WWI Digest 461 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Nationals Idea / Silver EIII by mbittner@juno.com 2) Re: Nationals Idea / Silver EIII by mbittner@juno.com 3) Friday, 9 March 1917, Raoenel near St Just by "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" 4) Starting The Library by barrett@iplink.net (barrett) 5) Re: Starting The Library by mbittner@juno.com 6) Re: Nationals Idea by "Valenciano . Jose" 7) Re: scratchbuilding subject by "Valenciano . Jose" 8) Re: Nationals Idea by "Valenciano . Jose" 9) Re: Chandelle vol. 2 # 1 by "Valenciano . Jose" 10) Re: Starting The Library by "Shelley Goodwin" 11) RE: Nationals Idea / Silver EIII by hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) 12) Re: Nationals Idea by Sandy Adam 13) Re: Welcome/Scale Wars by Mick Fauchon 14) Re: Nationals Idea by mbittner@juno.com 15) Re: Nationals Idea / Silver EIII by mbittner@juno.com 16) USAS Questions by mbittner@juno.com 17) USAS Questions, part deux by mbittner@juno.com 18) Re: Welcome/Scale Wars by GRBroman@aol.com 19) RE: Silver EIII by "Paul Schwartzkopf" 20) Re: I'm back by Pedro Soares 21) Re: I'm back by aew (Allan Wright) 22) Sopwith Pup update by Pedro Soares 23) Re: I'm back by hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) 24) RE: USAS Questions by "William B. Bacon, Jr." ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 09 Mar 1997 12:18:53 EST From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Nationals Idea / Silver EIII Message-ID: <19970309.112217.9062.1.mbittner@juno.com> On Sun, 9 Mar 1997 11:34:54 -0500 bucky@postoffice.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael) writes: > 1, What nationals is everyone talking about? The IPMS Nationals, being held in Columbus, OH, this year. > 2, What does nashledanou mean? I have no idea. :-) Matt mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Mar 1997 12:18:53 EST From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Nationals Idea / Silver EIII Message-ID: <19970309.112217.9062.0.mbittner@juno.com> On Sun, 9 Mar 1997 11:29:16 -0500 "huggins@onramp.net" writes: > The jacket is a nice idea, but where and from whom do you get > them made anw what would be the cost. Also, some of us are > going to be there in a business mode and would not be able to > wear a jacket as such, but a pin or badge would be acceptable. Although the jacket *sounds* neat, I really don't think it's feasible. The cost would be too much. > If a suitable image about 1.75 inches in diameter could be > decided on, I could come up with the Badge-a-minute materials > and make some. They could be picked up at my booth in Columbus, > or we can work out some type of mailing system. The badges are > your garden variety that are about 2.25 in in diameter. So far the suggestions have been the Camel .jpg on the web page; somebody shooting down a ballon; and somebody else dropping leaflets. If John is really serious about making these up (which I hope he is) I would vote for the Camel, just due to size, cost, and how quick we can get these things out. Now, I realise that those who don't dabble in RFC (sorry, Steve ;-)) wouldn't like the Camel idea, but it's something. Also, I believe Al suggested (which was a good one) putting the URL underneath the Camel. If it's not the Camel, I still like Al's idea about putting the URL on whatever we come up with. That will direct others attention to *the best* modeling site on the web. Unbiased opinions aside, of course. ;-) Matt mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Mar 1997 15:08:01 -0800 From: "Marian Hollinger, Bradley Omanson" To: wwi Subject: Friday, 9 March 1917, Raoenel near St Just Message-ID: <332342D1.2C65@host.dmsc.net> Fair enough early this morning so went out at 9 with Willis for flight over the lines. Lovell was unable to go with us on account of motor trouble but came out a little later. We were heavily bombarded over the German lines N.E. of Roye, the shells breaking extremely close. I could hear the loud explosions very plainly and did some mighty fast turning to distract the aim. Lost Willis in the heavy mists of 2800 metres. Got caught in a heavy snow flurry so came back after trying to find Willis for some time. Saw lots of French reconnoitering machines but no Boche ones at all. Had to keep below 2200. Back at 10:30. Willis had found Lovell and they came in directly after me. All on alert to go out in early p.m. for attack on lines but heavy snowfall prevented. Got order of service from Captain Thenault for leave to Paris until Monday and came in on 2-26 train with Haviland who is going on a 7 day leave. Train 1 hour and 15 minutes late. Arrived in Paris at 5:45 and came up