2D62.74028B60@NJ095.NETJAVA.NET> ------ =_NextPart_000_01BC2D62.74028B60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Rob, Latest issue of Chandelle is outstanding. Great information and greatly appreciated. Bill Bill Bacon wbacon@netjava.net ---------- From: Rob Sent: Thursday, March 06, 1997 1:11 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Chandelle vol. 2 # 1 The long-promised all-WW1 issue of Chandelle is now on-line at . It features the list's own Riordan on the Rumpler G Types, the conclusion to our feature on the Hanriot HD fighters, a piece on Plan 1919, a pictorial on Bolshevik fighters, and a modeler's how-to on scratchbuilding liquid-cooled engines. All articles are extensively illustrated (the pictures even include a couple of tanks for those who prefer agricultural vehicles to airplanes). 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Jose" > writes: > > > >So come on, people, vote for your favorite idea. Although the >jacket is a good idea, I don't think it's economically feasible. >I have no idea how many numbers of jackets it takes to reach an >affordable price. > > >Matt >mbittner@juno.com > > I vote for D'annunzio and la Serenissima over Vienna. togheter with the url of the list, of course. But anything the group choose it's ok for me. Just a question: if somebody decide to produce it, how could I get it? you know, Italy is quite far from yours Nationals. Maybe some good-harted could send it to me??naturally I will pay. I'm really looking forward of going to Italian Nationals with that pin or button, I think that lot of guys I know will envy me. cheers ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 21:47:19 GMT From: Franco Poloni To: wwi Subject: Felixtowe Message-ID: <199703102147.VAA10688@lo.itline.it> Hi group some days ago someone was talking about the Felixtowe, maybe Francois, and I remember that this a/c was covered by an old issue of Windsock Int. can you tell me exactly whic issue was, and some brief description of the article? thanks Franco ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 14:45:31 -0600 From: "William B. Bacon, Jr." To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: USAS Questions, part deux Message-ID: <01BC2D61.B4E33CC0@NJ095.NETJAVA.NET> ------ =_NextPart_000_01BC2D61.B4E33CC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Matt, C&C US Vol 5 No 2 shows black and white checkerboard (three rows at 45 = degree angle. Right side trailing edge 5 ribs to the right of the left = alieron, leading edge aligned with innermost alieron rib. Please note = that this is not the same as Knight's painting on the cover of the Spad = 13 Datafile. I will enclose a copy of the C&C page with 27th info. = What decals are you using? MicroScale or its new name have a munchkin = scale sheet with these and other stripes. Cheer, Bill Bill Bacon wbacon@netjava.net ---------- From: mbittner@juno.com Sent: Monday, March 10, 1997 6:50 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: USAS Questions, part deux Some additional parts of the first question: what rib(s) does the checkboard lie on? If it's 45 degrees, what rib does it start on, and which does it end on? TIA, Again. 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Jose" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Nationals Idea Message-ID: On Mon, 10 Mar 1997, Franco Poloni wrote: > I vote for D'annunzio and la Serenissima over Vienna. > togheter with the url of the list, of course. > But anything the group choose it's ok for me. I don't know if I officially voted yet so here it is: 1st choice: D'Annunzio (nice painting) 2nd choice: Balloon buster (anyone have a photo in mind?) 3rd choice: Camel (If the pin will be small, this would be the best choice, nice and simple) ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 20:59:14 -0800 From: "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" To: wwi Subject: Saturday, 10 March 1917, Paris Message-ID: <3324E6A2.64E0@host.dmsc.net> 950. Rather misty cloudy day. Up fairly early after a decent nights sleep in a comfortable bed. Went down town to do some shopping. Took out another years subscription to the Cosmopolitan. Met "Ted" Parsons and MacConnell at the Equitable and saw Mr Slade. Went to get the package of tobacco sent by Cooper which was in "Consigne" at the Gare de Nord but found 12 francs duty had to be paid on it so gave up in disgust. Luncheon at hotel with Mrs Parker. Looked up Cousin Hugh at the A.A. headquarters and found he is out with a section at the front. Sorry I've missed seeing him. Called on Mrs Harper