to Roosevelt. Had dinner there with Mrs Parker. Major away on trip to the Champagne front but expected back tomorrow. Felt jolly well tired so turned in early after writing a letter to my delightful Marraine Miss Mooney. Had a Postal from her to-day, she is still in England having fine times. Seems good to have a room and nice comfortable bed to sleep in again. Will take a good hot water wash before I turn in. Will hunt up Hugh Eastburn tomorrow! I don't believe he's here in Paris. He surely would have written me long ago if he was. He is very probably out with a section at the front around Verdun. from the War Diary of E.C.C. Genet **************************************************** Friday, March 9, 1917 Was fair enough in early a.m. for flying so made a flight over the lines with Willis at 9 o'clock. Lovell was to come with us but couldn't get away in time. He came out later and picked up Willis. We were unable to get above 2800 meters on account of snow clouds and stayed between 2000 and 2600 meters. We went well inside the German lines southeast of Roye and were heavily bombarded by the anti-aircraft batteries around Roye. The shells broke dangerously close many times. I lost Willis in the mist and didn't find him again altho he came back just a minute or so after I did. A heavy snow storm came up so I went back, arriving at 10:30. Saw many French machines (Caudrons and Farmans) but not one Boche one. Time: 1 hour 30 minutes Height 2600 metres ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Mar 1997 16:55:56 -0500 From: barrett@iplink.net (barrett) To: wwi Subject: Starting The Library Message-ID: I posted a question about a month ago asking which books the experienced list members liked in their collections for modeling reference purposes. I have since started up my own modest collection and for the benefit of other "starters" out there, I'd thought I'd share my view on some "finds" I've made at the used book stores. 1) A really usefull little book I found is called "Sampson Low Guides/World Aircraft/Origins-World War 1" published 1977 by Sampson Low. It looks like the original edition was published in Italy in 1975. This is a 320 page hardbound 5" x 7 1/2" book dealing with early aircraft. Fortunately 200 pages are dedicated to WWI types. There are 109 small colour plates illustrating various fighters and bombers, divided by country of origin. Each plane gets a page or two of cursory text, a chart of statistics and some clean line drawings. I've found this book usefull because, for instance, although I've heard list members refering to planes like a "Hansa-Brandenburg," I never knew what one looked like in colour, or what it was used for. Now I do! At $7, this was a good buy. 2) "Aces and Aircraft of World War I." Published 1981 by Blandford Press. This is an "oversized" hardbound, 9 1/2" x 12", 144 pages. It covers 29 pilots of all nationalities with bios, paintings of the pilots, their uniforms, insignia, and nice, large colour plates of their aircraft. A snappy volume, light reading, and colour plates of interesting aircraft like Boelcke's Fokker DIII biplane, Ball's Bristol Scout, Brumowski's Brandenburg DI, and Smirnoff's Morane-Soaulier Type N. The book also covers several Canadians - so that's a bonus, in my view! 3) Osprey Airwar Books. These are soft-cover 7" X 10", 48 pagers with 8 pages of colour aircraft/markings each. The ones I have found are #13, #17 and #18 published in 1978 by Osprey Publishing Ltd. These volumes deal with British and German fighter units 1914-1918. The text strikes my untrained eye as being pretty authoritative, if not terribly in-depth. The colour plates are nice, though none of these books' colour pieces are in the same league as Rimell's Albatros Fabric works. 4) Janes Fighting Aircraft of WWI. This is a "classic," I guess, and I mail-ordered it after reading Al's web page suggestions for books to buy. I'm not sorry I did, since this is an exhaustive work with lots of photos of planes and engines. Too bad there's no colour, but its cool as a reference. This is turning into a pretty interesting hobby. Hope this note helps some of the guys out there. Kevin. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Mar 1997 17:43:49 EST From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Starting The Library Message-ID: <19970309.164637.14294.6.mbittner@juno.com> On Sun, 9 Mar 1997 15:53:07 -0500 barrett@iplink.net (barrett) writes: > I posted a question about a month ago asking which books the > experienced list members liked in their collections for modeling > reference purposes. I have since started up my own modest > collection and for the benefit of other "starters" out there, > I'd thought I'd share my view on some "finds" I've made at the > used book stores. Wow. For a starter's list, you've put down a lot that are hard to find. The only one I know if that is relatively easy to be had from your list is the Jane's book. The rest I think you got lucky on. ;-) I have the Osprey book on German Fighter Units, 1917-1918; if you (or anybody else) can find the other German one (1914-1917?) I am extremely interested. Matt mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 09:18:43 +0800 (GMT+0800) From: "Valenciano . Jose" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Nationals Idea Message-ID: On Thu, 6 Mar 1997, Rob wrote: > > How about a button (pretty cheap to produce) showing a WWI two-seater > > dropping leaflets (like our e-mail)? > > > > Kevin. > > Neeat idea. Wish I could go. Me too but..... How about a pin available to all of us which we can wear to any local model meets? This would give a boost to WWI modelling as a whole. ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 09:59:24 +0800 (GMT+0800) From: "Valenciano . Jose" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: scratchbuilding subject Message-ID: On Thu, 6 Mar 1997, Paul Howard wrote: > I'm trying to locate good drawings and photos of the Vickers FB 12. I > intend to scratchbuild at least one type. Lone Star makes a vac in 1/48. ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 10:03:06 +0800 (GMT+0800) From: "Valenciano . Jose" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Nationals Idea Message-ID: On Fri, 7 Mar 1997, Rob wrote: > To the Most Serene Mailing List: > > > >How about a button (pretty cheap to produce) showing a WWI two-seater > > >dropping leaflets (like our e-mail)? > > I have it! D'Annunzio and La Serenissima over Vienna! I've seen this painting, beautiful. ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 10:05:30 +0800 (GMT+0800) From: "Valenciano . Jose" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Chandelle vol. 2 # 1 Message-ID: On Thu, 6 Mar 1997, Rob wrote: > The long-promised all-WW1 issue of Chandelle is now on-line at Rob, I've seen it. Great stuff! Thank you. As I've said before, I check everyday. Your material gets better and better! ********************************************************************* Joey Valenciano WW1 modeller, teacher, jazz musician, joeyval@pusit.admu.edu.ph sitarist tel. (632) 921-26-75 Metro-Manila, Philippines "The more you know, the more you don't know." ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Mar 97 18:37:13 PST From: "Shelley Goodwin" To: wwi Subject: Re: Starting The Library Message-ID: <9702098579.AA857961620@mx.Ricochet.net> Kevin, Looks like you've found some good books. As the list librarian, I invite you to take advantage of the list's holdings. If you have any specific data requests, just post them and I'll either attempt to answer questions or send copies of whatever relevent references we/I have. Riordan ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Starting The Library Author: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu at Internet Date: 3/9/97 12:50 PM I posted a question about a month ago asking which books the experienced list members liked in their collections for modeling reference purposes. I have since started up my own modest collection and for the benefit of other "starters" out there, I'd thought I'd share my view on some "finds" I've made at the used book stores. 1) A really usefull little book I found is called "Sampson Low Guides/World Aircraft/Origins-World War 1" published 1977 by Sampson Low. It looks like the original edition was published in Italy in 1975. This is a 320 page hardbound 5" x 7 1/2" book dealing with early aircraft. Fortunately 200 pages are dedicated to WWI types. There are 109 small colour plates illustrating various fighters and bombers, divided by country of origin. Each plane gets a page or two of cursory text, a chart of statistics and some clean line drawings. I've found this book usefull because, for instance, although I've heard list members refering to planes like a "Hansa-Brandenburg," I never knew what one looked like in colour, or what it was used for. Now I do! At $7, this was a good buy. 2) "Aces and Aircraft of World War I." Published 1981 by Blandford Press. This is an "oversized" hardbound, 9 1/2" x 12", 144 pages. It covers 29 pilots of all nationalities with bios, paintings of the pilots, their uniforms, insignia, and nice, large colour plates of their aircraft. A snappy volume, light reading, and colour plates of interesting aircraft like Boelcke's Fokker DIII biplane, Ball's Bristol Scout, Brumowski's Brandenburg DI, and Smirnoff's Morane-Soaulier Type N. The book also covers several Canadians - so that's a bonus, in my view! 3) Osprey Airwar Books. These are soft-cover 7" X 10", 48 pagers with 8 pages of colour aircraft/markings each. The ones I have found are #13, #17 and #18 published in 1978 by Osprey Publishing Ltd. These volumes deal with British and German fighter units 1914-1918. The text strikes my untrained eye as being pretty authoritative, if not terribly in-depth. The colour plates are nice, though none of these books' colour pieces are in the same league as Rimell's Albatros Fabric works. 