afterwards and found Raymond there on furlough. Will dine there to-morrow evening. Major Parker back from a visit to the Champagne front in late p.m. with very interesting tales of the attacks there these last few days. Stayed in with them in evening. Delpuech, one of the Americans who I knew in the Legion, called on Mrs Parker in p.m. Mighty glad to see him. from the War Diary of E.C.C. Genet ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 20:39:28 EST From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Felixtowe Message-ID: <19970310.194216.13470.2.mbittner@juno.com> On Mon, 10 Mar 1997 15:55:06 -0500 Franco Poloni writes: > Hi group some days ago someone was talking about the Felixtowe, > maybe Francois, and I remember that this a/c was covered by an > old issue of Windsock Int. can you tell me exactly whic issue > was, and some brief description of the article? I show the following references for the Felixstowe F.2A: C&CI, Vol 21 No 2; Vol 21 No 4 OtF, Vol 9 No 2 Scale Models, Dec 1977 Windsock, Vol 7 No 2; Vol 7 No 3; Vol 9 No 6 WW1 Aero, #109 (Cockpits & Instruments) The Vol 7 issues of Windsock has your drawings in them. It's a two part article that - if I had the kit - I would consider essential. HTH Matt mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 20:39:28 EST From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: USAS Questions, part deux Message-ID: <19970310.194216.13470.3.mbittner@juno.com> On Mon, 10 Mar 1997 16:00:18 -0500 "William B. Bacon, Jr." writes: > C&C US Vol 5 No 2 shows black and white checkerboard (three rows > at 45 degree angle. Right side trailing edge 5 ribs to the > right of the left alieron, leading edge aligned with innermost > alieron rib. Please note that this is not the same as Knight's > painting on the cover of the Spad 13 Datafile. I will enclose a > copy of the C&C page with 27th info. What decals are you using? > MicroScale or its new name have a munchkin scale sheet with > these and other stripes. Thanks for the info, Bill. I know you've got the references there, and I do *not* doubt you for a minute; however, I find it strange that the checks are at an angle. Just goes to show you you *do* learn something new everyday. I am using the SuperScale (ex-Microscale) decals. Unfortunately for the majority of the sheet, the squadron emblems are off register. Fortunately for the Nie.28 I'm building, the 27th Aero Eagle emblem is practically spot on. However, the SuperScale USAS roundels suck, suck, suck, suck, suck. They are terrible. Not only horribly off register, but way too bright. That's why I have to wait for Americal - and pray they're not off register as well. ;-) Matt mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 20:39:29 EST From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Nationals Idea Message-ID: <19970310.194216.13470.5.mbittner@juno.com> On Mon, 10 Mar 1997 15:54:56 -0500 Franco Poloni writes: > I vote for D'annunzio and la Serenissima over Vienna. togheter > with the url of the list, of course. But anything the group > choose it's ok for me. Just a question: if somebody decide to > produce it, how could I get it? you know, Italy is quite far > from yours Nationals. Maybe some good-harted could send it to > me??naturally I will pay. I'm really looking forward of going > to Italian Nationals with that pin or button, I think that lot > of guys I know will envy me. The idea is that everybody has a chance to get one, regardless if they show up at the US IPMS Nationals. If John decides to take this on, then I do not mind becoming the central "clearing house", and send them out to the members who do not want to wait for them; or can't attend. However, be aware that this would not be a "freebee". My intention - if not already said - would be to make something easy and relatively inexpensive so all of us on the list can *afford* it. Which was why I'm against the jacket idea. So, unless someone has a lot of money they're willing to lose, we would buy our own list "trinket". Now, I hope I haven't driven anybody away. Matt mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 20:39:27 EST From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: USAS Questions Message-ID: <19970310.194216.13470.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Mon, 10 Mar 1997 11:10:22 -0500 "William B. Bacon, Jr." writes: > Have the info you want on the 27th and will copy for you in next > couple of days. Will look up location of checkerboard and post > it later today. Glad I could help. Thanks, Bill. If you ever need anything that I can supply, let me know. Matt mbittner@juno.com PS Bill, and others who have Microsoft Exchange; tacked at the end of your messages is a bunch of uuencoded "junk" that only Exchange can understand. When you're on digest, it's a lot to wade through. I know it can be turned off; unfortunately, I don't know how to do it. It's entirely up to you, but at the sake of "bandwidth", you might want to consider turning it off. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 22:58:59 -0400 (AST) From: Alberto Rada To: wwi Subject: Aeroplane Books Message-ID: <199703110258.WAA05212@fw.true.net> Those who know it, will agree that, Aeroplane Books is one of the finest and nicest sources of books on the subject, and it was really nice to find them on the web at: www.aeroplanebooks.com SALUDOS ALBERTO ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 22:25:31 -0500 From: bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Starting The Library Message-ID: <199703110325.WAA12491@pease1.sr.unh.edu> At 03:53 PM 3/9/97 -0500, barrett wrote: > >2) "Aces and Aircraft of World War I." Published 1981 by Blandford Press. >This is an "oversized" hardbound, 9 1/2" x 12", 144 pages. It covers 29 >pilots of all nationalities with bios, paintings of the pilots, their >uniforms, insignia, and nice, large colour plates of their aircraft. A >snappy volume, light reading, and colour plates of interesting aircraft >like Boelcke's Fokker DIII biplane, Ball's Bristol Scout, Brumowski's >Brandenburg DI, and Smirnoff's Morane-Soaulier Type N. The book also covers >several Canadians - so that's a bonus, in my view! Kevin This is one of my favorites also. O keep it in the office for light reading while a jury is out deliberating. I particularly like the color pictures of the airplanes. Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 22:37:32 -0500 (EST) From: ilyam@pipeline.com (Carl J. Bobrow) To: wwi Subject: Atlantic Coast Chapter, Spring Meeting Message-ID: Date: 03 Mar 97 22:33:08 EST From: "Louis E. Della Torre, Jr" <71505.1421@CompuServe.COM> To: "Carl J. Bobrow" Subject: Re: Atlantic Coast Chapter, Spring Meeting The Spring meeting of the Atlantic Coast Chapter of the League of World War I Aviation Historians will be held at the Comfort Inn & Suites, 9020 Baltimore Blvd., College Park, Maryland on Saturday, April 19, 1997, beginning at 10am. The morning session will feature a presentation by Tom Dietz, Associate Curator of the National Air and Space Museum on World War I Aircraft Armament. In the afternoon session our own Augie Blume will address us on a Mystery Topic. (You'll have to attend the meeting to find out what it is.) In addition, there will be the all important Works-in-Progress aka Show & Tell followed by a short business meeting. Unfortunately, it will not be possible to reserve a block of rooms for the membership. The Comfort Inn's cut-off date was one month before the meeting. Realistically, that would not allow enough time to make reservations. Members planning to attend are urged to make individual reservations as soon as possible, since there is no guarantee that accommodations will be available. (However, there are other motels in the vicinity.) About the Speakers: Tom Dietz: A lifelong aviation enthusiast and aircraft modeler, Tom Dietz's first professional association with aviation came when he served in the U.S. Navy and Naval Reserve from 1979 to 1985 as an aviation electronics technician. After the active duty portion of his naval service, he attended the University of Virginia, Charlottesville, from which he graduated with a Bachelor's Degree in history in 1987. He joined the staff of the NASM's Aeronautics Department in the same year as part of the curatorial team for "Legend, Memory, and the Great War in the Air," the museum's new World War I aviation exhibit. Since then, Tom has co-curated exhibits ranging from naval aviation during the Cold War to exhibits on World War II air power, including "The Republic P-47 Thunderbolt" and "Wonder Weapon?