4) Janes Fighting Aircraft of WWI. This is a "classic," I guess, and I mail-ordered it after reading Al's web page suggestions for books to buy. I'm not sorry I did, since this is an exhaustive work with lots of photos of planes and engines. Too bad there's no colour, but its cool as a reference. This is turning into a pretty interesting hobby. Hope this note helps some of the guys out there. Kevin. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Mar 1997 20:41:10 -0700 From: hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) To: wwi Subject: RE: Nationals Idea / Silver EIII Message-ID: Stuart writes: > >Also, I emailed a guy named Ivar Wigar, who was looking for a way to >simulate the silver finish on a Fokker EIII. >The problem is that the 'kit' is a 1/8 scale RC thingy. He posted the >question to RMS. If I remember correctly, Pfalzs >were 'painted' silver by mixing aluminum powder with dope, and applying >liberally. Was I way off the mark, or halfway >close. (I'd hate to be responsible for some poor RC schmuck ruining his >'model', but then again.....) No seriously, I think >he's the exception to the rule. It sounds as if he's going all out to make >the thing look 100% accurate, unlike most other >RC modellers. He was actually following a known subject. I forget which >serial number, but he said he had a nice packet >of reference, but nothing as to the color, other than 'silver'. Errr...I don't know of any Fokker E-IIIs that had an overall silver finish. Most of them, if not all, were just plain doped linen. There are some people that may believe that some Fokker monoplanes in Austro-Hungarian service had a coat of green paint on them. This conclusion is based upon a single swatch of fabric, thought to come from an A-H Fokker E-type, but from an inadequately documented source. The fabric may indeed have been a hoax or fabrication (pardon the pun). I don't know of any surviving authentic Pfalz fabric. There is some surviving French fabric that indeed does have finely divided metalic aluminum powder to give the dope UV protection. Color pigments were added to the aluminum containing dope to give the greens and browns etc seen in French camouflage schemes. As for reproducing this type of finish on a large scale model such as this fellow's R/C model, there are metal powders sold for the purpose of making metalic inks for silk screen printing. Many metal shades are available. Such a product could be added to a clear dope for the model and brushed on and very likely air brushed. I don't have any experience with R/C models so I don't know what the preferred technique would be. On an unrelated point...anyone out there looking for a Contrail 1/72 Zepplin Staaken vac kit ? I think I may have found one in a box. Any idea what one of these is worth ?? Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 09:58:37 +0000 (GMT) From: Sandy Adam To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Nationals Idea Message-ID: On Fri, 7 Mar 1997, Alberto Rada wrote: > These shows are big and it has to be something > eye catching from a distance, so how about a > four color ( upper or lower ) lozegne jacket ?, > come on now really, it isn't at all a bad idea Brilliant idea - but it has to be the upper colours - then we could use lower colours for the prophylactics mentioned before and have a matching historically correct twin set! Bet we'd get in the pictures. Sandy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 21:16:16 +1100 (EST) From: Mick Fauchon To: wwi Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Welcome/Scale Wars Message-ID: > -- > Bosom grabbers, Alberto, bosom. > > If you are into grabbing subatomic particles, you are able to work in a > much smaller scale than 1/72 with no problems. > > And most males would have no problem with describing themselves as, at > least attempted, bosom grabbers. Thank goodness for that: I thought there was something terribly wrong here 80) Bosons, OTOH, should only be grabbed by the throat 80) 80) Cheers, Mick. -- -- Mick Fauchon | Internet: ulmjf@dewey.newcastle.edu.au Reference Section, Auchmuty Library | Ph (intl+61+49) 215861 University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA | Fax (intl+61+49) 215833 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM M M M Tasmanian Devil: "#@%!