--The Arado Ar 234," including an exhibit commemorating the fiftieth anniversary of the U.S. Air Force. His credits include an exhibit catalog for "Legend, Memory, and the Great War in the Air," co-authored with the gallery's other curators in 1992. His first monograph, "On Miniature Wings-- Model Aircraft of the National Air and Space Museum," was published by Thomasson-Grant in November 1995. Tom currently serves as an associate curator responsible for the museum's collections of aircraft armament and ordinance, model aircraft, and kites. A Maryland native, Tom is single, 38, and shares a house with one cat in Vienna, Virginia. His other interests include modeling aircraft and military vehicles, baseball, fishing, cycling, and shooting sports. Augie Blume: Augie Blume has researched World War I aviation for many years, focusing on the Russian and Romanian Fronts. He has compiled a 700 page daily chronology of World War I on these fronts on land, sea and in the air. He is the author of articles published in "Cross & Cockade Journal", "Over the Front", "Air Power History" and "Avions". In addition, Augie has three books either published or in progress, "The Imperial Russian Air Fleet 1909-1917", Russia in World War I and "The Romanian Air Force in World War I." Augie's most recent article "Air War East: Bombing and Reconnaissance on the Russian Front 1914-1917" appeared in the Summer, 1996 edition of "Over the Front" Augie served two years as Membership Secretary on the board of directors of the League of World War I Aviation historians. He is retired and lives in Charlottesville, Virginia. Directions to Comfort Inn & Suites: Take Interstate 95 to Capital Beltway. Get off the Beltway at exit 25 (U.S. Route 1/Baltimore Boulevard). Follow the exit ramp and take the exit for College Park (exit 25B). The Comfort Inn and Suites is situated approximately 1.5 miles from the exit across the street from a Pizza Hut. (Incidentally, for those whose tastes run to something fancier than Pizza Hut, the Comfort Inn & Suites is also convenient to the College Park Airport adjacent to which, appropriately enough, is the 94th Aero Squadron Restaurant. This would be an excellent spot for those arriving Friday evening or wishing to remain in the area after the meeting to congregate. The College Park Airport also features an aviation museum.) Date: 07 Mar 97 20:53:34 EST From: "Louis E. Della Torre, Jr" <71505.1421@CompuServe.COM> To: "Carl J. Bobrow" Subject: Mystery Topic Carl: The "Mystery Topic" is a mystery no longer. Augie Blume called me on the evening of Friday, March 7. Assuming there is time to change the meeting notice, I will leave it up to your discretion whether to so do or to leave the "Mystery Topic in place as a teaser. At any rate: Augie Blume will speak on "The Views of Vladislav Tkachev on the Use of the Il'ya Muromets Aircraft in World War I." (And I will not vouch for the correctness of the spellings in that title.) If time permits, Augie will also discuss "Problems Identifying Airfield Locations on the Russian Front." "This business being settled, as Caesar would have said," I mentioned to Augie that I was in the process of reading "VonRichthofen--The Legend Evaluated." That in turn set off (as you would never have guessed) a discussion of MvR and aces generally. Augie expressed the opinion that the most critical World War I air activity was reconnaissance and that therefore the two-seater pilots and observers were the real heroes. I concurred, although as I thought about it later, as the war went on it became increasingly dangerous for reconnaissance to operate without fighter protection. The German Rumpler crews, who relied on crossing the lines at a high enough altitude to avoid interception perhaps constituted an exception to that statement. On the other hand, while you could take photographs from 5,000 or 6,000 meters, you could not adjust artillery fire from such a height. By the way, I spoke to the Comfort Inn & Suites. There will in fact be very little space available for exhibits, especially if the room is set up for 50 people as currently planned. Augie also suggested that if enough people arrive the night before the meeting we could have an informal get-together. As I recall, however, the hotel does not have a bar. We'd have to convene in the looby. Lou ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 22:42:01 -0500 From: bucky@mail.prolog.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Nationals Idea Message-ID: <199703110342.WAA12598@pease1.sr.unh.edu> At 08:55 PM 3/10/97 -0500, mbittner@juno.com wrote: > >The idea is that everybody has a chance to get one, regardless if >they show up at the US IPMS Nationals. If John decides to take >this on, then I do not mind becoming the central "clearing >house", and send them out to the members who do not want to wait >for them; or can't attend. > >However, be aware that this would not be a "freebee". My >intention - if not already said - would be to make something easy >and relatively inexpensive so all of us on the list can *afford* >it. Which was why I'm against the jacket idea. So, unless >someone has a lot of money they're willing to lose, we would buy >our own list "trinket". Now, I hope I haven't driven anybody >away. Nope. Now that I know what it is, when is it. regardless the pin idea is a good one. My vote are for D'annunzio then the ablloon busting Hanriot then the 2 seater dropping letters. All of course with the URL(if for no other reason so that I can learn what a URL is!) Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 23:31:28 -0500 From: Carlos Valdes To: wwi Subject: FYI Message-ID: <3324E020.46B9@conted.gatech.edu> Just got the latest Edward R. Hamilton catalog and, after a quick perusal, came across the following items: Von Richtofen: The Legend Evaluated 730300 $19.56 The Camel Drivers 14360X $31.50 Naval Aviation in the First World War 730114 $25.86 Jane's Battleships of the 20th Century 812013 $21.00 There may be more goodies lurking amd all the type. Shipping is always $3, and the books can be ordered from Edward R. Hamilton Falls Village, CT 06031-5000 This is a good catalog's mailing list to get on. Carlos ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 23:18:57 -0600 From: "huggins@onramp.net" To: wwi Subject: Re: Nationals Idea Message-ID: >On Mon, 10 Mar 1997 15:54:56 -0500 Franco Poloni > writes: > >> I vote for D'annunzio and la Serenissima over Vienna. togheter >> with the url of the list, of course. But anything the group >> choose it's ok for me. Just a question: if somebody decide to >> produce it, how could I get it? you know, Italy is quite far >> from yours Nationals. Maybe some good-harted could send it to >> me??naturally I will pay. I'm really looking forward of going >> to Italian Nationals with that pin or button, I think that lot >> of guys I know will envy me. > >The idea is that everybody has a chance to get one, regardless if >they show up at the US IPMS Nationals. If John decides to take >this on, then I do not mind becoming the central "clearing >house", and send them out to the members who do not want to wait >for them; or can't attend. > >However, be aware that this would not be a "freebee". My >intention - if not already said - would be to make something easy >and relatively inexpensive so all of us on the list can *afford* >it. Which was why I'm against the jacket idea. So, unless >someone has a lot of money they're willing to lose, we would buy >our own list "trinket". Now, I hope I haven't driven anybody >away. I have been playiing around with the photo on the cover of above the lines. I think I can make it work, and put the letters WWI Aero in Red with a Black drop shadow and the e-mail address in black below that. When I get one done, I will attach a copy to a reply so everyone can have a look and see what it will look like. Let me know where I can get access to the other pic's that have been suggested and I will play with them also. The finished badge will be about 2.25 in in diameter. These things are not high quality, but will do for a low cost start. If they are successful, we could look into having a more perminate and higher class badge done. Let me know what you think. Does anyone have a accurate number of how many badges we may need? Do we want to consider additional ones for those who support our madness and put up with the side trips to see an airplane/tank or go to a contest in the middle og the family vacation, or on Mothers Day? Just a thought. John John Disclaimer: Any errors in spelling, tact, or fact are transmission errors. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 00:14:36 -0600 From: "William B. Bacon, Jr." To: "'Multiple recipients of list'" Subject: Nieuport 28 marking Message-ID: <01BC2DB1.3618FD80@NJ095.NETJAVA.NET> Matt, My error, I assumed you were building a SPAD. The Nieu 28 had the = creckerboard parallel to the a/c longitudinal axis. Will enclose that = page too. Looking at the Datafile the checkerboard would lie along the = third rib from the wing center line. The Knight painting on the Datafile = shows it on the underside of the starboard wing. I agree that the = SuperScale USAS roundels are terrible. Your opinion on RFC-RAF = roundels: should the blue be the dark blue we see in the kits or closer = to cobalt blue. SuperScale (Microscale) has done the both ways. Again, = the Spad checkerboard is at 45 degree angle (slanted outboard) and like = the checkerboard on the Nieu 28 rather than as shown on the Spad 13 = Datafile. If anyone knows how to shut off the garbage please let me know and no = sooner said than done. Cheers, Bill Bacon wbacon@netjava.net=20 ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 462 *********************