&^*%%...!#@!&**%^@@#$#-+*+*&##@...!!" M M M M Yosemite Sam : "Cut out that Army talk!..Yer in the Navy now!" M M M MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 06:00:23 EST From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Nationals Idea Message-ID: <19970310.050316.13566.2.mbittner@juno.com> On Sun, 9 Mar 1997 20:16:19 -0500 "Valenciano . Jose" writes: > Me too but..... > How about a pin available to all of us which we can wear to any > local model meets? This would give a boost to WWI modelling as a > whole. That's the idea. We *all* would agree upon an idea, have them made, and everybody on the list who wants one would buy one. Then, whenever one of us attends whatever function (be it an IPMS Nationals, or the latest meeting of the Georgian chapter of The League, or whatever...) then we would wear our "list designator". So come on, people, vote for your favorite idea. Although the jacket is a good idea, I don't think it's economically feasible. I have no idea how many numbers of jackets it takes to reach an affordable price. Matt mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 06:00:23 EST From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Nationals Idea / Silver EIII Message-ID: <19970310.050316.13566.1.mbittner@juno.com> On Sun, 9 Mar 1997 22:37:59 -0500 hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) writes: > Errr...I don't know of any Fokker E-IIIs that had an overall > silver finish. Most of them, if not all, were just plain doped > linen. There are some people that may believe that some Fokker > monoplanes in Austro-Hungarian service had a coat of green paint > on them. This conclusion is based upon a single swatch of > fabric, thought to come from an A-H Fokker E-type, but from an > inadequately documented source. The fabric may indeed have been > a hoax or fabrication (pardon the pun). Don't know if it's green or not - the leading consensus is "yes" - but there are a few photo's of E.III's next to B-types, and the E.III's are definitely *darker* than the B-types. To supply a corralary (sp?) to Charles, there are a few people that think that most E.III's were delivered in this darker - green? - scheme instead of clear doped linen. Until someone can prove it wrong, I'm going to think that this darker scheme *is* green. Also don't forget about the at-least-one example that was flown with clear cellon. > On an unrelated point...anyone out there looking for a Contrail > 1/72 Zepplin Staaken vac kit ? I think I may have found one in > a box. Any idea what one of these is worth ?? If I had the money... Matt mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 07:26:09 EST From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: USAS Questions Message-ID: <19970310.062932.13390.0.mbittner@juno.com> First question: Does anybody know what side of the upper wing the 27th Squadron's checkerboard pattern goes on? Is it perpendicular with the leading edge, or at a 45 degree angle? Second question: Does anybody have Vol 1 No 2 of C&C (US) that they're willing to photocopy for me the article on the 27th Aero? TIA!!! Matt mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 07:45:42 EST From: mbittner@juno.com To: wwi Subject: USAS Questions, part deux Message-ID: <19970310.064824.11166.0.mbittner@juno.com> Some additional parts of the first question: what rib(s) does the checkboard lie on? If it's 45 degrees, what rib does it start on, and which does it end on? TIA, Again. Matt mbittner@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 08:33:11 -0500 (EST) From: GRBroman@aol.com To: wwi Subject: Re: Welcome/Scale Wars Message-ID: <970310083311_140572637@emout09.mail.aol.com> In a message dated 97-03-10 05:16:39 EST, you write: << Bosons, OTOH, should only be grabbed by the throat 80) >> *However*, many Bosuns grab back!! Well, on the subject of Naval things, at our club meeting on Saturday, one of the members brought a Schiffer book in, Battleship and Cruiser Aircraft, USN 1910-49. Very nice book. In it were photos and color info for a Nieu 28, SE.5 and Hanriot HD.1, among others. The Nieu 28 was silver doped with a chrome yellow upper wing with USS Arizona in large letters on the side. The SE.5 was not launched from the BB's but was transported to a Cuba shore station. Looked like a very weathered a/c. This sort of ties in with a thread a month or more ago. That Glencoe Nieu 28, I believe, just moved forward a bit in the building pile ;). Glen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 08:04:20 +0000 From: "Paul Schwartzkopf" To: wwi Subject: RE: Silver EIII Message-ID: <199703101409.IAA15250@tscrypt1.transcrypt.com> > Date: Sun, 9 Mar 1997 22:37:59 -0500 > Reply-to: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu > From: hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: RE: Nationals Idea / Silver EIII >Charles writes: > As for reproducing this type of finish on a large scale model such as > this fellow's R/C model, there are metal powders sold for the purpose of > making metalic inks for silk screen printing. Many metal shades are > available. Such a product could be added to a clear dope for the model and > brushed on and very likely air brushed. I don't have any experience with > R/C models so I don't know what the preferred technique would be. > Years ago, I worked as a professional antique restorer. At times, this involved using bronze powders (finely ground metal) to use to restore picture frames. Although they are usually gold colors, aluminum was also available. I purchased a tin of aluminum powder to experiment with making natural metal aircraft finishes. Quite frankly, I have never been able to duplicate a metal finish. The custom paint looks very similar to commercial flat aluminum paint, such as Testor's Model Master. Assuming this is the desired appearence, it would be cheaper and more time efficient to just purchase the paint, instead of mixing it up yourself, Paul Schwartzkopf Nothing is impossible for the man who doesn't have to do it himself. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 14:43:07 +0000 From: Pedro Soares To: wwi Subject: Re: I'm back Message-ID: <33241DFB.4710@anaep.pt> Allan Wright wrote: > > > Get double prints - I'll scan them in for the WWW page. > > -Al > Al, I've got the pictures now and am happy to say that I'm pleased with the results, considering they were not taken with that much time at hand and had to resort to flash. here's what I propose to do: I'll send you the negatives by snail mail (if of course you'll promise to send them back again :-)) so that you can have some prints made for yourself and, if you think they are of interest and can be "published" on the WW1 modeling page, please do it. I'll be more than happy to contribute to such an excellent site. Please let me know what you think. > > I'll report more on this visit as soon as I find some spare time. > > We'd love to hear more! > Ok, just a brief note now that's cheow time around here and I can take a break from writting the damned report of the meeting: The Mus馥 de L'Air e de l'Espace is located at the site of the oldest airport in France: Le Bourget, the place where Lindbergh touch down on his solo flight across the pond, about 1/2 an hour by train from center Paris. There are 9 main exhebition halls (if I recall correctly) with the following distribution: A and B - Unfortunately were closed at the time of my visit but I suspect they house WW2 era french aircraft. C and D - Jets from the early 50's until the F-100. here you can see all those strange contraptions the french developed before entering their highly successful mirage era. French Helicopters. E and F. Civil aircraft with a penchant towards those be-au-ti-full types produced in between the wars like the Caudron Simoun (the one that heller has just re-issued) and Morane Saulinier types. The Concorde Hall Concorde 001 perfectly restored to all its glory and some WW2 aircraft: Spit Mk 16, P-51, P-47, Polikarpoov I-153, a Boeing PT-19 Stearman in blue and yellow livery, a Volksjagger and a Mirage IV that actually dropped a nuke as part of the infamous french testing programme in Polinesia. The Space hall Didn't go there, had no time And last but not the least: The early aviation and WW1 hall. Guys this one would really blow the top out of your heads. At least it did to me: almost all of the aircraft represented were the real stuff, not replicas, and you can see, in perfect conditions, types such as: Deperdussin B Deperdussin Monocoque Morane T1 Farman HF7 Farman HF 20 Nieuport XI Vosin LAS SPAD VII - the personal aircraft of Guynemer SPAD XIII Fokker DVII Junkers DRI DH9 Breguet 14 Pflaz D XII (?) Sopwith IA2 apart from some other earlier types all restored in perfect, and I mean perfect, conditions. There is also one hall dedicated to the golden age of balooning and on the Tarmac outside there are also somemodern aircraft, some of them being in need of a couple of coats of paint: F-105, fouga zephyr, T-33, Camberra, Caravelle, B-707, F-104 and a some more which I can't recall now. So if ever you go to Paris, Take a day off to go to the museum. I'm sure you won't regret it. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 10:02:44 -0500 (EST) From: aew (Allan Wright) To: wwi Subject: Re: I'm back Message-ID: <199703101502.KAA09998@pease1.sr.unh.edu> > here's what I propose to do: I'll send you the negatives by snail mail > (if of course you'll promise to send them back again :-)) so that you > can have some prints made for yourself and, if you think they are of > interest and can be "published" on the WW1 modeling page, please do it. > I'll be more than happy to contribute to such an excellent site. That would be fine, but I could also scan your prints and return them thus preventing you from having to send the negatives. You can ask the other members of the list. I DO return prints after they're scanned. I usually get things scanned relatively quickly unless work interferes. > And last but not the least: The early aviation and WW1 hall. > > Guys this one would really blow the top out of your heads. At least it > did to me: almost all of the aircraft represented were the real stuff, > not replicas, and you can see, in perfect conditions, types such as: > > Deperdussin B > Deperdussin Monocoque > Morane T1 > Farman HF7 > Farman HF 20 > Nieuport XI > Vosin LAS > SPAD VII - the personal aircraft of Guynemer > SPAD XIII > Fokker DVII > Junkers DRI > DH9 > Breguet 14 > Pflaz D XII (?) > Sopwith IA2 Wow! What a list! -Al =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | You fell victim to one of the 'classic' blunders! University of New Hampshire+--------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://pease1.sr.unh.edu =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 15:04:13 +0000 From: Pedro Soares To: wwi Subject: Sopwith Pup update Message-ID: <332422ED.630D@anaep.pt> Guys, You must all have been thinking that my humble Pup had already flown into the "recicling bin", right? You're all wrong. I've just finished painting it and I'm at present at the decals stage, after which it'll be putting the wings together and rigging. Probably more 15 days of hard work. BTW, gave up the wood struts idea. Once cut to size the wood was to flexible to withstand the upper wing, so I reverted to the kit's struts after cutting the piece of plastic the held them in pairs, glued them one at the time, made very small locating holes on the upper wing to accept the struts and I guess that the hardest part is done. I dry fitted the wings and it looked ok, so I guess that I won't be having problems with this. Next update, after finishing the model. Thanks to your support Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 09:09:38 -0700 From: hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart) To: wwi Subject: Re: I'm back Message-ID: >> here's what I propose to do: I'll send you the negatives by snail mail >> (if of course you'll promise to send them back again :-)) so that you >> can have some prints made for yourself and, if you think they are of >> interest and can be "published" on the WW1 modeling page, please do it. >> I'll be more than happy to contribute to such an excellent site. Allan wrote: >That would be fine, but I could also scan your prints and return them thus >preventing you from having to send the negatives. You can ask the other >members of the list. I DO return prints after they're scanned. I usually >get things scanned relatively quickly unless work interferes. > I'll vouch for you here Allan. You did a nice job with the scans of my photos for the Web page and the prints came back in excellent shape. I'm glad that you have sequestered enough disk space on your server to keep all of these images out there. Keep up the excellent work. Charles hartc@spot.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 10:08:23 -0600 From: "William B. Bacon, Jr." To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: USAS Questions Message-ID: <01BC2D3B.10BA5AA0@NJ061.NETJAVA.NET> ------ =_NextPart_000_01BC2D3B.10C38260 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Matt, Have the info you want on the 27th and will copy for you in next couple = of days. Will look up location of checkerboard and post it later today. = Glad I could help. Cheers, Bill Bill Bacon wbacon@netjava.net ---------- From: mbittner@juno.com Sent: Monday, March 10, 1997 6:30 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: USAS Questions First question: Does anybody know what side of the upper wing the 27th Squadron's checkerboard pattern goes on? Is it perpendicular with the leading edge, or at a 45 degree angle? Second question: Does anybody have Vol 1 No 2 of C&C (US) that they're willing to photocopy for me the article on the 27th Aero? TIA!!! 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